Sega needs to release a dedicated collection for all the various arcade games that have never gotten home ports. Lord knows they have quite the back portfoilo to do it.
Multiple collections for all the different arcade boards would be the best solution I'd say. Maybe we'd eventually get a port of Revenge of Death Adder. Somebody would need to remind Sega it actually exists first though.
I want a home port of Scud Race so bad, as well as a proper port of Sega Rally 2. Hell, strike a deal with Disney so we can get the arcade Star Wars Trilogy and Pod Racer home.
@@karnovrpg me too!!!!!!! So many great games needed to port at least for game preservation. I never got a chance to play anything except Star Wars and VF3.
Absolutely agree with this! New Sega Ages collection! I'd love the chance to play Planet Harriers and Dynamite Cop 3! To be fair they need to re-release stuff that already has a home port too! I mean Virtua Fighter 1 has never had an "Arcade perfect" home release and it's still very wrong on mame! It did have a version on their Astrocity Arcade mini but it's not the same...
"To put it in perspective, would be like designing a game that only runs on RTX 4090". Perfect analogy, John. This was truly what made arcades special in the 90s. Purpose built hardware. It's why so many home consoles at the time were trying to claim "arcade graphics" in their advertising. It was the gold standard in terms of visuals at the time.
John, when you make a video you really BELIEVE IN, nobody else even comes close to the content you create, period. When you started your deep dive into model 3 vs everything else I felt like I was getting taken back in time to the full glory of my teenage years. All the wonder and excitement flowed through me exactly as it did back in the day when I was first introduced to all these games. Truly, THANK YOU.
It's obvious he loves most the RETRO part of his job. Listening to him reminds me of a tour guide in the Wieliczka salt mines in Poland, he was history student and truly loved his job.
John is a real one. A true arcade racing fanboy, like myself. If you were on neogaf back in the day and looked at his posts, you'd know he's been super passionate about arcade racing games for years, as have I, and a handful of others. We're a niche group, but our love and passion for 90's arcade racers from Sega and Namco knows no bounds.
I still remember vividly when Virtua Fighter 3 hit arcades. It literally felt like I was looking at something that had just time traveled from the future. Even after that I still wasn't ready for when I saw Daytona 2 in action for the first time. It was insane.
I'd like to play a Daytona USA Collection, even if it would be released under the name Sega Racing Classic. Just include the original game, Championship Circuit Edition, the base and updated version of 2 and 2001 in the package, good online multiplayer and fun extras and it would be perfect for me
Yes absolutely,and Daytona would need battle on the edge and power edition either separately or in the same game with the option to choose all the multiplayer cars!
Just wanna say how much I appreciate the passion, dedication and attention to detail you put into these, John. These games really deserve it, but almost no one else would put this kind of work in. It's actually inspiring.
The way the rear tires smoke up in Daytona USA 2 is still visually impactful all these years later. Sure we have advanced particle effects today but give a prize to the AM2 visual artist who designed it back then!
That would suggest that this is a little more than emulation. Are you sure what you're describing isn't a supermodel problem? Does what you describe happen on the real PCB?
The draw distance/pop-in occurs on the real Model 3 as well, it's just less noticeable because of the lower resolution. Funnily enough I updated Supermodel not too long ago to make the draw distance/pop-in match the real Model 3; older versions actually looked better than the real thing. I should probably add an option to allow users to choose whether they want draw distances to be enhanced or to match the original arcade version.
Come on Sega just give us the Sega Model Collection, various games from the 90s -00 model boards. Across all consoles and PC , that's what we really want
Fun fact: Sega worked with Lockheed Martin to produce their 90's arcade games, and I believe they co-developed Model 3. I vividly remember seeing Virtua fighter 3 the first time in an arcade in 1998. It was mind blowing. I thought maybe it was like Killer instinct, as in the backgrounds or characters were FMV. Nothing else I'd seen looked like that, even 2 years later. It's a crime Sega seems to ignore releasing more of their arcade games officially. They do throw us a bone once in a while, but it's not enough. But I guess you can say that about most arcade only games.
It can't be overstated how incredible VF2 looked when it first came out and what it was like to be a gamer in those days. We went from the original Double Dragon to VF2 in 7 years.
It has to be said though, that Double Dragon had very basic graphics compared to some of the other stuff available at the time. For example Afterburner, Power Drift, Space Harrier, etc.
Great video, John. One nitpick: front/rear speaker balance is adjustable in Supermodel using `-balance` or `Balance` in the config file (-100 to 100). The Model 3 has two SCSPs for generating sound, each producing different stereo outputs. In Daytona 2, one of the SCSPs drives the front speakers and the other the rear speakers. We mix these equally in Supermodel, which appears to drown out the rear speaker audio. But you can weight it more heavily toward the rear speakers to fix the problem.
I've read several comments on RU-vid, saying that (most of, minus the intro theme) the Mitsuyoshi songs are apparently still there, and you enable them by holding start at the "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines" screen.
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth is suppose to add Spikeout and Virtua Fighter 3, so that's more Model 3 titles that will make for a home console (vanilla VF3 was never ported). And if they ever announced a Model 3 collection, or even a Model 1-3 collection with System 16 and 32 games, that would be an instant purchase.
This makes me so happy that that the Model 3 version of VF3 will finally have an official port, no more having to make do with the subpar Dreamcast port. VF3 on M3 still looks stunning to this day.
Man, Model 3 surely is my favorite leap in gaming technology. Having the PS1, Saturn and the Fog64 at home, entering a game center with Virtua Fighter 3 and Scud Race really felt like entering the future. Because of the Model 3, I never was as hyped for a new console release than I was for the Dreamcast. Now if only they could release Scud Race (which stays for me as the best racing game ever made). Oh yeah and Le Mans 24 which many seems to forget.
Le Mans 24 was amazing. I played the hell out of that game.
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Minor tip: in Daytona USA 1 arcade, you can make the developer credits show up by pressing start during the end sequence. (Daytona 3 does this by default during the credits)
One of my favourite games of all time... I started contributing towards Supermodel partly because I wanted to get Daytona USA 2 running as closely to the arcade original as possible. One of my proudest achievements was improving the network emulation so that you could connect up to 16 players over a LAN (which you can't do in the Like a Dragon version).
Supermodel is alot better than what it is in like a dragon,the emulation seems somewhat more acurate,and little things like the roar of passing the CPU cars is not really present in like a dragon
Amen! TBH I really wish he covered fewer modern games and shifted his focus to mainly retro content. The technology driving the early days of 3D gaming is so much more utterly fascinating than today's graphics tech.
Definite props to Hitoshi Iizawa, plus the help from his buddy Ryutaro Hayakawa from way back in the CRI days, for their work on this port. It's been exciting to hear mentions of this "passion project from a single programmer who worked on the AM2 ports to Xbox 360/PS3 around 2010". I suppose the hope is that he keeps working on Like a Dragon ports as he has been since Yakuza 6: The Song of Life. EDIT: I've just been informed Iizawa was a programmer again on Virtua Fighter 3tb Online, and Hayakawa was one of the system programmers.
Was waiting for a video on daytona usa 2/model 3. the love I have for daytona usa 2 is huge and even playing it now is mind blowing sega knocked it out of the park with the model 3.
Awesome video! Daytona 2 and the Model3 board was so far ahead of its time. The games still look great today. I’d love to have a collection of these on home consoles today. I built my own racing cab for mainly arcade racing games like this. A version of these games that could emulate linked cabinets for online play would be great. If Sega and Namco could just release some of these classics, it would be awesome! Thanks again for taking the time to put together this video!
Never liked a video this fast. I love this era of gaming too, I got to see Scud Race back then and was blown away. I hope they'll port it too, and if they make a simple compilation of the games and throw it on Steam I would instantly buy them
I wrote the rendering engine for the supermodel emulator. Ask anything :) The reason that the like a dragon gaiden emulation is too bright is because the lighting is clamped. In daytona they used an unclamped model which on the back faces will actually subtract from the ambient lighting. Since supermodel is open source .. I do wonder how much 'inspiration' they took when writing their own emulator. In supermodel if you create a custom 57.5hz resolution, supermodel will use this and work at the correct original frame rate, judder free. You don't even need a special screen to do this, it works on my nothing special 1080p asus display.
I m 40 year old . When i was a young man the model 3 makes me dreaming. When i used your emulator for the first Time for playing Daytona 2 i had tears . It was a child gamer dream come to reality. Daytona 2 in my home.. just i Say before not enough word for saying thx you!!!!!!❤❤❤❤
Amazing video! Hope one day we get a Daytona USA collection. Including the remaster version of Daytona 1, a similar version of 2 and a home console version of championship
Digital Foundry - SEGA's Ryuga Gotaku team announced that Virtua FIghter 3tb will be included in the 8th Ryuga Gotaku/Yakuza game. Also, they are contemplating on releasing a Model 3 Arcade compilation but in order to receive it, we'll need to make *A LOT OF NOISE* for them to recognise that there is a demand for it in the west. The louder the noise for all model 3 games with ROLLBACK NETCODE, full multiplayer online, Crossplay, all model 3 games with ranking modes and so on, the higher the chance we'll get it. No noise, no get.
How do we make this noise though? Do they not see these videos? Are they not aware of Supermodel or how good it is now? What do they fucking want from us?! After all these years of people making content about how Sega need to port/rerelease/remaster/RESPECT the quality titles that not only made "Sega" such an exciting and innovative brand, but are also *literally keeping these titles and (to a certain extent) the name Sega alive*, Sega continue to piss around with the stuff that their longstanding fans actually want. Unless they start properly updating these IP's, there's only so long that these titles will be valid for. Nintendo generally respectfully curate their stuff as time goes by...but by mostly focussing on Sonic, etc and ignoring their legendary 3D arcade titles, Sega are heading into Atari territory. Daytona 2 is without a doubt one of the greatest arcade racers ever made, but I'm not fucking buying an unrelated full price game because there's an *emulated, offline, 4:3, inferior version with fewer options and concessions to modern sensibilities of a game that i can play 4P splitscreen on my mid-range PC* that's available as as a fucking minigame plonked within it. All in the hope that they'll maybe, possibly, release something that i can actually give them some money for..? They've not even released VF5:US on PC *or even PS5! - it's PS4 back-compat!* Or the 360/PS3 version of Daytona 1/SRC on PC! Or Switch Virtua Racing on...anything else! Or not farm out Daytona Championship to a team that, for whatever reason, could only reverse engineer Sega Racing Classic and release it with nice graphics but no 4-way shifter! Or...Or..! Sorry for the rant EAprima, this isn't really aimed at you and i love that John/DF have made this video, but Sega need to get a goddamn grip with this shit. My entire life i've watched them fart out wanky arcade conversions or make bizarre and disappointing release decisions - but making *the first and only home port of DAYTONA USA FUCKING 2, something i've been waiting more than 20 years for, a game-within-a-game* has finally tipped me over the (battle on the) edge. Dickheads. (Not you EAprima, sorry😢 )
@@TK1s_Big_LoveWELL SAID! Don't worry, I know you are not ranting at me and, trust me wholeheartedly when I say this, but everything you said... everything, I screamed it all at SEGA directly nearly 20 years ago! Yes. I shouted and screamed at SEGA's management. Quite simply, SEGA doesn't want to make easy money. So don't worry, I felt and understood every malice sentence you typed, and I whole heartedly agree with you. Unfortunately, many of the people at SEGA are new and, once again, don't see beyond their office window and from their locale spaces. They only know Japan and Japan alone... They think they know the west but they don't know squat, and tons of them don't take the right initiative to learn the west properly so they can prevent themselves from making low-hanging fruit executions that resulted in botch and/weak conversations. Oh yes. That supermodel version. Sorry, that version is DEFINITELY better than Sega's effort. Nothing beats playing Daytona USA 2 at 4K, wide screen, everything glossed up using the very latest supermodel emulate and with NETWORK PLAY OF UP TO 16 PLAYERS!!! OH yes, SHAME ON SEGA FOR NOT REACHING OUT TO THE SUPERMODEL TEAM. I know the guy that created the emu and he said he would have been DELIGHTED to help Sega get the code up and running so it can be used for anything they want. All the Supermodel team wanted more than anything was to have the Model 3 board games running perfectly on anything and everything, and they much rather have SEGA release the games than for people to go the high seas. Unfortunately, SEGA didn't do that. If they did do it, we could have had Sega Rally 2, Scud Race and Daytona 2 around 5 years ago because those three games especially were the closest to perfection.
What a treat of a video on a cool Saturday morning!! Thanks John! I guess it's time to buy Like a Dragon. AND...COME ON SEGA...bring us ALL your old back catalog!
Great video! Can't wait for the Virtua Fighter 3tb and Spikeout comparisons when Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth comes out. Keep up the good work John, you are a legend.
Excellent video John, thank you so much for your hard work. I miss SEGA and it's magic, still can't get over that they had to abandon hardware manufacturing. It is fantastic that Daytona USA 2 can finally be experienced at home on a console. My PS5 is gonna be happy.
I've been waiting so long for a proper Daytona USA 2 it seemed like it would never happen. I really hope Sega release a proper Model 2/3 collection, as 24 hrs is one of my favourites. I was always playing that in Sega world. Daytona 2 and 24hr were some of the few games I could play and win 1st in the arcades. Great memories!
I'd love a df retro feature on the history of Virtua Fighter and its various home conversions. The Saturn port of VF2 and the ps2 adaptation of VF4 have always interested me given the vast difference in (complex) hardware compared to their arcade counterparts
So these games are all inside this new Like a Dragon game? If Sega can include here, then surely a standalone release is also doable - seems like a no brainer to do a separate compilation of these emulated titles!
Thanks for this! My neurodivergence always makes me itch when I try to imagine what we missed in North America or home ports. Episodes like this one make me feel like the skies will always be blue ❤
I bet they would but the cost and convenience of arcade machines isn't very accessible. Also, Arcade emulation is good but it's also much less approachable to people from a setup standpoint.
as someone who still enjoys Daytona USA on Dreamcast and Series X (via 360 backward compatibility), and loved the Virtua Racing, Daytona & Sega Rally arcade cabinets as a kid, Daytona 2 & more Sega arcade classics coming to modern systems will always be welcome!
I hope they create a perfect emulated version of Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2. That game had the same chasis rattle when the car is traveling fast. Great Dreamcast game. Whatever happened to Genki?
Man I bought a Saturn for Daytona and virtua fighter 2 back in the day, but I've never even played Daytona 2. Such a shame things couldn't have went better for sega. I saw scud race in the arcade a bunch of times, and that blew me away.
You know, if Sega launched "Sega Racing Classic 2" as a standalone game for consoles or PC (And re-release the previous Sega Racing Classic 1 that was delisted some months ago) I'd buy the HECK out of it.
Not only did the game have a mind blowing graphics for the time, remember the machines also had strong force feedback which really contributed to the experience.
Love this… I was absolutely on fire in this era.. I remember being so impressed with model 3 in the arcades. Golden era truly. Arcade era for sure. I also remember going to a trade show in London on the topic of CG, Alias Wavefront were there, and in their tech demo reel… VF3…. well exciting!
Good timing! I'm in Tokyo right now, and I actually found a Daytona 2 sit down cab in one of the Gigo buildings. I was in heaven, because they also had sit-down versions of Outrun 1 + 2, and loads of other Sega classics.
John's videos are amazing. I hope he keeps doing this stuff for a very long time. Having all this info so well documented is priceless and a fundamental part of preserving the legacy of these games.
I'm just in awe. What a passion project. Thank you to the programmer and his/her colleagues that made the Like a Dragon version possible. Does my heart good to see the classics shown such respect and love. Bravo, Sega Entertainment. Bravo.
Fantastic episode, John! You perfectly captured what made Model 3 games so special at the time. Sega is straight up leaving money on the table by not creating a 'Model 3 Collection' for PC and consoles. It's one of the few eras of retro gaming that is still marooned in the past.
There's something about Sega's arcade style graphics I've always loved. The grand sense of scale. You can see it in the Sega developed F-Zero GX on the GameCube.
John, I'm so glad you made this video. I share your enthusiasm for both Daytona and this period of arcade technology. This video answers so many of the questions I had around the emulation in Like a Dragon. Just hope this is a precursor to some standalone releases or collections of Model 3 games.
I wish we'd see an arcade revival with arcade boards using dual 4090s or the equivalent offering graphics and experiences that few people could experience at home. I know that "Raw Thrills" still releases new arcade games on PC-based boards, but they typically use older commodity PC hardware.
Them satisfying jiggle and vibration animations that accentuate gravity, air, and speed. Never understood why more games, even today, don't do better on this
it' a Great idea John ,It would be fantastic a stand alone collection likes sega ages and full compatibility with actual steering wheels, with option to upscale to native 4k 16/9 and other feature likes scanlines...never stop dreaming! As always superb work of passion John!!!
Pretty cool to see another Daytona vid. Daytona usa 2 is very fun and more people should play it but of course with a racing wheel and pedals and in manual.
The sound stuff you mentioned are either done by 'QSound' or a 4ch first generation Dolby Surround technology, by using metadata to the stereo track (like a pre-pre Pro Logic, in which there are libraries for to this day, from Dolby too..) I can look that up for you.. Oh and having the equipment/software like Wwise (requires license), to adjust the volume of the mentioned pit crew would be very doable, as would separating the metadata creating the 4 channels youre hearing, but they are not discrete as processing that into something like Dolby digital or dts, would require substantial amount of time or power from the sound block. They could probably done it though, just look at Saturn's audio capabilites, in 1994, thats very impressive stuff. .
THE Model 3 video I was waiting for, fantastic work.... P.S. I'm STILL waiting for Sega Saturn DRIVERS MEGAMIX with Daytona Usa and Sega Rally cars/tracks......
I don’t remember the actual cost because I played it at Gameworks in Vegas. I remember mom gave me 20 bucks to load up the card and it was wiped out before I knew it.
I really hope these games get a stand alone release or a Model 3 collection - having to locate them in Like a Dragon is a bit too clunky to play them on a whim.
The 57 FPS at the intro is to ensure that the intro doesn't desync with the music, which is the case for Supermodel as it runs the intro at 60 FPS, which is why the intro finishes before the music.
Yes we want a collection of classic sega racing games in maybe one package,the demand for these golden age games is still out there,that was the time when arcade games really started to draw you in and actually feel like you were racing for real and was like nothing that we could get on our home computers or consoles....great times
