Diablo Meets Vampire Survivors!! | Let's Try: Soulstone Survivors 

I love that Devs actually listen to feedback

@@MrGatiepie amen to that

Yeah. I noticed the green crystals were the only heals. Good luck on the game! Looks like it needs more work, but fun!

Followed and wishlisted, will be waiting for the release!

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but I found a glitch with the auto-leveling system where if you die as the level up menu comes up you get softlocked and can only do anything by closing and reopening the game

Hey Fat Cheese Man! Thanks for trying both games out =) Hopefully you will like whats coming!

Yea!

That would just not be possible. As one player the screen already gets crazy overfilled with your skills. A lot of people crashing bc of it.

@@seanfarrand9167 Yeah,you're quite possibly right. My suggestion was pretty premature as I was only into the demo for an hour or so. After experiencing the cdr bug and the game went full blown stutter land, it wouldn't be impossible to imagine the same thing happening with multiple players on screen creating the same situation. Reaaaallly hoping otherwise though, 2 players at most perhaps?

that would be awesome for sure =) we have ideas for a few modes though in all honesty we probably will add most of them post release, we are so keen on getting the weapons and characters and skills and affixes that I don't know we will have time to balance those well, but ah be sure we have loads of ideas =)

Lol same thing happened to me and I got a lot of cool down reduction. I couldn't see anything on the screen and died. Aoe everywhere

I feel like one of the only things the game needs is an option to turn down particle effects, cause shit can get kinda wild

@@zilchnebula5367 hahaha yeah, I apologise, but its coming =)

Probably CPU overheating. Might be time for a new heat sink, or just new thermal paste. DL a heat monitor program and see how bad its getting.

@@seanfarrand9167 My issue was fixed in patch v0.5.018b: "- Fixed an issue with Double Casts that could cause you to cast hundreds of the same skill simultaneously, causing major slowdowns and crashes;" Still probably not a good thing that my entire PC shut down due to that issue. Will consider the heat monitor!

The good news is levels finish after you kill 5 bosses, and the stronger you are, the faster they show up. Mixed with full release having an optional scaling difficulty, it seems run length will be something you have fairly decent control over.

@@Retromation that's the goal =) we are seeing some folks complete runs at the 10 minute mark now which is a bit nuts haha, but we wanted to be sure it was "speedrunnable", and with affixes give you control of the challenge

Yeah thats the sort of thing we are after. We also understand that in roguelites there is this tendency that the game starts hard, gets artificially easy by upgrades, and then its just boring forever because you have every upgrade there is, but we are "borrowing" haha the "heat" mechanics from Hades as well in the full version, where once you are good and comfortable with the game, have the upgrades, the weapons... and think you are ready for a bigger challenge, you can turn on affixes to make everything harder and get new unique loot and soulstones to craft the top tier weapons and get the last remaining runes. In other words, the idea is once the game starts getting easy, you can make it hard again and get something for it!

@@gamesmithing That seems like a good direction. I think also just adding a bit of variety is a good thing as well like… it appears from Retro’s video that unlocking a stronger weapon for a character also gives them a new starting ability, is that right? In that case, it’s something even more than just a flat numbers upgrade which I think immediately makes it more interesting than other games. One thing I would potentially caution on is having the most efficient path to upgrading a character come from playing a different character. Say you’ve spent time upgrading one character’s weapon. It would kinda suck if you unlock a new character but feel like you should keep grinding materials on the previous character in order to get more materials for the new character. If each character has their own unique unlocks, I *think* it makes sense to have some kind of character specific resource that is required to progress them. And then you have the generic upgrade paths on top of that as well. Just food for thought! This game seems interesting and I’d love to give any feedback I can in order to prevent it from landing into the pitfalls that other games have.

@@m0002856 Yeah thats correct, the weapons give you different starting skills and a couple unique power ups that will only appear if you have that weapon. I won't be naive and say that our balance will ever be 100% perfect haha, but the intention with the different weapons is more to offer you a different flavour of that character, than make it more powerful, so in theory, you should be able to be as successful with weapon 1 as with any other weapon. The Archer weapons for example, the first one has long range, high focused damage, the second one is sort of a "shotgun" like, big spread, high damage up close, unreliable damage from far... but you get some more health since you need to take more risks... so its a matter of what you really prefer playing as. So yeah, if you want different weapons for character B, and you already have all for character A, you should still be able to use B's first weapon to farm, as they should be relatively equal in power. But yeah we hadn't really thought about the character specific resource and that actually does sound pretty cool! I think you should be able to farm with other characters, but maybe for the last weapon of the character you kind of have to get something that only this character can get... I like the idea!

@@gamesmithing Hey that works as well! I just know from past experiences there have been situations where character A is either: stronger than character B or character a’s progress doesn’t carry over to character b and so character a ends up being stronger because you played him first. And when you’ve got a game that relies on farming, you could end up in a situation where realistically you’ll gather more resources per hour by playing the stronger character. That’s fine when it comes to generic stuff (in my opinion), but part of me enjoys the way Slay the Spire does its upgrades where you’re required to play with the specific character whose stuff you want to unlock. I think it specifically makes that achievement feel a little bit more special. Like you can’t just farm Character A and progress through all of Character B’s stuff. This could be as simple as your idea where only the last weapon requires something specific. It could even be as easy as like.. the generic materials stay the same, but each weapon requires one specific material that can only be obtained by killing the corresponding boss tier? Like the first boss you encounter as the character drops the item you need combined with the normal generic resources to get the first bonus weapon. If you want to unlock the second weapon, you’d need to kill the second boss with that character. But that also all depends on your vision of the game so I’ll let you guys figure that out! BUT I will say I actually played a TON of the demo. Spent the last 3-4 hours playing it. Finished map 1, 2, and 3 with the archer character and tried out the second weapon so I totally see what you mean with them not necessarily being direct upgrades. I’d love to provide more focused feedback now that I’ve actually played the demo myself. Is that something I could do via the discord server?

you don't even meta progression to win. All you need is lightning skills that stack critical rate to 100%, cooldown reducation and bloodlust+might skill. you can do like 10 million damage with that. meta progression practically breaks the game so hard. Easiest character to win with is hunter because his base skill has fragility. The mage with meta progression staff scales hardest, but he's worst character at base-kit and even he can win without meta progression. Warrior is ok, you need get slash+uppercut+thunder cut skill.

Yeah I apologise for the issues =( edit: both of those issues are now fixed, I hope that makes the game smoother for you!

@@gamesmithing wow that was fast 👍🏻 impressed for the fast reaction

@@saetto9753 Hope that helped! =)

It really depends on the build =) the folks are now at the 10 minute mark to finish the game (which blows my mind by the way haha)

We are still figuring the right date! Its likely going to be Q4, maybe end of October, November... but don't quote me on that =P

@@gamesmithing Awesome! I'm having a blast with the demo so far, the physics are a very fun part!!

Hey belal! It's not going to be free to play, but will be on the cheap end for sure!

There is a free demo out now pretty damn fun

@@gamesmithing thanks for the feed back, love when devs get involved with the community. I got another quick question for you, I've been playing the demo and its a blast, by any chance will my progress from the demo transfer over to the full game when it eventually comes out?

@@belalyoussef7141 Hey, yes, it will transfer =)

hahah glad it caught your interest man! Let us know what you think if you try it out!

@@stoneycooper9758 i down loaded both demos never could get rogue to run

Oh shit, that's rough. I bet there are lots of less than happy people with thousands sunk into steam. Is it accessible through a VPN?

different game by the same dev

@@Retromation ahhh i see

Yet Vampire Survivors is pretty much the only one with controller support, so that's my main rn 20 Minutes to Dawn *looks* cool but I can't play it on controller so whatever I guess.

what do you think

I enjoy Path of Exile, but the gatekeeping nature of your comment aside, this game _is_ a casual game so by your logic you are either telling me Path of Exile is a casual game... or I am right to say it is like Diablo.

its not that deep

so like... we're just gonna ignore how Diablo pioneered the systems games like Path of Exile and even Borderlands uses?

@@arifhossain9751 the only thing diablo introduced is the top down action rpg genre that's it

@@Retromation i went a little bit crazy with my comment i agree, i apologies

I could not be _more_ with you lol. At this point I am trying to only cover the genre if it a) does something in it _exceptionally_ well b) has an actually unique take on the genre (see: Chess Survivors, a _turn-based_ arena survival today) because I see _every_ roguelike / roguelite that comes out every day, and let me tell you, I wish 66% of them weren't arena survival lol

...yeah? The games aren't comparable in any way that really matters though lol.

@@Retromation sure, Hades has encounters and this has a stationary field as far as I see. This game has a more zoomed out view. Both rogue like. Both farming resources for later games. Just this game looks so stick like. I don't like that art imo. You say not comparable, i say the opposite :)

They're only similar if you don't play very many roguelike games, yes they are both isometric games, and this is _technically_ a roguelite, but two those things mean _very_ little as that category is too big to be useful without subgenre. This is a roguelite arena survival game, Hades is a dungeon crawler. Again... yes I agree that Hades is obviously a better game, but it is not a comparison worth talking about. Even if they were comparable, this is a _demo_ for a game in a different genre made by a couple people, and not a 3+ year project made by a full team. It is like saying Dungeons & Dragons is better than Monopoly because they both technically qualify as board games, and they both utilize dice to interface with it. You're not wrong, but nobody is looking for that comparison lol.