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Dialectic of Enlightenment: The Culture Industry - Part II 

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In this video I look at the second part of Adorno and Horkheimer’s Dialectic of Enlightenment on the Culture Industry.
They write, ‘culture today is infecting everything with sameness. Film, radio, and magazines forms a system. Each branch of culture is unanimous within itself and all are unanimous together. Even the aesthetic manifestations of political opposites proclaim the same inflexible rhythm. The decorative administrative and exhibition buildings of industry differ little between authoritarian and other countries.’
For all of the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School, the individual lives in a world dominated by highly concentrated capital. The critique has more flexibility that orthodox Marxism, but the emphasis is the same: the drugs that save our lives, the manufacturing plants that build our products, the routine of the worker and the consumer, are dominated by the profit motive and the power of capital.
The culture industry is no exception:
‘All mass culture under monopoly is identical.’
They say that the defenders of the culture industry argue that they are driven by the demand of their customers: They demand cheap, reproducible products that can be accessed easily and everywhere.
The effect though is mass standardization: ‘Something is provided tor everyone so that no one can escape; differences are hammered home and propagated.’
They argue that the culture industry supports the tiring workday. Rather than think about their positions at the end of day, its much easier to switch off. To consume the same libidinal routines of enjoyment without considering the possibility of difficult change.
To be creative, to read something new, to follow a new plot, to take the time to enjoy completely new music is laborious.
The culture industry organizes free time in the same way capital organises work time. Everything is defined you without room for individual creativity and difference.
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James Bradley, ‘Frankfurt views’, Radical Philosophy, vol. 13 (Spring 1975), pp. 39-40.
David Held, Introduction to Critical Theory
Simon Jarvis, Adorno: A Critical Introduction
Adorno and Horkheimer, Dialectic of Enlightenment
James Schmidt, Language, Mythology and Enlightenment: Historical Notes on Horkheimer and Adorno’s Dialectic of Enlightenment
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@codycurtin2295
@codycurtin2295 2 года назад
I used to just watch your videos for fun but now I get to go back and use them to understand the concepts for my academic papers. Thank you so much
@maldoso76
@maldoso76 4 года назад
Welp, looks like ima take a 17 minute bathroom break at work
@AP-yx1mm
@AP-yx1mm 4 года назад
jose ocampo #Executivetime
@chanakyadevil
@chanakyadevil 4 года назад
You can increase the playback speed
@zukunft1338
@zukunft1338 4 года назад
Praxis
@dialecticalveganegoist1721
@dialecticalveganegoist1721 4 года назад
Praxis
@EmmaWithoutOrgans
@EmmaWithoutOrgans Год назад
@@chanakyadevil you can also slow it down
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 4 года назад
And thus every remake was born. Awesome as usual!
@fsalinasagruna
@fsalinasagruna 3 года назад
I feel like I should be paying for this type of content. Very high quality indeed and very helpful. Thanks
@chudpunter
@chudpunter 4 года назад
I feel like I caught about half of that. But it was a pretty cool half.
@AWorldtoWin
@AWorldtoWin 4 года назад
Hey Lewis, great video as always! You do a fantastic job of breaking down difficult texts like DoE without letting your videos get too dry and lecture-y, which is no small feat for presenting these complex ideas. Reading DoE for myself, I find it interesting how Adorno and Horkheimer commented on the increasing sameness of culture. Pro-capitalist ideologues so often tout the merits of how the "free market" encourages diverse products and competition--but they conveniently leave out what happens when someone *wins* that competition: oligopoly, and in some cases, monopoly. A handful of US megacorps like Disney control so much of cultural production, and what we see is much as Adorno and Horkheimer observed in their own time: the homogenization of cultural products, easily digestible and unchallenging of the status quo. As Debord later observed, what is horrifying about the culture industry is that even critique, dissent, etc. can be mobilized as commodities ("dissatisfaction itself became a commodity as soon as economic abundance could extend production to the processing of such raw materials." SotS, 59). Our big movie villains are not infrequently overt images of the rich and powerful (such as the baddie in Transformers: Age of Extinction, as Lindsey Ellis observed), and we are given a superficial taste of rebellion as a palliative for our social/political/economic outrage. The tragedy of Debord's observation is that even his Situationist detournement has fallen victim to thesis 59: cynical/ironic disavowal or self-critique (a la Deadpool, vaporwave, self-aware advertising, etc.) is now just as much a part of pop culture as the "lowest common denominator" genre--as often repeated by Slavoj Zizek, viz "I know very well what I am doing, nevertheless I am doing it." As you point out, the culture industry has highly developed methods of marketing, dividing the pool of potential consumers into demographic categories and so on. This has reached a new and higher level of development in our era of algorithms and digital analytics, where all of our desires, likes, dislikes, our seemingly private thoughts are now just as vulnerable to colonization from the market as those old demographic signifiers were. Adorno and Horkheimer were prescient here to a degree which I think would disturb them deeply. I think it is also important to contextualize the Frankfurt school theorists historically in the development of Marxism both as a social-scientific theory and as a political movement: the bankruptcy of the SPD in its betrayal of anti-war proletarian internationalism in voting for war credits in WWI; the tragic fractiousness of the various Marxist tendencies during the German Revolution of 1918-1923; and so on. The pessimism (in general) of the Frankfurt school thinkers is evident of this overall trajectory. As a Marxist myself, I can praise the Frankfurt thinker's prescience in their analysis of cultural production, while at the same time I am critical of the gradual turn away from class and political economy (at least in Western Marxisms: Laclau and Mouffe, for example) which, in my opinion, the Frankfurt thinkers marked the beginning of. While perhaps an important analytical tool for contemporary Marxists, Marxism is at its heart not merely one academic method among many, but exists as a harmony of theory and praxis (as in Thesis XI). The point of analyzing culture through this lens then ought to be with an eye to creating (as Gramsci called it) counter-hegemonic cultural production; i.e. genuinely proletarian art, cinema, music and so on which foment class consciousness and point beyond the bourgeois mind-prison of atomization, instrumental rationality, etc. Thanks again for the great video, Melody
@Dorian_sapiens
@Dorian_sapiens 4 года назад
Ah, but we have 30 different kinds of toothpaste to choose from, and that is why capitalism equals freedom. /s
@AWorldtoWin
@AWorldtoWin 4 года назад
@@Dorian_sapiens haha yeah, I love my diverse choices between...three health insurers which offer no affordable coverage that does jack for my medical needs
@MMAneuver
@MMAneuver 4 года назад
Incredibly lucid video and an amazing follow up comment. Thanks #smoothspace
@violashizzle
@violashizzle 4 года назад
As someone who works in the “culture industry” I am conflicted about what “genuinely proletarian art” might entail. Consumers of what used to be called “high art” are often highly educated and have spent time developing an understanding of this art, hence the critique of the penchant for supporting this art in its most avant-garde form as elitist. At the same time the working classes are most captivated by the products of the corporate culture industry and far less open to experimental and revolutionary forms. This gap seems highly problematic for the future of art and culture.
@AWorldtoWin
@AWorldtoWin Год назад
@@jakubmarko1285 thanks go ahead, might wanna pair it down though lol I definitely over stuffed it 😂
@DABATTLESUIT
@DABATTLESUIT 4 года назад
I really love this series. I take away a lot from it. Thank you
@user-ih8dh9ll8d
@user-ih8dh9ll8d 4 года назад
This book can easily be considered as the Bible of critique of bourgeois ideology, watching both parts of the video helps with understanding the text once you start reading the book. Amazing job with breaking it down and the book is a must-read.
@msmelanie.
@msmelanie. 4 года назад
The content is clear and insightful considering its density, plus the music works really well with the cinematography. Thanks again Lewis.
@asynthe
@asynthe 4 года назад
Man, the feeling of learning and identification with the video its just too much Not that we are the same from DoE, but it's a pretty solid critique of our society standarts thank you for breaking this hard book into comprehensible and powerful narration and imagenery
@TrippingFighter
@TrippingFighter 4 года назад
So poignant in the times we live today, yet again another brilliant video
@semi-relatablerants3964
@semi-relatablerants3964 4 года назад
I want this channel to both: be more recognized - because the channel deserves it; stay as recognized as it is - so I maintain superiority in knowledge 😳 But legit your videos are fucking amazing. You deserve a lot more recognition!
@danielgroth6998
@danielgroth6998 4 года назад
Great video. If possible, it would be interesting to see a video by you on Zizek’s reading of Hegel in relation to the ontological incompleteness of reality itself as an effect of the late Lacanian notion of the Real as the impossible. Best regards.
@imsorrybut8107
@imsorrybut8107 2 года назад
You took the words out of my mouth!
@9000ck
@9000ck 4 года назад
This explains why Marilyn Monroe and Kurt Cobain were such tragic figures...I think. Cobain's lyrics and music and whole self representation seems to express an artist who felt an overwhelming pressure to a be a consumer object while acknowledging he was also a consumer and an artist...
@hammadraza1000
@hammadraza1000 4 года назад
Wonderful and insightful like always
@HorsesAndFun
@HorsesAndFun 3 года назад
This video is so so good, thank you so much for creating this kind of content.
@QuetzalOvejasElectricas
@QuetzalOvejasElectricas 4 года назад
Thank you so much. I have used some quotes in your videos (from the Horkheimer/ Adorno book) in my own essays (I give you full credit) and this is just golden. I hope my redirections to your channel favour your own suscriptions, I do my best to recommend your material. I would love to collaborate with you someday and perhaps bring more people to your channel. You're better than me, frankly.
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 4 года назад
Thank you, Quetzal! It's much appreciated, as your support always is. I would really like to collaborate with you at some point too, lets be in touch :)
@santiagoaragon9461
@santiagoaragon9461 4 года назад
Bueno amigo, pasaron 5 meses, ¿y la colaboración?
@seankennedy4284
@seankennedy4284 4 года назад
Lots of truth here regarding the imprint of uniformity upon culture via mass production and advertising. At the same time, however, no one is holding a gun to the consumer's head. So the lament ought to be placed more toward why the consumer is so cheaply bought. This is a spiritual matter, not an economic system matter.
@LogicGated
@LogicGated Год назад
This 2 part series was so good.
@BlackBubblesJblack
@BlackBubblesJblack 4 года назад
A very lovely exquisit dissertation
@ArdentAvow
@ArdentAvow 4 года назад
I enjoyed this video. I wonder, as a good Frankfurt School boy, if my enjoyment is an indictment on me.
@M4ruta
@M4ruta 4 года назад
As much as I appreciate the amount of academic work that has gone into this, I can't shake the feeling that this is just the intellectual way of saying: "What's with kid's music these days? It all sounds the same, with their bleepy-dee-bleep-bleep noises!"
@brettvincenzini7089
@brettvincenzini7089 4 года назад
I think the critique here extends to everything replicated by the culture industry. That is, it applies also to the commodities specifically designed to appeal to the older generations (again by offering something familiar which silently indicates the universal to which, as a particular, it belongs). True newness is intrusive. It's divisive insofar as it simultaneously fascinates and offends. It contains the uncanny aspect of otherness and asserts itself as a particular of a completely new universal. Thus, we would expect art of this kind to be profoundly controversial. I think the history of rap music illustrates this point well. Originally it was quite scandalous but now that time has passed and the genre has been firmly established and widely accepted, it has likewise become a banality. Like the video describes, the universal begins to generate the particular. The message becomes anodyne. The otherness is suppressed. The product is normalized as are the consumer demands. This is how i understood it anyway.
@M4ruta
@M4ruta 4 года назад
@@brettvincenzini7089 Interesting take. I do wonder if the modern age, or late-capitalism or what you want to call it, is special in this regard. Haven't things always been like this? New things may be odd and unwelcome at first, then become mainstream, and finally a cliché. This can hardly be a unique feature of modern times.
@brettvincenzini7089
@brettvincenzini7089 4 года назад
I think you are right in that this fear of otherness is an intrinsic element of society and generates normative behavior and value systems and so on. However it is clear that the technological innovations of the last century coupled with the organizing principles of capital have amplified the effects of this unifying tendency to national and even global levels.
@juanmccoy3066
@juanmccoy3066 Год назад
@@brettvincenzini7089 but can't we just say this is part of human nature tho? The vast majority of people fear the new. Even I do at times. Like I refused to play fortinite and minecraft until my sister got me into it.
@juanmccoy3066
@juanmccoy3066 Год назад
@@brettvincenzini7089 that's true as hell. If profit is the bottom line then well... just look at modern marketing, it's all divided into demographics. Age, race, region, generational cohort, it keeps getting smaller and smaller. I've been playing fortnite with my sis lately and as much as i love it I can't help but see how culture recycles itself over and over in this game. And I'm look, oh man I want that new rick and morty emote, then itbecomes, look at all the emotes and costumes I have, marvel, Disney, Hulu, to the point I'm not even watching the shit. Then I realize I've already been through this with csgo call of duty, Pokémon, pogs, Gameboy, Nintendo. "Gotta catch em all" The game is that there's never an "all". There's always gonna be something new for u to do on ur off time instead of reading, learning a new language, etc of which those things have been capitalized on as well (Harry Potter, game of thrones, marvel comics, duolingo) It never ends. Look at music. It's ALL the same. To the point u have to look really hard to find the differences yet u want to hear all of it.
@MrArtaque
@MrArtaque 4 года назад
Thank you
@AP-yx1mm
@AP-yx1mm 4 года назад
I should be sleeping but well it can wait...
@allypoum
@allypoum 4 года назад
Quality content as ever. Shared etc.
@fomoriii
@fomoriii 4 года назад
yo, this was great??? ive watched so many things abt the culture industry but this one struck home. im gonna have to research this further and really think abt how i can take on these ideas as an artist
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 4 года назад
So glad, thank you!
@Skiamakhos
@Skiamakhos 4 года назад
Got a link to Part 1? I couldn't find it - there are too many videos to be able to search easily, which isn't a criticism, just, could do with the link in the description.
@minotaurmangum7911
@minotaurmangum7911 4 года назад
What's missing in this analysis is that the principle "something is produced for everyone, so that no one may escape" applies just as well to avant-garde art, which is easily incorporated into the capitalist dialectic, despite apparent opposition. After all, the formula is very simple: the virtues of the avant-garde are all in negation, and therefore parasitic upon the "mainstream" they condemn. It's good because it offends official morality. It's good because there's no happy ending. It's good because there's no melody, rhythm, or rhyme. It's good because it doesn't depict anything or isn't "about" anything. Et cetera. Ultimately this path is a total dead end which exhausts its possibilities: there's only so many conventional elements you can subtract before arriving at nothing, thus Seinfeld's joke about itself as a show about nothing: "Everybody's doing something; we'll do nothing!" If you think this threatens capitalism in any way, you haven't checked in on the art world lately.
@janosmarothy5409
@janosmarothy5409 4 года назад
tbf adorno was critical of postwar serialism as well. he understood that music of, by and for the academy was simply the obverse of the pop music he found so lacking. imo he makes some good points, but some weak ones as well, and the result is that his thinking inevitably leads one to rather pessimistic and unsatisfying blind alley when it comes to artistic questions.
@tomhancock8184
@tomhancock8184 Год назад
As an artist working in the realm of the abstract I got a lot out of this video. Parts reminded me of Hannah Arendt' essay CRISIS IN
@tomhancock8184
@tomhancock8184 Год назад
Culture. Thanks
@gda295
@gda295 3 года назад
YT hates it when i listen to haydn every day.........does not compute
@mugiwara6875
@mugiwara6875 3 года назад
Ma man you’re doing good things
@tarekbouabdallah6914
@tarekbouabdallah6914 4 года назад
I love your videos, but sometimes I could not hear you because of the high background music volume. I hope you lower it next time so that we hear you very clearly. Thank you very much for your hard work, keep it up!
@cameronclarkcarltontv4308
@cameronclarkcarltontv4308 4 года назад
Brilliant video. An antidote to the conformity.
@azzor4134
@azzor4134 6 месяцев назад
Hi. Can you enable auto-generated subtitles/closed captions for this video and for the rest of your older videos that were never subtitled by a human? They are helpful for those of us who speak a different language, or those who have hearing problems. In my experience, subtitles/close captions are 99% accurate and can understand accents nowadays, so you shouldn't worry about being misrepresented by them
@nightoftheworld
@nightoftheworld 3 года назад
15:59 *culture industry illness* “Now personality means hardly more than dazzling white teeth and freedom from body odor and emotions-that is the triumph of advertising in the culture industry. The compulsive imitation by consumers of cultural commodities which at the same time they recognize as false.”
@maymadison3620
@maymadison3620 2 года назад
Where is part 1? Can u please put them in a playlist?
@NeithanGMT
@NeithanGMT 4 года назад
Just stumpled upon this channel, rly good stuff! Do you have any interrest in philosophy of technology? I am myself studying Science, Technology and Society (STS)(i think the akronym stand for something else in America) Any motivation for doin videoes in this field? I know Critical theory is big in european sts
@ThenNow
@ThenNow 4 года назад
Always interested in new things. Send some recommendations! I have some experience in this but not much
@ethicalpatriot8661
@ethicalpatriot8661 4 года назад
@@ThenNow Surveillance Capitalism would be great to expand beyond the works of Shoshana Zuboff. The need for philosophy, legislation, and proper understanding of complex and covert systems being used today.
@marshacd
@marshacd 4 года назад
Entertaining.
@nandayoo
@nandayoo 3 года назад
about that sameness... there's a guy who basically brought this idea into popular culture through industrial design (about that lil later) (since the video is on the subject & concludes what it concludes on the example of american pop culture... let me elaborate...) - it's human nature for people to look for similar things over which they can relate to each-other / bond... - I guess you could look for the roots of it in good ole tribalism - where members of a certain group need to build an identity (based on believes as much as on "stylistics" of the objects they use, clothing they wear... ) that keeps that group together - & because certain values & believes are not necessarily universal - especially it's diffuclt to establish common ground whn you don't speak the same language... it was a huge challenge for all sorts of groups bigger than 150 people (dunbar number...) for millenia to form alliances until the introduction of big religions that has created a universal identity - as suddenly if we believe in the same thing/same values we can successfully cooperate amongst different groups/tribes as part of one civilization. With the free market & success of american consumerism after the 2nd world war there was a as marx noticed already a century before a surplus of goods - problem was - for producers trying to satisfy growing needs of fast growing middle class... that consumers were simply not liking things that were too different from the ones that already existed that say their neighbor or a person you passed on the streets already had they seemed sometimes too novel & with it made you stand out & standing out is maybe a value for a stage artist like lady gaga but not for your neighbor Bob who just wants to shine a lil at a coctail party but not too much as that may give him a label of some eccentric dude with weird fetish for flamboyant hats & shirts... And here enters a Frenchman, Raymond Loewy, artist turned industrial designer who landed in New York & landed a job as an illustrator in some popular magazine- just like a lot of advertisers that were having trouble promoting all the new wonderful innovative products but not understanding why people wouldn't buy them he started thinking what is it that makes people like 1 item & despise another - regardless of it's functionality... he coined the term MAYA (most advanced yet acceptable) - which simply states that people by nature are as much neophillic as they are neophobic (we like & also dislike new things/novelties) (it must have it's roots in evolutionary psychology - if you found some new berry say & took a chance & ate it & it turned out to be belladona or some other poisonous fruit than you took a huge risk that did not pay off (risk reward ratio)... so it's better to stick to things we know - you can see that with tourists - going to a new country & instead of trying some local food they be settling to eat in macdonalds or kfc... that's why they are so successful globally...) so the key is to introduce smthn new but not completely new & not completely different from smthn that was already on the market as for a consumer it's percieved as a huge risk - an itteration of the old thing / an improved version ... -that's why we trust good old established brands & all the sequels of avenger movie series & spiderman movies & whatever that was already a success brings investors/producers a secure return on their investment... it's not just about market providing mindless entertainment - it's a social thing - you find no connection with people if you saw some weird movie that nobody else have seen & you mention that at a coctail party & have to explain the plot & recommend it - you're being a marketer in some way rather than a networker... there is a lot of indie stuff out there... but it's not as successful because you know - human nature... & not capitalism ...
@myla6135
@myla6135 Год назад
Yes, indeed. Besides mass production makes stuff affordable too and people like that. More human nature : to want what the other person has. Rene Girard has written a fair bit about that tendency and has linked it to violence.
@juliusgroenjes8115
@juliusgroenjes8115 4 года назад
What’s the song at 5:55?
@michaelwu7678
@michaelwu7678 4 года назад
What about great artists who embody the universal through rigorous classical forms? E.g. Bach, Mozart, Renaissance painters, etc.?
@michaelwu7678
@michaelwu7678 3 года назад
@UCo-cndcmc1aFEW1HQcRaYzg we’re talking about art here so obviously it would be beauty
@aaryanpavvitchhabra9265
@aaryanpavvitchhabra9265 3 года назад
Thank you so much! Just saved my life help pls- what's the word you say at 5:43 ? i've played it 12 times still don't get it..
@aaryanpavvitchhabra9265
@aaryanpavvitchhabra9265 3 года назад
is it planning or something else
@NathanDudani
@NathanDudani 3 года назад
...recurring cyclically as rigid and in variance. Planning is based on inertia, on status. All the consumer must do...
@roryobrien6655
@roryobrien6655 3 года назад
What is the video at 11.45?
@Atipaj
@Atipaj 4 года назад
I would see the rise of fascism during this same time as with the rise of culture industry from a hysterical perspective, in that people like Hitler, Mussolini, etc, merely utilized the rising industrial culture industry, but they were not directly bred from it as a consequence of it. That was Communism. In my opinion, fascism arose from an extremely complex combination between socio-economic and political-economic situations, which includes as a direct consequence from Culture Industry. You said it yourself in your video on how Van Gogh's painting was revolutionary at that time when other 'contemporary' art was hanged that expression typical beauty, religion, etc. i think fascism arose as a direct consequence from this, in much the same way as Communism arose. Both Fascism and Communism, more or less, has the same fear of what was happening. The difference lied on how they both handled it. Fascism simply utilized this vast industrial culture base for its own use, in essence, keeping things relatively the same way, while Communism, at least it tried, to overthrow it completely and replace it with something else. Either way, I always enjoy your videos!! Keep up the great work!
@wmgodfrey1770
@wmgodfrey1770 7 месяцев назад
Contact points here with Schmactenberger's thoughts on the Big $ Machine as a paper clip maximizer. YET, it's just not quite right with regards to THAT WHICH it is - or seems to be - in service to... To something else other than the good, the true, and the beautiful. Of asymmetrical power dynamics. Speaking 🗣️ of THIS, I would very much like to see 🙈👀/hear 🙉👂 some of your thoughts on THAT, my good fellow and dear professor. Cheers 🍻 Luck 🍀 Peace 🕊️ Gaia ✨♾️🌌🚀☯️⭐
@benmerzougdounia7418
@benmerzougdounia7418 3 года назад
PLEASE, add substitles or captions please
@fiazmultani
@fiazmultani 3 года назад
Hi. I don't think that the 'cultural industry' excludes difference. The difference is there but its manifestation is usually in the form of a new product or a 2.0 of something. The capitalist system relies heavily on difference/innovation. However, there is a duality to this; difference and sameness merge when protection is needed from your competition.
@derinderin265
@derinderin265 8 месяцев назад
it would be better if you added subtitle for different language speakers
@caiolmoraes
@caiolmoraes Год назад
Can I help by adding subtitles in English and Portuguese PT-BR?
@tokenblackwoman127
@tokenblackwoman127 3 года назад
how to inject sameness: *add a synthesizer*
@felixargyle6138
@felixargyle6138 4 года назад
Picasso's cubism doesn't a boot of Van Gogh.
@DragonSpikeXIII
@DragonSpikeXIII 7 месяцев назад
6:20
@renatoraia4103
@renatoraia4103 4 года назад
I don't know if this make any sense anymore. Let's take one of the most recent "pop culture" films: Joker. It has a pretty complex storyline, a pretty deep psychological analysis of his characters and it is not a light escapist film, as in it there are many reflections on mental illness, economic inequality and other topics that are relevant today. And this apply to many successful "pop art" products of our time, they are not as shallow as the critical theory says. Also "niche" products are not that irrelevant today. Videos of Jordan Peterson, Slavoj Zizek and other intellectuals often gain hundreds of thousand if not millions of views, and you can agree with them or not but you must admit they say complex stuff and they receive attention. So I think the criticism of the critical theorists makes no sense anymore and just give to pseudointellectuals the delusion that they are better than "the mass".
@francostrong202
@francostrong202 4 года назад
I don't think Adorno or Horkheimer would say that all pop art is bad. They could probably appreciate some individual pieces. Also, their critique focuses more so on the production of art artifacts rather than specific pieces. But regarding the newest Joker film, it literally fits perfectly into their critique. It's pretty formulaic and the general narrative arc is one we've seen before (literally a copy of Taxi Driver). There are plety of movies which follow a character's decent into madness and nihilism. What is novel is that it uses a comic book property, usually a PG13 affair, and turns it into an R rated film. Adorno's analysis or critique might go something like this: the Joker film was produced by a large corporation looking for a profit margin, therfore the film's general premise (man descends into violence and nihilism) is one that has already proven to be successful (taxi driver, American Psycho, etc), and the way in which the corporation got people to fill theaters is by offering the novelty of having a comic - book property attached to it. But that's not to say that Joker doesn't deal with "important issues." It does. The general masses can and will derive meaning from the film, but Adorno and Horkheimer may ask what could that film could have been if it didn't have to abide by certain parameters such as profit motive, etc.
@renatoraia4103
@renatoraia4103 4 года назад
@@francostrong202 Yes, but such a critique can be applied to art in general, not only to art in the modern age. Like, Michelangelo was paid for what he did and his work respected the parameters of art in the Reinassance, so that it could be accepted by those who paid for those works. In fact, I would say that today artists are freer to avoid to conform to standard models and I think it is natural that there are some artistic currents and cliches. To believe that art could live outside any economic concern and outside any formal rule or reference to precedent art (in form of imitation or rejection) is just not understanding how art works. Even if you want to break older traditions you will create a new one. Like, there was the Reinassance way of doing art and then Caravaggio came and broke those rules but then there was a Caravaggio inspired school of painters. All art was always done by playing with older models, deciding what to preserve and what not.
@renatoraia4103
@renatoraia4103 4 года назад
@Ren G I'm not worried because what you say can be applied also to Dostoevsky. He was a part of the machine (a famous writer) who wrote about the most isolated part of society (Raskolnikov) and make profit from it (all the money he earned by selling Crime and Punishment). But I don't judge Dostoevsky this way because it's clear to me that he wrote is work to denounce society and its unjusticies. I don't understand why the same logic can't be applied to Joker. The aim of the film is to denounce the fact that society produces individuals like the Joker. I don't understand why the fact that the creators of the film earned money for what they did somehow makes their work less valuable as almost all artists in the course of human history were payed for their art.
@renatoraia4103
@renatoraia4103 4 года назад
@Ren G to make a film you must have more people working on it than just a struggling writer and this in your perspective makes the film more "socially conservative" than a (very good) novel. I can partially agree but on the other end I don't believe it is just "there are sad people, we should appeal to them" because first, I don't think all the people that appreciated the Joker where like the Joker. There are surely too many disfunctional individuals today, as there where many in Dostoevsky' s time. But the objective of Crime and Punishment is not to appeal to them, is to reflect on them. The average guy was more a kind of Raskolnikov, as today the average guy is a kind of Artur Fleck. And I think both Crime and Punishment and the Joker were good reflections on that, and so both fulfilled their role as art. Don't get me wrong I appreciate some of the things critical theory says (I've read The One-Dimensional Man and i'm planning to read more) but I think they are by far too pessimistical and overcritical of the present. Or at least they are such now. One should not forget those books were written during WW2 or the Cold War. Today I perceive many critical theorists are just people believing that the world is shit and we are worse than the nazis when like every statistics on human wellbeing says we on average live better than ever before
@tcorourke2007
@tcorourke2007 Месяц назад
Algo
@sethjohnson3760
@sethjohnson3760 Год назад
The epitome of culture is religion
@raphaelradespiel9970
@raphaelradespiel9970 4 года назад
A reactionary brasilian philosopher named Olavo de Carvalho Said that adorno wrote some songs for the Beatles... CuLtUrAl MaRxIsM
@alexjkang7678
@alexjkang7678 3 года назад
Anyone from RUC?
@Skylark_Jones
@Skylark_Jones Год назад
"A mass fortress of" futilitarianism. All mugs are the same: we're the mugs.
@ottodachat
@ottodachat 4 года назад
love it when some of these right wingers claim how exploiting working class people is a basic right -- they don't seem to get it, that capitalism only reifies itself as long as you are rich, the rest of us can only watch movies about rich people and 'wish' we could be part of that wonderful city on the hill!! so in the meantime, we all bite the bullet and conform and become the same, Junior "Dont rock the BOAT!"
@juanmccoy3066
@juanmccoy3066 Год назад
That's beginner shit. That all depends on how u define capitalism. There's a libertarian version which has nothing to do with exploiting people and is all based on voluntary contract. Then there's the Marxist critique definition of capitalism as an exploitative device. Those "right wingers" more than likely hate the same things u do when it comes to corporatism and the state. But ur not really listening. It's also worth noting the vast majority of them are actual working class people. Probably more so than you.
@paulaustinmurphy
@paulaustinmurphy 4 года назад
Is this video a part of the culture industry? It is certainly style-conscious and somewhat hip, with its visual imagery and use of music. It's also part of the Critical Theory Industry, with its many hipster automaton followers. What I get from "critical theory" is an endless supply of gross and snobby generalisations about the society and culture in which these Marxists lived. They seem to turn their noses up at everything and everything outside their leftwing tribe. Take the Marxist notion of "false consciousness"; which inhabits all this. It's the most arrogant and smug notion ever to come out of theory or philosophy. That is, anyone who lives or thinks differently to the critical theorist or Marxist is - by definition - a victim of false consciousness. Cultural theorists saw and see themselves as a priest-class which enunciates gross poetic generalisations, all of which fall to pieces once analysed for more than a millisecond. In the video itself we have a long list of poetic generalisations which sound sexy on first hearing (good for first-year-student t-shirts), but soon show themselves to be the pretentious and oracular fantasies of an elitist. Yes, a Marxist elitist - usually someone of the upper-middle-class who's spent his entire adult life in academia.... Adorno, for example, was just an obvious and unadulterated snob. What do these theorists have to offer us in the place of the "culture industry"? Just dreary agitprop? A dull, pious and politically righteous existence of pure theory-intoxication in which the world is made in the image of Adorno, Hockenheimer, etc? Even all the great artists that these theorists patronised, experimental and conventional, existed in total ignorance of their theorising. . Cultural theorists outside of academia are like fish out of water.
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn 3 года назад
The idea of false consciousness is as much a part of Christian and Islamic teaching about human subjectivity.
@atheistcrusader1160
@atheistcrusader1160 3 года назад
I think this video went over your head
@paulaustinmurphy
@paulaustinmurphy 3 года назад
@@atheistcrusader1160 In what way? Or are you too lazy or hip to say? ... "Went over your head" = I was critical of the video
@atheistcrusader1160
@atheistcrusader1160 3 года назад
@@paulaustinmurphy you're definitely on the wrong side of youtube
@paulaustinmurphy
@paulaustinmurphy 3 года назад
@@atheistcrusader1160 I didn't really understand you first comment. And this one is even worse. Are your glib one-liners designed not to be understood? Are you speaking Teen Hip?
@keystothebox
@keystothebox 4 года назад
Just ludicrous
@AudioPervert1
@AudioPervert1 4 года назад
" Music, Songs, tunes and melodies will get shorter, faster, simpler hence stupider and duller and eventually be vanquished to oblivion (NOISE) " Theodore Adorno's nightmare came true... 60 odd years later, We have Pop Music and HipHop and all such instant gratification > trash < Which rules the world...
@agm2726
@agm2726 7 месяцев назад
Wowww that's fucked up
@mattbastubee5255
@mattbastubee5255 4 года назад
If they thought culture was bad back then, what the f**k would they say about "reality" tv and the Kardashians.
@paulruderstaller5062
@paulruderstaller5062 3 года назад
These 'enlightened' atheists rejected true enlightenment when their spiritual ancestors rejected and killed the savior of ALL humanity. The spirit of antichrist and revolution is in their genetics. 'Let his blood be upon us us and our children' they cried at the condemnation of an innocent man.
@bass9351
@bass9351 Год назад
U mean those devil jews
@mikhailg4667
@mikhailg4667 Месяц назад
So this is why Star Wars sucks now.
@Senumunu
@Senumunu 4 года назад
A pretty shallow video all things considered.
@felixii4931
@felixii4931 4 года назад
as compared to your useless 2 second comment
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