Diamond DA50 RG vs Cirrus SR22 | FULL COMPARISON

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What do you think of these two beauties? Mine is the Diamond 50RG!
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@mindlesspear8840 11 месяцев назад

I can’t believe you included comparison specs without mentioning the sr22 burns nearly twice as much fuel as the da50

@nickspradley508 2 года назад

Just here to look at a good comparison of two aircraft that I will never be able to afford to own :D

@thamedz777 2 года назад

Dream big. Life's short. And it's never too late to do something amazing!

@Giggidygiggidy12 Год назад

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@09shadowjet Год назад

Imho, for single engine piston airplane, the SR22 is a no brainer. I'd easily pick the Cirrus out of anything. But when it comes to dual engine piston plane, the Diamond DA42 and DA62 wins.

@Maniac742 Год назад

Depends on your priorities. Diamond's safety record is unbeatable, so if you want safety or fuel efficiency, get a Diamond. They also use Jet A. If you want more speed, get a Cirrus.

@MrEdgargravel 2 года назад

Did not include the Pipistrel Panthera in your description - but it is in the videos.

@philipgledhill7227 2 года назад

Both awesome planes it is very hard to choose equal par philip.

@colinfitzgerald4332 Год назад

The takeoff distance quoted for the DA50 is not 2,500 ft. That is the distance to clear a 50 object. Takeoff distance is actually 1355 ft for theDA50 and 1035ft for the SR22 at max weights.

@TheReadBaron91 2 года назад

As someone who has worked on both (not the DA50, but Diamonds) I would say Cirrus are much better to maintain, just my perspective though.

@blakethegreatone2058 2 года назад

Is there a particular reason for that? I'm just curious

@TheReadBaron91 2 года назад

@@blakethegreatone2058 to me it feels like the systems in a Diamond are all an afterthought, from a maintenance perspective. Everything it stuffed in the airframe in a way that a lot of things are a PITA to do. Usually simple things like seat removal and install is annoyingly painful for what it is on Diamonds, definitely not hard but you kinda stare at it and scratch your head. Of course, there are good things too (fadec + troubleshooting is one). Manuals are written better for the Cirrus too. Tracking down parts in Diamond, or their main engine Austro is a pain, constantly have to reach out to them to get a part that isn’t in the IPC or what they have in the IPC doesn’t actually match up with what you need to order. Their cool airplanes to look at and fly in, just not my favorite to perform MX on.

@StinkPickle4000 2 года назад

@@TheReadBaron91 Did you have to repack the chute? Or otherwise spend extra time on their unique features?

@TheReadBaron91 2 года назад

@@StinkPickle4000 We are not rated for repacks, since we’re not ATF qualified. I am trained to do it, and it is a very tight thing area for the chute. But I have maintained several Cirrus and Diamonds over the last five years

@speedomars3869 2 года назад

@@TheReadBaron91 Chute repacks are done at 10 year intervals.

@WhiskeySam1 2 года назад

I’m surprised all modern single engines aren’t equipped with a parachute. That alone would be the reason I would buy the SR22

@JetStream- 2 года назад

I entirely agree. Modern two seaters are now being built with ballistic parachutes, however we are yet to see them on 4-5 seaters.

@christophermichaelson9050 2 года назад

Affects payload.

@WhiskeySam1 2 года назад

@@christophermichaelson9050 No doubt. I don’t know how much, but I’d guess the weight of a passenger, give or take. But for something that would save your life in the event of a stall or engine failure at altitude? I’d say it’s worth the additional weight.

@christophermichaelson9050 2 года назад

@@WhiskeySam1 It's about 100-125 pounds for the system. Agreed. I wish Diamond offered a BRS; they missed it with the DA50. If I get a 172 or 182, I will install a BRS chute, Amsafe harness + airbags, and Garmin cockpit + GFC 500, EPS and Smart Glide. Maybe even STOL kit. Anything to improve safety.

@joshacosta5772 2 года назад

The original cirrus singles couldn’t recover from a spin and had the chute to be airworthy. Now they can recover but haven’t proven so in the US so it’s still just required equipment. The chute is impractical in virtually all emergencies, and the training taught by cirrus is dangerous. Engine troubles? Pull the CAPS! Experienced CFI by the way. I’m not a total nobody saying random stuff idk about

@bernardanderson3758 2 года назад

Diamond Aircraft has been doing very well with there others models as of the DA-40 for flight training and I’m holding back on this DA50 until further details

@speedomars3869 2 года назад

Cirrus owns 60% of the piston single market. The rest is split up among all the others.

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

@@speedomars3869 You mean of the NEW piston single market... and yeah, that's not 'cause the Cirrus is so awesome, but because there just isn't much competition. And, actually, when I'm at a random class-D in California - there's probably about as many DA-40 as there are SR-22. Or maybe I love DA-40 so I always notice them...

@speedomars3869 2 года назад

@@suzukirider9030 There are over 8000 Cirrus SR22s in the air. There are 2200 Diamond DA40s.

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

@@speedomars3869 USA or world?

@speedomars3869 2 года назад

@@suzukirider9030 Worldwide sales. For both companies.

@Clovescp 2 года назад

Para a Cirrus focar melhor! Só falta ter a Opção de um Motor Turbo Diesel 🇧🇷 ☝️ Jet-A1 Igual ao DA 50 - RG

@robertchambers5821 5 месяцев назад

I really like the look of the DA-50 but it's not available. The demand is so great, you order one and it won't be produced for another 3-4 years. Darn.

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

I've flown the DA-40 a few times, wonderful aircraft, much better than a C-172 or 182. The DA-50, for more than double the price... IDK, seems like a questionable upgrade. I'd expect more range out of it, considering how low the boasted fuel burn of the diesel is supposed to be. Seems like Diamond decided to sacrifice fuel tanks (and put in very small ones) to squeeze in the 5-th seat.

@MegaDada1995 Год назад

The range was decided upon customer feedback. It's too small for me, personally, but at least you get payload in return, and great flight characteristics (beats the SR22 IMO)

@suzukirider9030 Год назад

@@MegaDada1995 I suppose one could "experimental" the DA-52 and get an extra 20 gallons or so at the expense of the 5-th seat. If I had the money I'd buy a DA-40 and put an ULS-520 engine in it instead of the ancient IO-360 (flown enough of those. They belong in museums. The starting procedure for them is just... fuck me, I wanna just turn the key and have it start dammit! Esp. with non-GA-familiar pax in the back and I'm fumbling through the checklist on my 3-rd attempt to start the engine and it's either too lean, or flooded, or something... At least I don't have to hand-prop it lmao) or the overpriced and underpowered Mercedes diesel engine found in the DA-40-NG - that's 100lbs heavier while 12 hp less than the IO-360. The DA-40 is an awesome airframe. Too bad both engine versions it's offered with kinda suck in different ways. And for an ULS-520 engine I'd have to build it myself... and building one-of-a-kind aircraft means additional costs even if the concept is otherwise very practical and efficient :-(

@MegaDada1995 Год назад

@@suzukirider9030 Upon request Diamond will put in all the plumbing for a turtle tank, but they won't put in the actual tank for liability reasons. The good thing of a collapsible tank is that it's not really a permanent installation, nor does it require a STC/Experimental status. I personally never minded the power reduction of the diesel engine, I feel the FADEC pretty well makes up for that. Peak performance at all altitudes and airspeeds without fiddling with the levers. The weight can be a bit of an issue, but the fuel savings and increased range..? Worth it!

@Maniac742 Год назад

They didn't sacrifice fuel for the 5th seat. The reason the fuel payload on the DA50RG is a small is because of European air travel taxes on aircraft weighing 2,000 kg or more. There is room in the aircraft for a larger fuel tank, but it Euro customers would be paying a lot extra for it.

@MegaDada1995 Год назад

@@Maniac742 That applies more to the DA62. The DA62 is actually manufactured in 2 versions, 5 seats and 7 seats. The 7 seat version has 2300kg MTOW whereas the 5 seat has is limited to 1999kg to be exempt from the airway tax. However, the 62 has a higher empty weight (by 150kg) and 1250NM range for even the 5-seat variant. The 62 and 50RG share the same fuselage up to the forward firewall of the 50RG (they are manufactured mostly in the same mold) and the same wings outboard of the DA62 engine cowlings. The extra fuel tanks in the DA62 are found in the rear of the engine pylons, behind the engines. Hence the DA50RG does not actually have room for extra tanks (besides a collapsible tank taking the place of the rear seats). Source: Flying both the DA50RG and DA62, and have spoken extensively about the range issue with the Diamond team

@Kactus479 5 месяцев назад

can someone tell me why the DA50 is so much heavier on basic empty weight? It's even heavier than the Piper M350 which is a 6-seater and pressurized.

@saraivab 2 года назад

Honestly, you should re'narrate your video. If you target aviation enthusiasts and begin by calling these planes JETS, our trust in the remaining of the content drops to zero!

@flightcz Год назад

Also, cabin length 7.93 m :))))) ..........

@tropicthndr 2 года назад

Something really wrong with that Da50 when it has a “diesel” and a Cessna 182 has better range, better landing speed, better useful everything and fits in a standard T hangar which the da50 doesn’t.

@fdtank81 2 года назад

Apples and oranges

@anthonycyr9657 2 года назад

thats where my bucks would go, a nice used late model t182t , the turbo skylane is a fairly quick bird for the horsepower..

@edadan 2 года назад

Would have been nice to include price in the comparison. Just from the specs listed, the SR22 is definitely the better aircraft.

@edwinosorio6466 2 года назад

Did you not finish the video? It had a price comparison at the end. Dont think it was very accurate but there was one.

@speedomars3869 2 года назад

The Diamond DA50 is $1.4m The Cirrus SR22 is $800k.

@NikosWings 2 года назад

Since the DA50 RG is turbocharged you should be comparing to the SR22T not the SR22. The SR22 still kicks the DA50’s butt every day of the week all around including pricing and styling and simplicity. Also, the DA50 won’t fit in a standard t-hangar and it’s insurance is much higher than the SR22 because of no track record and retractable gear. I think the DA50 RG sales in North America will not do well at all and it will too have the fate of the Cessna TTx, will soon be discontinued.

@MarekMarciniak 2 года назад

I ferry Diamonds all over the North America, Caribbean and even South America and can tell you that the hype about the Diamonds is big. They stopped taking orders for the DA62 because they are coming with new prices, but the earliest you can buy one right now will be 2024. DA42 - second half of 2023, DA40 NG I think beginning of 2023. They sell really good. I work with the biggest Diamond Dealer in USA and from what I am hearing and looking at the preorders - the DA50 will be a success. I agree with you that SR22 specs look better but don't forget a DA50 will be a true full fuel, 5 pax plane , whereas the SR22 is not, Then you have great fuel consumption and cost to operate per hour , Jet A availability outside the US, decent speed and range. And when it comes to styling - it is very subjective, you like the Cirrus, but I think most people would agree with me that the DA50 looks better. Greetings.

@garysorenson4398 2 года назад

@@MarekMarciniak I love Diamond aircraft, but I think they have the price point on the DA50RG to high, it's just to close to the DA62. IF I could affoard a DA50, I would definitely spend the extra for the DA62. I aggree with Niko though, should be compairing the DA50 to the SR22T. In NA, I can't see buying the DA50, other parts of the world I get it, 100LL can be very expensive and hard to get. Now I guess an argument could be made that you're "future proofing" with the DA50 here too.

@paderks1209 2 года назад

I've flown the SR20, which is extremely similar to an SR22 besides the engine. I've also sat in the DA50rg, and have flown DA40s. Though the Cirrus does demonstrate good performance, I think the DA50rg is a superior plane despite the higher price. From my experience in the Cirrus, it is not a nice plane to hand fly. The spring loaded centering of the flight controls is tiring in the hand, and the lack of modulation makes the plane feel too twitchy. In contrast, the stick in the Diamonds is much more responsive, and the use of push rods flight controls makes it feel like a sports car in comparison. Next would be the engine. The SR22 does have a good engine that is cheaper to maintain, but its outdated technology. The DA50rg is a full FADEC system that greatly reduces pilot workload. It also burns Jet A which is cheaper, and more widely available that 100LL. Another problem I have with the Cirrus is the safety concept. Many people don't actually know the main reason the Cirruses have the CAPS, and its because the SR series of planes did not pass spin testing by the FAA. You can recover one from a spin, but it is extremely difficult, which is why they had to implement the CAPS system to get it certified in America. That's not to say its an unsafe plane, but when they chose a wing planform, stall characteristics where clearly not their priority. On the other hand, diamond chose to use a wing with excellent stall characteristics. The diamond also has fuel tanks that are resistant to punctures to reduce the risk of fire during a crash. These are the big things, but there are small details here and there that I think make the diamond overall more safe, like the placement of the circuit-breaker panel being in the pilots view. They're both great planes, and a lot of things are just simply subjective, but in a choice between the two I think the DA50rg is more well thought-out and designed.

@jerryuma Год назад

The Da kicks sr22t butt any day of the week

@hammersmith1653 Год назад

Sorry but a 40 year old bonanza still beats both of them if you’re staying under 14,000ft… a Cirrus is basically a two person plane with full fuel. I go faster with a smaller engine and carry full fuel and 4 people no baggage or 3 with. Only way you get the higher speeds is at max altitudes which 90-95 percent of users are not going to. Put an STC same engine in and it’s really no comparison. Not to mention half the maintenance cost.

@AlexanderBingham 5 месяцев назад

Kind of shocked you didn't compare this to the SR22T

@nicholasrucinski1651 2 года назад

sr20 vs da40

@anthonycyr9657 2 года назад

The cessna 240 ttx is also another option, used mind you but you get a faster better handling aircraft than either, and the money saved from buying the grossly overpriced diamond would go into running costs.

@caprica_13 2 года назад

Another ttx fan. I don't understand why people like that plane so much. It's overly complicated and a maintenance nightmare with inflatable door seals, back up fuel pumps that kick on automagically at the wrong times, speed brakes that fail. No thanks. And no it does not handle as well as the Cirrus. It's very heavy on the controls and feels like a dump truck in comparison. Not to mention they have CG issues, it's almost impossible to get a Cirrus out of CG. Visibility out of the cockpit is nonexistent with that tiny windshield. Cirrus handles like a dream and it's a fairly simple airplane in terms of maintenance compared to the lancair/columbia/ttx, there's a reason why they discontinued it. Granted I have hundreds of hours in the Cirrus, and not much in the ttx or the diamonds but I've flown all of them. The DA40 I flew did not impress. It's shaky with the 4 cyl engine in there, feels cramped, and the glider wings aren't exactly ideal for rough weather.

@anthonycyr9657 2 года назад

@@caprica_13 if you read the specs, it (the ttx) does have better range and is much faster than this overpriced single that can barely manage 190 kts for over a million retail.

@caprica_13 2 года назад

@@anthonycyr9657 doesn't matter, the pilot experience is significantly better in a Cirrus. go fly both planes and you'll see.

@anthonycyr9657 2 года назад

@@caprica_13 Have flown an sr22 dont like the side yoke at all, the true side stick in the ttx has a superior feeling and better response in my opinion.

@Wayne-xv6fd 9 месяцев назад

What was the white aircraft in the intro did not look like either the 50 or 22

@rmp5s 3 месяца назад

Pipistrel Panthera

@bernardanderson3758 2 года назад

The DA-50 RG vs the Safest Single engine aircraft in the World in my purchase of a high performance aircraft I’ll consider would be the SR22 Turbo

@albertoacevedo5465 4 месяца назад

Fuel burn ? Cost of av gas vs jet fuel is the key

@singel09 Год назад

What is the type of plane in the intro?

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

What about the Pipistrel Panthera?

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

In prototype phase? I haven't heard of it getting certified yet. Although I feel like it's gonna be faster than either of these, and more fuel efficient. It's an RG, and much cleaner aerodynamically than the DA-50

@alexs3187 Год назад

@@suzukirider9030 half the price of the other two also. Should be almost done with certification? Also a hybrid model coming.

@suzukirider9030 Год назад

@@alexs3187 Hybrid model is advertisement stories for the "green" advocates. It's physically impossible to make a hybrid aircraft practical. "Just fill it up with liquified fossils, Karl!" Actual retail price will be... Well, we'll see. I hope it will be under $1M. Not that I'd be able to afford a $500k airplane any time soon anyway.

@alexs3187 Год назад

@@suzukirider9030 honestly we would see more innovation on aircraft engines, but they have all the red tape to deal with to prove they are safe. A friend of mine is working on the batteries for the Diamond eDA-40

@suzukirider9030 Год назад

@@alexs3187 Any aircraft parts, engines included. I've flown enough GA which were in a very poor technical condition, yet somehow apparently were considered airworthy / legal to fly. I'd much rather fly a well-maintained experimental with no certificate whatsoever. Built and maintained by the owner, who flies his family in it. There's just no way the ancient Lycoming engines are safer than modern car engines. Alas, nothing less than a war can bring down the red tape, the lawyers who stifle all progress, the safety and liability obsession, and let engineers do things the right way again.

@EnabledShooter 2 года назад

So, the SR 22 is faster, more powerful, has a higher payload, twice the range and cost half as much? That doesn't seem like much of a comparison. Both are beautiful airplanes

@edsonroadmoto 2 года назад

Retractable landing gear, de-icing measure’s, and jet fuel ⛽️ turbo Diesel engine that runs on 1/2 the amount of fuel Vs the SR22. These things are the different things to think about too. If they used the CD300 in the cirrus then the range would be even better as it would use only about 8gph and jet fuels are cheaper and more popular with most airports than 100LL that’s not as environmentally friendly.

@EnabledShooter 2 года назад

@@edsonroadmoto I didn't think about those things. You are exactly right. I suppose it really depends on what you're going to use the airplane for. There are a lot of factors that go into purchasing an airplane.

@nxfedlt1 2 года назад

@@edsonroadmoto it doesn't use half. It's misleading. The poh shows almost equal burn at anything other than a 150tas cruise. Who the hell wants a 1.3mm 182. This plane is an utter flop. I'd wait for gen 2 of it.

@brettswanson4452 2 года назад

Base price on the Cirrus is misleading. No AC, no FIKI, no, turbo, no oxygen. Everyone adds these options so realistically the SR22 is $1M. Also the stated range is if you pull power back to a crawl. They are almost identical in reality as far as performance other than fuel burn. The Diamond burns about half of the fuel and it burns Jet A which is cheaper.

@knuttlaarsen7218 2 года назад

Don't know how I stopmed onto this. All in all Damn good video ❤️😄. I also have been watching those rather similar from MStarTutorials and kinda wonder how you guys create these clips. MStar Tutorials also had cool information about similiar things on his channel.

@cherokee592 2 года назад

These are no „jets“

@carradean 2 года назад

Dimond all the way m8

@tickedoffsheikh8587 Год назад

How did the Diamond company ended up in the hands of the Chinese?

@alexgrace535 Год назад

I don't think your comparison is correct. Not a chance can the SR22 get airborne in a shorter distance than the DA50

@kirkwilliams4942 11 месяцев назад

I'd buy DA50 if it had a chute.

@Irontrucker 7 месяцев назад

RV 10 for the win lol

@abhishek-vlog3550 Год назад

Where is Piper M350

@kirkwilliams4942 11 месяцев назад

The Diaomnd a way better aircraft though.

@TheEclectic Год назад

Diamond prices are ridiculous

@smxero4986 Год назад

Superenalotto

@nxfedlt1 2 года назад

Da50 is the worst. Engine is TBR not TBO. Heavy. Extremely slow based on the POH numbers. No baggage door. Oh, and the "wonderful" support from diamond. Buyer beware.

@guntherd.2005 2 года назад

All depends on how price of replacement compares to full overhaul of a turbocharged SR22 engine. But Continental does need to extend TBR hours on their CD-series to make them more competitive.

@MAGApepe 2 года назад

diamonds are better overall,,, but there is no customer support in upgrading the avionics ,, so after 15 years or so you plane is junk and worth nothing

@Direct_and_Honoust 2 года назад

Why would that be? Look at airplanes over 80 years with newer avionics, enough third party that can handle the upgrade the avionics for you

@MAGApepe 2 года назад

@@Direct_and_Honoust it wont be legal if diamond does not approve anything that you want to put in them

@Direct_and_Honoust 2 года назад

@@MAGApepe but what would they care after 15 years, you said so, if the equipment is certified who is Diamond to not agree?

@MAGApepe 2 года назад

@@Direct_and_Honoust problem with 3rd equipment is that it has to be certified for each make and model and alot of times its not the one ppl own ,, it cost alot of time and money to do this for these companies .. and after all that,, the makers of the plane are certified for the equipment that they put in it,, its not like a car that you can just use whatever fits ,, even newer software has to be approved ,, even changing items if you could sometime cost more than what the plane is worth,,,150k plus etc

@Direct_and_Honoust 2 года назад

@@MAGApepe Well, under the FAA rules where Diamond has its FAA certification owners of the aircraft can change certain avionics if it is to old or newer avionics are available that has advance technology what can bring lesser workload, more reliable and a safer flight, but it need to be don by a certified mechanic: Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)). The approved unit must be designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, and operational check must be performed in accordance with the applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter. (32) Updating self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted Air Traffic Control (ATC) navigational software data bases (excluding those of automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)) provided no disassembly of the unit is required and pertinent instructions are provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, an operational check must be performed in accordance with applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter.

@halimtalafuka9946 2 года назад

Hari Rabu.Tgl.2/3/2022/.Halim Talafuka,Allahumma Amiin.@$#

@Amayi1 Год назад

SMH... Why, are you referring to these piston planes as jets??

@EddysReviews 2 года назад

Just imagine the DA50 was compared to the SR22 which beat it hands down and The older brother the SR22T which is realistically more comparable to the DA50, Just imagine how much better it is. Cirrus all day 👌

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

The DA-50 is Diamond's oddball. The DA-40 is so much more bang for the buck. Their twins seem good, too, although I don't bother looking at twins, 'cause double the operating cost for, well, not a whole lot of advantage

@j.wagner8639 Год назад

Diamond is awesome, but ridiculously overpriced

@Factory400 2 года назад

DA50 is too slow and with modest range for the price. It is nice and flys well, but without speed and range.....it is a terrible value. Cirrus is a little better, but after becoming a Chinese company it is totally off my list.

@Matt-xu3lb 2 года назад

Diamond Aircraft is also a Chinese owned company and was purchase by Wengfeng Industries in 2017.

@Factory400 2 года назад

@@Matt-xu3lb Uhgggg....

@royt9227 2 года назад

Not to mention Icon5... and Glasair...and...( to be continued )

@EddysReviews 2 года назад

It’s a waste of money to buy the DA50, that same money can even get you a DA62 which has 2 engines.

@karga2tilki 2 года назад

Good comparison... but do not name it "Jets". This is ridiculous.

@44hawk28 27 дней назад

A couple of things, please narrate this video with somebody who knows what they're talking about. As for the flight deck in both of these aircraft, there is no aircraft that I have ever seen that actually has a flight deck in it. A flight deck is something you land on on an aircraft carrier, I don't care how many people wine cry bitching complain about the word, the word is cockpit

@jimd421 7 дней назад

Stop calling them jetd...

@ctn830 2 года назад

No comparison. The DA-50 is far superior

@nxfedlt1 2 года назад

In what way?

@ctn830 2 года назад

@@nxfedlt1 every way

@nxfedlt1 2 года назад

@@ctn830 please name one. Also are you a pilot? UL is worse, range is worse, speed is worse, maintenance is worse, price is worse, storage issues are worse, baggage is worse.....whats better on the Diamond again?