When Bow (Tracee Ellis Ross) and Dre (Anthony Anderson) realize Diane (Marsai Martin) isn’t lit properly in her class photo, a challenging conversation about skin complexion arises. Watch black-ish Tuesdays at 9|8c on ABC.
Yeah. But I think the writer was trying to imply what some dark skin people hear. Growing up I heard that a lot in school by other black kids. In high school they said my boyfriend and I looked like a good couple because we were both dark skin. As an adult I've heard this from guys as well..."I usually date light skin women but you're pretty for a dark skin woman." Sadly, it's something that I've heard multiple times.
Marsai is the product having the kind of parents who chose to provide HOME SCHOOLING as a building block. this style of formal education has allowed Marsai to get acquainted and secure with herself in how and what she learns rather than being mired in and distracted by forced conformity, calamitous benign neglect, cognitive dissonance, etc. there's very little legitimate salubrious diversity in the american education system, especially for children of colour. ijs
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I GOT WITH AN AFRICAN TO GET A DARK SKIN BABY THAT SMOOTH SHINY BLACK SKIN I WANTED MY DAUGHTER TO HAVE IT. When we watched this episode together I said do u suffer from that she said no cause she light skinned conpared to her african side she laughed and then said plus you tell me all the time you wanted a chocolate baby and tell me how perfect my skin all my life all u do is brag about my dark skin and being around the africans she never felt to dark I didn't realize how much I put in her I always liked chocolate girls it was these twins with perfect skin and eyelashes in 3rd grade all the way up to highschool it was so black and shiny and i wanted it i used to sit in the sun and put on cocoa butter but you wanna know why i wanted to be dark cause where i grew up LIGHT SKINNED GIRLS GOT TEASED they got they hair cut off they got beat up So sad but true i was scared to get to light but now i just embrace my brown skin
t v Nope. Sorry. Its ALL RACES..All cultures. Everywhere. asians, east indians, Africans, dominican rep, latinx, europeans, americans, everyfuckingbody.. The disdain for darker skin (on women and girls in particular) is a worldwide pandemic my friend.
I'm a dark skinned woman with a mixed race daughter. Family members who had no time for me are falling over themselves to get to my baby. She's pale with straight hair. I know they are glad she doesn't look like me. Colourism is real. I spent my teenage years using nail polish remover trying to scrub my skin off. I wish I had been as smart and strong as Diane.
@@smilealwaysnatasha3423 I was just about to say that. Sounds like she had some deep self-hate issues. Like when she realized she can't be white, she went after a white guy and had a mixed child. Same thing happened to my co worker. She said she grew up in a white neighborhood and got bullied and made fun of by whites. But ironically... she prefers white men and went and found a white husband. Very odd, right? You would think the opposite. But yea... they dont see the self-hate, most of us don't unfortunately.. Therapy is what is needed.
you know after 5 season I think I'm finally starting to understand Diane the reason why she's so harsh majority of the time it is because she trying to figure out who she is
*sigh* It took a lot of years to unpick all the bullshit people on me because I was darker. Just trying to blend in with neutral natural colours, now you can’t keep me away from bright colours
I would too. I have high functioning autism and it makes me feel different and different is a good thing. It is sad she said she didn't want to be different.
A show this woke lasted this long on TV. Im impressed. These conversations are divisive, but needed. Wish the Latin community would do the same. Alot of colorism there too.
DRO NOYB - Been to Mexico, Ecuador, Guatemala, and Venezuela ( before the empty shelves and economic downfall) and its horrible the way they treat dark skinned and indigenous peoples!! I actually witnessed a woman tell an indigenous woman to sit in the back of the bus. True story unfortunately.
@@deenabee6279 I've been to several South American countries as well and trust me, I know how you feel. I felt very uncomfortable with the looks I got in some places. Mixed race couples aren't looked too highly upon either.
Well, there is truth to that. Mostly what they're talking about is skin tone and whether or not you're warm or cool. If you have yellow or blue undertone. There are some colors you should flat out not wear. They drown you out.
My mom and I watched this together and she started crying and hugging me for 30 minutes asking me if I ever felt that way and I told her "All my life". I'm 30 and the darkest in my family and some of my own family members would call me "blackie". This has always hurt me especially when it came to my siblings and I going to the same school and being told that I couldn't be related to my lighter siblings because we didn't look the same, also being told my guys that my sisters were cuter than me because of their complexion. I have grown to love my skin and I'm soooo glad that something like this exists to teach everyone, dark or light, how unknowingly cruel the world can be.
As a lightskin teenager, I’m really disappointed and disgusted with how you family would called you blackie. Black woman is all shades of beautiful and I’m sad that even our black culture is tearing and seperating all of us apart. We are all one and should stick together as such. We have so much variety of shades and they are all poppin, periodT!
I also hate how black men degrades darker skin tones and praises lighter and whiter skin tones. Don’t get me wrong, preferences are okay but not in a way where we degrade and put down other races because they aren’t our type. Even African American women put darker complexions down even though this is a sisterhood. We are all in this together but make other women or men want to bleach their skins to get approval and accepted? LaND oF ThE FreE my butt.....
I'm glad that moment happened with ur mom that u felt like someone understood ur pain, I wish I cud hav that with my parents. I am also that sibling, and I understand how family can be harsh. ❤ glad you grew from it. Honestly feel hurt what u went through.
I came here to say the same thing! My daughter is 10 also and this episode hit home because her complexion is darker than the rest of her siblings and my husband and I... but to see her so naturally love her skin makes me happy
@wambuikomu oh no😔 honestly, it took a little bit (and this was a few years ago) where there was a video they gave a white doll and a black doll to kids as an experiment, and then asked questions like "which one is good? pretty? nice? Which one is mean? Bad? Ugly?".... pretty much all of them chose the white doll for all the good traits and the black doll for the bad traits, even some of the black kids. My daughter started crying and said "nobody thinks we're beautiful and nobody thinks we're good enough" and it broke my heart. So since she was into princesses, I showed her video after video of successful and beautiful women through the years.... royalty, movie stars, etc. She's also a science buff so when I explained melanin to her, and that its the reason we often look younger and more beautiful as we age, and that the fact that she has more of it means that she'll be beautiful for longer lol she thought that was cool. We also talked about how people use the idea of colorism only because they want to feel superior to others, even when they're not. There is also a cute book to help reinforce and encourage our girls called "dark skin in the mirror".
One thing I will say is if family or anyone she loves ever says anything about her skin that she takes in a negative way even if it's a joke, that can make her not like it cause kids are smart and know the real meaning, if you have anyone in your family that does that you might want to check them, I've noticed older people are worse with it. If they ever hear someone complain about their color that will make them think it's something wrong with theirs too. They say when you don't like something about yourself and a kid heard it they take on your problems, I was trying to lose weight and complaining about my stomach and next I knew my little girl thought she should too so never complain about physical looks, not saying that you do though.When she was little I would compliment everything including her skin color, and when we would see someone like angela bassett, lupita nyongo or gabrielle union on tv I would say yall have the same beautiful skin color, there is also this youtuber being neicey that has a very similar color to her and she always talks about she loves her skin and she does natural hair videos. Last summer she took swim classes and got very dark and one person in the store said something like you must be in the sun a lot looks like youve gotten a tan because you could see the swimsuit marks on her arm, and she looked at the lady and said thanks cause she was loving someone noticed. I think if you love it she will too my family always tells her how flawless smooth and beautiful her skin is because it really is it like glows. The good thing is she's young so there is time to see how beautiful she is and the fact that you even asked shows that your a good mom, I know that was really long but I hope it helps.
@@jasminepearls1047 That is true, but people are out here telling black people that they can't wear red lipstick in general. I sympathize with this clip because I was told plenty of times that I could not wear red lipstick. Now that I have tried it is my favorite lip color, the brighter the better. :)
I watched this episode last night and it was extremely powerful and well written...great performances by the entire cast...this show continues to raise the bar and Marsai Martin is without a doubt, one of the best younger actresses on television right now...the sky's the limit with this young lady
I love her character. This is the story of my life. I'm the darkest in my family. I was the only Black person in my school. I was always the best friend, never the girlfriend. I was always "cute for a dark-skinned girl". I loved that Diane stood up for herself ❤️❤️
i work at ulta and all the white girls there were always confused whenever i said i know nothing about foundation until i told them “why should i learn about it when products will never have my shade”. Dark skin problems 😔
Asians have to deal with this colorism too. I'm Asian and when I was a kid I heard some Asian kids in my school talked about Asian people with dark skin will most of time won't be treated fairly. Asian people with light skin will get better treatment. Asian people don't talk much about colorism either. I remember some of my Asian friends said that their parents made them eat white rice b/c it will give them lighter skin. Their parents didn't let them eat brown rice so their kids won't have darker skin. Also their parents bought skin cream from Asia to put it on my friends to have lighter skin. I have kinda light tan-ish skin and all my life people thought that I was Latin or mixed race of Asian, Latin or white and none of that wasn't true. They said that I don't look full Asian b/c of my skin and my features. My family and relatives have light skin to light tan-ish skin. I still sure colorism is an issue for Asians too. We don't talk much about it, basically Asian people don't talk about anything with emotions or how we feel on any topics. We just act like we are tough people and we don't have any problems. Deep down we do have emotions and problems, but we have to hide it. I think now young Asian generation are speaking up on colorism and anything.
I'm happy the new generation Asians are becoming more vocal on issues, especially colorism. The white worship I see from Asians saddens me. I saw a beautiful Asian girl getting rid of her nice eye folds to look more "Western". If they are more vocal for rights and representation, maybe they can find the beauty in Asian features.
I also do see some Asians, but mainly some Asian girls do that to their eyes and dye their hair blonde or light brown. I don't know...maybe they don't find themselves beautiful or Asian people aren't attractive? I do hear and experience that Asians, especially Asian guys aren't attractive. I guess that's why some Asians change their Asian features to look more Western. It's kinda sad to see that.
@@entertainmentstarz1 most non-whites have bad PR. Whites set the standards because they pillaged and conquered the world. If Asians did the same, everyone would try to look Asian. If Africans conquered, the world would try to look African. We all just need to keep that in mind that there is beauty in every group, even if it's not in media. Asian men like black women suffer from bad PR. It wasn't until I went to college that I found out most Asian men aren't nerdy, awkward, and effeminate. I met some really attractive and outgoing Asian men! I wish white media could show images like that more often. Just like the image of black women as loud, ghetto, mean, promiscuous etc; is not representative of most black women I knew, yet people tend to assume I'm that way until they get to know me. Media powerful and can affect people's perception of you and control opportunities for jobs, dating etc;. That's why every group must fight for positive representation.
This made me cry when I saw it on Hulu. When I got work I cried thinking about it. I watched it last night and cried. Watching it now and crying. I was Diane. I was the darkest girl in my family. Ive been told im pretty for my complexion. Ive bee ridculed by my famil. By friends. As if my darkness is something to be ashamed off. I was singled out because my friends were lighter than me when we went out. Ive always loved being dark skinned though. Ive always looked for girls like me on tv. So I cry because little girls that are like me have a Diane to watch every week they have a Tika Sumpter. A Danai Guarai . A Lupita. That beautiful black girl from Star. Gabby Sidobhe and they arent the background. They arent the steretype. They just are..... because we exist and it is so beautiful.
i think they can probably pull it off better i love dark rich tones on my nails and lips i feel like its something woman of darker complextion have always been told and its a lie.....red is for everyone!!!
Meh, red is such a hard color to pull off, especially when you're either really dark or really pale. You're supposed to wear subdued colors, because they match better. I have really pale skin, and bright red looks awful on me.
I can relate to Diane as I was in similar situations as her too. It's something we don't talk about but my husband and I had that conversation since he's mixed (white, black, Filipino, Jamaican). Our experiences with colorism made us understand each other more. I love my chocolate skin and it's important that we teach our children about self-love.
Carly Schindler - similar thing happened to me and I was super shocked. But it was a latino family. Me and my husband were living on a mitary base and our neighbors were Puerto Rican. They were both light/white looking. But their kids were dark. I was talking to the mom and she said to me after I met her daughter (yes she said this to a black person!!) "She's almost the perfect daughter - except she's so dark..what a shame" WHO SAYS THAT?!?!? Her daughter was beautiful, excellent student, well mannered. She was perfect just as she was, as God made her -Period. If her daughter was so flawed bc of her darker latina complexion then what was I as her black neighbor - the loch ness monster? I still can't believe that till this day.
@@deenabee6279 You should have said something after your shock. I'm learning to say stuff in the moment to people who say or do things I don't like. At least they are going to be in disbelief and not just you.
This is so real, and I've been there. One of the few in my family whose darker. My father used to tell me, "You're not black, you're Indian", which hurt me because I'm both and other things as well. But, thanks to my mom and other strong black women in my life, I learned the differentiation between some of my family and I as well as peers is what makes me who I am. Furthermore, what's entwined into this toffee skin is culture, great history, and victory. **Edit: My dad is still learning, but can overall celebrate me in regard to my skin tone and hair texture, which is another topic we need to continue to discuss - there's no such thing as "good hair".
So many movies and tv shows are so quick to spout that “different is good!” message, but very rarely do they actually go into the complex emotions that come with being dark-skinned or gay or disabled etc
“It’s everyone I talk to” 😂😂😂ik this scene is emotional but that skit had me dying when she looked at the camera n was “like ik this lady did not just say that to me😂”
They need stop type casting Diane’s character as aggressive mean, manipulative. They would never do this to zoeys character. I would love to see a story line with her dating a boy and being feminine. I would never have my Young dark skin daughter watch the show. They The gag is that the show in itself is colorist. The light skin mixed love interest. Like we haven’t seen that before....
While I understand why you say this, I don’t want them to do that with diane’s character. That’s what I love about her character. It makes her so funny and interesting. She has me cracking up. The episode when she got her period was hilarious 😂. However I have enough common sense to know that this isn’t a default character trait of dark skin people. If anything I think they dialed down the character traits over the seasons. But I understand why you say that though.
I don’t see it that way. I just figured Diane was practicing to be a really smooth business owner some day! She’s got Grandma Ruby’s cold hearted ways...I always saw her as smart!!! I think she’s funny because she messes with people’s heads like Damien from the “Omen.”
And I’m saying this as a brown skinned female whose sisters are all fair. I don’t see it that way! Diane has got serious skills and she’s a BOSS already!!
This is a great message to put in the show for young black girls out there. Every black girl is beautiful where you’re light skinned or dark skinned. I love Diane btw 😊💕
I felt so bad for Diane in this episode, but it was Ruby speaking about her childhood that almost me in tears. Flipping through that album and talking about not being allowed to play in the front yard with her lighter-skinned cousins... Her pain was so real. If anything, that moment deserved all the awards. As an Indian person living in South Africa, I can relate to colourism in our communities, but this was done so beautifully. Well done to everyone on the team for opening up this topic for discussion
I absolutely luv the confidence given to Dianne's character AND its evident in the young lady Marsai Martin has become. We can look forward to her bright on/off screen future 🤩
As a dark skin Afro Latina I 100% get this. Til this day I stay away from colors like olive green and maroon because my mother drilled it into me that girls my complexion shouldn’t wear dark colors because “I’d look six shades blacker”
Honestly, they tell lighter black skinned people that they arent” black” then tell dark skinned people that they are to dark or ugly . Make up y’all’s mind
I was about to cry. I’ve always been the darkest one out of all me 4 siblings and my family used to say to my mom « why is she so dark compared to her brothers and sisters?! » but my mom always Tom me that I was beautiful the way I was and I don’t feel bad about it but all my friend are like always saying that light skinned girls are prettier so🤷🏾♀️
MAIT Mait I’m sorry sorry you had to experience that. Iv never experienced colorism (and never really will) but I really want you to know how beautiful dark skin is regardless of what anyone else has to say about that. It’s a shame our society works this way. Sending you peace and love ❤️
Julie Perez in fact it is a shame. But I’ve learned to live with it and now I don’t feel sad anymore. Thank you for your support 💛☺️ The world needs more humans like you !
It’s very interesting because her skin color and the person who plays her twin skin color is not drastically different. She isn’t even really “dark skin” she is more medium toned. And was drastically lighter than the person who told her women like us don’t wear red lol.
People r different at perceiving skin tones, I'm also mid-brown skinned. Sum ppl c me as lighter skin. Sum think I have darker skin. My cuz is also quite a lot darker than me too, she said I'm dark. I'm lighter than my nephew, he thinks I'm dark too whereas other ppl have a different opinion about my skin. Colourism is defo an issue for all shades! I can't b brown I'm either 1 or the other to ppl
I'm anxious to go back and watch this episode because I missed it the other night. I hope it is explained to Diane that sometimes people's DNA sometimes reaches back and grabs the skin-tone of a past ancestor which I guess is sometimes viewed as a "recessive gene". I seen it in lots of families...even in my own. My dad had seven brothers and four sisters and all of them are light-skinned like my grandmother and grandfather except for one of my uncles who is dark-skinned but he has the same facial features as the rest of the siblings.
Can we also talk about black males who purposefully have children with women of any other race, bi-racial, or light skinned just so that their kid will have lighter complexion and/or wavy hair? I see it all the time. Ive noticed more dark skinned women are doing this too. I think it’s because we lack opportunities to be with black males but you never know.
This shit hit home. So real and honest ... Society would have you believing dark is ugly. And if your not strong enough, you'll agree. It's the opposite and I wouldn't change for anything. I'm glad this show is bringing colorism up in conversation
Marsai Martin, the world is yours. I can't wait for this girl to get the recognition that the bi-racial actresses (I forgot their names) are getting. If she doesn't, it will prove all that we have been saying regarding colorism especially with Black women.
I always wanted to be darker because my mom was and she was beautiful. That was my idea of beauty, darker skin. My eyes still gravitate towards darker skin because of its beauty. 😍
As a dark skin man myself I can relate. It was tough growing up but at least we had Wesley Snipes who made it cool to be dark. Kids these days will have their own role models
Growing up my grandmother showered my cousins with attention. My cousins were light skin, green eyes. We we're dark skin, black hair. My grandma would tell my mother that we looked dirty all the time. (Bc of our skin tone). My beautiful mother cursed her out and we never said her again. My grandma was a mean shrew of woman. Lol
I actually understand how she feels... like I’m dark and so is my mum but I feel darker than her and people make fun of me... She is such amazing actors thank you blackish for doing this scene
The bandaid thing got me when I was like 3. I didn’t think bandaids were actually intended to be “skin colored” until I saw them on light skin children.
My mother is dark skin and no cap I’ve always wanted to look like her . I think she is one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen. However my family calls me red bone and used to say shit like “girl you getting dark you need to stay outta the sun” never changed my perspective on my mom it made me love darker skin women. That shit could’ve made me hate my own moms skin. Gotta be careful what you say to kids
Ell Cally The darkest main character, Diane, is aggressive and evil. The lightest, junior, is soft, nerdy, less masculine. The father figure is a joke and buffoon with emotional instability because of an absent father. The list goes on. This show is a joke.
As a light skin girl myself, I did not know about this issue until last year. I've always loved dark skin girls and their beautiful chocolate skin... If anybody who is dark skinned is out here reading this, you are beautiful! 💛
Shes just a darker shade of brown. Look like she just been in the sun more than her family. When it comes to Tika Sumpter, now thats a Chocolate Goddess.
Honestly I was excited for this ep, turned out wack. How come bow never admitted that light skin privilege is an actual thing. It’s not only an intra-community issue.
metimez300 I agree. As many times as the show does flashbacks of both parents' backstories Bow didn't have a memory where she recounts being treated better than a dark-skinned acquaintance/friend/family member of hers or witnessed a dark-skinned person being insulted because of her dark skin.
I have the same thing. My mom is dark skinned and my dad is light skinned. I’m kinda in the middle but when i’m with my mom’s family i’m the lightest and when i’m with my dad’s family i’m the darkest.
I haven't seen this show in a while but I'm surprised how grown up this young actress is. On another note, I'm white and I had no idea that there was this kind of issue within the black community. I'm glad that the writers are confident enough to go into detail about these sort of social issues that many people are ignorant of, myself included.
She is a teen. She is not grown up. I don't see a logical reason for people wanting girls to be so much older than they are. She will be an adult soon enough. She is still a teen, so just relax.
(I know im 4 year late) but please dont take any serious info from this show, yes they have the general idea right, but you have to understand that this is entertainment and halfway true(black-ISH) and the writer and creator of this show is colorist himself so this episode only surface level, pls do actual research
I'm not dark skinned but I'm also to dark to be called light skinned but I have faced colourism to the point that I wished I was another skin tone. I have been made fun of because of my lighter skin and yet I'm forced to guilty that I am lighter skin because darker skinned people are marginalized. We as the black community need to stop insulting people no matter what their black skin tone is and start accepting we are all beautiful.
This episode sparked a whole family phone tree conversation in my family. I got real and it got deep. I can't say we fully where we need to be but we not where we used to be.
She was so cute with her beautiful dimpled smile & now she's coming up as she gets older. I can see this girl being an Amazing serious actress like Angela Bassett. Yara Shahidi (older sister on the show) got a lot of attention (she looks exactly like her mom except lighter, shes a commercial actress). Yara has Hollywood ties due to her dad being a photographer too. He was Prince's personal photographer & she knew him well. I think she's good but I don't see her as serious, more comedic. I can't wait to see how "Diane" blossoms in this industry. This clip here is really moving. She's Great already!
Colorism at its finest. Red lipstick looks bomb on dark cocoa skin. Heck brights look amazing on us. I totally understand this child, I wasn't like that when it pertained to my skin color, only my weight. 😑😔
I need to see this entire episode. I feel something was missing, though I’m glad her mom told her all skin tones were beautiful, I wanted her specifically to say to Diane that HER skin tone was beautiful, and that anyone saying otherwise was incredibly ignorant and wrong.
I don’t see any problem with the term “brown skin” if we agree that blacks can come in various shades then you agree that not everyone is just light or dark, some people are in between and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean they’re tryna day they are better than dark skins, they just aren’t considered dark. Yes, there are brown skins who are on the darker end of the spectrum but that is all apart of coming in various shades.
I know just how diane feels. there are times that i feel insecure about my skin colour, at times im envious of the lighter skinned black people i see. That there are times i wish i was just a bit lighter in completion. But i love the way i am. For those of you who feel insecure about your skin colour. Think again.
I love it show I know my parents made me ashamed of my dark skin by making me use fade cream. Thanks for bringing my pain to TV but made me more proud of my beautiful skin.
