Did A TikToker Solve The Zodiac Killer Case?? 

IM THE SECOND LIKE LETS GOOO

yes

Yes please!

yes!

I would love a podcast of these deep dive cases!!❤

My thoughts exactly, especially when he taunts the police as if he was there himself. Could be a "watching from a distance" thing, but that's my idea

YES

The Golden State Killer worked for the police too. He evaded capture for over 40 years.

Reminded me a lot of the Golden State Killer

A real life Dexter situation

It’s passive aggressive talk lol, also that’s concerning

​@@PenguinBloxYT shut let him have this

@@Kw33n_katt :(

@@PenguinBloxYTShhh shhh, let em have this. They said it's the first time.

@@kekebean6596 Ok

I was thinking the same thing about that smile. It’s so quick that it’s easy to miss but he definitely enjoyed looking back on it too much

can i know at what timestamp 😭

about 48:44 to 48:46, from what i can tell.

@@nurmursyidah3199 at about 48:41 he starts talking about it, the smile is definitely there

💯 I'm 100000 percent sure on that.

Worth noting both the first locations are very close to each other. Lake Hermon road ends walking distance from blue rock park.

I did too!

To be fair, that’s a pretty good excuse

@@MadD0g_08 not really because he can still go after at day time also....

@@dreameva1400 also true

fr lol

Frr😂

So true, but Don’t give away the secrets… we want them caught

Strong disagree. People who use snapchat are incapable of becoming serial killers due to a vast lack of neurons in their brain. They'd be caught after their first homicide

Fr

I was thinking about that aswell

Yeah, he could be just exposed these few just to fuck with the cops

It's fairly common for serial murderers to lie about the actual number of victims because it keeps "the game" going. It keeps people talking about them and law enforcement engaged.

I was thinking that myself

Untill ❤

Saves me writing this..thanks

He probably was since he enjoyed writing poems. I suspect that people who like poems like me also tend to like operas since both are a weird way of expressing oneself.

And wore an executioners hooded cape.

Well light opera/musical comedy. Not high brow serious opera.

Stereotypically speaking, aren't all serial killers a fan of opera/classical music and stuff? and/or literature? It just seems like most well known serial killers seem to admire Opera, Classical, Shakespeare & CO., and poetry...😅

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I've never heard that word used that way. Did they mean loitering?

Why would there be children on lovers lane? That's a teen/adult thing

@@FoxExcessjuvenile division is what he worked juvenile = kid/teenager

damnnnnn yeah thats good

Not necessarily, serial killers/ arsonists often either stay on/near the scene or they go back to the scene of the crime

There would be plenty of handwriting samples from Richard Hoffman's file and work records to compare with the zodiac's letters. Also, if he was calling in to his own place of work, plenty of people would have recognized his voice. Voices are very distinctive. And from the recording of the killer's call to the police station there appears not to have been an attempt to disguise his voice. Finally, Nebraska is a state, an entire state. What town did Richard Hoffman come from, and which did the victim come from? These kinds of details should be put on the table before rampant speculation about "how police talk".

​@@noelbecker7002Yes but it does lend credence to how he could easily chat her up and win over her undeserved confidence.

​...I thought his voice sounded intentionally altered

I remember that!!! I laughed til I cried. Someone at the news station wasn't shit.

Omg this! This was AMAZING 😂

"i wasn't even born then" is something a vampire would say

Same joke more than once is cringe. But funny the first time (:

​@@Onmy47s"Same joke more than once is cringe" is exactly what a cringe would say

I think the same. Usually, serial killers have an MO, but these killings were very different imo. Points to multiple killers.

“Hot head”

I didn't realize it was her till she started talking.

The way she curls and styles her hair in other videos with bangs is really pretty too. Red is just such a nice color on her, with her eyes. Complementary.

1 billion%. I'm absolutely jealous.

They're beautifully done extentions. She had short hair one week. And this the next.

I thought she said she was nailing it?!?...😊

Totally said she was nailing it. But calling herself an alien would have been more on brand, I think 🤣

She said she was nailing it but it would be very funny if she said she was an alien.

She did say she was a alien-she also said she was nailing it after that

i think she said "nailed it"

Get on it!

@KR0615 I wish. I've always found the whole case so interesting. Honestly I'd best surprised if they still have all his reports and lots on file though.

Maybe he did all that when off duty on his personal vehicle.

That answers some of what I wondered, but in 1968, '69, etc... how did they know if the report was honest? Could they track the car and where it went? Would somebody so f---ed up to be a killer, tell the truth about use of force? I probably just don't understand how it all works but it just seems none of that could be trusted from somebody out there killing people. He's lying almost throughout his whole life. I don't think the killings were ever done with a patrol car around. If he was off-duty, then I can see being at least a time when he cold have done the murders, but he could just make up some story about where he was. As a cop, he might even be dismissed more readily than others. It happens.

@nowhereman8656 typically in a use of force more than one cop shows up, and people see it. Obviously he can lie on reports, but even when lying on a report it has to make sense with what other officers write. As for tracking it, I'm not 100% sure. Now in patrol cars and our ambulances we have a device that tracks our location, speed, braking, turning, etc. We also use a fuel log. So we enter the vehicle number, vehicle mileage, and how much we put in, then get a receipt from the gas station to attach to it. Now it's all done at our county pumps where we still enter that info. What would get him is his radio. When you key up on the radio the radio kinda goes to the closest tower/repeater so the signal will "hit" that and transmit to other repeaters and towers. Technicians or whoever they are can look and see what radio number pinged at that tower.

And mostly because of his incredible detail, flow of speech, and the way his eyes move when he’s speaking. I think I believe him

Same.

This one is interesting. I am going to check out his tiktoks. Am curious if shoe size was ever mentioned.

I grew up in Benicia. My dad died in 1977 and of course the Zodiac was never heard of again. So I would tease my siblings out dad was the Zodiac.

​@@aftertheheadlines 😅

That’s been a theory since the beginning

Cool

You and your freind tried solving a Cold case the pros couldn’t solve 💀

It sounds like quite a fun thing to do ​@@Cool_Beans-f5d

Even if they failed who knows they might've solved it, trying doesn't hurt and it's fun 🤡​@@Cool_Beans-f5d

He's obviously someone who is particular and needs to be in control

It seems like he wants to keep his "scores" even. Sorta like how collectors like to have odd or even amount of whatever they collect.IDK tho, just me being dumb lol

Maybe it’s because he talked about them being slaves in the afterlife he thinks they can reproduce in some sorta way and then he would have more slaves.

We stan a non-gender biased king (kidding kidding)

​@@kileyB2080 Literally what I was about to comment lol

That was absolutely Creepy!!

It's so clear to omg

Omg 😳. I didn’t see that the first time. Creepy af.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that caught that! It almost looks like someone reliving the experience, like you hear about some serial killers do when they reflect on their trophies.

He's a strange guy for sure, and it all makes for an interesting read. It's unlikely he's Zodiac though. For one, Nancy Slover would've easily recognized his voice.

So it's like there's a little Zodiac in all of us?

@@RJiiFinso real

FR LIKE WHAT THE HECK

A skill I could never have😢

@@HannahBroadwayStar I need her hair care routine 😭😭

I’d be jealous if I wasn’t a dude. A lot of women are jealous of me because I have sexy lashes

I am absolutely loving the long hair arc.

Yeah Brian

Similar to Jack the Ripper. I don't think this will ever be solved without a shadow of doubt.

my thought was that it could be several people working together

Yeah there are few sketches of 'Arthur Leigh Allen'

Yeah, every few years we go through this exact scenario. I'm pretty old and Ive heard this story several times now. "I know who the zodiac killer is!!! It's a deceased family member of mine!!"

Ppl who believe that sht that is on tiktok are beyond dumb

It seems unlikely, but we're sort of approaching infinite monkeys typing Shakespeare with the amount of those videos.

It wasn't solved, he's another nobody screaming into the void about shit he knows nothing about.

Tiktok and those who use it are Insufferable

He prob has a disorder. Hence why hes gettin overly emotional and his emotions are bursting out. Thats how it feels to get anything out (adhd here)... But noticing those similarities would be mind blowing.. i wouldnt expect him to be calm about it

Or if you are a police officer and see criminals misspell words constantly, then you try to imitate the same thing to throw the police off. I wonder if he misspelled anything on purpose that he did not misspell in any of the other letters.

@@xintoc he misspelled words to make his very simple cipher, harder to decode. It’s really that simple, and you can tell this from the fact that the misspelled words often appear more than once and not always misspelled. Obviously he might then also just misspell words, or make small errors in his coded message, that is very common when you arent used to making codes.

I scrolled down to see if anyone else noticed the decided non-random nature of the misspellings. I hadn't noticed the patterns you did (I'll have to go back and look at it now, dang it!), but I did notice something else. ZK seemed to misspell the wrong words. He got easy ones wrong and more complex ones right, which sounds like someone trying to mislead investigators as to his level of education, if nothing else. It was a foolish effort, really, as some of his sentences were almost as complex as mine, and his punctuation was correct.

I love the way you say …evil piece of sheeeit. 😂❤

​@@Pawsk If it was Hoffman it's more than likely just bad spelling, as there wasn't any issues with the maths in the ciphers, the issues were with the spelling, which didnt have any bearing over how well the ciphers could be decoded If it had there would likely be parts that couldn't be decoded, but there weren't Dude just can't spell, but he's very good at maths, which really does lend itself well to the theory that it was Hoffman

Sure, but this one looks convincing, what do you think?

I was just gonna say, someone needs to insert the old Geico saying "everybody knows that", because I'm pretty sure I've heard reports of, "some kid said his grandfather was the zodiac killer" like a year ago😅.

Same, I was obsessed with the Zodiac Killer for years and wanted to learn everything I could about them. Huge propers for writing a report and eventually book on this.

bahahqh

True, but somebody’s grandpa had to be the zodiac so it’s possible! One way or another, that monster had/has family. I do think this one is worth investigating though.

yeah almost as if it were planned in a way ( ;

Reminds me of those pics of news presenters who look exactly like police sketches,

Don’t swear on things if you are a Christian

😢

Then, she says, "I wasn't even born yet. " 🤣😂😅😁

My question though is those 2 cops walked right past a man who they think may have actually been the zodiac (when they had been misinformed about what race they should be looking for). Surely they'd have recognised a fellow police officer. Also the whole police precinct surely would have recognised Richards voice when he called in? I like the theory but there are lots of unanswered questions. I'll be keeping an eye out for updates at least

@@hannahansley8654it’s because that police force is corrupted. Look up that police station it would not be the first time they over looked someone.

​@@hannahansley8654 To be fair, the 2 Officers that believed they might have passed the Zodiac, could just be a coincidence. They didn't learn till afterwards that the description they had was wrong and then they had to think back and recollect on what they saw that night and an extremely vague description of a white male isn't a lot to go off of, that could really be anyone and not necessarily the killer. So that's kind of a stretch to begin with. Also, it could just be a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, in that the guy that the Cops saw could have been the right guy that matches the description that was given by witnesses of who they saw in the area around that time but still doesn't mean that he's the Zodiac. And as for the other Cops not recognizing Richard's voice, could be for a few different reasons. One being that their minds simply wouldn't allow them to make that connection. It's not always easy for people to see the ugly truth, even when it's right in front of them and especially when it's someone that they personally know and are close to. People don't like to believe or admit to themselves when they've been fooled, especially by someone in their inner circle. So I imagine that these Officers couldn't even fathom that it could be one of their own doing these heinous acts and then taunting them with it. Denial and willful ignorance are powerful tricks of the mind. It's also possible that one, or more, of the Officers did pick up on the voice and suspected that it sounded like Richard but without any concrete proof, you don't just go around accusing your fellow Officers of being a serial killer. Another plausible reason could be that he altered his voice when he made those calls to purposely disguise his voice, just like someone can disguise their handwriting to avoid being identified. Also, it's not uncommon for people to sound dramatically different over the phone, especially when you consider the technology they were working with back in the late 60's and early 70's. So it's certainly possible that could be the reason no one picked up on it. Regardless, I definitely wouldn't write him off as a suspect due to those points as they are easily explainable and circumstantial at best. And simply judging by the evidence presented in this video, I'd say there's certainly more evidence potentially linking him to the case than not.

@sashabenoit1518 You need to start a blog or channel. You eloquently cover things, and have well thought out sentences; get it babydoll!!! 💞

@@sashabenoit1518 I think you might have missed the point of the question. The two officers were walking the same street the suspect was traveling. They passed him without realizing they were looking for the wrong individual. However, if the suspect was a fellow officer, the two would be able to recall seeing him, specifically. Even if they did not think he was involved what so ever. They were in search mode, not crisis/disaster mode. I am not a fan of the, "He knew how to evade police so he clearly was one!" theory. It ignores the equally probable theory that the killer was related to, or good friends with, an officer.

I’m from Santa Rosa. Same here. Our parents wouldnt even let us outside without them with us.

Kind of like how cops radio in crimes and reports and so he can also be on the scene sooner to be a first responder?

This really reminds me of the 2022 riddler

It’s sick!

Yes!!!! ❤

So true

frr

She liked ur comment yr so lucky

Who thinks she should get her own news show

Also in the poem, the mis-spelling is repeated in "till" at the end of the poem. It's just the shortened version of until, spelled "til".

Dudeeeee I’m tripped tf out

Too much concrete evidence for this to not be the killer

@@MadWorld909almost like he wasn’t done speaking or committing these crimes like he was expected to be back

@@Bizarrebarbie It is not 'concrete evidence', but compelling circumstantial evidence. The closest physical evidence is the handwriting similarity. A print match would have been nice, his should have been on file for exclusion purposes...

🥂cheers to future episodes

The crossing arms killed me. Kris is the silliest! ❤

@@ShannonAdams-d1s cheers 🥂

i do it all the time... but that's not my native language 😁

@@Rhowski i do too and it's my first language lol, when you have an older sister who thinks it's funny to "correct" your spelling to confuse you and get you in trouble you spend the rest of your days second guessing every one of those words she "helped" you with!

I get confused with the spelling of until almost all the time I have had to write it

@@georgenkansah659yeah but at times we eventually correct ourselves. The handwriting was similar on top of the spelling😭

People with dysgraphia have trouble with spelling and find handwriting physically painful if we try to write cleanly. d,p,q and g often get used interchangeably without a lot of work. The weirdest part is the letter swapping only applies to handwriting not typing. I still handwrite doctor with a p and I’m forty. It’s the one I’ve never been able to correct it.

i have a feeling richard messed up the description because he knew he was about to get cuaght but then again, if those two cops saw this guy in the car but let him go, wouldnt they have realized it was their coworker?

​@elham2393 not all police know each other. So there's a chance they wouldn't have

@@elham2393 The killer, whether it was a cop or not, had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the description given by the dispatcher...🤦‍♂

@@michaelfox2433 yeah..but the cops that stopped him briefly would have been like "oh hi its you," and would have let him go anyway. but as someone else mentioned, they probably didn't know their coworker

@@elham2393 First off, they weren't co workers as they worked for completely different departments, if it was him at all to begin with, and secondly there was no reason to stop him since he was obviously not who they were looking for according to the description they were given so, its all a moot point.

I see what you did there…

Untill 😂

The young man on TikTok has the most compelling story I have heard so far. I say exhume his grand father's body and see if it is him. Do the fingerprints match and is he a DNA match. Too many things line up not to be looked into farther.

​@@sonianugent6429 Richard Hoffman was a cop. One of the first things that is done when a cop or any other government employee is hired is to fingerprint him.

​@sonianugent6429 I was thinking the same. Why is nobody doing this? Or working on getting it done? If they send the evidence to more sophisticated crime labs they could probably find things that weren't originally found. IF anything was preserved from the victims.

correct, its him.

sounds german uuuuuuuunt ill

untill isnt really that specific. a lot of people misspell it that way. same with "alot"

Specific but not illogical. Pretty sure I've done that once or twice, because it's commonly shortened to "till" rather than "til" or "'til" So if you're someone who writes "till" as a shortened form, you could easily slip when trying to sound more formal...

I misspelled it a lot in my life as well as “alot”. Good thing I have auto correct 😭

@@BennyDeSlageras a German it doesn't sound German at all.

The original night stalker Joseph D'Angelo used to do the exact same thing. Plus, he also like to break into homes and use a flashlight to blind his victims so he can take control of them. he was also an ex-policeman and military.

noticed there's a wikipedia category "Category:Serial killers who worked in law enforcement" with 41 articles. also remember hearing few times some of these sickos being either interested in becoming cops or having tried but failed (Kemper at least, Bundy was in law school and worked with cops). and why not, power and control, easier to avoid getting caught, satisfaction of seeing people giving them so much attention, plausible excuse to lurking around watching people, convenient lies for using deadly force if someone catches you etc. fire departments also have more arsonists than the average population

jeez really hard to get a comment past the autofilter. trying to post just couple simple sentences about why these perps want to be cops without using any controversial terms, but after editing the comment four times I'm giving up. ofc it's well known YT doesn't care about comment sections, only thing they care about is keeping people on the site, well jokes on them I'm going to sleep

I was about to call you the Zodiac, but then she said the part at the end. I'm keeping my eye on you just in case we hear theories that connect you to him...😂😂

exactly because the on murder signed rh could of not been related to the zodiac killer but just Richard

You deserve more likes for this

Many took them as trophys. Possibly a vet ?

A Luger was not hard to get by after ww2. Luger P08 produced during the war and having been in German service was a rare gun. But Lugers and specifically Luger P08 had been produced since 1900 and continued to be produced until 1970. A Luger in itself was easy and still is relatively easy to get your hands on.

9mm luger is the caliber. Not an actual luger. It's the same as a 9x19 parabellum which is a standard 9mm you hear of today

Yeah you’re confusing the round with the gun. 9mm Luger is what you more commonly hear as 9mm caliber. Any modern 9mm pistol shoots 9mm Luger rounds. Then there is the German Luger/Luger 08 which is a gun that shoots the 9mm cartridge (9mm Luger).

I’m so glad she explained what he did before this ❤

WHY DID YOU SPELL UNTIL WITH TWO L'S? AAAAAHHHH jk im messign with you

Same

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Same ❤

The misspellings should have been a huge clue. I get that sometimes we accidentally misspell things and then sometimes get it right. Like it used to be a coin toss for me with "definitely." But if you don't know a word's spelling then that's hard to fake. Like, try to trick him into writing "comidy" again (and others). If they just gave a list of words he'd probably be like "oh yeah I always second guess that word so maybe I spelled it wrong and the true spelling is the other way."

yea i made comment joking about the fact she said she looked like the zodiac killer

tbh I did see it a little for second

Is it online?

@@teacherella1338 not sure I found it on sky crime

​@teacherella1338 I mean it isn't gonna be offline?

I mean what if the cops were pulling this off? My psych professor once pointed out that cops have the same psychological profile as psychopaths.

So, considering the "slaves in the afterlife" quote, is it possible that the multiple people were part of some sort of cult?

Naaa. The description of the killer was miscommunicated - they were looking for a black guy for at least a few minutes til they got it straight. In the meantime the cops are pretty sure they saw the real killer but dismissed him as being the perp. You can imagine the angst when they realized the mistake!

In this scenario do you think he was wearing a cop uniform? Or why do you think he just easily could blend in at the scene?

@@Pawsk I was thinking because he was recognized as a fellow cop, not because he was in uniform but because he was a familiar face. If it was this guy’s grandfather, the cops either knew it was one of their own or they didn’t suspect him being there because he was one of their own

@@mattskustomkreations a fair point but that does lead credence to him being the zodiac and someone inside knowing and covering it up. How else could his description get so egregiously mixed up? 🤔

@@jenamatic Zodiac was not wearing a police uniform when he killed Paul Steiner (taxicab driver), he was wearing street clothes. The communication error was made by the dispatcher - it was not the guys in the patrol cars' fault. Iirc, it was actually a kid who called it in, so maybe the kid goofed it up. I seriously doubt the cops in SF would have any idea who Vallejo cop Hoffman was it's 30 miles away. And how would they know ahead of time to expect him on the streets. No, they would have chased down and collared anyone who was reported to have killed a guy. In fact the cop(s) who saw Z and didn't know to catch him felt sick ever after that. Not only for the loss of life, but could you imagine the clout you would have for catching the Zodiac!!!

Look up the park ranger of Lake Berryessa, Dennis Land. I'm convinced he at least did that one.

And AI can’t be used to solve the codes??

Ai (really machine learning) was actually used to solve them in 2020. So the codes have been solved. ​@@Ginammmmmm1357

How is the Zodiac Killer a myth? These killings actually did happen.

@@skinfan2806 They mean that the murders were perpetrated by multiple people and only attributed to one fake person

Nah bc i thought of that😊

Came here to say this!

In all honesty, you're grasping at straws... Symantecs, at best. Not to mention the wiggle room that "pretty much" allows for. In short, you're just being petty.

@@RAW_Reality It's hardly 'semantics' when if you look at lists of top 5-15 most famous serial killers, the Zodiac killer isn't on them.

@@herstoryanimated Maybe you should look up the meanings of both "semantics" and "infamous", as you're dribbling on about what amounts to interpretation. And please, rely on invented lists to use as a crutch so you can misinterpret spoken language to fit your narrative instead of actually knowing what the words mean... That sounds brilliant. 😒

Me too dw ✊️😭

Concerning? I’d say we are just.. enthusiastic 😅

You're so quirky omgggg like soooo much quirk

@@hughmungus431 iKr! i’M jUsT sO qUiRkY! 🙄🙄🙄

Me to lol

Were you watching Dirty Harry ? as the killer in that was called zodiac, and he kidnapped a schoolbus full of children, and the bus driver was a woman (was this your grandmother) but don't worry Harry cut him in 2 with his 44 magnum..

Yeah?

​​​@@MidnightKLPidk what this person is implying but maybe they mean that the zodiac wanted to make sure the women die to get them as "guaranteed" "slaves of the afterlife" since they could be more important in "getting" for him than the men

Are you implying that the males of the couples did it? you do realise that after killing himself on the 1st victims he wouldn't have been able to do it again as he would be dead, did I tune in to the twilight zone?

@@offal He's implying that since richard was a KNOWN abuser towards women, he targetted them first and was more cruel to them (the 10 knife stabs to one of the women while 6 to the man.)

@@Vistalien thanks for clearing that up.

I didnt think I had a type but I guess I do now

@@mrwatermelo50 relatable

GSK was a cop

That’s not the definition of a corrupt system my friend.

​@@emmaporter8160she's right it is a corrupt system justice isn't blind it's bigoted

Yeah the golden state killer was a cop so i wouldn't be suprised if the zodiac killer was a cop because it is easier to get away with crime if you are a cop.

But there were physical evidence of him from each crime scene linking each crime to him , the evidence wasn’t just what he was saying in the news paper tho.

Hoffman was IN a zodiac documentary that accompanied the 2007 movie.

People are very bad at eye witness accounts, we often change things in our minds.

"trought"??

​@@Ultamamigrammar nutbag

Oooh now I have to watch it.

Love the movie! But never noticed this

Well you know that also feeds into one theory; the group theory!

What’s woodworking have to do with a knivesmith

@@johnscanlon2598 I'm not sure, but it might as well have a lot to do with it, depending on a woodworker's (or, in this specific case, Hoffmann's) level of expertise - it all boils down to the individual craftman's knowledge, rather than the profession he or she is carrying out, I'd say. If somebody describes me as a woodworker it may be the case that I also know how to handle metal, brick, blades etc. if I'm really passionate or simply curious about working with my hands (which Foy, apparently, implies his grandpa actually was). It could've been a knife with a wooden handle, in which case inserting a blade is not that far from a woodworker's experience. Maybe Hoffmann knew how to work a blade, given that many woodworking tools include blades and really sharp pieces of metal that need some refinement every now and then. idk, the cases may be infinite, just saying that we need not focus on idealtypes (woodworking/bladesmith) but rather on Hoffmann's case and his knowhow - which, in many cases, goes well beyond the mere woodworking scope of a craftman in general. don't take me too seriously tho hahaha just saying

@@johnscanlon2598shinks. Wooden knives

@@johnscanlon2598 well a lot of people who do wood work also get into working with metal that honestly might not be the case here but he would be able to make a handle

​@@johnscanlon2598lots of wood workers make knives. They either get the blades pre-made or learn to make them themselves. My brother's into woodworking and he even made a knife blade out of an old saw! If the zodiac's knife looked "homemade", it likely wasn't that well made. Someone into woodworking would already be fairly familiar with a lot of the techniques used in knife making, so most would probably manage to make at least a somewhat usable knife.

Ew.

@@blahxblahxblah100 why ew?

@@blahxblahxblah100 ???

idk why people think it’s gross, talking about these things is important as it is history. I also feel afraid after watching videos about these pieces of history, but she makes it easier to swallow and digest. There is nothing wrong with watching true crime, it is history.

@@troncat.t thank you

because statistically speaking, getting robbed is much more likely than getting killed by a serial killer. So obviously you try to act in a way with the highest chances of surviving.

None of the victims were SA ed. Sounds like the guy they were looking at was not the zodiac killer if he was the one SA would have happened.IMO.

That would be to shoot first in either of those scenarios. You live either way. Fines and permits type crap doesnt matter at all if your dead. I dont get why people dont understand that. People make themselves victims. ​@@MissLinguiniNoodle

Yeah, it looks like some sort of a group. A great way for all of them to have alibi at one or another time, so none of them can be jailed for ALL the murders. All these guys could've been murderers, they don't look innocent at all. 🤷‍♀️

i’ve never thought about it that way. i mean as in , never thought of this case as a multiple people joint endeavour.

No proof of that

where the fuck did you get that information from

Especially because of the different MOs. Serials don’t typically “de-escalate” from gúns to knves. Plus the difference in tying them up vs ambushing them, and one wearing a costume. Then you have the typed vs handwritten letters. This screams multiple offenders/potential copycats to me.

Yay, Learning disabilities like dysgraphia are a real tell. I feel like spelling errors indicating an ld like dysgraphia or dyslexia might be something that could be used to eliminate suspects if it wasn't something that could be faked.

eash of the meridian determined by, ch. the Polaris, Observation. The solar apparatus by. ... seattering pin coupine and cedar twiches. 3.25 Euter. bear E and it. He was into solar and green energy, that is stated in two ciphers. Brownette is what they seem to say in his home country, my suspect. A couple are true misspellings.

not only that she was cheating but had multiple affair partners/“boyfriends”

I think he would because he liked that he always got away so he’d wait til maybe he got away and the taunt them with the fact they could have had him

If he liked to toy with the police, then it would make more sense that he would deny being the killer as part of the game, wouldn't it? You don't toy with people by admitting guilt and ending the game, you toy with them by convincing them their correct accusations are wrong. He liked that his actions got attention, he didn't care if it was directed at his birth name especially if it meant he would lose his freedom. Getting away with murder and all the credit being given to one entity that he came up with, "The Zodiac," satisfied his need for attention, it made him feel powerful.

yeah but the attention would end if he said that if he said it wasn't him the case would go on and people would be talking about it

Lol fr 🤣

Because we all do! You know how big** true crime is as a genre rn? lol like even my bf’s mom who I agree with nothing on, like true crime too 😂

literally . 😭

She knows her audience

Realll

This is not funny 😐

Respect the victims don’t laugh I hope they fly high 🕊️🕊️🕊️

yeah thats ot funny no one laughing -_-

Errmm is someone gonna tell @willsta21 it's nearly 60 years not 50

It's quite appropriate to laugh at him, this psycho wanted to be infamous, but instead he's remembered for how pathetic he was. It's far more respectful to the poor families he affected than glorifying his actions.

Neighbors often know eachother's names. But seeing as though he wasn't officially caught/identified they can't confirm neighbor Joe was the guy unless they found matching DNA to the killer inside the home right?

@@JerahmeyDudley1998 going to call her tonight, looking for answers

he might have been squating there or smth

@@sydneydaum9204 maybe, I’ll be calling her tonight to see if I can get more information

@@sydneydaum9204 but without DNA inside the home or knowing his identity which would likely have been given to police if they're telling people about it to this day, how would they know it's not just a normal squatter?

Yeah, remember hearing Abt it at first and wanting to know more Abt who “the zodiac killer” was and information was really hard to find bc all vids Abt it just assumed you knew what he did and stuff it was so Annoying

YES 100%

All I remember is everyone and their grandma wanted to solve it and he killed a lot of poor innocent people

Have you seen the movie

Sometimes I wonder if it was a small cult that nobody found out about that joined in together but made sure to each have their own victims to make it look like one killer going on a spree. It's fairly cult like to use symbols and send letters and stuff 🤷🏻‍♀️ sometimes I wonder if it hasn't been solved bc they're looking at it like it was one person and they could've had one person write the letters and stuff idk it's crazy and terrible that it happened but it's an interesting mystery fs

@@magickalbayrabbit996 The movie and obviously the book is VERY biased and full of inaccuracies, but at least the movie tried.

Probably one of the most outstanding awaited mysteries ever in criminal history

​@@infamouswickedjokestaralong with Jack the Ripper

Exactly, in that line of work, i mean you see it these days constantly, its like a brotherhood, fraternity/sorority, gang or mafia. They def protect their own. Not to mention theres a whole lot of “coincidences” that are lining up pretty well… smh… wow 🤯🙄

You should try the casual criminalist 😅

You should try to listen to Stephanie Soo then. Back then it was more casual though and less scary when she told the stories but now it's a bit more serious but still comfy

You should also try Kendell Rae and Danielle Kristy as well as Bratterstein they also do true crime as well as Kimbyrleigha they are all really good

Mike from That Chapter too!

​@@trailertrish & @shavonlynn came to suggest That Chapter and Kendall Ray.😊😅

real

We don’t need anymore podcasts! There are way too many already

​@@maryjane4432don't watch them if you don't like them. ??

Fr these and bailey sarians videos are my favorite.... as far as true crime goes obviously. Nothing beats paranormal investigations 😅

YES WE DO 👹👹👹🤺🤺🤺🤺

Except that he directed them to a busy, rich neighborhood that had high policing priority and vigilance, and there were multiple witnesses at the scene, while taking the time to wipe it down and failing. The more and more fine details that come out about the case like that make me all the more sure of what actually went on; a string of similar murders committed by a handful of unconnected people in a dick measuring contest with the letters. Marking the VW with the previous dates and symbol means nothing since that had already leaked/was publicly known. The taxi cab killing could have been done by ANYONE who knew what they were doing, or rather, the piece of clothing and letter could have written by anyone involved in the case, as it wasn't known it was a Zodiac killing until days later. A coroner, one of the cops on scene or at the station, a medical worker, so many people who would have had access to the body because it wasn't being scrutinized as a Zodiac killing. The case is such a contradictory game of Clue and Guess Who? with bumbling cops that I swear I wouldn't be shocked if the entire case was actually the first ARG and never actually happened, but was some insanely well done hoax, because that's just as believable as the facts are as presented.

Right! But it's scary at night. That one little stretch feels like you're in the middle of nowhere.

Should I watch this? I grew up in Benicia. I know this area well before the changes to the roads and park. Plus back in the day driving out there was like driving a desolate area.

@@aftertheheadlines it’s still desolate. Except the church at the beginning and Syar quarry at the end there’s nothing but ranches down lake Herman. It’s a good video by Kris. As usual

Is it a hidden spot? I assume that’s what they used back then.

@@jennifermarie7405 nah, it’s literally right off of the road. It overlooks fields.

Right though I kept waiting for the family secrets Kris eluded to lol

I’ve never stated I suspected him at all. Kris just translated it that way. Super grateful for this video btw. But yeah I’ve never said I’ve suspected him until now

@jfoy1619 Bro you've got a million people who absolutely believe you now. This is bananas, and you did a really good job at piecing through things. It couldn't have been comfortable going through all of the things and realizing that it fits so damn well. Even if it's not him, I seriously applaud you for the due diligence!!! 💞💞💞 Please take care of yourself, make sure you're getting enough sleep, drink your water and take your vitamins!!!!

@@jfoy1619 Oh okay, my bad. I thought maybe you had heard family members talking about your grandfather doing shady stuff, and then googled about the case or something.

Even the title of this Documentary is eerie. Wonder if he had influence and he's speaking in it. Basically telling the world, hey it's me.