DID ADAM DESERVE TO DIE?! - A Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Theory and Analysis! 

If Adam returned as a sinner, I would be on the edge of my seat waiting to see Lute's reaction when she found out.

I still think it's hilarious that _Adam_ told Lute to chill the fuck out. That's how you know you screwed up, when Adam's the one telling you to calm down.

Honestly, it would be so funny for Adam to become a new resident at the hotel that literally EVERYONE at the hotel except for Charlie think he's completely unredeemable. The amount of joke potential and character development potential is off the charts.

It would be a hilarious bit of irony if the beginning of next season shows that Adam is a mirror of Sir Pentious and got reborn in Hell as a Sinner.

If he doesn’t come back in some form it feels like a waste and writing Adam off as nothing but an a-hole contradicts the whole “morality is grey” narrative of the show. That and the opportunities of storytelling and comedy with Adam in Hell is huge. We could get his take on what happened in Eden, what his deal with Lilith was, his relationship with Eve and what happened with her, maybe even introduce Cain and Able to the cast and have him reunite with his sons.

What people seem to forget is that adam is literally the first man. There essentially was no guidance on morality, god only told them not to eat the fruit from the tree. There was only him, lilith, and eve. How can you expect him to be moral and just when were not prior examples of people being moral and just. It doesnt excuse his actions but i think it explains a lot of them.

Adam was a complete wanker, but the implication is that he never ate the apple so doesn't actually have an understanding of good and evil, so he is not guilty by reason of mental incompetence.

Considering she's seemingly vibing in Heaven while her daughter fights for their supposed people, are you sure Lilith's pride manifested in something noble..? About your question, though: imagine your first wife left you for being too bossy, your second wife left you after being tricked by your first wife and her boy toy, and you end up in Heaven all alone. Wouldn't YOU feel terrible and start overcompensating?

I fully agree with this video. But I'd like to add something. Adam doesn't seem to have any real personality and has interests mostly based around just stuff he was ordered to do by the angels. Sex? Checks out. How else are you going to populate the earth? Food? Yeah. I'd indulge in eating too if I got banished from paradise and had to work day and night to farm said food. Music? A very basic form of entertainment and it seems to be the only thing he truly has passion for. And yet, other than those things, Adam is simply a blank slate. Likely because he was told by everyone around him what and who he is. He is the first man. The father of humanity. The guy who started it all. But that was just his job. A divine order given to him by Heaven. So if we get lucky and get a redemption arc for Adam, I want it to be Charlie trying to help the stubborn doofus figure out who he truly is. Basically: I don't think the angels ever really let him discover himself and *that's* where his insecurity spawns. He legitimately has no idea who he really is.

Also something to point out: even if Adam did have a concept of right and wrong, why would he see the purging of the Sinners as bad? While our main cast in the Hotel seem relatively decent people, a good 99% of the population of Hell deserve to be there. From what we see of the average sinner to what even characters comment about their fellow hellions, they are a pack of murderers, cannibals, sexual predators and abd deviants who will force their perversions onto others, and overall prideful self centered asses. Many of them are even aware of their wretched state and simply don't care to change... in fact they even seem to enjoy their sinful nature. In short, they very much deserve to be there. The premise of the annual exterminations is to cull the number of sinners so they don't have the numbers to overthrow heaven if they ever got it in their heads to organize and revolt. While the average sinner is too busy scurrying around just to live abother day, the turf wars orchestrated by sinners with the brains and ambition to dominate shows that the fear of one sinner getting the idea to add Heaven to their little empire isnt conpletely unfounded. So why would Adam or anyone in heaven see destroying a mass of unrepentant murderers, rapists, and cannibals as evil to begin with? In any other situation Adam would be the hero. An extremely flawed hero, but a hero nonetheless.

Gotta be honest, the only time I actually did feel bad for Adam (without this theory in mind) is when Lute was screaming in genuine horror at what had happened to him. The two seemed to have a legitimate bond of some kind, whether that be twisted romance or just platonic friendship we may never know-

I want to be a broken Adam. A man who's whole world and beliefs have been challenged and destroyed. A man who's seen the worst his children have done and now has to be there with him. A man who failed BOTH his wives. Honestly, there is a lot you can explore with themes of fatherhood between Lucifer and Adam and while I dont think we'll see like Cain or Abel, but I do think this is something where both of them can sort of conmiserate on. I think there is SO much potential in a Sinner Adam storyline it blows my mind some people either don't like the idea or just copy paste Angel Adam to Sinner Adam. I dunno. I feel that he is smarter than he lets on and thats also without even mentioning what could be done with Lute in such a scenario!

My theory is that Lilith wants to take over both heaven and earth and created the story at the beginning of the show to manipulate the people of hell and Charlie, because when I first watched it I thought it had a lot of holes in it. Like, if the angels truly created her and Adam as equals, then he wouldn't have even had the idea of trying to control her. Based on what we saw at the end of the series, Lilith seems pretty self-centered, so I wouldn't be surprised if she saw Lucifer (described as a "dreamer") and thought he would be easy to manipulate into doing her will. She probably condoned the hotel idea (which is pretty dangerous, considering that someone could just pretend to be good, ascend, and wreak havoc in heaven) because it would destabilize heaven, leaving it free for her to take over. We don't even know if Adam was actually controlling back then, or if that's just a story Lilith spun to make heaven look bad. I personally think that he became like that over time.

My Stance on Adam is pretty straight forward in how he does nothing wrong and he is indeed right. 1. Adam was sad when Lilith refused but didn't bother to chase after her, and respected her wishes despite how he took "no for a answer" with the other being in heaven. Implying that Hell's history is missing key context of what actually happened. 2. Adam in the past was different than the one we see as Lucifer mentioned to Adam he let himself go since the Garden incident. Telling us that Adam was very different once again than the man we see in the current timeline. 3. Adam was only messing around with Charlie, and having fun with her when they meet at first. But what people don't understand is that he was open to aiding Charlie with anything but trying to redeem sinners so he wasn't down right ignorant of other problems he more than likely was willing to help solve. 4. Angel and Adam are the same in how people used them for their own gain yet they put on a "act" of self importance for their ego/pride is nothing more than gone. Adam hypes himself up similar to what Angel Dust does yet unlike how Husker helps Angel nobody bothers to help Adam at all with his issues other than Lute trying to protect Adam for the very things that cause him pain which are the sinners. 5. Adam breaks down in episode 8 because he understands he is nothing more than the man who started humanity but that is all he is known for nothing else. Nobody even tries to ask Adam what is it he wanted to do in the first places and the one idea he purposes to do something meaningful to "save" Heaven he is only shunned and criticized for he is "killing innocents" even though they are his offspring's children's children who decided to do horrible things regardless of the situation 6. As people mention in the comments the term "thousands of innocents" that Emily states in episode 6 is PURELY dumbfounded mainly because HELL is NOT "innocent" PERIOD. That is a outright LIE for Heaven was afraid of sinners rising up to Invade Heaven WHICH is warranted for concern given the very nature of the Overlords trying to gain power to RULE Hell itself. Those people chose to do bad things and while I do agree that those that want to better themselves should be allowed the chance to be "redeemed"...you can't use love and family as a defense mechanism like Carmela does since she RUINED other families who no doubt wanted to protect their love ones by giving weapons to those who would abuse it. Which brought her OWN daughters to HELL because they got caught in the business she ran. I have NO sympathies for those who try to claim the morale high ground for the sake of "family and love" as they never gave a rats butt about others other than their own selfish wants. 7. This is why imo Adam is the tragic hero of Hazbin Hotel as he did everything right to save those who deserved to be safe from the wicked malice hell has that even their own "hellborn" as shown in Hellvaboss inflict sin upon humanity yet charlie likes to pretend "we don't do that and even if we do they can change". Let me be clear...if you can't change the environment and rules that a person trying to go to rehab is at then it won't matter if you believe another institution will take care of them if they "check the requirements" to get in if they just relapse/don't want to change.

Who's more of a hazbin than an angel turned demon? Also, i think lute needs to be confronted with a demon adam next extermination if she's going to make any personal growth. Considering the two main aspects of her character we know of are her love of adam and her hatred of demons, it'd be super fun to see how she processes demonic adam

Theory: The reason the heaven and hell system is bullshit is because Roo is actively fucking with it for eons and now is trying something completely different to ster the pot, as it were.

Honestly, I think Adam should've been given more depth. THink about it, he's the first man meaning all of humanity descended from him and he's spent countless eons watching them indulge in WAY worse stuff than him, yeah he's a jerk who kills sinners, but you don't see him murdering actual innocent people for kicks or the countless other horrible things Sinners do. Imagine how anger inducing it likely was watching humanity, the thing you helped create fail over and over again. Plus considering Eden isn't shown it's a safe bet he was still kicked out for some reason and it's mainly the fault of Lilith and Lucifer, so Adam is right to hate them for it as well.

I understand the reasoning of some people who think Adam got into Heaven through nepotism or the like. However, judging by Sera’s claim about knowing when a soul arrives and St. Repentious’s ascension, it’s clear that the system of divine judgment is “automated” in some way. Therefore, I believe Adam, through the hardships he and Eve overcame together on Earth and still managing to raise their 5 children to adulthood, *did in fact earn is place in Heaven* at the time of his death. Even without the clarity of the Fruit of Knowledge, Eve and their children’s presence in his life-and the genuine care they had for him as opposed to the angels’ aloofness-*may have pushed him to make good decisions anyway*. But BECAUSE he never ate the Fruit, he cannot deduce just WHAT truly got him into Heaven in the first place, and the Angels being as incurious as they are about both his life AND their own foundation, cannot really tell him either. A key moment in Adam’s potential character development, I think, would be finally deciding for himself to *eat the Fruit of Knowledge*. After spending time as a Sinner in Hell, learning for himself what’s right without Heaven’s indoctrination, and gradually forging real bonds with the Hotel residents, he decides he’s had enough of running. From his inner guilt, from his buried trauma and feelings of neglect from his makers, from his insecurities over Lucifer so many years ago. He hits Lucifer up. “… Do you still have it?” And Lucifer silently leads him to the chamber where he’s kept the very same apple from Eden 10,000 years ago, still in the same condition as the first day it was plucked. Lucifer hands it to the First Man, the man Heaven failed since the very beginning. And the man takes a bite.

Honestly I’m not even convinced he even treated Lilith as horribly as it’s claimed. The book Charlie’s reading is the Book of Hell or smthn like that. It clearly would be the side of the story of of either Lilith or Lucifer, one of them probably wrote it or told it. Lilith could just be painting herself in better light, or Lucifer painting his wife in better light. Like do I believe he was phenomenal to her? No, but I don’t believe she was sunshine and rainbows either. She was the starter of literal cheating, the first woman to conduct acts of adultery. She’s not innocent, but he isn’t either. If heaven had better understandings of judgement and morale he could’ve been a better husband and person in the long run.

No, cuz Adam becoming a demon and joining the hotel genuinely has so much potential. It could reinforce the theme of Hazbin Hotel and create many interesting potential interactions. For example, Alastor and Lucifer finally agreeing on one thing and joining forces to torment Adam, Adam being terrified of Nifty, Vaggie having to deal with the one guy who knows every bad thing she did b4 joining the hotel being constantly around, and Charlie wanting to redeem Adam but still kinda resenting him but not wanting to admit it... The opportunities are so great.

If Adam is legit DEAD dead, then he's a wasted character. The first human man who had his life completely ruined by Lucifer, Lillith, and Sinners, with a purely justifiable hatred for them... reduced to a douchey fratboy with a complete joke of a death. It's very easy to forget but Adam had his entire life ruined by others, rathert han things he did on his own. Even in the bible he only ate the apple beacuse Eve shared it with him, rather than him activly choosing to eat it. It was Eve who did and he honestlyy could of thought it was a normal apple like the rest. Plus let's not forget. The backstory we got in episode 1 was from the book charlie was reading. Which was proibbly written by her parents. Did you ever notice that instead of lilith just holding her hands up and then leaving, she held her hand up, turned her head away and then ran? That's not a normalt hing to do as that's bascially a 'talk tot he hand loser' move. Lilith in relaiyy could of been just as bad as Adam pride and toxicity wise, but she hid it better or it was less obvious. She may of even encourged lucifer to start messing with Eve after she got repalced and could of had plenty of petty and malicous intentions. After all if Adam and lilith are equals, there isn't really any reason she woldn't have a persoanlity that can handle him or be like just his and Adam really wasn't as bad as he was made out to be back then. Adam has all the potential for tons of depth and undersandable motivations. I mean here is something to consider. Even fi Adam was more resonable to Charlie and open to her hotel idea? She'd of refused to compramise with him as she wanted the exterminaaitons stopped all together. Even if Adam was willing to negociate, she'd of not accepted the exerminations contiuing at all. Which means reguardless of his persoanlity, they most likley would of wound up fighting anyway.

Yeah that was my theory for this version of Adam. I don't think he'd be the apple eating type. It explains how he can be so oblivious to good and evil, because all he knows is what people tell him to do and if he is scolded for his actions or encouraged. It would be an interesting twist on the story. I also wanted to see the whole Sinner Adam as things going full circle, we will see.

The fact Adam smiles at lute one final time shows that he was happy to die by someone who actually cared for him, and stayed with him until the end. Unlike Eve and Lilith, who both left time for their own reasons. Adam died happy.

I actually had a crazy story idea that hell finds out about sir pentiouses redemption, and because he was a local there he got visitation rights from sera to visit hell with diplomatic immunity. And in the end it isn’t Charlie who lets Adam get a chance to try but sir pentious with a reprise of it starts with sorry, saying he may not know how he got in but if he can do it so can Adam, and it will just take time.

I honestly think it's pretty plausible that adam didn't eat the fruit in this universe. So many other theorists seem to assume he did, but he never shows a second of comprehension for good vs bad. it makes me wonder if your own shame/guilt is all that is holding you in hell and when sir pentious sacrificed himself he had a moment without any self doubt.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt bad for Adam. There's a few frames at 7:17 that show him clutching at his head in frustrated confusion, which really made me pity him more. The first Man, essentially 'raised' to be in control, and if no-one taught him better, what else was he supposed to do but double-down on it his entire life and afterlife? "Confused doofus" is an apt description, Adam deserved a chance to learn, rather than just be killed off. "Are we all going to throw this guy under the bus for having a moral compass with no needle?" VERY apt!

I'm NOT gonna lie. Like you, and many others. I legit hope he comes back as a sinner, and checks into the hotel.... The dynamic would be comedy gold. (Plus, more Alex Brightman is always a good thing.) Here's to hoping Vivzie has a similar idea, or sees the idea of him coming back online.... Not the first time she looked at a fan theory, and thought "yeah, that would be cool."

Honestly if he does cowm back as a sinner I hope Adam's reappearance episode shows him going through the 5 stages of grief. This is how I can see it going: 1 Denial- Adam wakes up in hell and finds he is no longer an Angel, he goes into full blown panic asking things like "what is this? I'm not a sinner! This has to be a mistake!!" Maybe even trying to speak to one of the exterminators during an extermination and almost getting killed in the process. 2 anger- Adam storms the hotel to take his anger out of Charlie blaming her for his fall from grace, but this goes nowhere because everyone else kick him out 3 Bargaining- Adam finds out Sir Pentious got into Heaven and returns to the hotel, begging Charlie to give him a second chance so he can get back to Heaven Charlie would be on the fence for a bit before she would finally agree 4 Depression- Adam would metaphorically crash and basically lock himself in his room with some (Maybe all) of the bar's alcohol supplies drinking his misery away, thinking he's probably got next to no chance of getting back into Heaven 5 acceptance- someone( I hope Vaggie tbh) is able to convince Adam that he doesn't deserve a chance to get to heaven, even if he never does, he still has a place at the hotel with all of them and he's welcomed, just like anyone wanting redemption. Adam will take this to heart and finally start working on himself

I had some serious Adam brainrot after watching “Welcome to Heaven” (it’s still going on now, just less so) and ended up talking with my bestie about the perfect amount of nuance Adam got in that episode just with the reveal that even he doesn’t know why he’s in Heaven and the best he could do when asked was guess based on what he _thinks_ is probably righteous behavior. If we take his list at face value, it even tells us that he probably did manage to be a decent enough person before dying - childish as those criteria are, they are generally good things. And the smile he gives Lute while he dies in the finale, to me, speaks *_volumes:_* He was absolutely still capable of love and compassion and he genuinely felt it for Lute. In fact, for as much as the episode makes a show of tearing Adam down from this once-thought-invincible warmonger to just A Man, it was also the episode that convinced me that he was never completely evil. Flawed and obnoxious, sure. But not evil (Lute on the other hand…). Anyway the funniest part of that initial Adam convo with my bestie was her suggestion that Adam might be harboring some bitterness over being a nepo baby, because it sounds *_way_* more accurate than it should.

If you also noticed. All of the exterminator angels have black halo's, meaning they're fallen angels and not pure, that they know the truth that they go down and kill souls for them to never revive. But... Adam's is golden. All of the angels in heavens are golden. Meaning he truly believes in what he does is good, that he can't be bad because the souls in hell are evil, so what he does then has to equate to good.

I mean there is a chance he might come back as a sinner. Vivziepop did mention how much fun she had writing him and watching him so if he was gonna become a sinner and check into the hotel, that’s not UNlikely. Imagine Adam just came from being an obnoxious asshole main antagonist to becoming a neutral snarky kind of sinner who just laughs at other people’s expense before opening his eyes and realizing how much of a douche he is and tries to become better but still has that snarky comment here or there. (I still believe he 100% deserved to die and be forgotten, but watching this new angle on him would be interesting too)

4:54 This is actually a reference to Alex Brightman's role in School of Rock on Broadway! He played Dewey Finn and one of his songs is called Stick It To The Man.

I think Adam was brought to heaven by angels instead of dying, so during the hotel fight he died for the first time meaning he will be reborn as a sinner.

I think they're gonna make Adam the Vegeta equivalent. The main villain of the first season, but comes back from the grave for an (almost) series-long redemption arc

If Adam gets reincarnated as a sinner, wouldn't it be funny if he wasn't recognizable to the main cast?

I've desperately tried to defend Adam ever since his first appearance, but never really had a solid reason. UNTIL NOW. I need to see this guy crashland right onto the bloodstained pavement of Lucifer's firey red Hell and get redeemed through the Hazbin Hotel, it'd be so fun to see both the character interactions and his own development. Maybe even calling out the really messed up things that happen in Hell and finally learning to understand right from wrong. But i guess it's all just a theory for now.

Adam should become a sinner. Killing him off is wasted potential for the story

I personally like to think Adam was meant to go to hell but heaven took pity on him, so his death seems pretty justified

I love that viv included “Stick it to the man” which is a reference to school of rock, which Alex Brightman also sung

Honestly, I can see him being a deeper character under the surface, giving him insecurities on why he acts the way he does, and how he tries to overcompensate for with misogyny He has potential for the most well written redemption yet, but he has to be written correctly at least that’s my opinion

Imagine he's at the hotel and is on his redemption arc, when Lute sees him getting cozy. Something that will make him chose on whether or not to abandon his progress. Does he defend the hotel in terms of actually being a good person or say that he's only there to sabotage or even just trying to get his spot back?

One thing we need to remember whenever looking at the backstory of Adam and Lilith, we are only given Lilith's side of the story. Which might be true, but it might also be a half truth or complete lies, after all she is incredibly prideful.

I think if Adam is brought back as a sinner and a resident at the hotel, this could be perfect for a very interesting narrative of him first at the hotel to try get into heaven not really believing he could only to develop as a character. This would make peak writing for the show and I actually hope they go this route.

Finally, someone else said it. I always felt he was like a big kid that didn’t know any better. Any time the people he believed in (the seraphim) disapproved of something, he stopped. Like, he just didn’t know any better and didn’t get proper guidance from those he looked up to. The better keep him around, it’d be such a waste otherwise. I personally loved his character because I see him through a more sympathetic lens, and he’s a lot like my brother. Big heart, not always big brain. Lol

one thing i would like to add, is that the story of the start of adam that we know is from the bias of lilith and lucifer, OBVIOUSLY they will not tell their daughter that they did something wrong, i like my theory that adam ended like an asshole after multiple cheatings (lilith and eve) since for what we see at the end of season 1 from the gestures of lucifer it doesnt look like he only gave the apple to eve, if you know what i mean, after that point i really couldnt look at lucifer the same way too, this too could explain the inferiority complex that adam has, i dont think vivzie will in anyway shape or form paint lilith or lucifer like people who made mistakes, or assholes too english is not my first language, srry if i have some mistakes

I'm glad to see someone else think about Adam in this way. I personally think Adam is someone who always got told he was great and anything he does is good but really that just turned him into someone who is arrogant and on the surface Bragg's about himself. While deep down he wants recognition and for people to genuinely care about him so he uses the "I'm the first man" as an excuse for people to love him. Since Adam was the first human nobody above him was there to show him empathy and respect for others and for him to be Adam not just and only "The first man"

I think it would be extremely hilarious if Adam turns up as an imp, coming from one the highest social standings in Heaven to the lowest in Hell just seems poetic. Even if he doesn't come back, I have the very distinct feeling Adam's story isn't over.

Depends, Vizzie in terms of her writing can be almost a harsh God. If she likes you, she’ll write pretty compelling and fleshed out characters, if she doesn’t, she leaves no room for interpretation, you will get the narrative axe. I mean from a pure narrative standpoint Alastor and Adams motives in dealing with souls is nothing more then “because I can”. If she likes Adam (which I highly doubt) then he didn’t deserve to die, if she doesn’t like Adam (which she most likely doesn’t) he deserved to die, and will be at most a personal dilemma with Charlie that not everyone can be saved

I completely agree that he should come back in Hell as a sinner. I'd love that, but I don't think he'd be willing to change right away. But what I want to know is *WHO* is judging these souls. The ophanim? Someone higher? Maybe there's another plane of existence somewhere besides Heaven, Hell, and Earth. Like a Purgatory where souls are sorted or something.

Something I wanna hone in on in terms of Adam being potentially complex and pitiable is Sera's mention that Adam is the first human to make it to heaven. That seems reasonable, at first-- he was the first man, he must have been the first death... until you remember the story of Cain and Abel. Now, obviously Bible lore isn't being followed to the letter here, but if the story of Cain and Abel is canon to this universe, the implication that Abel didn't make it into Heaven is really fascinating, and potentially sort of devastating for Adam. This goes into fanfic-ish territory and may be completely off from where the character is going, but stick with me for a moment. Imagine your son being murdered, being not only the first murder victim in all of history, but the first /death/ in all of history. You die many, many years later-- maybe you're the second death-- and you're welcomed into a paradise. Your first instinct would probably be, upon realizing that there's an afterlife, to ask after your murdered son. And they tell you he's not there. There's more than one afterlife, one for the righteous, one for the damned, and he went to the second one. They can't even tell you why, really-- you're the first person to make it up here, after all. All you're told is that they know the judgement of souls is divine and absolute, based on how you lived, and you're alone with these angels who have no answers. Maybe you ask if there's anything your son can do to join you, and you're told that to their knowledge, no, there isn't. If you don't make it to Heaven on your first try, then you are inherently unworthy of ever being there. The rules are black and white, there's no use in trying to fight it. Cain lives an unnaturally long life, but he does die, eventually, and of course he doesn't make it to Heaven. Adam probably isn't surprised by that one, and who knows how he feels about his boy after he murdered Abel, but that doesn't mean he might not have some upsetting or messy emotions about another one of his kids being in Hell. And of course, we have no idea where Eve is, but it's safe to say she's not in Heaven either. There's no mention of any other children of Adam and Eve being in Heaven, but let's just say they don't make it either. Adam is the only person in his family to make it to Heaven, and he can guess why Cain and Eve aren't here, but it still hurts, and when it comes to Abel, he can't come up with any good reason he's in Hell. That's just how things work; he did something his son didn't, he /earned/ it while his son didn't. The "how" and "why" of that doesn't matter, which has been made exceedingly clear to him. It doesn't excuse his actions or his general shitty personality-- this guy still absolutely sucks-- but a lot about Adam suddenly gets a whole lot sadder with this idea. His views on Heaven and Hell are a coping mechanism, of sorts, ESPECIALLY if we go with your idea that he didn't eat from the apple. The /only/ thing that he has to go off of is that he made it because he's the only one in his family who wasn't tainted by Eve's sin. Her sin must have been great enough to taint their sons, even the one who was victimized by sin, and it just fuels this black-and-white thinking and disdain for sinners. If he lets himself think that those in Hell might not belong there, or that they could be redeemed, then he has to grapple with the fact that that's true of his family and that what happened to them, especially Abel, was horrifically unfair. He doesn't want to-- or can't-- grapple with that, so he puts off thinking about the actual actions of the people who make it to Heaven. It's got to be something innate and unchangeable, it /has/ to be, and it makes his fumbling surface-level answers and nervous request for reassurance-- that "... Right, Sera?" that you mentioned-- so much sadder if he's had this level of denial this whole time. And it especially adds some weight to the line "Well, why isn't he here then?" when talking about how Angel is doing everything right. Anyway, leaping off of this, if Adam makes it to Hell-- which he should, otherwise that is a massive missed opportunity-- I want him to meet one or both of his boys. Him finding Cain, Abel or both in Hell could be fascinating and could kickstart a redemption arc, further denial, a breakdown of sorts-- the possibilities are endless but almost all of them would add some depth to this guy, and would be fun to watch.

man, had to watch the vid 2 times 'cause I kept laughing because of the editing. Great job on it ! always happy to see a youtuber not ditching on Adam just because of his behavior. He became my favorite character since ep 1 because he was so hilarious. And then yeah, ep 6 rolled in and like you said : the "right Sera ?" seemed off character as he was so confident until now. I felt something was strange there but then, he died. If that"s the last time we see of him, I'll think it's wasting character development (and joke) potential

And if he gets out of line they can just hold nifty up

I saw Adam as someone who was just following the orders of the higher up angels, and while he enjoyed it, he didn’t see it as wrong because the others never rebuked him or told him it was wrong. With him showing restraint by not destroying Charlie the first chance he got even though she was the child of the two people that destroyed his paradise and ruing both his and his children’s lives by introducing sin. Obviously he isn’t a good guy but I wouldn’t say he’s evil either. So it’s not as black and white as everyone even Adam himself says.

The real biggest question between Adam and Lilith is why is Lilith mature but Adam isn't? Their is nothing different about or given to them, why did Adam want more?

I just want more of Adam, with dialogues as well written as they are in season 1. Whatever it takes for that. Lute is great as well in court

I feel like no one is addressing the fact Adam supposed crime was the mass killing of sinners residing within the deepest pits of hell Let me rephrase that.. his crime was the eradication of an ever-increasing evil that is threatening the fabric of creation, including the show main goal which is heaven and provenly right considering sir plenteous of all people was redeemed. Giving heaven the moral ground Aren't we ignoring what kind of people live down there or the living condition? Being vanquished sounds like a mercy to be honest

If Adam didn’t eat from the fruit then he lacks free-will and doesn’t deserve death any more or less then he deserves life. The only thing he deserved was the fruit so he could make his own choices

Its possible he was actually good when he got there and slowly changed for the worse over time and they just judge him based on off who he was. Hazbin is in the name

I 100% believe that Adam will have some kind of arc in hell, if only for that fact that there is no way in fucking hell Viv is going to not give Broadway Beetle Juice for chances to sing.

If Adam Became a Resident. Imagine if we get a Scene where Adam Genuinely Apologises to Alastor privately and they actually(Over the Course of S2, Unironically)become Best Mates and teaming up against Vox. Entering the Realm of Fanfic buuut that would be pretty Cool!

In a weird way, I think Adam getting stabbed is going to end up being the thing he needs to get his life back in order. Adam acts like someone who's born with a silver spoon and has YEARS of resentment built up from being constantly betrayed to essentially being forced to be a breeder for angels and nothing more. Season 2 is a more Vee season but I think Adam's coming back at the mid-way point or end because he'd want to go home. Probably for Lute since they both cared for each other. It really doesn't make sense to take one of OG Eden for and snuff him out prematurely for a gag. Especially when more than likely it's Eve who's the Root of all Evil.

Never thought I'd be an Adam Apologist (Even tho he's my fav character I love him so much) but uhhh... HERE I AM I GUESS

Even though he was a sexist pig and mass murderer I was a little disappointed Adam was killed off. There’s still so much we don’t know. Like how his relationship with Eve was. Or Lilith confronting him as this is mostly about Lilith’s daughter putting up with her mom’s toxic ex. Keep in mind the story we hear in the beginning is the one Charlie’s parents told her so, it could be a little biased. Personally I think Adam did eat the apple. And eating it didn’t affect whether he enter heaven or not. Adam would have used it to his defense. I don’t think Adam would come back but, some flashbacks would be nice.

Dickmaster was honestly my favorite character from season 1 of hazbin, he was such a fucking entertaining prick

See I take issue with him being the "bad guy" and dying like he did cause if the Fruit of Knowledge also gave Free Will, and he didn't eat from it, he was litttle more than just a robot listening to Heaven's desires and commands without question. If he were to reincarnate in Hell in the same wat St Pentious reincarnated into Heaven, he absolutely could be taught right from wrong like you said.

With how episode 8 cancels what the book in episode 1 says, I think Lilith created that book just to gaslight Charlie, Lucifer and the other sinners into believing that she actually cared about hell and she was the victim in the garden of eden. Which I think she actually never cared about hell, and Adam was a really good person, but then Lilith broke him to the core which caused him to have a really blowing hatred towards her and her sinners. Which also affected his attitude as the first man and a holy figure.

My partner and i watched this show again last night and he was like ugh adam sucks but i SO hope they bring him back some how. I hope they find a way to give him a redemption arc, because although he was infuriating he was funny af. GOD i love this show.

With the intro footage of trying to show Adam as “controlling”, but it doesn’t seem like that to me. But more of a child wanting to play with his friend, or he saw something cool. So maybe he thought he was pushing Lilith’s boundaries, so he was more distant with Eve, but that cause her feeling lonely and when Lucifer and Lilith came along they gave her a good reason to leave by eating the forbidden fruit. And since he hasn’t eaten the forbidden fruit, Adam’s mentality couldn’t figure out why they left. Which cause him to be very sexist towards women because he doesn’t have the self awareness to blame himself. Especially created by heaven to be perfect and father all humanity and the woman who were made to be with him left and cause evil and sin. He views them as the bad guys while still thinking he’s perfect since he didn’t abandon his loved ones and eat the fruit.

3:13 THANK YOU for pointing that out! I thought, I was the only one to find this odd. I'm not surprised that he's portrayed as this embodiment of "toxic masculinity", when all the bad guys of the original mythology are portrayed as misunderstood, independent and anti-authoritorian characters. But him being sinful, despite not being the one, who ate the fruit, makes me suspicios, that Eve is gonna be portrayed as the free-thinking, "unjustfully" blamed character.

Also important to note that Charlie is reading the story of Hell, which was almost definitely written by Lilith. I personally have the theory that Lilith is just as toxic as Adam, and also wanted control, but decided to just leave (which she also is revealed to have done to go to Heaven). I think that if Adam had met a female Lucifer Angel, the same thing would have happened. I agree with the theory that Adam never ate apple

Point a friend of mine and some others have brought up: if Adam is the first man to go to heaven, does Abel not exist in this universe?? Getting back on track, I think the something to consider: although his view is mostly brought on by pessimism, Lucifer brought up the point that after people gained free will, there were many that committed wrongs despite having knowledge of moral standards. Who's to say that if Adam had eaten the fruit, it wouldn't go like when Remy tried explaining to Emile the way he experiences flavor in "Ratatouile", but with more rudeness? Also, while I do love the idea of Adam descending, my big question is how will Lute react to possibly her only friend being a sinner, especially given her rigid views like " Angels don't make mistakes "? Getting

Leme explain Adams inocence He has all the reson to hate siners cause the first siner TOOK his life in paradise then rulled hell And the second leader of hell is the guy who gave aplle that corupted Eve And to those peopele who say HE WAS MEAN TO LILITH Well He was told he can rulle but when he tried to rulle he was rejected wich he acepted prety well He never hunted her down He even looked sad when Lilith rejected him We never saw him be mean to Angels only swear wich is prety much not that bad Also his list he gave to Vagie was litearly not a lie Sir Pentious checked all the marks and got into Heaven so he wasnt wrong Sir pentious never stole Never was selfles And stuck it TO THE MAN Adam was always confused he even asked Charlie. Why u trying to help siners? He is soo confused Sorry for my english

Thank you Finn, you really put things into perspective for me, I really want Adam to remanifest as a sinner and earn his way into heaven

The thing that really annoyed me about Adam is: why is he a frat boy? How the hell does a caveman turn into a frat boy in heaven?

Adam was my favorite villain,I really hope we get to see him again in season 2 and get character development

No. he was a dick, but not evil. yeah, he didn't really care he was killing demons, BUT he was literally under Sera's orders, so if anything she is the bad one. just because she has an adorable sister (Emily) it does not excuse her decisions. she is the one who decided that sinners needed to be culled in order to keep hells numbers down/weaken them. If anything, I think Adams death will end up with either him being brought back as a demon, or Sera herself being cast down-not only did her Decision get the 'first man' killed, but charlie has proven sinners can be redeemed so...Sera is responsible for all those demons souls being erased. Note: Yes, it was adams IDEA, but Adam also says people should be worshiping his nuts so...if he's not listened to then, why anyone listen to his extermination idea? They would if they fully agree with it. Sera is the leader, and what happens now, fully depends on what choice she makes. Will she continue the extermination? because lets face it. Demons like Valentino are not going to change, and are perfectly happy living their sinful life, and enjoy causing others pain. Many more demons are like him. Sera Still might think the exterminations are needed. Charlie can not save everyone and Adam is right about the majority of demons: they are in hell for a reason.

I find it baffling how everyone hates Adam, and calls him "evil", while on the same time being absolutly fine with all the other characters. He does nothing what other characters aren't doing and ussually they are much worse. People also never give him a benefit of a doubt, and allwys assume worst of him. The only information about how he was in the beggining comes from his ex-wife and the guy who cucked him. Twice. They are not objective in the slightest. And as far as Lilith goes she is an absolute pice of shit herself. Her leaving Adam aside, she destroys his new relationship for no reason, creates Hell in the process and unlike Lucifer feels no reamorese whats so ever. She is also a terrbile mother who alienates her daughter from her father, and then ambanons her herself. And as a cherry on top, she escapes from the shithole she crated to haven. Adam has every reason to hate the deamons, especially Lucifer, and his daughter who is a fruit of Lilith betrayal. Another thing is that basically every characer in the series weares a "mask" (he does it literally, and never puts it off, until it gets destroyed when he dies). For example the episode with Angel Dust, in which we learn he acts the way he does to cope with his shitty life. Its not a streach to assume it may be the same with Adam. I think its easy to see his confidence is rather fake. I also see many people like to ignore his last smile to Lute. I think its the only moment in this show in which he shows his true face (literally), and he dies in peace knowing that someone cares for him and does not betray him like everyone else.

Honestly Adam wasn’t wrong he was just spitting facts but it was the way he went about it in the wrong way

"DID ADAM DESERVE TO DIE?!" *Yes* In order for Adam to have his character arc continue, it would not *suffice* for him to remain an angel. It would not suffice for him to survive the final battle. For his character arc to go anywhere, Adam *has to die* . Plain and simple. If you want him redeemed, then he has to die so he can experience life in Hell for himself; if you want the genocidal narcissistic jackass to be stopped, then he *has to die* . Plain and simple. Adam deserves death, either because he deserves to die for the horrible shit he's done, or because he deserves a chance at redemption that he'll never get if he's allowed to get pampered by Heaven some more.

What also is interesting to mention Adam was just spawned as an Adult together with Lilith. He skipped childhood aka the tutorial. Since eden he was playing the Game of Life on Nightmare difficulty. He was spawned a wife( no need to actually discover who he is or how to get to know/and to get along with another person commonly known as the dating phase) and told to populate the earth.... bro didnt even get told basic morality, he skipped all that. Thats why he probably was a less than stellar farther (his kids literally killed another over envy), an even worse husband. How would he? He didnt have any moral guidance as a child or even ate the fruit that lets him magically know good from bad. How is he supposed to know, he was just doing as he was told... and given the ancient times probably kicked the bucket by his 40s at best maybe even earlyer while he got spawned in his 20s... he has the life experience of a 10-20 year old ofc he wouldnt know alot about how the human experience... and given he was then just admitted to heaven by default cuz hes the first guy he did his job. Then one day asked why people go to hell and got told cuz they are bad people so this festered into him going around killing those sinners.... sure a lot of them are awful and unapologetic so they definetly deserve to be there. this also shines a whole new light on "You didnt know" its not just about knowing adam was leading angels into battle to kill a bunch of unapologetic examples of the worst things humanity has created. Its also about Heaven not even knowing the first thing about what it actually means to be good or how these systems work. They know when people get there and just assume ok they are good people. When sinners have a better understanding of what gets them where they are vs what the denizens of the pearly gates get told. Sure you can just not commit any sins or get pardoned by a pope or sth but then they gotta explain Sir pentious. Its very clear on Seras face when he gets spawned right in front of her (likely by the guy in the sky himself as a sort of joke) and his very existance questions their understanding of how these systems actually work especally since god seems to be a higher power than even heaven who are just managing his place. But in favor of heaven you can even argue how they are supposed to know either. Its likely they werent told anything either so they are also going off blind guesses of how things work as well Tldr nobody knows a thing and is tapping in the dark with 0 instructions while tasked with the most important things in creation namely managing the afterlife(s)

I cannot express just how much I need Adam to come back as a sinner next season

We can all agree that adam has a high chance of coming back

I would love to see Adam come back! But I think it would be better for him to come back at the end of season 2 as a surprise twist cliff hanger or something. Like he just shows up at the hotel maybe confused? It’s taken awhile for him to manifest. I actually love him, and I think the reason why is because he’s oddly consistent in character for Vivzies characters, while also not being completely one note, and I believe there’s something good in there. I also think it would be better for Adam to not eat the apple of knowledge when Eve told him to not cuz “she’s just an ignorant chic” but “because father(god)/the angles told us not to” which would bring us right to the “don’t steal” on Adam’s list.

Yeah, I thought Adam was going to eventually be redeemed not die. He seemed honestly very redeemable.

I hope Adam does get reincarnated and gets redeemed.

Just imagine the plot, Lute seeing Adam in Hell alive, like a sinner...

If Adam didn’t eat the apple of knowledge and evil, he doesn’t know what’s good or bad, so he isn’t aware of doing bad things, so he has a clean conscience regardless of what he does, that is then reinforced by him being in heaven. Similar to an animal or a young kid breaking something, it’s bad, but we don’t blame them because they don’t know any better.

When you realize Adam inadvertently proved Charlie right by killing Sir Pentious.

The idea of him not having eaten the fruit would be an interesting twist.

I love Adam and nothing can stop me

I want Adam to come back, not only because you have some really good points, but also because it would be hilarious to see him check into the hotel

They show the sinners deserve to be down there. They also show overlords collecting souls makes them more powerful. Thus the purge is completely justified and makes total sense. Even if a soul can be redeemed, that doesn’t mean the overlords won’t get to them first or stop the whole redemption process once it’s a revealed threat to their power. In short, Adam’s personality failures are totally redeemed in his leading the purges and saving all of heaven and maybe even earth from hell taking over. His true failure was the gross incompetence of leaving hoards of angelic weapons scattering hell every year for the overlords to gather. Like come on dude.

I bet that if Eve said that apple made you cooler, Adam would’ve ate it

While I definitely want to see Adam reborn as a sinner, he was killed by an angelic weapon whilst Pentious was disintegrated by Adam’s laser. So is it even possible for Adam to come back because if he does that contradicts everything about angelic steel and how souls can be permanently destroyed. The only way they could possibly bring Adam back in Hell without screwing up the lore would be because he’s the original man and different from other angels as a result. That’s my opinion at least. Would love for it to happen, but the team can’t pull it out of their asses. It’s gotta make sense.

I would be pretty disappointed if Adam doesn't get a chance to be redeemed and maybe even learn what love is and realize that he likes Lute

I'd love to see Adam become a sinner demon in Season 2. As far as whether he "deserves" to die, that really depends on things we don't and probably won't ever know; namely whether he actually had the capacity for empathy and still chose to go on massive killing sprees or never had a chance of knowing what he was doing was wrong.

people actually have empathy with alastor but they won't try to even listen to adam's dialogue or behavior but instead focus on the fact of him being a villain.

I knew he wasn’t as evil as he was made to be once he smiled at that one girl before he died

Adam was entertaining and he was a great singer. I want him to return as sinner just for more screen time

I feel like it only makes sense for Adam to come back as a sinner and redeem himself, that’s the whole point of the show, that everyone should be given the opportunity to change.