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@TANKTHEARC According to the John Hopkin's "Gender differences in General Aviation Crashes" research paper, male pilots are more likely to cause crashes due to "poor decision making, unnecessary risk-taking and inattentiveness" and have more serious consequences, while female pilots are more likely to cause crashes due to "pilot error such as inability to recover from a stall, incorrect use of the rudder and poor response to a bounce", often due to the mishandling of the aircraft's kinetics.
It was a known fact for many years the small commuter carriers were over loading their planes. Although the manufacture had recommended weight limits, many airlines considered them underrated and continued to pile on the luggage and other goods until things like this happened. Pushing the limit.. All about the money.
While you may be correct the overloading didn't cause the crash. It didn't help, but it's not why it crashed. Had the elevator functioned properly, we'd not be watching this video.
@@lbowsk you got that in reverse m8, the plane flew with the elevator settings like that several times already just fine. It is the overloading which unfortunately tips the balance for this particular flight.
There's another factor that was involved. A faulty repair. If this aircraft would've been properly maintained. Then this accident wouldn't have happened.
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Thank You for making this well done and accurate documentary. I was a crew member based in CLT for Mesa Air Group (parent company for Air Midwest). I knew both CA Katie Leslie and FO Jonathan JJ Gibbs very well. The world lost 2 of the best pilots Jan 08. And 19 passengers lost their lives as well. I still get water works from my eyes when thinking about 5481. However the airline industry became a safer experience because of this accident. RIP to the Crew and Passengers
Well it doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad plane mechanic, in the army I have Friends that can take apart and put back together helicopter blinded but sucks with car mechanics ahaha
44 years as a engineer, working with engineers, we had saying, "I would not fly on the plane that D-- X--- had worked on." Some people are good at their jobs, and some people are very.....average! Peace be unto you.
I flew the 1900 for Air Midwest from 1999-2002 until I switched to the RJ at Mesa which is who owned Air Midwest. I knew CA Katie very well, she was a great pilot. Even today that memory on Jan 8th still hurts.
I knew Katie myself as well. We went to the same university and partly worked on our commercial ratings together. Last time I saw her was in a Mexican restaurant that I worked at back in 1998.
In the event of a tail heavy take off: Leave gear down, induce a small bank if youre still losing airspeed despite max forward stick, this allows the aircraft to slip slightly on its sudden climb and should stop the increasing angle of attack. Use opposite rudder delicately for course correctionon if necessary. Keep a low positive rate. Use the entire length of remaining runway to gain speed and control, any obstacles at the end can be cleared using the extra speed. Flaps can also be used to help push the nose down which may aid in your recovery attempt.
Great video and reporting on this tragedy! I live in Charlotte and even though this was 20 years ago, it's still something everyone around here remembers. The details of the investigation were quite shocking and tragic.
This has nothing to do with being overloaded (total amount of weight) and everything to do with not knowing *where* the weight is (distribution of weight). The average passenger weight calculation doesn't tell you *where* the heavier passengers are. This also applies to cargo and heavier than normal baggage. If you assume all cargo and all people have the same mass when in reality it varies then the center of mass could be in a very different place than you think. You could also have the problem if the passengers in the front rows are lighter than you think, moving the center of mass backward. The better systems in modern use measure the weight on each of the three wheels to accurately place where the center of mass is, and issue a warning when it's not within the allowed area. But that often isn't used in smaller planes. If you've ever been on a plane where the cabin crew ask passengers to move to new seats before takeoff, that's the result of this system. The pilots are seeing a reading from the independent scales in each landing gear spring that tells them the weight is too unbalanced to be allowed to take off. One solution can be to pump fuel between the tanks to change center of mass but sometimes it's faster to just move the passengers if the fuel load can't be easily moved.
You said "The better systems in modern use measure the weight on each of the three wheels to accurately place where the center of mass is, and issue a warning when it's not within the allowed area. But that often isn't used in smaller planes". "If you've ever been on a plane where the cabin crew ask passengers to move to new seats before takeoff, that's the result of this system. The pilots are seeing a reading from the independent scales in each landing gear spring that tells them the weight is too unbalanced to be allowed to take off...." Did you pull this out of your ass? Because it's not true.
Sort of, but it's not usually that fancy of thing like 'spring scales in the landing gear'. It's a calculation done by the first officer. We have seating zones, such as A, B, C, D. If the weight of 'C' is much more than 'A' (for example) then the FO will ask the flight attendant to move a certain number of passengers forward. This happened all the time when I worked, the FO would call back and ask me to 'move 6 passengers from C to A, please'.
I have absolutely zero interest in mechanics or airplanes but this channel was recommended to me and I've been Binge watching since last night. He really puts you in the plane
@Chuck Yeager ugh can you not read? My name is Edie, with one ONE d, are you seriously telling me you think that pronounces 'eddie?' 🤣😂🤣😂 how embarrassing
I remember this very well. I saw the news on the day of the accident, and passed through RDU the following day. Felt a bit strange, seeing the NTSB investigators from my seat on the BA/AA departure to LHR. The crash site was clearly visible from the runway, and it was a sobering thought that less than 24 hours before, that wreckage had been a plane taking off from the runway I was hurtling down...
Why would anyone take a flight of only 70 miles? It is only about an hour drive. By the time you go to the airport, get on the plane, make the flight and leave the next airport you have waisted far more time than just driving.
It's way cheaper than a taxi. Take a plane to a big airport and then hop to a smaller one (or the other way around) and you save a hundred dollars or so on taxi fare. It's not locals doing it to go shopping or something.
PERHAPS they originated somewhere MUCH further away than 70 miles and took an airplane ride TO Charlotte because that's where the connection was? We're not talking rocket science here.
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I remember seeing this on the news the day it happened. Also, I remember seeing a documentary that gave more of the blame to the maintenance worker (singular). Apparently, a nut was not tightened far enough down a screw which hampered this plane's ability to nose down. Further, the maintenance worker was allowed to sign his own QA paperwork instead of having it inspected by QA. The documentary went on to include the increased average weight of passengers and the miscalculation of the COB. I find it interesting that this channel puts more emphasis on the cause towards the misbalanced load vs shotty maintenance when compared to the documentary.
Surely it should be possible to put sensors on the landing gear that would be able to tell if the aeroplane is overweight or the c of g is out of the required range?
It would be pretty easy to do, the planes already have hydraulic shocks. Just put a spring loaded ball attached to a bright red flag along the top of the cylinder. Too much pressure = obvious red "OVERWEIGHT" flag sticking out. It wouldn't be fail safe however, as any junk/obstruction/corrosion would make the flag pop out at too high a weight.
They do have this on larger planes. In fact it also tells them *where* the center of mass is since it can calculate that from reading the weight in three different locations (left gear, right gear, and nose gear). The bigger problem isn't how much the plane weighed but that since the extra weight was in the back, it moved the center of mass behind the wings. The *location* of the mass was a far bigger problem here than just the sheer total amount of it, so having the measure in three locations to find the center of mass was a large helpful safety measure. But smaller planes often don't have that system.
Air Midwest is a name I hadn't thought of in many years. Back during grad school, I worked for a regional commuter that merged with Air Midwest back in 1985. I interviewed for a couple of positions with them but passed due their instituting a 2-tier pay structure, with those from the merged airline being paid less. Plus at the time having to relocate to Wichita, KS. Sorry to hear of the crash and their later demise.
One thing that deserves a mention is that Douglas and Tereasa Shepard, whose daughter, Christiana was lost in the crash went a step further by not only demanding financial compensation from Air Midwest, but also an apology. They did this by putting a face to their daughter's name. Well, in the end, the airline did deliver a full public apology to the relatives and associates of the 21 people who perished that day, and this actually proved to be somewhat precedent setting.
You weight the bags, you weigh the people... the plane does not give a fuck if the 200lbs is from a person or a bag. Also we do not truly know the weight of all the passengers, they STILL used average weight of other flights.
My dad was considered a mechanical expert on the 1900D and was brought to NC as part of the NTSB's investigation. He wouldn't tell us about his time there and only recently told me that when he was brought to the crash site to begin auditing for mechanical failure, the bodies were still present on the crash site. That was all I could get him to say on the matter apart from how that year was when he truly began to consider retirement. RIP to all who were killed in this tragedy and condolences to all who were affected directly or indirectly.
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This is one of the reasons that flying makes me nervous. My life depends on a series of individuals, anyone of which, if they fuck up, can result in the deaths of everyone onboard!
Do keep in mind that these videos highlight the mistakes of the past so we can correct and improve on the present! Travelling by plane only gets safer and safer over time! Also in reality, you're far more likely to die in a car crash than in a plane crash to put some things into perspective
@@SamHuang69 Statistically true, none the less, still nervous. Hard to put one's life in the hands of others. Of course any idiot driving a car can kill you just as well.
I remember when it happened. Horrible, short, nasty, brutal accident. Snuffed out in an instant. Criminally negligent maintenance administration by Raytheon. More than 1/2 the fault can be directly attributed to them and their bean counters. Teaming two very inexperienced pilots is a baaaaad idea, however having a very experienced one might not have saved them. I'd be tempted to make sure that I measure the elevators with an angle gauge EVERY time I pre-check my airplane (if I'm not doing the maintenance.). Had it been done correctly of course this video would not have been made.
As someone who edits for wikihow, that 2024 date was the last time that the page was updated, which could have been a minor spelling fix. The steps could easily be from 2013
sounds to me like this is more of a maintenance and proper management issue than overweight. Not saying it wasn't overweight because it was but often those measurements are considered the "Safe" operating parameters but can easily be surpassed by the plane. I would say that the airline should have never let the plane get past the weight limit and to think that the maintenance people restricted the pilot's ability to control the plane in such a severe way is outrageous especially when they had the proper information at hand.
I live by KGSP airport, Spartanburg Greenville. It’s a decent little airport. It’s dead 24/7. FedEx has a hub there and when I worked there doing concrete work, planes would land just a a short distance ahead of us. It’s awesome every time.
Even if the stated takeoff weight of 17,018 pounds had been correctly calculated, that weight still would have been over 99 percent of the maximum takeoff weight value for the aircraft. In other words, no safety margin whatsoever.
This is why overweight people need to stop complaining and learn a few things about how flight works. Same with people who feel entitled on taking multiple large and heavy check in and carryon luggage.
So similar to a fatal accident I witnessed. I am based out of Columbia SC and the FBO blares ground and tower comms from speakers so linemen know planes are inbound. A 402B used for freight took off and immediately started wildly pitching up and down. He got to about 300 agl and was screaming the entire time. Made it 3/4 around the circuit and when reducing power went straight in and exploded. It was concluded the planes elevator was adjusted just hours earlier. He made it was Charlotte to Columbia, then it happened. Maint had not properly secured the elevator connection and iirc a shift change happened and the final check was never completed.
A little bit of a fact check: The popularity of the Beech 1900D did not diminish, like you state. The reason you don't see many of them now is simply that they reached end of life (for main stream operators) and were replaced by newer aircraft. This happenes to all aircraft types.
Moreso that its job had been cut. Saab canceled the 340 (and 2000), Raytheon the 1900, Bombardier the Dash 8 100-300, Embraer the Brasilia. Small fields lost service, now with no aircraft to serve them (strangely our local field, Palmer, built a jetway, for Northwest’s Saab 340, explain that one, Northwest retired the Saab’s, and having no plane to fly, it lost service). Having no fields that required the aircraft, there was no need for a replacement. Was down in Charlotte for business a while back, the flight is now being flown by a CRJ 🤷🏼♂️. Our state got hit hard with the scrapping of turboprops, US Air had service to everywhere on the dash’s and 1900’s, they left. Continental took over with Commutair and/or Gulfstream and their 1900’s and Saab’s, they (having no aircraft) left. Now we have Southern in Caravans. Speedy they are not.
Average weight for passengers in 2003 being 175 pounds? My guys.... We're talking about Americans here, that should been an average of at least 200 pounds and even that would probably be low EDIT: Huh... I guess I could've just waited for the video to point out 195 was the actual average....
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I love your videos. You are the only channel that goes into fine details starting with the plane and its history. It really helps people that dont know much about GA or smaller Turbo props. Keep up the amazing work. Im still working my way through your old videos.
WOW can you imagine being on board that plane as it was heading fast towards the ground? Unreal! I think the pilots could have stabilized the plane if they had full control of the elevator. They had no chance. RIP for all.
Raytheon dropped the ball. Improper maintenance quality control crews. They were totally incapable of performing the required maintenance check correctly.
Whenever I fly a commuter plane, I look around at the passengers. If all seats are full, I feel dread, especially if there are a lot of men or obese women. And in high altitude airports such as Denver, when they occasionally have to limit the load because of heat and the high elevation, and they say they need to deplane two passengers, I feel so nervous, thinking that if the plane is that close to being overweight, simply by two passengers, I want to stand up and shout, “please take the two fattest passengers”.
The piston Beech Queen Air 65 was an unheralded but great aircraft. It was great working with heavy loads in the mountains of Mexico. Their supercharged motors of 340 hp Lycomings were outstanding & trouble free. Beech 1900. It's not the weight. The aircraft will take the excess weight. It's the C.G.
