Did Ancient Soldiers Get PTSD? DOCUMENTARY 

You really put out the dumbest question I have heard in a long long time, wtf is wrong with you man

Ww1 tool place in the early 20th century, please look it up

do vikings!

Did warriors who had the chance to call out their opposition on the battlefield, shouting out their forbears names and their lists of victories inviting a worthy warrior to come out for single combat suffer PTSD as theirs was the choice to do so and weren't constrained by commands to 'hold the line,' or 'over the top now.' I feel much of the problems is about not being in control in situations so would also ask does the alpha humans who expects to be able to control their environment around them suffer more than us lower betas lower IQ plebs who expect to be abused in one way or the other? Just asking.

Also the assyrian medical quote is clearly speaking of sleep paralysis, hallucination, cognition, unable to move or speak out. How does that sound like PTSD? It doesmt even cover any of the symptoms you described in the video??

Jasson Reyes are u talking about the theban sacred band

@@thomasbrady3827 I think he is. Its the only one I know of with that rumor behind it. Or truth. Idk

@Jasson Reyes that's the sacred band of Thebes, and I thought it had been called out as fake rumors spread by the Athenians

@@billy-the-butcher people like to make gay headcanons of everything. Like people from victorian eras or war being close to each other is immediately gay. They were brotherly but not to the modern notion of gay and gay sex. Its annoying how they disregard context like that. Especially in the sense of submissive and weak

@@ceroew4239 it's all about context. In ancient Greece, the Sacred Band of Thebes was not an army. But a unit, composed of 150 pairs of men. One older, veteran warrior, the "erastis" who acted, and one younger, the "eromenos". "Erastis" and "eromenos", in modern English can be translated in a single word as "lover", which easily causes this misconception. "Erastis" is actually the one who loves, and "eromenos" is the one who is loved, but not in the sense of sexual love. The Erastis was the teacher, who loved and treated the eromenos as his own son, and the eromenos was like a disciple, the student of the erastis. The misconception of gay acts in the Sacred Band begun somewhere in the 1960s, but if you study several historical scripts that refer to the Sacred Band of Thebes, never is it mentioned, with any form of certainty, that those 300 men had any sort of sexual relationship. Some historians only mention specific rumors spread out by the Athenians about Thebes due to a mutually negative atmosphere between the two cities, something they'd consider "slander" back then. Look, I'm not against gay people or anything, because I'm sure someone may hurry to say something like that, that I'm being subjective and trying to alter history. History is history. People want to believe that ancient Greeks were pro gay and stuff, but the truth is they weren't. The Athenians considered gays to be unnatural. The Athenian politician Solon, who wrote the most famous Athenian Laws of Solon, wrote laws that said that: if a citizen was gay, they'd lose all their rights as a citizen, and in cases where a gay wouldn't comply to the law and "stop being gay", they could even end up being exiled away from Athens. And remember, the Athenians were considered to be the most "civilized" towards those people when it came to dealing with them, you can imagine what it was like in Sparta for example. That alone must make some people realize that, unlike what it's being said today, homosexuality was definitely not something widespread or even approved of in ancient Greece. If you were gay in ancient Greece, you could easily end up in exile far away from home, or in harsh cases even worse dead, for your sexual preferences. When it came to dealing with gays, the ancient greeks would make the most intense conservatives of Mississippi look like softies.

They'll never look at horses the same way

If I remember the Odyssey correctly...there were no Trojan veterans.

@@BoarhideGaming Romans claimed to have been the descendants of Trojan refuges according to the Aeneid. It's why the Romans had a weird hatred and respect for the Greeks.

Josephus the Scholar It was a joke, because 99.9% of Troja was looted, burned, murdered and torn down

Guess that's why Rome used the eagle instead of the horse.

Perfect point i think people back in the past would've really struggled to fit in to city life, especially with soldiers being gone for years at a time, death and destruction constantly on there minds. The people from let's say WW2 had it bad but i can't imagine someone from Roman times trying to come back from a 5 year campaign where he saw 50 battles and killed probably over 100 people. That's if he even survived at all. You would've had people that couldn't care and would've loved dying for the Republic/Empire seeing as most were bought up this way to be taught that battle was a glorious thing from birth. There might've been a handful every year however that fit perfectly into the category of PTSD and never spoke about it or when they did were just a crazy person.

Nice observation about the myth of Hercules.

@@dontcare9462 10 battles a year what a busy army

@@dontcare9462 1 MAN 100 PEOPLE? stfu

@@stahleis Yeah, even a highly experienced soldier always in the thick of battle is unlikely to have killed more than a score of people in their entite career. Can't fault OP for his ignorance, though.

This! I wrote a thesis just on this!

@@alanspaulding8283 Hey dude, could you share or e-mail your thesis to me? I’m very interested on this subject and I’d love to see what others have written about it!

@@alanspaulding8283 could u also share the thesis with me? U never expected people to be interested in it hahaa

@@alanspaulding8283 yes, please share it with us if you can

@@alanspaulding8283 I would also like to read your thesis.

“ARGH HAVE AT THEE, FOUL GAUL!” “UNCLE STOP! THAT’S MY CHILDREN’S SKULL NOT A GALLIC WARRIOR!”

@@SteveSmith-ty8ko "Uncle...talk to me...I understand. I still remember... the punitive expedition after Teutonberg Forest. I still see Centurion Heraclius' face at night. Telling me I let him down. They may not have been Gauls, but the Germanic barbarians were not a joke either."

Charlie's in the tree, maaaan. Funny enough, as a trucker in the US, we use that phrase when referring to cops on bridges w/ radar guns...they have runners post-bridge to chase down the speeders. "Copy southbound, you got a charlie in the tree at the exit".

I laughed far harder at this than would be acceptable in polite company

The trees talked maaaan

They waged continual war on their healots

Hair of the dog, I guess

"Waging more war" isn't specific enough. Waging more war wouldn't help if you lost, your comerades died, and you got your butt kicked. If you went in and kicked the enemies butt, saved your comerades, and everyone was fine (on your side), then it might help.

And giving their children PTSD from the start. You can't get PTSD if you already had it!

As someone who had PTSD, I'd offer it was because combat was the place they most felt at home. Being a civilian becomes too difficult to contend with-everything seems phony and shallow and layered under unnecessary BS while you walk around half-expecting the facade of civility to crumble at any time, but it doesn't (Except for when it does and guess who's ready!). You feel alienated because the few people you trust don't understand this kind of overactive ennui mixed with suspicion. This also leads to difficulties with the civilian environment and its people because you're always ready to go full on attack, which can lead to extreme overreactions (either externalized or internalized) that scare the shit out of the normals or else you hold it in and that can lead to other problems without learning or developing healthy coping skills. But in violent situations, the reactions lead by the circuits of the rewired brain are entirely appropriate. For all the chaos and horror of war, there's a kind of simplicity and honesty that can be missed. This isn't the same for everyone with PTSD, but that's how I interpret the story of this Spartan through the lens of how my own PTSD manifested. I agree that it says a lot about Spartan society in that, being so focused on warfare, it's almost as if it was largely set up for and by people with PTSD (which is probably close to the truth) and to prime people who aren't prone to develop PTSD for function in that environment.

The community is lucky to have you!! 👏👏

@@feefee6889 hey thanks you’re awesome for saying that

@@epycadventures we need people like you! You’re so important for everyone 👏🙏🏻

Much respect sir!

@@runningthor1999 cheers friend

ROMA INVICI!

Incredibilis

That’s clearly a story idiot, there’s no such thing as ptsd for people of that time period. Killing was something normal thought from early age, you have to be mentally insufficient to believe in it.

Ajax actually slew his companions believing they were a flock of sheep. The most probable explanation is manic depression

​@@iasonprifti3899 How does this relate to bipolar disorder?

@@BattistaInvicta it doesn't relate at all. Bipolar is a mood disorder, possibly caused by chenical imbalance in the brain. It can be treated by medication like SSRI's. PTSD is a reaction to mental trauma and is most closely related to personality disorders. It can be treated with traditional psychotherapy, though there is growing research showing psychotropic drugs may be a useful addition to therapy.

@@iasonprifti3899 wrong

It's all bread and circuses until the trees starts speaking Germanic.

Calm yourself Marius, it's just Quintus playing with his toy sword.

It would make more sense about the romans vs the germans, but teutenburg forest had few if any survivors.

*strumming Fortunate Son on lyre*

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 there were a few survivors, thats how we have the commentary on the disaster. I think they were mostly cavalry, the ones that weren't Germanic traitors of course.

Maybe, but only survivors get it, so I don't see the weakness.

PTSD wasnt a recognized condition up until well in to the great war. During the first years of the war people with PTSD/Shell shock would sometimes get shot because of cowardness

@@rikardgladt , so tragic This shows how you can't depend on social views for the world Especially, those concerning gender roles, strength or bravery

I believe a good killer/aka a psychopath won’t have ptsd

Umh based?

Coloring sticks*

@@crimsonhawk4912 crunchy, colorful treats*

Ink?

They drank paints.

arya31ful eka Lead based paints. It’s why they were so aggressive.

Battle fatigue is another name used as well.

@@AngloImperial I'm just adding another name that was used to describe PTSD before/during the Vietnam conflict.

As a non American, Man, your Vietnam war sounds more and more fucked up. And my country was a puppet country of USA during cold war

Fun fact: many disorders in the DSM are only described so a prescription can be made. They aren't "actual" illnesses.

I mentioned how I wrote a paper about this a few months ago and how this guy talks about almost everything I did, he however didn't have an exact take on it as I did. My conclusion was that "Personally, while I strongly disagree with the wars the US has undertaken, I say without a doubt in my mind that those who truly fought with death need to be admired, integrated into society, and financially supported." I think it's a shame that modern soldiers don't get the spoils of war as in other times soldiers were given wealth. Now only the rich get richer with their own private slave army.

Man of culture I see. =)

Was the Alligator enclosure next to the elephants or something?

Haha somebodies been watching Mark Felton

Really ? Explain please

@@maximederak Said alligator was in Berlin zoo during WW2, and survived Allied air raids and Battle of Berlin. It was taken to Moscow zoo. When in early -93 there was coup attempt against Jeltsin, tanks rumbled by the zoo, and shot the Parliament. Caretaker said alligator made distressed noises, like it was reminded of Berlin. He, Saturn died 22.5.2020, aged 84. Almost double normal lifespan of alligator. Edit: Few fixes to info and dates.

why did they call it that?

@@jamiel6005 because it gives you foot terror? Duh

Because the fear follows you/walks with you.

Interesting

Cuz If you don’t wash ur feet then the smell terrorizes everyone

I don't think barely anyone would live long enough in that period to become a grandfather, let alone a grandfather to a child who is old enough to talk.

@@davecullins1606 You would be wrong to think that. People had children at a fairly young age and could very well live to age 60 and older. The often mentioned life expectancies or 30-40 in ancient times only hold true if you consider that a LOT of people died during very early childhood. Once they were ~6 years old, they could expect to live a fairly long life.

@@Saufs0ldat Ahh. So their grandfather is like 40 - 45 at this point.

@Ahmed El-Mhemadawi Ali is savage.

@Ahmed El-Mhemadawi Ali is savage because he'a ruthless enough to beat the shit out of a 97 year old. Thanks for the story though. It sounds like something out of 3 Kingdoms novel. Awesome.

Really, it's a nature part of being human. If you're getting into a situation that closely mirrors the one that the trauma happened in, your brain is automatically going to prepare you in case that event happens again since we're hardwired to recognize patterns.

@pyropulse Enjoying it can also be a symptom of PTSD as odd as that sounds. But it's fairly common for survivors to try to seek out similar situations to gain a sense of control. This can be both good and bad, sometimes it can be a form of self harm where you intentionally trigger flashbacks and distress which only hurt you, sometimes literally as physical pain can in fact be triggered by PTSD though that is more common in C-PTSD, other times however it can be a healthy outlet, if you can find a situation which is similar but harmless it can be a safe way to deal with feelings that could otherwise hurt you. It can also happen because a situation can be both psychologically traumatic but physically pleasurable, sexual assault is the obvious one since we have no control over whether we orgasm or not but in all traumatic situations you're also likely to experience an adrenaline boost, which is a high that does feel good in some way just like anything else. It might lead to you having conflicting feelings where the memory of the event will make you cry but it's also exhilarating. It's especially common in survivors of childhood sexual abuse since they obviously have no prior non-traumatic experience of sex and as such this is the only form of sex they're familiar so they might seek it out because of that, even if they're consciously aware what sex is supposed to be like it wont truly register before they experience actual consensual sex. Trauma at a young age can also change the neurology of your brain, and really young age can mean anytime before you're fully grown up which only truly happens when you're around 25 so this includes young recruits, it can result in the pathways that give you rewards being weakened and as such you might not feel all that much from things that usually make people happy and instead the pathways for fear and danger can be reinforced making those feelings a lot easier to feel and more common. This can also result in repetition since that might be your only way of really feeling anything and as anyone with depression can tell you, even feeling bad feelings is better than feeling nothing. All in all repetition is a fairly common behavior in traumatized people and whether it's good or bad is really up to the individual and it can also change over time, a coping mechanism (things you do to function as a human) can start out being helpful but become maladaptive over time and hurt you but you can also find a healthy outlet for something that used to hurt you.

It's worth mentioning that PTSD is far from the only disorder caused by trauma, Anxiety, Depression, OCD, Borderline Personality Disorder, Complex PTSD, Dissociative Disorders, Bipolar Disorder (both type 1 and 2) and a lot more can all be caused by trauma. PTSD is just one diagnosis, which probably due to it's name has received the most attention but reactions to trauma can manifest themselves in many ways and all of them should be taken just as seriously. I think it'd be worth it for you to talk with a professional about it because you've already noticed these behaviors in yourself and you can probably start to reign them in before they get worse, in general with mental illnesses it's always true that the earlier you do something about it the less serious it'll get.

@@hedgehog3180 No no no! Don't you get it?! Pyropulse is the BADDEST ASS HUMAN TO EVER WALK THE EARTH! Once, when he was a teenager, someone pointed a gun at him! His friend cowered but pyropulse VALIANTLY laughed it off! This was his VERY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH VIOLENCE NONETHELESS! Since then, his life has been like the Highlander! Just looking for violence everywhere he goes to set things straight because HE isn't scared of being murdered like the rest of us pansies! He didn't even need to pass BUDS or any similar grueling test, he taught himself in his parents backyard with no prior violent experiences, how to be such a badass! Pyropulse is a National hero and should be regarded as such!

My suspicion is that PTSD is actually a few different things or has subtypes

i dont think it has to be a physical threat, i think prolonged emotional trauma can do it too

@@soodanoon4813 it can. Im physically a strong individual who thrived in violent situations. But emotional manipulation and abuse from the ones I loved and then a month in which several friends killed themselves made me snap. Was diagnosed with ptsd 6 months ago. After 3 years of therapy

Wow, interesting. It makes sense, many soldiers (modern or ancient) were struck by fear, shock and that sensation of powerlessness, seeing how they friends died by their side while they couldn't do anything. It was probably terrifying

I worked in a slaughterhouse, PTSD in those places is off the chain, though it's not officially accepted so trying to get a diagnosis is impossible. We didn't get any kind of support from the company, no staff welfare either. Decapitating 1000 animals a day, killing day old bobby calves, gutting dry dairy cows only to find they're in calf, or watching them abort on the killing floor, killing 10 week old lamb. Running for your life when a 1 tonne steer gets up off the floor in a rage after a failed stunned. Plus MANY more violent and disturbing things I don't even want to talk about. It all takes It toll.

@@vitallink4830 Fuck mate that sounds shit. Have you got anyone that is or has been in the same job to talk to? Iv got my mum an ex trained Nurse herself and my colleagues/work mates so just a thought. Though we are also offered staff counselling at the hospital. You gotta find your own healthy way to cope, I talk to to my mum as a debrief after work and did go airsofting (abit like paintball) before the pandemic as a release. Sometimes its good to just scream and cry aswell.

ROCKS! It only makes logical sense, obviously...

Hahaha

Why do we have statues then, huh? /s

Nice 😂😂😂

Did ancient humans exist at all? 8OOO It bewilders me that some of the comments are already dismissing the entire video and dismissing the spectrum of PTSD. Tbh, it’s sad that people genuinely can’t seem to grasp that these ancient humans were HUMAN. I’m glad it’s being talked about and understood more.

Interestingly enough, modern vets of the War on Terror are saying the same thing. Dreams of seeing the people they killed around their bed at night.

I wanted to reply regarding this point in a separate comment, but since you mentioned it, I will do that here: I extremely highly doubt that the cases involving ghosts or similar visions have anything to do with PTSD. In Eastern cultures, the phenomenon/entities called Djinn are well known, and widely believed among millions. It's a cultural thing (so don't attempt to evaluate it with your Western views). Suffice to say, such experiences do happen (personally happened to me) and are not induced by any kind of anxiety or stress, but rather by certain kind of mental state. E.g. heavy metal music like that of Prodigy band or similar are heavily discouraged by many people in East because it's been observed to induce such mental states if you give into certain trance-like state while listening to them. Overall, with this example I just wanted to mention the fact that such states of mind are not induced by stress, but by rather different type of experience. My personal experience wasn't metal-music related, but a friend who went through similar, yet quite different type of it was induced by such music in front of my eyes. Thankfully people around me were quite knowledgeable about such things and they managed to wake the victim up effectively via strong odor (perfume) and taste. Otherwise it is extremely easy to swallow your own tongue and get permanent physiological (and possibly mental) damage.

@@focumQuariumwell, a posible, but not necessarily acurate fact.

Hehe ass

@@focumQuarium Evaluating things that do not exist will not change dependent on the place you're from, European, eastern and western scientists alike will say the same things about djinn.

Holy shit, hope he had a long life and whatever he’s going through goes away, I can’t imagine being part of an invisible war the world doesn’t care about, being shot over and over, and living in the jungle with no medical care. I have lots of respect for him.

If only varus gave back his legion

Armenius:splish splash off with your legions head

German speaking trees: yes he is

Where’s my centurions?!?!

GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS!

Pitched battles were not overly common, but they were often bloody when they occurred. The actual situational awareness of an individual soldier on the line in battle was quite low. This is why most battles ended in routes (fear of the unknown is contagious, as is panic in motion), which were themselves often far more bloody than the battle itself. Surviving any pitched battle (up close and often hand to hand) has to traumatize someone.

Hyper-vigilance is good but not everyone with ptsd has that, I would assume if you were a battle hardened soldier/ warrior or whatever your probably gonna be more vigilant. But ptsd makes some people break down.

Meh shooting someone at 300 plus yards seems alot less severe that literally impaling a man death was just more common it wasn't a big deal to see a corpse or violence back then we are very sheltered from these things now

Depending on the time and place (as in everything) combat took different forms and grinding 24/7 fighting wasn't unknown. The vast majority of western European mediaeval fighting tended to be raids that could strike out of nowhere at any time leading to hypervigilance and obsessive concerns. In long term bloody conflicts like The Hundred Years Wars people in north eastern French-speaking areas might be in immediate danger for literally months on end. They would hide at night in narrow tunnels dug into banks and hillsides that the soldiers wouldn't venture into. Yes, modern combat is more intense and destructive but there's other forms of mental pressure. Towns or fortified places under siege might be under combat pressure for years at a time. The warfare might be less refined but so where the methods of mitigation.

​@@kevinsaltz7849 The psychological severity of modern combat is that in 99% of cases you literally have no chance to influence the outcome in your favour. In hand to hand combat your instincts will trigger your fight response, that has nothing to trigger if the threat is an artillery shell, a sniper or an air raid, you just die or see your comrades torn to pieces with you having nothing to do about it. And that is a 24/7 threat unlike anything seen in any kind of conflict before. Generally soldiers / humans can deal with a threat better if they have even just the impression to do something about it. That said the claim our ancestors were more used to death is on the one hand true, on the other hand there is plenty of indication that it screwed them up the same as us. That is why there are a plentitude of demons and demi gods in Greek mythology specifically about psychological trauma and injury. They just treated it differently aka via religious and spiritual means and considered it an affliction by supernatural forces. You find matching myths in other cultures.

It,s much easier to pull a trigger than kill at close contact; this is a good point against guns; let,s imagine executing prisoners massively with knifes and swords as Islamic state, talibans, boko haram etc

@@sergiofernandez4566 but do islamic state fighters got PTSD?, Cause like they're different from other military personel cause they're fighting for something they believe,they have no remorse to the people they're executing

@@axell1730 Maybe you are right, religious brainwashing can be a high wall against suffering remorse, I Heard somewhere that usually believers were, on average, better soldiers and killers in war, but to what extent?

@Jonathan Joestar Yes, I have heard that too, a kind of anphetamines that has not only a energetic effect but also a "euphoric effect" ( as the blitzkrieg soldiers in world war II), the religion when is fanatical has also this euphorical side. By the way the war has brought lots and lots of addicted to these anphetamines within the refugee camps and all the region.

I think it's worth considering training though as well. In order to fight properly with a sword, you need to be a well trained professional. Armies in the late 1800s and early 20th century had the power of industry and conscription. Think of the Roman Legions and Greeks etc. I think training your whole life prepares you for those moments - battles that are a day of horror. Then compare and contrast that with the men in WW1, or Vietnam conscripted against their will, given the bare minimum of training and stuck in front line meat grinder battles for weeks at a time - to get a few days rest - and then back in the line. Rinse and repeat for years. PTSD absolutely has always existed but its now at the forefront of our modern conciousness because of the sheer number of ordinary people that were forced through hell in the last century.

I like this reply. Sure they might have been slicing guts open but they went back to their tight knit community and gutted and cleaned animals. There was still this primal living. Now we have smart phones and words offend people

Actually you bring up a valid point, that may argue against ptsd in prior generations. When shell shocked soldiers came back from World War I, this was a big deal because the trauma they experienced affected their day to day lives, and this was seen as a new thing. If ptsd had been a common occurrence among soldiers before, the change in the soldiers coming back from WWI wouldn't have been so remarkable.

I would argue that ancient warfare was less violent and intensive

I've struggled with PTSD for almost 20 years, I have never been in a warzone, I'm a middle aged woman from a third world country. But your first sentence makes a lot of sense to me. I was born and raised under a brutal right-wing military dictatorship, but, unlike my parents' generation, I wasn't directly affected by it. I was a child and very sheltered despite the horrors. But when I experienced in my early 20's, something that wasn't supposed to happen anymore, because "democracy" and "human rights" supposed to worth something, my view of the world I was living in, the country I was living in, the reality I was living in, shattered and I wasn't able to find peace anymore. I have close family members who are survivors of actual torture during the dictatorship but they somehow managed to overcome it and live a worthy life. My experience was nothing compared to them, but I was the one who got broken.

SCREECHING WOMEN COVERED IN BLUUUUUUUEEEEE

To see a barbarian pop out of an elephants butt, screeching death threats and flailing his sword around... all ace ventura style.

sauce?

I see...i see them EVERYGODDAMN NIGHT THEY COME I CAN'T SLEEP I FKING SEE THEM.

Same with irish soldiers. Theres actually court cases going on atm. Because the officers where given one type of malaria medicine and the enlisted troops another type

Source? Thanks.

Mefloquine and Anthrax vaccines; helluva drug!!!!

@Pasha Staravoitau All over the world Governments experiment on their soldiers. When you sign on the dotted line, they OWN you. Not a joke. US, UK, China, everyone does it with standing soldiers. Conscripts as well (during times like Vietnam in the USA for instance). There is a lot of problems with the concepts around PTSD. For example your average war-torn sub-sahran african child soldier would be rated as certifiable and insane by most western measures, but it's just another day at the office for them. Over all you amygdala decides your responses to threats. If you grow up IN violence your response to it will be "same day, different shit". Western doctors would ascribe you as having PTSD, but that's just normal for you. The larger and more jarring the experience the more "damage" it does to people. Going from peaceful Theme Park of the Western world to war-torn hell, that's going to leave a mark in you psychology but most deeply when you get home after "adjusting" and realize everything you lived before was a lie, a "life on rails" experience in a "theme park" and now everyone is telling you to go back into it like it's not a huge lie, that conflict often eventually leads to many soldiers just killing themselves because they cannot "re-acculturate". To use another analogy, they cannot be "reinserted into the matrix" after having "woken up". For nearly all humans for all of mankind's existence "normal" was akin to Sub-Saharan Africa during a war. The Western First world is largely just a theme park that exists because everyone likes the "disney magic" of it all.

Damn. You really can't win as a soldier.

Phoenician*

Phoenicio-punic

@@hoolioh3721 Punic literally means Phoenician.

What is more scary that both Samnites, Gauls, Spanish (I know), Numidians, Punics (and few Greeks) were in Hannibal's army. It's like everyone vs Romans.

@@hannibalburgers477 Phoenicio-Punic-Carthaginian

They cry a lot, but after the deceased is buried..it's over...like non-existent after this 10 days of mourning..also a way to cope..no judgment what is better

Some cultures are expected to publicly mournful, regardless of a tual feelings. Some just the opposite too.

that would be because she was probably never in danger, the legionary probably got shot at and saw brothers die, she just shot people.

@@napalmsticks6494 people who operate drones from complete safety also suffer from ptsd

@pyropulse That is not where PTSD comes from you're just making it up because you like that explanation better than the actually scientifically supported one. Making up shit to comfort yourself and then talking about it like fact just makes you look like someone who is unable to face the realities of the world and that it is in fact often cruel and seemingly has no reason behind the cruelty.

That's because whether or not you develop PTSD doesn't have much to do with what you experienced but rather what happened afterwards. PTSD can be completely prevented if you get help within a month of the event happening, the tank gunner was obviously part of the crew and they all experienced the same things and after any action would probably spend hours talking about it, this would prevent PTSD from developing. Meanwhile the Legionary could easily not have had the same experience, he wouldn't have had any safe down time to talk about it and due to the nature of the Foreign Legion he probably didn't know any of the other soldiers that well and as such wouldn't have that close a bond with them, he also might have lost some of the friends he could have relied on in combat which would both take away his support network and inflict the trauma or losing a friend. All of this means that he'd be comparably more likely to develop PTSD.

@@hedgehog3180 pyropulse is a NATIONAL HERO! He Once had a gun pointed at him and he wasn't scared! Ask him!

more like french officer

@@Spider-Too-Too everyone really

Yeah but if a officer suffered with shell-shock they would be sent to a rest posting behind the lines !!

Probably saved them a worse fate.

@@pougetguillaume4632 Italian officers were the worst in this regard, especially under general Cadorna, nicknamed “the butcher of Italy”

"NEVER TAKE ANOTHER MANS DRINK IN THE DESERT!" "Sure thing, Uncle ReyRey. Keep your head on."

What is it a reference to?

@@arte0021Second Crusade, Saladin, and the untimely death of one Reynald de Chatillon

@@Mordecai9052 no i meant what movie quote?

@@arte0021 The movie Kingdom of Heaven is where the quote is from as written by Mordecai.

oof

That’s cursed

I do like me some spice. They drafting?

You could describe it as that yeah lol

spicy take

Fr sounded pretty hardcore ngl

It sounds rad, but I’m sorry for that guy. He had a problem. I don’t want to call his problem rad because I’m sure if he could, he would have rather had peace in his life.

The true and real life Apollyon... Sad however, legendary in its own right... Some truly aim for war and breath it while others still hope for more. Regardless we are different within and can thrive in our own ways with our own scars to bare.

@@WrathfulShadow69 this guy was named after the destroyer called Apollyon/Abaddon. So he isn’t the original one.

@@JMrealgamer Ohh so there are more. Makes sense. 👍🏼

That made me laugh out loud.

more like TSD

@@mustysheep3977 or STD

Underrated comment.

Ancient life was not as brutal as we think and the idea that it is has more to do with us modern people wanting to think that our society is better than actual facts about ancient life. The stresses people experienced were the ones humans are well equipped for handling (natural disasters) while they didn't experience much of the ones we're poorly equipped for handling (interpersonal conflict). Modern society is the other way around and that's why PTSD is seemingly so common.

Or Celtic for that matter

if that happens all you have to do is make your general tell "come back cowards!!!"

@Stesilaus I cannot begin to imagine what these front rank soldiers were thinking as they saw the enemy line coming at them at full charge...if and how they would survive the sudden impact of men and shields. What was it like?

@Stesilaus hopelessness of their situation....2000 years ago.....and hundreds of miles from home. "Varus...where are my legions"?

@@varangiangaming7178 the Celts just got conquered by everyone though, from the Romans then the Germanic people. The Germanic folk at least kept the Romans at bay, and then conquered alot of their former territories

It isn't a defense mechanism against stress. It is an overstimulation of the fight or flight response that already exists. When you live in dangerous environments, like a war zone, your brain categorizes a bunch of new stimuli as dangerous and your baseline anxiety is raised so you become hypervigilant. When you return from war your baseline anxiety takes a long time to come back down to your previous norm (if it ever does). You are safe at home but your sympathetic nervous system plays by the rules of "better safe than sorry". So any time you encounter stimuli that your sympathetic nervous system has previously established as dangerous it takes over. It's subconscious. It's not a defense mechanism against stress. It IS stress. Stress that tries to help you survive a danger that you're no longer in. I would know. I've been seeing counseling for PTSD for years after returning from Afghanistan.

@@aaronaxel4760 Dang. Aight, that's me told.

Fucking separate agony and the point before the "no" idiot because it creates a link

@@rommelcandiani6358 did you just call a Full Stop a point while trying to educate someone else?

@@Shaz337 in cellphone writing agony.no creates a link and its very annoying so i am suggesting wrinting "agony. No" (theres a space bweteen the point and "No")

Which ancient battle had 30000 people dead. It was not comon. I think you have wrong impresion of warfare in those times

God the shit would really make me puke but disemboweled people is fine

next time quote it correctly, why is there a comma after told me and a period after buy, it makes it incoherent. You damn nut.

@@SNIperofDARKness02 Go cry to your mom if it makes you so upset.

Egil Skallagrimson wrote that poem.

"Stand up on the prowl,noble bark I steer,stay course with the haven,hew may fowmen,hew may fowman.

I know it's somewhat different kind of look, but I immidetely thought of this photo as I read your comment: warriorgirl3.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ww2-111.jpg?w=640

@@Vitalis94 This is what immediately came to my mind i.redd.it/6x1c8u7nwmp21.jpg

Rex Galilae I hate this

The famous 1000 yards stare, or the modern pictures of "soldiers before, during and after"

@pyropulse lol nerd

@Chase Moore do you remember the name of the video?

@Chase Moore The closest thing they would get to the fear of snipers is a few master archers or well aimed crossbows, otherwise you're right, and I WILL check out that video at some point.

@Chase Moore Well rested, really? I'm not disputing it, it's just that watching documentaries on the Roman wars gives the impression the legions were 5% soldiers, 45% engineers, and 50% marathon runners

Chase Moore there have been numerous times where an army’s camp were harassed every night leaving little sleep to the soldiers. Even more so when it comes to the likes of sieges. Maybe the continuous time on the battlefield away from home that many experienced in WW1 and WW2 might have led to a higher likely hood of PTSD.

AndorinhaIberica first of you need to differ between actual combating situation and marches and drills. First of difference between today and than is first of violence was much much more prevalent and common. Heck it was common to commit genocide and outright exterminate tribes. Which does effect completely different way unlike in a society we’re you’re safe, secure and experiencing an overall good life. However direct combative was short and never lasted for days straight nor even near overwhelming as of today. In fact war brakes was very common. The use of firearms change completely the method of warfare but also the mentality.

Exactly

Is like asking if people had depression in the past

Shell shock and other names had defined it in the past. Gone mad has been around for centuries. Lots of opium dens in england during the Victorian era because soldiers and often officers became addicts abroad on campaigns, wounded in battles, or just depression when they got home to a often hard times for most Britains.

@@Ivanmaradonaaa not rly. It could be that becouse of the upbringing that killing somone isnt somthing bad. Forexample Vikings did want to die in battle, and honestly belived that would get them to valhall. And maybe becouse of that they would not be affraid. And therefor not concider war a traumatic event. Again it isnt, I mean you are correct, but it make sence to question it. :)

Hell even the epic of gilgamesh one of the oldest written sorces talks about how soldiers act diferently than the populaton that has not been to war.

I agree. People are generally horrible to one another.

Exactly! Without even taking part in the cowardly brutalities of war, one can get seriously messed up just by watching his platoonmates rape and kill civilians at will.

@ i doubt thats a common cause in modern war

It doesn't have to be war. I wouldn't go so far as to say I have PTSD, but i almost died in a car crash a few years ago, but immediately after I felt fine and just went about life. But as time went on I got more and more nervous about driving and getting flashbacks and to this day I still sometimes grip the hell out of the wheel. So I think it's a lot more complicated than something bad happens and suddenly your messed up.

It's a general truth about mental illness that they don't happen but develop. Unlike a physical illness where you might just suddenly get infected and become sick a mental illness develops over time if left in the dark and untreated. That's why mental health awareness is so important because it's literally the best way for preventing mental illness from developing into something actually serious. With PTSD it's also important to remember that many life threatening events actually only rarely lead to PTSD developing while many things that aren't specifically life threatening can lead to PTSD. For example PTSD is exceedingly rare in survivors of natural disasters.

_walks nearby a castle wall guarded by hostile crossbow archers._ plantagenet guy: what could possibly go wrong?! being locked up in these days wasn't a joy at all. even for upper class/high status persons a really tough and uncertain situation to be in. I read _Ivanhoe_ by walter scott during corona lockdown. I know it's a novel written in the 18th century, but nontheless what was written didn't sound that epic or chivalric to me.

Idk whats worse though: actually seeing your enemy face to face or have the constant fear of dying from nowhere (snipers, RPG, landmines, etc.)

dragozal thats actually bin many times interviewed and studied between ww2 veterans and current veterans like afghan and Iraq. Interesting enough veterans from ww2 thinks that today’s war age is worse in experience than what they experience mainly because two main factors. 1 ww2 to them was much more personal and had an actual cause towards it. 2 it was much more up close and not near as overwhelming as of today’s war. Rarely today combatant ever face up personal combat experience and those few who has says it’s much more different. It’s easier to react and grasp a situation close range than a situation from afar or the unknown

That is actually easier to live with, since societies saw this as normal and you might have trained it all your life. Depending on your culture, the guy who died to you probably entered his "heaven". It is way harder to live with a constant possibility of getting shot in the back from 2 kms away, dronestriked, bombed, shelled, blown up by hidden IEDs etc. and there is nothing you can do. Not having control over your life is a major factor for PTSD. As long as you can fight in melee against an enemy, you are in control. Also back then due to the short range of attacks, you normally knew when the fighting starts, and after some hours nax it would end. Even a surprise cavallery charge was normally something you saw at least comming for some seconds before they crush into your lines. You would go back to your camp or flee and regroup somewhere else, and you knew the fighting for today was over. No artillery or planes bombing your tent, no sniper shooting you when you piss at a tree, nobody is circling above your head watching you with a drone.

@@amedicabg Id say that bough have their good and bad sides. Today death would likely come for your quicker making it less painless so less to fear, tho needing to go face to face in close combat ment you had no need to frear when no enemy was near.

"Would be murderers" uh no they wouldn't be murdering you. Killing someone in war who is trying to kill you is not murder. Killing your neighbor out of the blue is murder.

Some truth but there was less wars in the mediveal Europe then in the modern world of the past 200 or 300 years, even the past 100 years we have more wars then the medieval Europe. Hell, in fact the United States of America has been in more wars then the British or Spanish Empires.

Yeah, I am real grateful for all the modern techs and infrastructures that makes me a "softie" compared to all the past generations without it. I mean just tuberculosis specifically affected so many in most parts of the world until the discovery of a vaccine. And infant mortality. Death was so much more an every day part of life.

Not completely true. People back then led much calmer and anxiety-less lives than your modern 9 to 5 bill payer does. Of course there were things like the plague or an invasion which eventually happened but the usual wasn't the blood bath you might think. Warfare has always been and will always be one of the most traumatic things a person can go through.

@@JC-fy8wh Yep & look were the softness has taking our civilization too. Doesn't this look familiar in what's been going on the past 15-35 yrars? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0Z760XNy4VM.html As Marcus Aurelius said the biggest threat to the Roman Empire is luxury and comfort.

@@JC-fy8wh As Parsya also said people back then lived life with way less stress, even mediveal peasants worked less then your average modern American & kept more of his or her's earnings too. Women where feminine & men were masculine & people wanted to get married & have kids & live life this was more true back then then today. They also had a much tighter community were people often helped each other much more & people in European society had higher trust levels to their fellow countrymen with way less crime. We also have more war & much more crime in modern times. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cqzq01i2O3U.html Modern society sucks really lol. No culture, God is "dead", boys shouldn't be boys, women cheat on you if you go to war, a huge population of sluts in big cities, lots of wars we get into, people hardly know their own neighbors, high crime in diverse communities, trust is going down hill, politicians care less about their own people than kings & lords do, and so on. I'll take mediveal Europe any day then this sh*t.

Question marks = $$$

Have you read Odysseus in America? It’s a book that actually makes a point very much like that one, drawing a comparison to PTSD symptoms. Really interesting!

Im sorry, but that doesn't make sense at all. Odyseus doesn't realy pick fights for no reason, the drinking habbits of his soldiers wouldn't have raised any eyebrows back then (when wine was treated like water, the only passage about drugs are the mushrooms, but there is no corrolation between that and PTSD. Also, odyseus doesn't lie excesively when you keep in mind that the suitors where ready to kill his son for no reason and would surely have killed odyseus instantly if they found out.

@@illyrian9976 You clearly need to read the Odyssey again. First, on the way back from Troy, instead of going directly home after being away for 20 years, Odysseus and his men raid various villages, killing, raping and pillaging. His misadventures begin after one such failed raid. Second, wine was not treated like water. Just because everyone drank wine did not mean drinking to the point of drunkenness was socially acceptable back then. It was not. There are common ancient Greek sayings, like only madmen drink wine undiluted (they mixed wine with water back then for the obvious purpose of reducing its effects), which clearly point to drunkenness being not as accepted as you think. Not to mention, the Greeks' own religion casts sex crazed half goatmen as what drunks are. After Odysseus returns home and has defeated the suitors, he goes to visit his father who is extremely old and lies about his identity to his own dad for literally no reason whatsoever except to troll him. He also lies to a shepherd after learning the shephard hates the suitors and wishes Odysseus would return. This is called lying excessively. Your memory sucks, go read the story again.

@@BoxStudioExecutive None of the points prove that the Odysse was written with PTSD in mind. I hate it when modern writters project modern concepts to the ancient world. Drinking wine and pillaging was very much common for soldiers, it makes no sense that this has something to do with PTSD.

@@illyrian9976 you mean you hate it when modern scientists reinterpret history? Ok.

Modern lifestyle does not prepare people

I lived on a farm and hunted before I enlisted, friend. Would it have helped? Maybe. Would it have made you an emotionless machine? No.

@@fullfist i don't think anything really prepares people tbh. I think PTSD is literally just a maladaptive trait your brain develops to extreme stress. Some people don't get it, others can get it shockingly easily.

Caesar let the Gauls into the Senate. He played himself.

When the snow starts speaking finnish.

When the desert starts speaking arabic

Dirigo flat earthers maybe too

At least it'll hopefully be a teachable moment for some people, even if people on the internet usually prefer to cover their ears and scream that they're right no matter what.

hedgehog3180 cheers to that

The dunning-kruger effect in action

@@Herminipper Happens basically everyday, all around you, irl or not.

Thank you! Glad someone else brought this up in a comment.

@@JamesRDavenport no worries,... too bad the Pentagon does not use the same Faith Filled Tactic.. // after all how can any man (they were all men doing the killing, no Joan of Arcs in Hebrew history) go all Col Kurtz and not need seven Long winded out of town days off from looking at any one?/ and if the Man survived that week.. the TSD may indeed be Post // God Bless, be safe and if U get a headache first determine what part of the skull its at.. if at the back of the head, danger but if inside and all around.. could be Major Karma need to grab salt and white candles and pray for all that have been trespassed be off and await later on to pass grief upon.... / too many Mates did not know not to trust the GWBush baby, cocaine user, with their lives and without armor on the invading Humvees over 1100+ died just to that dumb mistake right out of the Gate../ Praying to end the headaches has not been proven.. too many variables as to why the aches might Well come.. so May Peace be in your Mind, and stay inside there are more dead on USA soil now than due to the wars of the last fifty +++ years.. // Be well

Doesn't include the other sources of PTSD however. Only includes events that cause physical violence, and possibly life threatening situations. Doesn't include any mental sources that may result from it. Mental torture comes to mind.

Immerayon very true, Still an interesting video

@@jamesosborne7007 Indeed. Suffering is apart of the human condition as he brought up. As our minds become too heavy with the burden of our past traumas, the body will have to carry the extra load. It's unfortunate.

Immerayon Very true, I just found this explanation at the start of the video really simple to Understand.

@Klaidi Rubiku Bruh the whole of europeans had PTSD from ottomans lol Austrians once fought themsevles because someone yelled "halt halt" when a fight broke out over beer and the austrian artillary thought it was " allah allah" a turkish warcry and they began raining hell on the battlefield the whole fucking army of 100,000 fighting a retreating battle against themselves ottoman walked into the region and saw a bunch of dead austrians and hungarians they occupied the city and the region without a single resistance search up battle of karansebes

@Klaidi Rubiku because they werent women and children they were a scouts division that was sent by the ottomans skanderbeg only held out against armies led by normal ottoman soldiers he lost when murad II showed up and almost captured him he spent the rest of his days in the albanian mountains and after his death ottomans took the region with ease hunyadi was absolutly demolished in the crusade of varna ottomans wrecked the ever living shit out of the entire crusader army lol what ptsd? hunyadi should be the one with ptsd seeing his king get cut down and nearly 90% of his crusader army demolished whilst fleeing

Interesting since the very keyword "Ottoman" probably triggered a flashback for many reading your comment.

@Klaidi Rubiku he lost more than 1. He lost Svetigrad and he lost Berat. But to be completely fair, he was successful due to terrain and guerilla tactics, he was smart general.

Art O'War And a well deserved one. The Ottoman Empire was horrible with its devshirme and all the genocides

I posted about Banquo's ghost and Lady Macbeth

A voulge of some sort, maybe a bardiche, probably a bardiche now that I think of it.

A glaive or a bardiche

*though

Thanks for sharing

@Rolling Stone : Correct