Did Annie Paumier Come Face To Face With Jack The Ripper? 

It’s interesting testimony. That guy was a real creep! I don’t believe in the top hat & Gladstone bag image. I think the White Chapel killer was an unassuming type. He blended in. He probably had a wife, kids and a steady job. Like many serial killers, he was pretending to be something he wasn’t. As always, a brilliant video!

A lot of eyewitness accounts say he was small, young (32 ish) with a carroty moustache and some say with an Irish accent. Remember, at the Hanbury Street murder of Annie Chapman a neighbour said they heard someone leaping over the fence. But we don't really know what he looked like and never will but I always thought it must be someone more young and fit than an older man.

I watched this with great interest...I recall a story that I heard firstly as a child and more openly as I grew ....it would seem to be a very familiar story to this , which I must admit that up until now I had never come across......my story is as follows. We are a family that have old roots in the eastend of London, namely bethnal green / brick lane area.. At the height of the ripper murders my great grandmother had to sick sons , twins and both suffering from scarlet fever and both were taken to the London hospital whitechapel where unfortunately the health of one of the boys took a turn for the worst.. he was placed " ON THE GATE " a term which meant his time was coming to an end and the hospital sent word that my great grandmother should come quickly.... at the time the family lived in Columbia road E1 , this was close to the junction of bethnal green road and the top of brick lane and not to be confused with Columbia road E2 the site of the flower market.... On receiving the news of her son my great grandmother took the shortest route down through brick lane and heading on to whitechapel road... Midway down brick lane by Truman's brewery she was approached by a man , who stopped her and ask what she was doing at such a late hour ?... She told the man she was making for the london hospital where her son was dying. Again he questioned her and after a while said he would accompany her to the hospital, he also added he hoped she was telling the truth... she hurried off towards the hospital with this man following closely behind but never beside her.. On reaching the hospital she went up the front stone steps and looked back to see this man standing and the foot of the steps waiting to see her enter... of course she did and where she stayed until the passing of her child ...only then did the chilling reality dawn on her .. When ask what the man looked like she said like any other .. but strangely never made eye contact.... It may have been nothing , it may have been an encounter but my grandmother recalled that her mother never ventured out at night ever again after the experience......

I don’t think Annie saw the ripper. I think Jack was local and dressed pretty much like the locals would. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb if he dressed in a top hat and cape. Also, was it not Fanny Mortimer who reported seeing a man with a black bag and that’s what started the myth that he carried one all the time?

Thank you Mr. Jones. I find it hard to believe that someone who certainly would have stood out in the mainly very poor neighborhood of Whitechapel could have gone unnoticed in all the other murders wearing that type of outfit and carrying a bag. I find it much more likely that the Whitechapel murders where committed by someone who blended in and therefore was unnoticed. Moreover it’s more likely that the Ripper lived in the neighborhood, and knew all the alleyways, shortcuts, nooks and crannies by heart. It would be interesting to see an episode about the walking cane that originally was given to Chief Inspector Abberline, believed to depict a suspect in the case of Jack the Ripper. There was allegedly a facial composite of the killer, which researchers at the College of Policing believe this cane is based on. It has resurfaced again in the archives after it was thought to have been lost after a renovation.

Another great story told brilliantly I always wondered where the iconic image of the Ripper originated. Count on this wonderful channel to supply terrific background and detail!

Interesting. Not sure I believe her story of the appearance of Jack the Ripper though. Somebody dressed like that in the area would arouse suspicion, I bet, and make it easier to spot.

Never heard of this, intriguing and chilling.

We've been fed over the years the image that JtR was a toff in cloak top hat and bag roaming the dark streets with a sharp bloodied knife. The myth as sold thousands of books and also kept the JtR industry going. But realistically JtR was just an ordinary man that no one would look twice at. Just like Lechmere.

How did Alan Moore leave this story out of “From Hell”? It’s perfect.

Seeing a 'toff' walking around the roughest parts of the East End in the early hours of the morning would not actually have been such a surprising thing. There was a strange craze for what they called 'slumming it' amongst the more salacious members of the upper classes which included obviously visiting brothels but also just soaking up the scenes of destitution and poverty that they thankfully were not part of. Annie Paumier's description feels like an identikit Victorian stage villain but only in hindsight, at the time those kind of characters really did exist.

Best to remember. Women who met JTR did not survive to tell the tale.

Find it hard to believe that the real ripper would have made such statements at the time. If he had been so careless he would have been apprehended long, long ago. It has to be surmised that he was of significant intelligence not to muck about in such a way. Just as the police received a riff of false confessions this was probably a little nobody trying to be a somebody by frightening the women of Whitechapel and Spitalfields.

Very doubtful. He would have blended in with the population and been very careful not to draw attention to himself.

Probably just me but I don’t see a killer like Jack putting themselves in a position of being caught.

A psychologist would argue that the image of a posh Jack with hat and bag is a sign of the locals inferiority complex. A Lechmere fan would argue that it is proof of Lechmere's guilt.

I remember reading in "They All Love Jack" that someone testified seeing a man with blood on his face in Mitre Square the morning Mary Kelly was discovered. The book helpfully lists its source in the footnote (a newspaper article printed at the time), but I haven't bothered to try and track it down to see for myself.

Everyone has there favorite suspect and everyone believes theres is the best. But the fact is we will never now.

It's always easier to imagine that the killer in your midst is NOT one of your own.

Very interesting. This is something I hadn't heard before.

You could've worked next to Jack, sat in the pub with him or maybe been his neighbour and you wouldn't have known he was who he was. Because if he stood out in any way... People would've noticed.

Everyone knows he dreesed like the standard British person ie... top hat and monicle, no witness would have mentioned it as it would not be anything out of the ordinary

This is exactly the kind of lore that I love hearing about....

I always assumed the image of JTR came about due to the tug-of-war over how much anatomical knowledge the killer had. I.e. the common idea that a doctor of some description was involved.

Very plausible to my way of thinking. I live in the US...Kansas to be exact...home of the infamous BTK serial killer. BTK (Dennis Rader) broke all of the rules for serial killers in that he stopped killing for a period of maybe 20 years, and ultimately was caught when he began bragging about his killings with anonymous letter to media and police. This seems to be the same thing that could he going on here..."I know more about it than you do"..."something The ladies don't like." Very cryptic statements made to alarm people...and very possibly his own type of an anonymous bragging. That's just what came to mins as I watched this video...worth exactly what you paid for it...zero.

I dont believe this killer would have done anything to attract attention nor play games with people or the police he certainly did not want to get hung

We know for sure how vulnerable was the bottom class and the lack of support systems.

Yea, this guy could be JTR!

1:49, a possible witness to the description of JTR.

I don't know what it is,...there really is no tangible reason but I always connect in my mind, Annie Paumier's encounter, with the odd man with the strange turn of phrase who briefly spoke to nightwatchman Patrick Mulshaw on the morning Polly Nichols was found murdered. His words to Mulshaw: "Watchman old man, I believe someone 𝘪𝘴 murdered down the street".

If he did return to the area of the crime then clearly even he thought that the police were totally useless.

Remember, not all journalists were interested in telling the truth, not all the locals were in a position to refuse monetary gain when it was offered them, and there were also lots of creeps, criminals and harmless pranksters in Whitechapel. It’s a chance in a million that these folks talked with the Ripper, and those are impressive odds. Also, the killer would be an asinine fool to advertise himself in this way. The cops might have chased him down and discovered a bloodstained knife in his bag.

wasn't a deer stalker hat most prevalent part of the description?

Clearly just an attention seeker who got a kick out of frightening women. I don’t agree that well dressed men would be so unusual in the busy East End as to look out of place, but the real ripper’s career wouldn’t have lasted five minutes acting like that!

To my mind it couldn't be someone dressed like a Gentlemen. I believe he would have to be ,someone of unremarkable appearance in Whitechapel

How interesting that the description exactly matches the man who had accosted Sarah Lewis and her sister days earlier. She saw him again around the Britannia pub at 2.30am where Mary Kelly was seen drinking at 3am shortly before her murder. He may or may not have been a crank but is definitely a suspect. Edit: except the hat Sarah Lewis described was a tall bowler not a top hat. She described it as: a round high hat - a high one for a round one. A Mrs Kennedy saw the same man and also described a bowler.

A lot of people saw Charles Lechmere’s face, (aka JTR) he lived in the neighborhood .

That guy just sounds like what we would call a "troll" these days. He just wanted to frighten or shock the women to get attention. Maybe he was the killer, but I lean towards him just being a kooky guy who wanted attention.

whenever he talks about the witnesses of the ripper case, everyone always describes a well dressed man with a mustache and in at least two cases a purse or bag in his hand and gloves with black clothes and a dark coat and hat but there are physical details that always diverge from each other other. for example elizabeth long described a man in his 40s and foreign looking (very vague) and dark with dark hair george huntchinson described a rich looking man with large eyebrows jewish looking between 34 or 35 but must have mary ann cox said a 36-year-old man, 5'10" with red hair who walked into mary jane kelly and nobody saw a man or men leave and the case of martha tabram connolley and barret saw a soldier but with different descriptions of uniform and physical appearance and she was killed by two blades on the night of 30th september 1888 two women were killed within 45 minutes over a distance of 1 kilometer and emma smith although she was ruled out she had a cut in her throat and pelvis and ear like catherine eddowes and smith said she was attacked by 3 men

James Maybrick was a successful business man ,Had a grudge against his cheating wife,Was a gentleman who wore the top hat 🎩, got hooked on arsenic, Had the intelligence to avoid capture, forget this silly idea that the man was a lunatic,sorry but lunatics don't get lucky time after time ! It's the British police force not the keystone cops! A successful businessman, with cash,spurned by his wife 😮. Also I believe Jack letter to be true. JA, : First 2 letters of James & CK , : last 2 letters of Maybrick. On top of all that he died after the final murder of arsenic overdose, did he inflict it himself or did the misses 🤔 learn from him that he was in fact JACK the RIPPER ?Anyway she was initially charged with murder !!!???😮

This would fit the bill of Francis Thompson either being responsible for certain Ripper hoaxes, or being the Ripper himself. The man they described sounds something like him.

I suspect, people being people, that everyone had a Jack story in the days and weeks of that short period.

I know more than You?...It does not mean he might of been Jack?

Welk, she isn't describing Tumblety

Hmmm... very interesting indeed! Many thanks :)

Very interesting as usual

Philip Sugden's The Complete History of Jack the Ripper remains, for me, the best book on the subject. Still, and I know it's highly unlikely, I find the Jill the Reaper theory quite intriguing. For that one reason. A woman would not be as suspicious as a man and she could more easily approach or isolate another woman

I see James Maybrick.

Tumblety in disguise

Very interesting in my opinion. Jack the ripper had knife with him we all know that. Where the ripper would hide the knife if not in the black bag? Inside a long coat? Perhaps..but I dont think that carrying a black bag would be anything too suspicious at that time and era..

Definitely No. Because he didn't Exist.

It looks like Lechmere

If he got women to go with him instead of grabbing them, many may have just turned him down not realizing it was Jack the Ripper. I would guess the stories were true since both women described him and his weird actions, similarly, but it partly depends on if they had come forward on their own or were approached for their stories by police or reporters. My image is not of a toff, once the queen's surgeon made no sense. Since I was a kid I have not had any image of him in my head, just that of a stained leather apron.

Not much to go on?...They all had Black moustache's in those days, and most men were only 5 feet six inches tall and all wore similar clothing!...So another dead end.

How for 100+ yrs did everyone get the well dressed with top hat image of Jack? When the info on him is so much different.

Aron Kosminski .

Those "speckled trousers" intrigue me. I am not expert, but that certainly does not fit with any normal fabric used for trousers. Not even today! Perhaps it was blood spatter!

No one knows who JTR was, but probably a very common looking man that did not stand out from the crowd. We will never know who the real JTR was.

The Charles Lechmere case feels the strongest to me. Could it have been him?

I don't know.

Where is this building 3.min 20?

A toff, outward looking like he had money, he would not venture to that area, let alone after the dark and into the early hours. He would have been a good target for thieves, footpads, and even prostitutes and their Pimps. A criminal on the street even today would not want to wear distinctive clothing let a lone carrying a leather bag. Even if he could exit the street to a bolt hole, he would stand out. If he was disturbed and a hue and cry was sounded and the chase was on, he would be incumbered by the bag, cloak and hat, would he discharge such items, that may lead to his identification, ie hatters would attach their label, like wise the bag. The only one that may match was an American, who lived in the area ,but there was no mention of an accent.

I think the man with his pony or cart who saw a man with a women at mid night a ND had also seen an another man. And the man with the women yelled. At the above refered seen man with the pony man well the pony mans description of the man with the women is most credible oh if only the police investigators could have taken the. Countenance description fully and satisfactorily the J Ripper might have been identified then

Another great version of Jack the Ripper’s videos.

The comments agree A well dressed man would Draw attention

Francis Tumblety was jack

We should as AI to make a composite of JTR.

It makes sense that he dressed in black to better hide in the shadows

Charles Lechmere was his name, he also went by the name Charles Cross - first man on the scene at the first murder, so obvious.

I think George Hutchinson looked him in the face.

...James Maybrick.

Thank you.

Excellent Narration 😊. It was Lechmere ☠️😈🤘

Eye witnesses close to the mitre square murder saw eddowes talking to someone who looked very much like none other than Montague John druit.Druits family also suspected him of being the murderer.Mystery solved.

First!

Come on everyone, it's solved. It's lechmere