Did Civilization Begin in India? 

We are Indian so no one will agree 😂

@@malayasthana3412 Well u call urself Malay, so why do u say “ We Indians”😅

@@Alephkilo 😂haha Malay is also a mountain in Indian and I am from U.P. Ab Hindi me hi baat kru to hi manengi aap!😁

@@malayasthana3412 Ohh ok

@@Alephkilo and Malay is a proper Hindi name . In vandematram song the 3rd word is Malay😉. How can u say that malay is not Indian?

States nothing special. Trust me. It's an ancient Indian version of high fantasy.

@@badri1221 it’s not fantasy, it state really nothing but it’s not fantasy, it’s just Sanskrit poems about nature or praise of nature and it also question about nature of universe,self, death and many more things. The whole upnishad just written to explain vedas but trust me it’s not easy to grasp what they have wrote and in what state they did, we are also so conditioned by our education, prejudice that’s it’s really become difficult to understand vedas. I will recommend to listen j Krishnamurti.

​@@SudhirDudeja So do many other works of fiction in the world. They all talk about these themes at length. The validity of The Vedas is for a different debate but they do not say anything concrete on matters of the subject in question here - the origins of a society we now call India. If these texts are anything to go by, they indicate that humans were created by god - completely flouting the theory of evolution or the Out-of-Africa migration theory, let alone Aryan migration which happened millions of years later.

@@badri1221 No Vedas doesn't say humans are created by god but infact opposite of it more true, Vedas questions how does universe or god come into existence, Vedas doesn't provide any definite answer on these but there is beautiful poem in vedas where it questioning, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasadiya_Sukta

@@badri1221 first read vedas urban illiterate , science, accountancy , rituals were their

I think he referring to ancient history where one group excelled in recording things in writing and hence complex lifestyle emerged like trade, wars, politics etc. Humans were in every part of world around 15000 BCE (which we have evidence of from archaeological discoveries) it can go back to 20000 BCE years. But when it comes to recorded history, it only started when sumerians gave us the cuneiform. And phoenician the alphabets. Indo European languages. It doesn't matter how advanced were the civilisation. If they had poor documentation capacity which the Egyptians and sumerians excelled at. While IVC had complex societies living even larger than any civilisation at the time. It still was a large settlement and not a proper kingdom until the Chariot riding steppe people called "aryan" came. Which gave us the vedas and they were 1st orally transmitted for years before they were written into manuscripts. The Spitzer Manuscript is the oldest surviving philosophical manuscript in Sanskrit,and possibly the oldest Sanskrit manuscript of any type related to Buddhism and Hinduism discovered so far. The calibrated age by Carbon-14 technique is 130 CE (80-230 CE). So documentation came thousands of years late to Indian subcontinent and most of them a source from other civilisations. In that terms the African and middle Eastern civilisations were more advanced. In warfare and governance too.

From where the people like Sumerians and Assyrians come? According to the Historians History of The World, they came from India, and that view was supported by the Curator of the British Museum in the 1930s.

It's utterly ridiculous to me that our model of history proposes that agriculture was invented independently on almost every continent over the last 10,000 years. We can simultaneously believe that humans have been "biologically identical" for the last 300,000. No changes in our biology, but for some reason, we collectively decide to settle down and make "civilisations" in the final 3 percent of our know history as biological humans? We're missing most of the picture

@@dipakbose2677 are you really relying on someone from the 1930's for an answer? Cause that's just stupid. Sorry but it is.

@@PriceyTomato and u somehow completely neglected the fact that except stone, everything rots in the humid weather in India including manuscripts. So maybe the weather of the region has something to do with the missing manuscripts, add to that the fact the Muslim invaders burnt the library of Nalanda and other important libraries of the past so a lot of useful knowledge regarding IVC or indic civilization must have been lost. Your argument centers around "hey we don't know much about earliest Indian civilization, they couldn't have been that advanced even if they developed the first drainage and public sanitation systems in the world"

If you read old testament it will tell you civilization began in Canaan. Every nations formative myths claim that the gods blessed the nation's people with land and civilization. And then they tried to fit all their neighbors into a framework that centered around them. India is no exception .

@@ArrowBast Nope, Old Testament has it that Civilisation began in Mesopotamia, so it agrees with scholarly consensus on that issue because if you read the book of Genesis, it says clearly that the Garden of Eden was watered by the rivers of Tigris and Euphrates, neither of which currently flow through Canaan but Mesopotamia. If you are an atheist attempting to say that all religions/religious texts are nonsense, that is your call but nowhere does it say in the book of Genesis that Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created was in Canaan, that is a strawman argument, so just clarifying that point for you.

@@carolusmalleus1243 The garden of Eden state is not a civilization - its before that. A state of bliss without the sinful nature of civilization - aka unfair trading practices, weights and measures, conceit , deceit , trickery and treachery. Humans were probably hunter gatherers and subsistence gardeners who lived off what God provided . I will agree that the best fit for Garden of Eden is somewhere in lower Iraq and Iranian Khuzistan . But you cannot deny that the Book of genesis tries to fit all humans as somehow descended from Noah , but on occasion some are attributed to descend from Adam . And then again you have some text that claims all are descended from 12 tribes of israel ( which is part of Canaan) . So the Book of Genesis is actually everywhere on this subject. Other religious texts are no different in attributing all humans originating within a self referential framework and describe themselves as the purest and the other folks as degraded ones owing to some violation of laws , oaths , taboos.

@@carolusmalleus1243 Christian missionary spotted

@@techsala2675 To your seemingly harmless rhetoric likely filled with hate, mockery and contempt in the background, I would say - of course, how can I not know my Bible well?. I read it everyday and I love my Jesus more than life!

@@philipthomas3938 nice, a schizophrenic post!

He commits every sin he accuse frawley of, he presents no evidence until much later, he poisons the well by making accusations regarding motive. While frawley is pointing motives of colonialists which are not in question considering as they literally propagated the idea of white man's burden, he one accuse frwaley of being a Hindu supremacist without evidence and completely acquits western academia of Racism which is again laughable notion if you are even remotely aware of the writing produced in western universities in the field of "indology". He shows no quote where Frawley claims other people are inferior. He then misunderstands a point of Frawley by stating that applying western model of understanding to Indian texts is valid. This is a supremacist view point if there ever was one, every language and culture has it's own model and writing style by interpreting a people's writing through a different cultures yardstick the resulting understanding would be flawed. So I am sorry to say in your biased thinking you have completely missed the point he was raising. His point was western scholars interpret Indian texts through a western cultural lense rather than through an Indian cultural lense which is whom those texts were written for. Let me give you an example to make it simple, it would be like an Indian watching a westerner call his parents by their name and then make the assertion western culture is immoral and decrepit because there children disrespect their parents by calling them by their name. In India calling your parents by their name would be a gross insult but no so in the west. I hope that example helps you understand the point better. He also conveniently omit the part where there is no physical evidence for this alleged precursor language of the so called Indo-European language tree... Second you say Indo-European language theory has come under no "serious" challenge... this statement again ignores the reality that most academia is dominated by Westerners and by leftists who are ideological committed to these theories and in propagating narrative of white supremacy and oppression etc. Additionally if similarities between languages Indian language and another language means that they are the result of common ancestry then can you please he explain how Korean and Tamil both have so many similarities. Even the word for mother is the same. Tamil people look nothing like Koreans and are South Indian. Why is there no theory of Indo-Korean language tree? Or Indo-Korean people? Completely giving a pass to colonial origins of these theories which have almost no evidence backing them is the equivalent of giving a pass to Nazi race theories. Incidentally colonialists ended more lives than Nazis but since the skin color of the dead was different colonialists are not considered as bad as Nazis by westerners.

Vedas are an attempt to decipher the pre-flood world by a post-flood civilization. But the Puranas are our Itihaasas/history. The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it

I had some interesting information about it as an interview of person from India. He had very different approach in deciphering it. What he said about it is definitely a possibility considering the Indian culture and traditions. I'll share if I am able locate it.

@@cgtim3230 👏👏👍

Yours is a very uneducated comment and surely proves that you are a champion anti-intellectual and pseudo-historian. And the heart sign from 'World of Antiquity' certifies that he is no better.

The anti-intellectual stuff is pretty much the modus operandi of the "western world" by now, corruption is in everything.

do you not respect their differing opinions?

@szymonbaranowski8184 If their opinions are not based on facts but rather politics then no I won’t.

Well we studied aryan invasion theory in cbse history book in late 2000s..still the whole Dravidian politics in India moves around that North Indian invaded India around 1500BC and pushed the Dravidian people to south who are presently South Indian people which is utter bullshit. So yes, Islamo-communist historians did propogate Brit’s divide and rule history to further their political agenda

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Peoples tend to forget that north - west of India is ruled by Persians,parthian,Greeks & Central Asian for hundreds of years. So it's natural that you will find mix Genetics

You have dna samples that have no steppe dna.

@@revan552 Well Leninism/Stalinism needed to destroy local history to establish the idea of a Slavic Communist Empire over a lot of sub cultures that had nationalistic ambitions.

@@BaronBytes that's doesn't mean Marx is to blame. Marx predicted, Lenin wanted it to happen.

what is marxist about that? bro you have no idea what you are talkin about.

@@chanakyadevil Cultural Marxism, go read Einstein.

Mughals and Delhi Sultanate ruled for 700 years. So it's obvious that they were given more importance.

Rg veda may be the first knon written book of knoledge. But pure knoledge existed long before this book. Original knoledge is distorted and deviated in this book... So Rg veda can't be considered as true veda. People ignore this truth . K. P. Michael.

@@michaelkp5390 on what basis do you say that Rg Veda is NOT a true veda? Also, you are correct that the knowledge of truth already existed. Actually that's the thing where you people make a mistake. As we are taught in Hinduism that Ved Vyasa only COMPILED & SEGREGATED the Vedas and not author them. That's a huge difference. It were the different male and female Rishis who got the knowledge and contributed to this event of noting it down.

@@michaelkp5390 thing is vedas and other scripture before bring in written form were being passing through stories and narration I.e. vocal ways... Not in written form. It was latter complied by saints...

@@omthakkar7801 You may be right. There was a controversy around the time the Vedic knowledge was committed to paper by those who maintained this knowledge orally - or the Srauta traditionalists. They felt that committing it to paper would - to use a modern metaphor - expose their knowledge to copyright infringement. They preferred to carry the knowledge with them orally.

@@krishnanunnimadathil8142 More likely it was written down but due to the Indian climate and age, the books became fragile and fell apart making the ancients realize that an oral tradition should survive.

The person behind this channel is certainly a White Supremacy apologist. he can't accept the fact that the type of History on which whole Academia of Western Scholarship is based upon is being Challenged and their lies are being exposed. Come out of you "whatever the west say is Best" thought process.

Ah Malayali

Are you from srm university?

He is talking bs India is the first civilization because we are in India not because we are superior because of geography and fertile land and resources and We are at the centre of the ancient world

I agree. Misinformation about Indian history is so rampant it is extremely difficult to find objective and academic data.

The religious beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism respectively have to an extent a root in the religious traditions of the Indo-Aryans who migrated from Central Asia into South Asia through the Khyber Pass in the Hindu Kush mountains within Afghanistan and Pakistan respectively and would first establish the Gandhara grave culture and would also later intermingle with native cultures of South Asia and ultimately give rise to the Indian or "Dharmic" religions I just mentioned previously but they still retain some elements of the ancient religious beliefs of the Indo-Aryans.

Exactly it's so nice and refreshing to see a Indian specially a Hindu that I've come across who is talking logically. No offense to all hindus obv, I'm just talking about pro hindutva ultra nationalistic ones who will declare there fellow Indians as "desh drohi" if they deny BJP induced viewpoints or ideological propaganda narratives.

Says the bunch of White people who call Sub Saharan Africa as stone age. You are not Greeks or Roman.

Just saying india is not a race.

​@@ravenxrgaming4672 True, but irrelevant to the comment. The European historians of the past that Frawley refers to were motivated by racism to deny the possibility of technological and cultural advancement among the peoples of India. Ie saying India never invented anything. Frawley and people like him are now arguing that all civilization came from India. Ie India invented everything.

Thanks and welcome!

@sayem Why don't you first start dispelling misinformation which is being given in your madarsas? Oh I forgot madarsa chaap graduates like you are not supposed to discuss logic and evidence. First go and stop the radicalisation being done in your community and then try to educate others. And also try to read history out of your holy book where you have got brainwashed from.

My timing seems to be right! :)

@@WorldofAntiquity can you show evidence of migration of so called aryans?

@@themaskedman5954 See the references in the description below the video.

@@WorldofAntiquity articles from The hindu,pathetic article by kai friese of India today,scroll.in I had already read the idiotic article of kai friese I don't trust politically motivated leftist medias

@@themaskedman5954 There are plenty of scholarly articles cited. Do you need help finding them?

Typical ethnocentrist, can't handle facts, can't make an argument, can't write a coherent sentence...lol

Ah, interesting. Thank you for the background!

@@WorldofAntiquity this opinion is gold. It's exactly like this in Indian universities.

@@WorldofAntiquity I think that by Marxist he specifically means historians like Thapar, D. N Jha and S Irfan Habib The Indian Marxist movement had Heavy links with the pan Islamic movement of the late 1910s , they were never true Marxists ,in the sense that they were not atheists/religiously neutral but only wanted to ensure Russian support for the ottomans For example one of the earliest of these pseudo Marxists, Maulana Hasrat Mohani justified killing infidels as jihad in the moplah massacre (Gandhi supported such attrocities ) The(pseudo) Marxist movement in India never grew out of its Islamist roots , some of these people were active players in the partition of India And when individuals with such minsters were appointed as historians and history curriculum guides , they started to mess things up To justify Islamic iconoclasm they latched on to the Aryan invasion hypothesis, you of course mentioned in the video that the Aryan invasion hypothesis is discarded, rather there was coexistence , the reason this theory gained traction in the first place as I've learnt from reading "the mythical massacre at mohenjodaro "by George F Dales is that historians are obsessed with flashy climatic endings, in this case they made up theories of violence where there wasn't any violence These historians also used quasi mythological texts like divyadana and rajtarangini and non contemporary texts like huen tsang to propagate myths of Hindu - Buddhist violence in ancient India, Completely ignoring contemporary archaeological evidence and contemporary writers like song yun and dharmaswamin, who unlike huen tsang didn't write hearsay accounts (Huen tsang wrote hearsay accounts of sashanka and mihirakula persecuting Buddhists while song yun actually visited mihirakula, Huen tsang wrote that Mihirakula was a shaivite, this account is used by historians like Jha to prove that Hindus killed Buddhists, but Song yun wrote that Mihirkula was an atheist ) You take a look at modern india you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about , the situation is horrible, liberals would wish merry Christmas to Christians and Eid Mubarak to Muslims, but post obscene remarks and pictures especially of Hindu goddesses, a far left group even distributed pamphlets calling Durga a prostitute,then there's a right wing response to it equally abhorrent, screaming slogans of Hindu Gods in front of Muslim processions ，something similar occurs in historiography the rule of Delhi sultanate and the Mughal empire is glorified, while fake accounts are used to throw mud at ancient Indian history , in reaction to this there's people like David Frawley who're absolutely moronic as well What I mean to say is Indian historiography is stuck in a deadlock between right wing morons who believe that there was internet in Mahabharata era, and anti Hindu Islamists masquerading as communists,

@@utathyamanna6435 You know more about the political situation that I do, but of the three scholars you mention, only Habib is a Marxist historian and identifies as a Marxist. Romila Thapar was instrumental in the dismantling of the Aryan Invasion Theory. Your other accusations, such as that "these historians also used quasi mythological texts" carry no names, so I have no idea who you are referring to, but I get the impression you are lumping everyone together.

@@WorldofAntiquity romila thapar said the yudhister of mahabharat left his throne by inspiring from ashoka. timeline doesn't match . how is this possible?

No outside influence!!!!???? Really!!!! India is the most culturally mixed Culture on earth. I mean not by modern time. There are some major cultural branch Austronoid, Dravidian, Vedic, Santhalese, various hill tribes, Different eastern indian culture. This region was historically rich & very fertile. So many many invasion & migration throughout history from Aryan Greeks muslims central asian to latest european.

@@sandy29tu I think you should read my comment properly and, more importantly, slowly this time. Especially the last sentence.

@@rjrastapopoulos1595 Yes the last one. Pure & no outside influence!! If you come to contact with another culture specially ruling class, there will be huge influence. See British influence in India.

bullshit

​@@rjrastapopoulos1595AIT? you mean Aryan MIGRATION theory? Genetics have 100% verified that as a fact. Its indisputable at this point

Hi Birupaksha. From what I understand, place names ending in -wari or-wali or -musa are not Sanskrit. Foreign tribes such as Kikata and Pramaganda are not Aryan. There are also a number of presanskritic farming words (tilvila, phala, pippala, khala, langala). More information can be found in this article, pp. 21-27. www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/EJVS-7-3.pdf

@@WorldofAntiquity These names you mentioned most likely are the eastern Munda languages where as Sanskrit or proto-Sanskrit originated in the kashmir and Indus region. You also see Dravidian language family in south. and Tibeto Burman language family was also there in far north and north east areas mainly in Himalayas and the foot himalayan areas. This argument is no good for India where as stated above, four language families co-existed. But there are NO non-Sanskrit words in the Indus Valley region or Saraswati Valley region or western Ganga/Yamuna valley. This goes against the argument that Sanskrit arrived and replaced local languages where as nothings non-sanskrit exists in the Sanskrit area.

@@myquantumstate2668 How do you know where these names come from? I would like to see the linguistic evidence. We know of more than 500 languages that have gone extinct in the world. There were probably many more that we don't even know of. Just because a language is no longer spoken in an area, that doesn't mean no other language was ever spoken there. Languages get stamped out all the time.

@@WorldofAntiquity The loose argument of that many languages could have existed does not prove it. Thanks for making that point for yourself. The word Kikata come from far east and is the old name of Magadha, which was in present day Bihar state and usually identified with South Bihar. The Sanskrit or Rigvedic area is the Indus, kashmir and western Yamuna/Ganga Valley as I stated in my comment. The name Parmagandha is the king of Kikatas, whose name is connected with Magadha = Pra-maganda As stated in my original comment. The Sanskrit or proto-sanskrit area of Indus & Saraswati Valley region has NO non-sanskrit names for rivers or animals etc. I will give you the benefit of doubt as you just referred Witzel without confirming it first.

World of Antiquity and Pramaganda is not Sanskrit really? It is the name of king of kikatas which is another tribe. Only because the kikatas were fighting Sudhas so that make them non-Aryans as per Witzel. Well this seems like a scholarly work. Since when Arya is a race. The tribe already have names such as Sudhas, Purus, Anus, Drihyus and Kikata are also same like them. Just because Sudhas are more Noble men it doesn’t mean that their race is now “Noble” Arya is not a race. This is the biggest flaw in this whole thing to start with. About the other words Phala = profit or reward or fruit Pippala = pippal tree it’s 100m away from my house. Tilvila = fertile How come these are non-Sanskrit. I understand why Witzel has such a bad reputation among Indian scholars. We should give him a Noble prize and Witzel will call it “Arya” prize and may reject it because he is not aryan race. I am just using Witzel’s logic though. 😅😁

They can't digest the truth that India was great. India was also known as Vedabhoomi ( Land of knowledge). Chinese traveller Hiuen Tsang called India as In-Tu means moon. Leonard Bloomfield regarded Sanskrit as the Linguistic achievement of Indians. These westerners distorted our history and brainwashed our people. They not only looted wealth but looted our knowledge also. That's why I hate westerners.

@@lakshay9975 I totally agree with u that westerners not only colonized Bharata but also hijacked and distorted its history and legacy... they blame on natives for all the crimes of invaders... but don't think hate westerners is the solution... it's against principle of akrodha in Veda and not all westerners are against vedic hindu heritage... myself a westerner that is 100%grate to all India and Hindus gave me I would never be able to repay it back... and I try my best to spread right information about it in Brazil my nation at same time spread Vedic traditions here bringing Gurudev... Yoga Ayurveda Jyotish... Itihas Purana...

Not only geographic, there’s accurate astronomical references. This guy’s bias is obvious. So many westerners write on Ancient India and have never even actually been there. That’s crazy!

@@lakshay9975 Check our Raj Vedam’s lectures on the Sangam channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RGyjvyXEKdc.html.

Cultural supremacy is the idea that your culture is greater than others.

The students will learn government lies from this guy lol. He denies the water erosion at the sphinx and pretends there's no way ancient people used advanced tech to build shit we can't, because "The books say so". Don't be a follower, think for yourself and ask.

Hahaha ..your students rely on this chap's videos? This sensationalist stuff? Oops! I wonder what's happening to their brains.

​@@alexandergerolimatos4682 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha 😂

@@alexandergerolimatos4682 - One could the exact same thing about you.

Awesome, thank you!

Linguistic and genetic movement are not identical in most cases. People learn languages that are different from what they may consider their ethnic original language all of the time.

peoples don't even know who aryans are

@@404Dannyboy I did not get what do you mean. it may happen does not mean it has happened. The whole premises is IE language was introduced in India thru large scale population movement into India. That is the reason- Earliest Indian texts are dated to match the movement of people. If you are proposing IVC people learnt new language (for trade may be) on their own - then at least dating of Vedic texts has to be adjusted accordingly. And researchers acknowledge there is no concrete proof yet. Here is quote from Vagheesh M. Narasimhan paper additional material - Modern Indian Cline is a mixture between a point on the Indus Periphery Cline (the ASI) and a ghost population that once existed on the Steppe Cline, which we haven’t directly sampled but which we hypothesize existed in the Late Bronze Age and Iron Age in northwestern South Asia (but not in the Swat Valley which is the only place that we have extensively sampled). We predict that individuals from this population will be found in future ancient DNA studies.

@@404Dannyboy Individual persons might learn primarily due to curiosity and secondarily due to their job. However, most common people don't learn new languages or adopt new words unless circumstances force/encourage them to.

British and Indian archaeologists both sought out this evidence eagerly.

@@WorldofAntiquity you know india is weird all indians are not Hindus and they hate Hindus that much that they can change their fathers rather than accepting what's truth

Like I said a fake white christian expert.

@@WorldofAntiquity bro why is it so hard to find the actual truth sitting here in india 😥how do i know what is the truth of aryan migration i dont mind whether it happened or not considering how much we have mixed even during colonial period and after world war globalization we r all one family. also btw isnt it possible that the cities in both sumeria and indus valley be older than what they really are. like they have been rebuilded over time and artifacts were broken since its clay? since egypt sumer and indus valley have almost same range of carbon dating almost between 5000-5700 years old and have neolithic site as old as 10000 years (except egypt maybe we may discover some after) isnt it possible that someone among the 3 started with small settlement and neolithic people in other 2 places adopted these things in few years maybe like 100 years or so and then they gradually growing sharing technology with each other.

@@sonups8483 ceux du ciel descendu vers la terre ont aidé l'humanité à plusieurs endroits ! Toutes les civilisations antiques parlent des même ""dieux "" qui n'en sont pas! En vérité !

Exactly! Apparently, Nalanda burned for days. It pains me to contemplate our loss.

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Yes

Platonic academy is Oldest University not nalanda

@@logohub1234 lol kid! no Nalanda is the oldest! but not the surrviving one

Asking someone who believes everything is invented by whites so 😂😂 he is biased

why did you belive the next disinfo?

Many US Republicans find Marxists lurking in public schools, Hollywood, Congress and the White House. Hollywood is pretty Capitalist. Neither Biden nor Pelosi is a raving Commie...

well when people fixate on class struggle over class cooperation, I immediately think of marxists scum.

@@zitools 😂🤣😃

@@kmaher1424 Be a lot cooler if they were

No, it does not contradict, because cities appeared in Mesopotamia c. 3600 BCE.

Aw, thank you!

White racist worldview is the real pseudo-science

@@GEOARKADIA Please provide any source if you think their narrative is false or pseudoscience. I am an Indian and Sanskrit being completely indigenous is wrong. There is a mother language Proto Indo Iranian which gave birth to Vedic Sanskrit in India and Avestan in Persia. Your claim of sanskrit being indigenous doesn't explain how persian and indian languages are similar.

@@user-xn2hc5it8q the area which is called Satpsindhu Himalayas is the place from where indigenous Sanskrit originated. The Parisian area is attached to it so it's very natural that language and content of Jindavesta and Rigveda shares some similarities as they both shares the same or adjacent Historical area from where's they both originated. So in overall the proto indo Iranian language was indigenous and so is the case in Sanskrit and Parisian languages separately , both are indigenous languages more or less getting affected by each-other and other different languages in the course of history.

Hi Y'all this link debunks with details Aryan invasion theory and shows a pro Out of India theory ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RGyjvyXEKdc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1bsyi4zYHP0.html

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Aryan invasion theory was science whe n nehru ji wrote -discovery of India. I think truth travels slower than lies

@@LS-ql4wp - "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on", Mark Twain, published in "Standard player monthly", 1918, Volumes 3-4, Standard Pneumatic Action Co.

Nonsense of years past? I make considerable effort to make sure the information I provide is up to date. And I don't know where you are getting the impression that historians and scientists still use words like "race," but that certainly is not the case.

I want to. It's just that I have to do everything myself, and it takes time.

I probably will at some point.

@Antares And how do you know this?

@@WorldofAntiquity because aryan was not an race . Where is the proof to claim it was one ? Arya in Sanskrit means noble personality . It was basically used to address a highly ethical person or one that has some stature in society .

@@WorldofAntiquity you should check on some of the valid researchers work rather then a religious person like David . I would suggest you look up for modern research like Nilesh oak , who do muti -level study . Like astrological , astronomical, archeological and scriptural evidence is looked up for before putting forward his work

@@preethishetty6179 "scriptural evidence" generally isn't actually evidence. Like, at all.

So the same people ruling both societies ... Buddha was a fair hair and skin blue eyed prince of a nobility sharing those features 2500 years ago despite the popularized versions of relatively recent times... just as the Greeks were of the same fair physical makeup

@@philipthomas3938 Bs, no where in indian, Chinese etc texts say he was blue eyed or blonde. How shameless you have to be to lay claim on someone's else culture as yours. Typical white supremacists.

No way, Indian antiquity goes further far back . Indians saw Greeks and Romans starting building in front of their eyes..

@@rahulpaturkar1425 how? were they using the most powerful binoculars ever invented?.... Indians were building cities as far back as 3500 years even this biased youtuber doesnt dispute that but you cant accept it why? Hate Hinduism that much or hate all of India?

Yeah who rules has no effect on the spread of language.. tell me again why English is the most spoken language in the world?... it has nothing to do with British being most successful colonial power? How many people today speak Welsh or even Scottish... I get that you are biased and want to reject everything frawley says but really some using commonsense would be good...

I hadn't heard about this, so I don't know what texts he was quoting. There are quite a lot of Sanskrit texts, written over a long period of time.

@@WorldofAntiquity FYI As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”. It is, perhaps, the most well-known line from the Bhagavad-Gita, but also the most misunderstood."

These weapons were nuclear weapons because the ancient Indians documented nuclear fallouts and radiation. Similar to what has happened in our recent nuclear history.

Mohenjo daro an irradiated ruin with ground turned into glass intense heat etc etc ancient nuclear wars mainstream academia does everything it can to hide

Oppenheimer quoted some lines from Bhagawat Gita

Pali*

Found one Indian who accept logic & reality against political agenda. I guess Whatsapp university ruining India. There is a big difference between religion & science. One u believe no need proof, another ask evidence.

That’s an important question for late 19th - early 20th century history, but not for ancient history.

Look up Atlantis and Jambudweepa's descriptions, concentric seas, 7 islands, 9 kingdoms, mountains on the north, oblong plain in the south surrounded by two coastal mountains in the east and west and even the length and breadth of the central island! India used to be called Jambudweep/berry island! But how can India be an island? Unless sea level was at least 200m higher, which apparently it was according to Exxon Petroleum company's past sea level calculations! Now go check out Indian peninsular mountains and plateaus & river valleys. Plato's twins Atlas and Gadeirus or was that Arun and Gadura? Gadura did launch a campaign upto Euro!

The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it

@@deepika2440 You mean GARUDA? did Garuda went to war with someone besides taking revenge on Nagas his half brothers? Garuda and Nagas are celestial/ divine beings (?). If you or I want to prove such mystical stories as real then it is our job to prove to the world. Nobody is going to check anything for us. Isn't Atlantis an island city? but India has many cities. I read people comparing Dwaraka to Atlantis and Dr. Nilesh Oak has a nice presentation on the submergence of Dwaraka but he never compared it to Atlantis. If you are young/interested read Srikant Talagari, Konrad Elst's books to understand the issues involved in AIT theory. From my limited understanding the biggest issue AIT proponents touts in their favor is linguistics . Since most Indians are not in to that area ( Yaksha's Nirukta is the first book on etymology?) we usually stay quiet when AIT proponents throw stuff at us including the hypothetical so called Proto-Indo-European language/culture.

It simply means he not an expert on indian history. A real dr./professor does his job by following the newest research. And this fake expert refused to do that.

@@deepika2440 where did you learn all these? can i get some source i am really eager to learn all these.

I met the guy who created Dothraki.

@@WorldofAntiquity O.O He's practically my idol. His book got me into it in the first place!

Tolkien referred to language creation as his "secret vice." There are many far worse vices one could have.

@@Great_Olaf5 Tolkein invented several. {:-:-:}

I love conlangs!

Thank you so much!

@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for making video on this topic🙂. Can you talk about the fact that Sanskrit literature of India talks about river Saraswati which existed before the migration of Aryans. Isn't it supporting the fact that Sanskrit originated in India? And what about the proofs found in Sinauli village of India?

@@rudra957 most of theories like Aryan invasion made by non Indian or western people are just theories based on similarity between Indians and west not on evidence based researches... So it's inconclusive.

@@rudra957 sinauli doesn't prove Aryans are indigenous to india..sanskrit came from Russia ukraine areas..

@Akhand Bharat comparative study of sanskrit and European languages like Latin, Greek, Russian, Lithuanian etc prove that sanskrit has a strong connection with them..there are numerous words in sanskrit that are cognate with European languages such as numbers 1-10, words for family members etc..so sankrit is a European language..

@Himanshu Dwivedi Countries keep changing shapes, friend. All of Europe was also part of German Empire, and all of India was also under Muslim rule for a lot of years. So South Asia is very correct here considering India and Pakistan both did not exist before 1947.

@Himanshu Dwivedi The academia has consensus that it wasn't the case. The Pashupati seal does not represent that. But that's besides the point. Even if the Ancient Pakistanis were Hindus (They were Buddhist for the most part), that still makes doesn't make that much of a difference.

@@mirzaabdulmoeed9168 it doesn't matter buddist or hindu both are indian Religions. Pakistan is part of subcontinent and shares history with India. Hindus , Buddhist , Dravidians lived there

@@shehzadadarashikoh9463 Who lives there now? And no, Dravids did not live here. They're genetically different too.

@@mirzaabdulmoeed9168 indus valley civilization was dravidian civilization. Dravidians are native south Asians. Still dravidian Language like brahui spoken in Baluchistan. Majority of scholars said that indus valley civilization was most likely dravidian. It doesn't matter who lives now because we are talking about ancient history.

First, its not Sanskrit , its samskrtam. Next, Do you have any knowledge about samskrtam? If so tell me in what way the above languages are more sophisticated than samskrtam?

@@soorajvasu2714 um, they explained what they meant clearly, in that the languages they listed were more sophisticated, meaning having a more complex morphology, than Sanskrit. Oh, sorry, samskrtam... 🙄

the indo-European languages and the cultures that spoke them created civilizations that were more sophisticated, more successful, and more widespread than the other languages you mentioned. these are just facts, and in no way am I implying anything but that they are different. or that these differences were always this way in the past or will be in the future. I'm also not sure if civilization was started in one place and spread out, or sprang up independently in various places at various times. but the Indian civilization was one of the greatest, first or otherwise. I have a feeling that civilization, or at least human developments to lead to civilizations will be found to be much older than I was taught at the end of the 20th century. there are songs that sing of ancient times, when bread was first invented, back in the early sumerian times.

@@MaryAnnNytowl Sanskrit has the most well defined grammar and the most wide variety of words. Do not compare some Euro languages as similar to Sanskrit. Cope. Mud House Dwellers.

@@chickenslayer2119 well, "Chicken Slayer," I don't know what to tell you other than the definition of "well-defined" doesn't really come into play with language. _Things_ can be well-defined, _people_ can be well-defined, _places_ can be well-defined, but a language? Not really. It's not a _definable_ noun, except for the definition of the word language, itself, as basically being a verbal or written tool one uses to communicate ideas and concepts.

Gobekli tepe showed us that oir civilisation is way older then expected and I strongly believe the origins lie in Asia, china, India, the oldest cultures in this world

ofc free, decentralised and not funded by anyone community any time I see "we need" I hear a centralist trying to force some vision of his own

​@@SWOTHDRAand so has lots of sources not one and in many cases converged as people moved sometimes and culture diffused slowly there were lionman cults in Europe 50000 years ago it was kind of civilization

The all Indian have same DNA wether they are from north and south

@@spacescout1457 there’s more genetic diversity in India than any other place other than Africa where humans came into existence (though this might not be true anymore with the recent colonialism)

@@spacescout1457 Yes, Most of them have common DNA but also there is diversity in DNA which little different in appearance.

Macaulay is the man who destroyed india more than anyone. Becz he takes out indianess from indians.

@@starship3812 not really, only those who are stuck in the past care about that stuff.

WHICH RELIGION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 🙄😂

@@studyhelp1965 All of the above.

I mean to be fair most of the important scientists in history did mix their science with religion, they just didn't completely obfuscate scientific observations.

@@jacobcantrell82 This fact can be highlighted by Einstein's rejection of quantum mechanics because it didn't fit with his vision of a elegant creation.

@@jacobcantrell82 They did sometimes. Bible "historians" and Bible "archaeologists" have been particularly infamous, as new scientific examination of evidence has shown.

Hmm. I say in the video that Europeans in colonial times probably did have ulterior motives, and scholars were no doubt affected by that. But historians, archaeologists, geneticists, and linguists today, from India and all over the world, don't follow those old theories anymore.

@@WorldofAntiquity alors comment expliquez-vous l'attitude de zahi awas l'Égyptologue,devant tant de contradictions, de chercheurs serieux et scientifiques !?

@@WorldofAntiquity They do follow these theories. What are you talking about? Literally AIT is taught in schools here

You can't digest the truth that India was great. India was also known as Vedabhoomi ( Land of knowledge). Chinese traveller Hiuen Tsang called India as In-Tu means moon. Leonard Bloomfield regarded Sanskrit as the Linguistic achievement of Indians. These westerners distorted our history and brainwashed our people. They not only looted wealth but looted our knowledge also. That's why I hate westerners.

Why would he do that? You couldn’t tell this guy’s bias against India in this video?

@@lakshay9975 your hate is holding you back. Move on already.

Why don't you do your study yourself. Indian history exists today because of preservation and study by Indians

He commits every sin he accuse frawley of, he presents no evidence, he poisons the well by making accusations regarding motive. While frawley is pointing motives of colonialists which are not in question considering as they literally propagated the idea of white man's burden, he one accuse frwaley of being a Hindu supremacist without evidence and completely acquits western academia of Racism which is again laughable notion if you are even remotely aware of the writing produced in western universities in the field of "indology". He then misunderstands a point of Frawley by stating that applying western model of understanding to Indian texts is valid. This is a supremacist view point if there ever was one, every language and culture has it's own model and writing style by interpreting a people's writing through a different cultures yardstick the resulting understanding would be flawed. So I am sorry to say in your biased thinking you have completely missed the point he was raising. His point was western scholars interpret Indian texts through a western cultural lense rather than through an Indian cultural lense which is whom those texts were written for. Let me give you an example to make it simple, it would be like an Indian watching a westerner call his parents by their name and then make the assertion western culture is immoral and decrepit because there children disrespect their parents by calling them by their name. In India calling your parents by their name would be a gross insult but no so in the west. I hope that example helps you understand the point better. He also conveniently omit the part where there is no physical evidence for this alleged precursor language of the so called Indo-European language tree... Second you say Indo-European language theory has come under no "serious" challenge... this statement again ignores the reality that most academia is dominated by Westerners and by leftists who are ideological committed to these theories and in propagating narrative of white supremacy and oppression etc. Additionally if similarities between languages Indian language and another language means that they are the result of common ancestry then can you please he explain how Korean and Tamil both have so many similarities. Even the word for mother is the same. Tamil people look nothing like Koreans and are South Indian. Why is there no theory of Indo-Korean language tree? Or Indo-Korean people? Completely giving a pass to colonial origins of these theories which have almost no evidence backing them is the equivalent of giving a pass to Nazi race theories. Incidentally colonialists ended more lives than Nazis but since the skin color of the dead was different colonialists are not considered as bad as Nazis by westerners.

@nimeshkachhela5086 - There are links in the description section - under the video window to the left. There is a logical fallacy many Christians in the USA use when there is an as yet scientific unknown, or they don't like the science that applies, called "God of the Gaps" that I think applies to what you are saying.

You can show clips, and you can talk about it.

You need to go to a planet in taurus constellation located in pleadis with spaceship There you will find aliens that look like humans and Thier related to us genetically There you need to request the king of pleadis named purandar that you need soma He will not give u lol

I have no idea!

@@WorldofAntiquity it's more evolved, its known as a highly phonetic language, that means each syllable is more utilized, but like Ancient Greek, and other dead languages no one speaks today

I think he’s referring to the grammar rules of Sanskrit which are algorithmic, and the the various codified linguistic rules of its poetry.

@@TheLazyVideo That doesn't make it clearer. What is "algorithmic" grammar? And what about the codified linguistic rules of its poetry are different than all other languages' codified linguistic rules of poetry?

@Anand Sharma Those are all great things about Sanskrit, but none of them have to do with sophistication (a high degree of complexity).

My pleasure!

@@WorldofAntiquity ur video seems completely trash 🗑 😒. Why does people see everything as black and white. Ur entire topic talks about language and a right wing idiot no mention of detailed city evidence of carbon dating delta values. Ur sub shows ur knowledge Regarding indias influence in western culture its better I start a channel to explain things to u dear. Now I have exams write. Sorry to bother u.

@@eliotanderson6554 What carbon dating delta values are you speaking of?

@@WorldofAntiquity of the Indus and Mesopotamian cities compare most of cities most are around 3000-3700 bce

@@eliotanderson6554 They weren't cities at that time. Only towns and villages.

Very judgmental.

we are all mixed genetically by now anyway.

there’s lot of us that wanna kno where civilization started..

@@MrPrav76 Yes, or what they were like before, how they lived and how advanced they were but too often do ego and pride interfere with the truth. Its a constant battle that every group faces.

This was a really well constructed arguement. I learnt a lot. Frawley comes across as someone who has confirmation bias. As for the British, India could have done a lot worse.

Facts that's true for everywhere Europeans have been thank God try did not full conquer Japan or China otherwise we would think the European invented everthing

The person behind this channel is certainly a White Supremacy apologist. he can't accept the fact that the type of History on which whole Academia of Western Scholarship is based upon is being Challenged and their lies are being exposed.

That's true.

Hi Rock King. Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Since you put in the effort to engage with the topic critically, the least I can do is give your 7 points a fair response. 1) I will look into Talegeri's arguments. Thank you for the reference. I do not believe that Aryans brought the Vedas into India, nor do I think most historians believe that. Their position is that SOME of the hymns of the Rig Veda had already been composed orally before entrance into India, but that most of the Vedas were composed within India. I talk about the Sarawati in my Part 2 video. 2) Historians today do not believe that the Aryans radically changed the culture of India. They believe only that they had an influence. That's all. 3) Yes, I mentioned this in both of my videos. 4) Yes, I am sure foreigners visited and even resided in the Indus Valley Civilization. 5) I look forward to reading the results of the new DNA study and comparing it with the others. 6) The Out-of-India theory has been used politically too. But that doesn't matter. How a historical event is used politically has no bearing on whether the event is true. For example, here in the US, people point out crimes committed by immigrants in order to further a political agenda to keep immigrants out of the country. But just because these events are twisted and used politically, that doesn't mean immigrants never committed crimes. 7) Yes, people have interpreted history for evil purposes. But see #6 above. I should add that no historian today believes that the Aryans who migrated into India were blond-haired, blue-eyed Europeans.

Thanks for ur reply...as i said there is no archiological evidence what so ever which states that some buch of people came and settled in Harappan sites it is clearly siad by indian archiologist Dr Vasant Shinde (he also said that there are enough archiological evidences that show thet there is cultural continuity and the indus sites dates back to 8000 bc or so he even clearly said that the pots made by locals today are much similar to what the harappans used to do people use the same (traditional) agriculture techniques that were used to do in those time ) yes many people in India misinterpert out of India as everything is done by india i don't mean that what i mean and many of Indic scholars here belive that indus civilization had a good strong base in trade coz they traded many things with many countries and they have to be travellers and definitely they have met many people and they have left some imprint there and took some with tem including knowledge and admixture of population.that also dosen't mean some blocks of people came and persuaded local people to change their culture and religion etc (like the migration theory states) 1)i didn't say that we have found outliers in indus i said we have confirmed that the outliers burial found in saher e sokhta is of harappans that means harappans used to travel for trade (it proves the point) 2) it is generally accepted by scholar's that where there is many diversity then that thing may be native to that place i.e as apple is native to America coz Wu find huge variety of apples and as above u said for r1a that central Asia has most diversity do it belongs to central Asia (although i said in my above comment r1a belongs to india as per neeraj rai)but u r not ready to accept the same (saying quantity dosen't mean anything but as we all know to get knowledge we have to spend a lot of time and resources i.e money, it means that some people have spent a lot of time gathering that knowledge there is a simple misunderstanding among pro AIT supporters they are in a hurry that's why they say Aryans came and wrote all the quality and quantity of litrature in some centuries and changed culture it's not as simple as that some people were giving their precious time to think, what we call such people today scholar's oh yes and what requires to be a best scholar huge resources (money ease of acess to many things etc)yes sir quantity of litrature does play a huge role in a civilization it's not like litrature is produced in thin air like pro AIT theorists claim and we have to consider the time when these litrature are written considering that yes quantity of litrature definitely matters) conclusion for litrature there is no diversity in litrature (in indo europian language family as it is in india )not ony spoken language diversity but litreture too (most of the indo europian language are spoken in india)yes u may be right a small country like iseral write a whole bibel (the bhagwad gita itself 5 times larger than Bible and 10 times larger than odyssey) plz provide a place if u know where such huge diversity in language (of indo europian family has).the problem is that most Pro AIT people cannot provide archiological evidence and pin point a place of proto indo europian language..(it is comman knowledge that a lier always change his statement) i know that new evidence changes interpretation but not drastically(and additional info:the litrature we have today is just remains of what Islamists did to Takshila and nalanda University and Brits stole it to their British liabrary and many Brits stole for their private collection including their loot of wealth and some of them even fled to us so that they don't have to share with the throne).. 1) again sarasvati of vedas is saraswati which got extinct in india coz saraswati of Afghanistan dosen't have ganga,Yamuna,near to it and there must be many indus cities on its banks of if it was that saraswati (the cities found by archiologist on the banks of saraswati river are many more in number and are also older than Harappa and mohenjodaro) 2)once again according to Dr Shinde there are no material culture found in archiological sites but he said we find changes when Persian people come to india for Asylum (Zoroastrian)they have found material change they brought with them but we not find any footprints of Aryans.he also added in later periods(later period of Harappa and mohenjodaro) we had good relations with Iran obviously it was our neighbour and we have some exchanges with them but definitely they were no Aryans. 3)the iron making in india dates back to 1900bc which was found recently. 4)u said that Aryans came and wrote vedas in india generally accepted dates of vedas 1800 bc it means that Aryans may have came to india 200/400years ago may be coz they have to travel all land(to describe it in vedas) and change beliefs of people etc and to rank up to become aristocrat so that all people follow them (obviously no one will follow silently to anyone by merely saying hi i have came here to change your beliefs)so according to that they may have come to indus/india in 2000/2200 bc but as i said as per Dr neeraj rai there is no such extent of admixture in population in dna studies that support such a thing.and about black and white colour (it is also possible as we already know harappans were travellers for trade they may have taken a foreign spouse and the colour geonome may have introduced to indus (just assuming because if tehre is no proof then anything is possible as u said) the same que was asked to neeraj rai he said genome which changes colour of people it's complex to discribe it coz there are many reasons. 5)ashva or horses have mentioned in vedas again and again and many say where are the horses according to neeraj rai they have found horse remains in rajasthan (Himalayan pony)and they are studying it and they are sure that it's domesticated and was used by harappans (earlier a horse bone was found in archiological sites and famous Hungarian archaeozoologist Sándor Bökönyi seen tem and said that the remains are of horse many pro AIT theorists asked him to review but he stick to his stand)and those horese are same as described in vedas. 6) let's revisit AIT ...... William Jones found similarities in sanskrit, greek,roman they were some words (ref.talageri if i remember correctly they were some 8/10 wordes which are very comman words like,night,foot etc)it attracted more indologists to study sanskrit (obviously they had more resources to support them and still now where local indians were ignorant and still are)so they found mittani and Hittite people yes but they didn't spoke aryan language but they had only aryan names(Aryans lost their language coming to india)then we found Avesta of Zarathustra and many concluded finally we found that Aryans came to india but they forgot to analyse the time line i.e it is generally accepted that Rigveda is the oldest (it has three mandalas which are late addition)all the Hittite, mittani and Avesta has is later basic names for people and places so once again misinterpertion ...the hymn of mandala 7 hymn no 89 read shri arabindo's translation it's different..many foreigners mis interpret many hyms and translated vedas i.e as u took of Griffith.. there is word by word translation done by kant Singh plz refer to that where he shows how misinterpretation led to divide in india in caste and aryan/Dravidian (the dasyus) and a wresten scholar while reading vedas once read one word incorrectly and changed all meaning (the hymn was for ritual relating to widows which stated widow has to sit next the body and apply ghee to her eyes to mosturize it and again take her place in world but that scholar translated one word agreya as agnaiya which translated as the widow has to burned when she mosturized her eye it was something like that )..that is why many indian scholar's are now writing translations.that is one of the reason we r fed up of narrow view of western and some Marxist scholars in india.why i hold western scholars more responsible ex:the current numeral system is indian which was translated by some arab scholar the western scholars named algorithms after the arab scholar's name and totally ignored that scholars title of translation hisab al hind (even now people say arabic numerals and above all that western scholars were not ready to acknowledge those as indian numerals in this decade some people have accepted it ..ref.Dr C K Raju) 7)many calander systems were used by india yes sidereal is still bing used over and above the Julian calander forced by our government on us (as well known mathematician Dr C K Raju Julian calander is inaccurate..iam no scholar /don't have any knowledge of that) I am very much aware that indus people while trading many people also visited indus civilization that's why i said international trade of that time definitely they had exchange of knowledge, people etc ...once again that dosen't prove Aryans came to india and vedic knowledge is not indian ...ty

Hi Rock King. It's hard to read your comment, because there are very few grammatical marks (no periods at all), but I will try to respond as best as I can understand you. In regard to your first two points: 1) All historians accept the fact that the Harappans traded with other countries and had immigrants living in their culture. 2) Although there are many dialects in India based on Sanskrit, there is not much diversity of the Indo-European dialects. This means that the majority of Indian dialects all come from Sanskrit, which is only one tiny part of the Indo-European language family. There is more diversity of Indo-European languages outside of India. In regard to your seven other points: 1) I am not aware of any pre-Harappan cities on the Saraswati. Could you point them out to me? 2) If you show me where to find the article by Dr. Shinde, I will read it. But let me say that we do have a very important footprint left by the Aryans: the Vedas. We know the Aryans from their language. 3) Are you talking about evidence of iron smelting? Or are you just talking about finding an iron artifact? Remember, the Harappans traded with other countries, so an iron object could have been imported. We need to see evidence of iron-making in India in order to know that they had the technology. One way is by finding iron smelting furnaces, and another is by finding a whole bunch of indigenous iron artifacts. 4) I don't understand how you can say that people of other colors could have come into India, but not people with different DNA. Different colors ARE different DNA. Also, different peoples would have had different languages. 5) I have not heard of any horse remains other than a possible tooth. Could you show me where to find these evidences, so that I can look at them? 6) It is hard to understand what you are saying here, because the whole paragraph is only one sentence. I am sure that there have been many bad English translations made, especially in the 19th century. But what does that have to do with Aryan migration? (By the way, no one believes in an AIT anymore. They believe in an AMT. So from now on, say AMT.) 7) I have no argument with that. I said in my video only that the Vedas do not use a sidereal calendar. I have a question for you: Why is it so important to you that the Aryans did not come into India from elsewhere? What is so upsetting about that?

@@WorldofAntiquity , Thank you for demonstrating your cognitive integrity under fire, your willingness to engage thoroughly with commenters and holding to the unknown where uncertainty is fact. You have earned my subscription and admiration. Coming from no academic background, I have waded through the mire of outside speculation, disinformation and politicized scientific research in my search for theories to our species prehistory. I anticipate learning a great deal here. This is the first youtube video of which I've read every comment and response in about ten years of watching! Take it for what it is, as dismissive as you can sound to me at times, when confronted with cherished beliefs and non science, it hasn't blinded me to the validity or value of the critique you put forth in this video, or the the few others I've watched. I greatly value this level of engagement, as it shows real dedication to sorting credible knowledge from the mire of biases like cultural mythology and traditional beliefs. You definitely trigger believers! If that's a premeditated part of your recipe, it would be masochistic/honorable to a level of sage skeptic level 23.

@@tree_relics Wow, very kind words. Thank you!

Oldest civilization is Harappa and mogenjadaro, do we find tamil there

@@giridharm5598 we are the oldest classical civilization still exists in this morden world bro go and study about our history and you will know who we are

@@mahi4281 nobody knows what is exact history, while some are documented, many are not, I have read and seen history documantary on tamil, but I don't see simmalirity in words between tamil or telugu and tamil or Kannada, but telugu and Kannada are both related, so I belive telugu, Kannada and tamil are all equally old

@@giridharm5598 tamil is older than Telugu and kannada , Telugu and kannada are form of mixed language of Sanskrit and tamil, the Tamil script which we are using now is morden tamil script, the oldest Tamil script are still exists please do your research correctly and deeply

@@giridharm5598 there is documentry called tamizhi in you go refere it

If south India non sanskritic,Only dump people say entire place is non sanskritic ... Without sanskrit except tamil no dravidian language exist now ..

@@Agnostic7773 Who said entire South Indian places are non-sanskritic ? I said many place names in south are non-sanskrtic dravidian names such as Nellore and Guntur in your Andhra Pradesh. Nellore is completely dravidian place name and guntur too. Not only in TN, but also in Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, and Kerala has dravidan place names.

LoL, when south indian languages itself have Sanskrit words and variations of those words Please read about languages before coming to that conclusion. David frawley has more logic than this guy.

@@sriramp5934The word dravida itself is a Sanskrit word. David Frawley's research is impeccable. You have to read his works. This author has an agenda. Don't fall for it. Do your independent research.

@@AS-zr9dg Dravida derived from the word a Prakrit word "Dhammil" it's a distortion of word "Tamil/tamizh" . The name of the language Tamil derives from the word "Tan mozhi" meaning self-expression . "Tan" means Self and "Mozhi" tongue or expression. Dravidian is pen name used by anthropologists and linguists to describe a whole group of closely related languages. I think you need to do your independent research.

Glad you like them!

Look up Atlantis and Jambudweepa's descriptions, concentric seas, 7 islands, 9 kingdoms, mountains on the north, oblong plain in the south surrounded by two coastal mountains in the east and west and even the length and breadth of the central island! India used to be called Jambudweep/berry island! But how can India be an island? Unless sea level was at least 200m higher, which apparently it was according to Exxon Petroleum company's past sea level calculations! Now go check out Indian peninsular mountains and plateaus & river valleys. Plato's twins Atlas and Gadeirus or was that Arun and Gadura? Gadura did launch a campaign upto Euro!

The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it

@ArmanAditya Basu if history is very old then it becomes mythology. People in the next 1000 years will not believe that there is a language called sanskrit.

@ArmanAditya Basu mythology isn't history, so how came they discovered Dwarika under sea?

Yes career in law would be great because in this profession u must be a best liar 😆

You seem to be confused about when a settlement is founded and when it becomes a city.

@@WorldofAntiquity Early Mature Harappan period of Bhirrana started at around 4500 BCE. This is when archeologists say this emerged as a city. So this pre dates your own claim of Uruk emerging as the first urban development in 3700 BCE. If you want to go down the settlement route we can do that too, since Bhirrana as a settlement is probably at least 2 thousand years older than Uruk in that respect as well

@@adammead9287 Bhiranna urbanized in the Mature phase, around 2600 BCE.

Was wondering the same

The reason why many of the conclusions of colonial archaeologists and historians are no longer held to be true is because archaeologists and historians questioned them. No idea that is at odds with the evidence is safe.

If you read Indian history the criticism of Marxist interpretation would make more sense. There is a prevalent reading of Hinduism and Hindu social order from Marxist lens. Marxist peer review circle has created a historical narrative that doesn't hold up to a data based reading. These historical narratives still inform policy formation in India, which it certainly should not. Only rationalism and data based decision making should be accepted.

@@WorldofAntiquity it's not about the archaeologists and historian questioned the colonial mindset academicians but did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains. And as @A Correctly pointed out very well the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.

@@parveenchahal1 *did the questioned facts came into existence or did the colonial powers just limited them to the pure academic world and keep continuations of the manipulation in the history in public domain for their petty gains.* I don't know what you mean by "limited them to the pure academic world." There are no private academic clubs. *the same manipulated facts or policy of distortioning the history was carried out by Marxist left inclined historians till the beginning of the 21st century. If one doesn't understand the historical-political background one can't justify Or establish the "purity of academics " in isolation as u r trying to do, I'm really sorry for that.* Global secular scholarship has no interest in the concerns of any one country or party.

@@WorldofAntiquity 1. Pure academic world or private academic club represent here- the new development in understanding the history were stopped intentionally to reach the public domains where the history actually belongs to. 2. It's not about what the "global secular academia" thinks, it's about what role it is actually plying in the Life of the people concerned. It's like a double edge sword, the old theories which are already rejected by the " global secular academia" are still taught to the public by some political party or "secular" socialistic propaganda machine, needs to be rejected again on a public domain not in a kinda " private academic club". I hope now you understand that what I'm saying is the background , which will help you in understanding why someone is rejecting again those theories which are for you "gone cases", the "global secular academia" is not concerned with the people or the politics, if they don't know how to reach in the public domains is a serious matter because they will not understand what role is their research is playing in the Life of the people, they can be misused.

Thank you for providing some background. You can find my research on the genetics here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NQX5LlJ7YXg.html

@@WorldofAntiquity thank you very much.

We are the only fools in the word who read there history written by whome who tried to distroy us .... And irony is that this theory is proposed by max mullar jiska bharityata ko khatm krne me sabse bada yogdan tha .... And he was who says ... ki hm in bhartiy janwaro ko aisa banaege ki ye bahr se to bhrtiy hoge pr andr se british ... and this continued till now ..... thank to gov of india

Nayan , you should not post in haste. Take the time to EDIT and remove errors of grammar, and spellings. A sloppy post is pointless.

@@sushmasagar316 Oh..pardon me, I'm not as free as you to correct the grammer, spelling mistakes etc. So I made sure that the message behind those words was conveyed well, after all that's the basic purpose of a language.