Did Discovery IGNORE These Warp Drive Alternatives? 

My head-canon is that it was the thin neck and pylons of the connie that wasn't compatible with the transwarp, hence why miranda and oberth were also used until the late 24th century

@@Mat0llig Could also lead into the reason the Constellation was a 4-nacelle design with such unusual placement. A brute force method to achieve the same effect, perhaps?

i could see the Federation building gravity catapults. They finally had a technology they understood, could build themselves and allowed ships to jump the equivalent of a three year journey. just put them near secured Starbases or planets and you have the relay network from mass effect for rapid transport.

I wish they could’ve built upon the tech that Barkley developed when his brain was overclocked by the Cyphereans. Starfleet ships could then have a man machine interface like the Bentusi from Homeworld.

@@Mat0llig I really like this idea. As a bonus, maybe the new Excelsior "Transwarp" drive didn't need to have the warp coils as isolated from the rest of the ship as much as the TOS warp coils needed to be isolated. This would have meant future designs could be more robust structurally and the shape of the warp field could be made more efficient since the ships were more streamlined.

Arrows are much faster than horses. /s

Laughs in chariot.

@@Doctoranthetardis what was pulling the chariot?

@@EnkiSvohden 2 horses

*laughs in rolling down a hill in a barrel*

I’m sure the Phoenix was fission or fusion powered, but it might still need dilithium. Ultimately it comes down to the age old fan debate over whether the warp coils warp space or whether they’re simply very strong electromagnets to channel the dilithium plasma which is itself what warps space. Now I always favoured the latter, partly because the warp coils remind me of tokamaks (especially Vulcan ones), but Star Trek really doesn’t specify. At least until Discovery saying dilithium does stuff to subspace, but then maybe verterium-cortenide also does and you need both. Of course you could just as well ask where Cochrane got verterium and cortenum from while they struggled to get titanium, especially since the coils we saw in the show seemed to be regular old copper refrigerant tubing. Ultimately it kind of just all breaks down if examined too hard. Even pre-Discovery.

You cant pass warp 2.2 without dill to stabilize

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@@OrangeRiver Is there a universal time for the entire universe? The answer is- No! According to Einstein's theory of relativity, there is no unambiguous absolute time that applies to the entire universe. Instead, time is a relative concept, dependent on motion and gravity. Different observers in different states of motion or in different gravitational fields may experience different measurements of time. The theory of relativity describes how time and space are related to each other and how they change in the presence of mass and energy. For example, time may pass slower near large masses such as black holes compared to observers farther from the massive object. Therefore, there is no one universal time for the entire Universe, but time is a concept that depends on the context and observational conditions. How does the lack of universal time for the entire Universe affect the idea of the FTL (Faster Than Light) drive? Wouldn't this cause time paradoxes - (grandfather paradox) since there are different times for different observers, e.g. the time of a hypothetical planet orbiting a neutron star and the time of the planet Earth orbiting the Sun and the FTL ship travel? Would this be a trip back in time for either side? The issue of the lack of universal time for the entire universe has important implications for the idea of faster-than-light (FTL) travel and potential time paradoxes. If it were possible to travel FTL, where an object moves faster than light, then according to the theory of relativity, there would be a possibility of violating causality, i.e. sending information or events in a way that appears to violate the established order of cause and effect. For example, if an FTL traveler were to travel from one place to another at faster than light speeds, they could reach their destination before the light they sent out when they began their journey. This seems to lead to a grandfather paradox, where a traveler could travel back in time and prevent the birth of their ancestors. However, due to the lack of a unique time for the entire universe, as well as other theoretical limitations such as the existence of a light speed limit, FTL travel is impossible. There is currently no clear answer in physical theory on how to avoid time paradoxes in the context of FTL travel. My example with a neutron star and our star as objects with different clocks (times) is a good illustration of the phenomenon of differences in the passage of time for observers in different gravitational conditions. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, time flows slower in areas with a larger gravitational field. Therefore, for an observer on a planet orbiting a dense neutron star (which generates a strong gravitational field), time will pass more slowly than for an observer on Earth (which is in a weaker gravitational field). In practice, this means that if we had two clocks - one on a planet orbiting a neutron star and the other on Earth - the elapsed time on these clocks would differ. The clock on a planet orbiting a neutron star will lag behind the clock on Earth. Therefore, if it were possible to travel FTL between these two objects, when the traveler returns to Earth, he or she might notice that a longer time has passed on Earth than on the planet around the neutron star. In this way, the traveler could experience a kind of journey into the past in relation to the Earth and the neutron star. I will give a hypothetical situation with the FTL drive (Alcubierre drive), which does not have time dilation. Some FTL-powered ship flies from Earth to the nearest black hole, where time dilation occurs nearby due to a strong gravitational field. Halfway from Earth to the black hole, this ship stops and sends an FTL signal and another at the speed of light (a signal subject to time dilation) to the vicinity of this black hole with greetings. Then this ship flies at the speed of FTL to the vicinity of this black hole (which generates a strong gravitational field causing time dilation) and from there it receives the signal at the speed of light that it sent itself and then sends a signal FTL, i.e. faster than light (and another one with the same information, but at the speed of light) to the halfway point where it stopped earlier and gave itself the information not to fly to the vicinity of the black hole but to return to Earth, which they do. I'm saying that the captain of the ship wants to deliberately investigate what happens when he triggers a paradox. My example highlights some elements of the FTL paradox. However, it is worth noting that the Alcubierre drive he describes is a hypothetical model and has not yet been proven to be technically feasible. In my scenario, when the FTL ship stops halfway and sends a signal at the speed of light to the vicinity of the black hole, there is a potential contradiction. The signal undergoes time dilation, which means that time on Earth will passe faster than in the vicinity of the black hole. This means that when an FTL ship returns to where it stopped earlier and then receives the signal it sent, that signal may suggest that more time has passed on Earth than has actually passed on the ship. This seems paradoxical because the FTL ship receives information from itself that suggests that a longer period of time has passed on Earth, while the traveler on the ship has not experienced the same passage of time.

Thanks Worf!

What is your response to the comparison of sail to space/time warp, in how long it took for steam to replace sail compared to how long it took other FTL drives to replace standard warp drive?

Quantum Torpedos bsically replaced photon torpedos and would most likely be more powerful, although it is still weird that more advanced weapons like Transphasic Tech aren't mentioned

Don't Transphasic Torpedoes violate the Temperal Prime Directive because they warp time or some magical BS technology that's illegal?

@@Watcher1134 agreed. You'd think they'd have dark matter warhead and retro-causal energy beams that would travel back in time and so there would be an explosion followed by a beam returning to the attacking ship

@@Mat0lligTime Travel Tech is banned

And Photon Torpedoes were an old tech even by the time the Federation formed, as the Klingons already had them beforehand and it wouldn't be surprising if the Vulcans and Andorians had them. It may very well be that Photon Torpedoes are very well near the peak of what you can actually do with weapons without getting into the planet-busting stuff that's banned by treaties. Quantum Torpedoes are probably the best you can do without cracking out the crazy uncontrollable subspace stuff. Phaser tech may have advanced in ways that weren't obvious as phaser power seems to depend on how much energy and exotic particles you can shove into the beam, and really fits the Federation style the best due to being a precision weapon, while the alternatives tend towards brute force/annihilation. There's probably some nasty stuff they could put on their ships if they wanted, like subatomic disruptors or whatever, but that's the sort of thing you would probably only see come out in an active wartime situation against a foe of equal or greater power.

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Likewise!

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Kelpian mutant crying for his mother kills most of space-faring civilizations, everyone forgets Romulans don't need dilithium.

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Fusion powered warp drives peaks at Warp 2. Warp 2 is Uber slow. It would take about a year to get from one side of the Federation to the other. I think that nonbinary couple was on a warp 2 Fusion ship.

Hell, the Romulan's method never used Dilithium at all with it.

@@AzraelThanatos Does make you wonder just why they were mining out the dilithium on Remus for though...

@@KertaDrake Trade and, probably, having a second set of ships that they'd been using that don't look like Romulan ships. Dilithium is an important trade good after all

@@KertaDrakeThe Romulan Star Empire used 2 different drives. The D'Deridex Warbird uses the singularity drive, but most of the other ships use a standard warp core. Basically, the singularity drive was only put in the most power-hungry and elite ship class, and everything else got the easier drive.

Thank you Brian!

Ugh. No. We only have a second backup for our first backups.

I’d feel that starfleet by this point would have some system to shut down or shunt the energy of the reactor if a core breach was imminent

Yeah, I would have much preferred if they had just made it so all the dilithium in the galaxy was used up and warp travel had to be slowly phased out, rather than the single cataclysmic event. It would have served the fossil fuel metaphor much better.

@@OrangeRiver I completely agree. Having be some diablous ex machina just cheapens it for me. I would have liked it if it was something avoidable or with more meaning. Like if the threat of running out of it or conflict over switching to different ftl systems due to warp damaging sub space had led to the fall of the Federation instead of some sudden unknowable event. Be much more interesting and tragic. Not to mention a comment on modern society fighting over fossil fuels

So wait. The burn destabilized and destroyed most of the dilithium in the galaxy. And you think them just having a big stockpile of it would have helped things and not just...gotten the stockpile destroyed? The burn didn't just wreck what was actively in use, it broke it even in backup storage. And even if it hadn't, without knowing what CAUSED it the disaster, they could just be setting up the galaxy for it to happen *again*.

The Phoenix (first earth warp ship) and most warp shuttles use a fusion reactor for their power supply. You don’t get MARAs until larger ships like runabouts. All you need is enough plasma to power the coils.

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I took it that The Traveller could get around just fine, but was able to reach new places by tapping into the warp drive of starships.

Thanks Michael!

That's funny & scary at the same time.

@@TheMrPeteChannel A quote from the Doctor Who episode The Sontaran Stratagem. It's been 15.5 years since the episode aired though so the 8 million figure is most likely outdated by now.

Thank you! Same to you

Thanks John!

Yeah that was initially in the script, but I cut it for time since it was proven in the episode that it wouldn't work anyway ;)

Just use a stargate network

Beta canon says Dilithium is still used to regulate the plasma ejected from the singularity

Public transport

Thank you! Happy holidays

@@subraxas thank you. I’ll look for it.

Public transport

That would be a custom D'Vana Tendi statue 3d printed and hand painted for me by a fan of the channel!

@@subraxas Other failed tech made it into the video. Although in cannon they were going to continue ressearch.

​@subraxas in a time of general FTL capability, I agree wholeheartedly with you, but when you're reduced to creeping along at sublight, such an infrastructure would become a necessity till something else was found to overcome the Dilithium dearth.

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Thanks Matt!

Sorry, what did I forget this time lol

@@OrangeRiver lmao wasn’t tryna be rude. The link to the Romulan singularity video. I ended up finding it I’ve noticed missing referenced links becoming common on some of the channels I’ve watched. I like your in depth analysis of what we know about the singularity

No worries lol, I was genuinely curious myself. Added it to the description

@@OrangeRiver lol glad to be a tad helpful. Happy new year!

@@subraxas Ah sorry, that's stands for Voyager, as in the show not the probe. They bring back a lot of technology and knowledge with them and SF develops a new drive that creates artificial wormholes to travel incredibly fast.

It was mentioned in the original script, but I cut it since it was proven in the episode that it wouldn't work.

Voyager had an episode or 2 where they did slipstream. One was the episode where 7 of 9 gets all conspiratorial, the other was the one 15 years in the future when Harry Kim and Chakotay go to Voyager under ice and send back info to save them.