If we continue reading this passage of scripture it explains why these offices exist. Particularly Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Have we all come to perfection or the fullness of CHRIST? No, that is why these offices do exist. We are still in the church age. The age of grace. Why would GOD take away something we need to reach spiritual maturity? He would not.
I agree with Bro. Gary...all teachers are not pastors. I taught Sunday School and Bible class but I'm no pastor. A person has to have a special kind of heart for that ministry.
There is not one man that can truly interpret the word of God with full understanding. A relationship with Jesus is the most effective way to learn. I have heard some of the teachings and have found them to be biblical however he sometimes walks that fine line of confidence and pride that he talks about. No doubt he is called but some things we shouldn't say.
No not all Jesus said him and the Father are one then he goes on to tell his disciples that another mediator will be sent to them and in Romans Paul tells us that God gives us his Spirit and in Titus 3:4-7 he tells us that "He poured out his Spirit on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior[...]" so we do in fact know that they are all one in the same.
Thank you, Corey, for taking the time to teach this! Many will inform you that there are only four offices, but don't elaborate on the exact logic. This is VERY helpful. God bless your ministry!
I don’t think that this Greek interpretation is correct. If Paul wanted to explicitly connect the words, he wouldn’t have used a conjunction but rather a linking verb. The difference between δὲ and καὶ, is the first is commonly used to contrast and the other is used in an additive sense, yet distinct. That’s important. That is why we translate it as “pastors and teachers” because they are different things, the Greek goes to show that Pastors do have aspects of teaching which is not common knowledge. A teacher is still a ministry gift though, it is someone who is gifted in portraying the word of God in an easy and understandable way, not all Pastors can teach the way a gifted teacher can. First and foremost a pastor is to listen to God and lead the sheep, which isn’t always just to teach. So there are still 5 according to the Greek and it seems the English rendered it appropriately. Also, why is this distinction important? It doesn’t hurt anyone to believe in 5 gifts or to believe in 4, there are much more important Christian matters especially in todays world, this is a small nuanced semantical issue.
“For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.” Hebrews 5:12-13 NKJV
My father and my coach saw me play. Two people - my father and my coach. My father and coach saw me play. One person - my father who was also my coach.
Thank you for addressing this issue which is most often taken out of context. If all these gifts were still around why are there so many sick in our churches and families.
1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God sin not; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touched him not. Most appears to be righteous. Dueteronomy 6:25 Explains righteous. Psalms 15 as well. I hope this answers 🙏
I’m waiting on the church ⛪️ Pastor Corey! My soul yearns for this type of teaching. So thankful for you and Elder Jones. Stay encouraged and keep fighting the good fight ❤
You are on it! I'm so sick of hearing all these terminologies that people run with to sound all spiritual. I just shake my head but that charismatic movement is going to have a lot to answer for sheeshhhhh.
Hey, brother Corey!! I’m a relatively new follower of your content. I’ve been a student of the scripture and, in ministry for over 20 years (COGIC Elder). What you’re sharing is ushering me into greater revelation and a new approach on studying the scriptures. I thank God for you and the awesome work you’re doing. Be blessed!!!
Thank you for saying that my brother. I actually began in the Church of God in Christ, my first personal mentor was the late Bishop Watson. So glad to have you watching.
You’re more than welcome. I thought I’d heard you share that in one of the videos. One of my pastors was the late Bishop G. E. Paterson. He wouldn’t agree with EVERYTHING you’re saying (e.g. tithing) but, I believe he’d appreciate the fact that you want to see the body “…rightfully diving the word of truth”.
@@smartchristiansHere is yet another scripture where there is a clear distinction between the two…Paul states the following : “to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” II Timothy 1:11 NKJV “εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κήρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος καὶ διδάσκαλος” Grace and peace.
I get confused by Ephesians 4:11, every since the teaching saying there are no apostles today. I mean why would apostles be listed among these offices, if they are no longer apostles today? Wouldn't that mean there are no pastors, teachers, evangelists etc. today? Please help me understand.
Apostles/ prophets/ evangelist - are a category of the 5 fold. More outreach. Pastors/ teachers are more adminstrative. But just like in biz "enterpernial" type person has a vision/ dream where to take a start up biz. Need administrative/ managers to help them. But yrs later are often the initial people sell ( go start another biz- some are "pushed" out by fiancial/ adm type people. But after yrs when things change. Have NO idea where to take the biz. This is what is happening with congrgatiins. "My people perish for lack of vision" GOD almoghty is doing things. ( does nothing with out telling HIS PROPHETS / Watchers ) BUT admin type "Pastors" ( Ezeck 34 feed upon the sheep etc) teach what ( iron shsrpens iron) But NO they don't want to even listen. To others. And try teaching that thrre is NO longer the 5 fold. Yet HIS WRITTEN WORD states " Thst HE changes NOT" 1 Four zero Three Eight three zero Fortyone Twentyfour Cslgary Ab Cdn.
Ephesians 4 v 11 - 13 KJv "..Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ." So that would mean that all those offices would continue until Christs workmanship has been accomplished in his body (church). I understand that the office of the pastor would entail having the ability to teach the flock, but there are also those in the body who are teachers, but not pastors. The important thing is that God has made full provision for the body of Christ to be equipped strengthened edified and mature before Christ's return. .
Can you explain to me where you are getting this? In I Corinthians 15:9 Paul says "I am the least of the apostles" I don't see anywhere that is says he is the last. He is basically saying that he is not fit to be called an apostle because he persecuted the church. I don't see anywhere that is says he is the last.
@@tracymcgee3961 You are correct. I did further study actually just last week on this subject. And realized I was wrong. I do now believe there are still apostles today, however, I believe also that the Bible is unchangeable, and the final authority, and anyone claiming to be an apostle that does or brings in anything that does not line up to the doctrine written in the Bible is a false apostle. We are warned repeatedly in the Bible about false teachers, false prophets, false apostles. I believe apostles in our modern times is more like missionaries who bring the gospel and form churches in places that have not the faith of Jesus Christ already. But we have to be careful in these last days. Many false prophets and false apostles are deceiving many people. We see this with the LDS church, the JW, ect. And even Christian denominations like Bethel, ect. It actually pretty easy to spot a false apostle and a church that is being taught error. When you see a rich guy claiming to be an apostle, and changing, adding or taking away from sound established doctrine. And the church is more about experiences, and feelings, and getting prosperity, and using grace as an excuse to continue sinning, and not about true repentance, sound doctrine, and walking in the fear of the Lord, reaching the lost, and being doers of the word, ect. So I believe we must be very careful to know and have our final authority be the word of God, and be studying it day and night, so we will be able to discern Gods truth, from twisted truths taught by people who appear as ministers of Christ, but are good talkers and able to deceive people who haven’t meditated in Gods word day and night. Anyways, we are all learning, and I thank God that He corrects us when we obey him and like the bereans seek Gods truth out, and prove by the scriptures if things are true or false.
I wasn’t sure where you were going in the beginning and thought you was about the offices don’t exist. Thank the Lamb. Even though people use the term 5 fold it’s never conveyed as the pastor and teacher as being separate.
Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses. Apollos was also a teacher Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, competent in the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit,[d] he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John.
I urge all who truly love God and his Word to study for yourselves and let the Spirit of truth guide you through the holy scriptures. which indeed takes time its not an over night process.
Apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor should all be able to teach. Bishop must be apt to teach. Elder is a seasoned man, pastor is a shepherd, Bishop is the office. These three are the same man.
1 Cor 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease (end); whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect (bible) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
This is why we have so many different faiths. The spirit of the Lord would give you insight. This is why only the Apostolic crazies see the miracles of God first hand. You need an encounter with their God and you'll find out that there is a five fold ministry
Romans 12:7 identifies a gift of teaching, without any reference to the role of pastor. δέ : a conjunctive particle, marking the superaddition of a clause, whether in opposition or in continuation, to what has preceded, and it may be variously rendered but, on the other hand, and, also, now, etc. καί : (as a connective) and; (connecting and continuing) and then, then; (as a disjuntive) but, yet, however; (as an adv.) also, even, likewise Although both δέ and καί may be translated with and, these particles operate on different levels: whereas δέ serves to indicate shifts from one text segment/topic to another, καί connects several things said about a topic, linking several elements within a larger text segment. Grace and peace. ~Katrina
Part Two: Here is another scripture identifying the gift of teacher without any reference to the role pastor. “And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.” I Corinthians 12:28 NKJV
I have heard about that explanation about the pastor/teacher which is a mandatory requisite as 1 Timothy 3:2, “able to teach”. If you can’t teach, look deeper inside yourself for your real calling. I’ve been to a few churches where pastors are not teachers at all. Some of them have a shallow preaching that is the same sermon with a different title and Scripture passage every week. Others don’t have any idea of what they are saying and have a twisted view of the Scriptures interspersed with their personal interpretations. Others bring an allegorical meaning to the text or passage that doesn’t have anything at all to do with the context. I’ve seen it all. I’ve been teaching since my early twenties (I’m sixty six now) and in between have also been an acting pastor in two churches. The second and last one for about five years. I didn’t go to a Christian college of seminar (went to secular college) but grew up studying the Bible and expanded my knowledge through self teaching and other great teaching and using any resources at hand to this day. God have always opened doors for teaching and preaching wherever I go throughout the years. I feel this passion for the Word of God and for the teaching of sound doctrine mostly through expository preaching. I don’t consider myself a pastor even though the Lord has got me there twice in my life, but when I hear pastors and teachers twisting and/or misinterpreting the Scriptures for lack of knowledge or on purpose I wonder how far away from Bible principles we have wandered away. There’s very clear instructions in the New Testament on who should be ministers in the church but now is all about a degree or doctorate. I’m not opposed to those qualifications but when it becomes the most important thing to elect elders and ministers I can see the failure of that method in way too many churches when I see many unqualified people messing up whole congregations. As a servant of God I keep doing my work the best I can for God’s glory but it doesn’t cease to amaze me how many people are in such an important role in the church while the congregation doesn’t recognize that that person shouldn’t be teaching. Mat 9:37 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; Mat 9:38 therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.” Let’s pray to the Lord because those who are sent by Him will be the ones responding to the genuine calling of God and not of other men or themselves. God bless y’all.
At this point I’m convinced that most Christian influencers are running out of content. Granted some things need to be discussed or exposed but I believe most of you want to prove you are right and this isn’t really about edifying the church. I pray I’m wrong 🙏🏽
So, true, its biblical and 1 Corinthians talks about gifts. They are trying so hard to deny it. The irony is teachers and pastors are ignoring prophet, evangelist and apostles.
@@nickcoelho6143He is however, it is clear that apostle Paul said, are all apostles are all prophets? Made not necessarily be an office because these are gifts that God gave man. Not everyone is an apostle and not everyone is a prophet etc etc.
4 fold ministry is fine, but I was so hoping you would talk more about the first two. That's where the problem lies. I was happy to hear you use the word "the" apostles & "the" prophets. Please explain more.
I really enjoy your content as I have been challenged a lot by your videos…. Is it really that people who have believed this are of the wrong spirit or are they just ignorant of this because they have not studied in depth?
kai: and, even, also Original Word: καί Part of Speech: Conjunction Transliteration: kai Phonetic Spelling: (kahee) Definition: and, even, also Usage: and, even, also, namely.
Ephesians 4:11-12 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: As you read verse 11, there are 5 offices mentioned and it's for the perfecting of the Saints so that they will not be tossed to and fro to every wind of doctrine to be rooted and grounded in the word of God to be like that tree that is planted by the rivers of waters that cannot be moved. Amen 🙏!
There are some who use the 2 chapter of Titus to imply that both men and women are Elders in the church since it uses the words 'men and women ' they say that because of the "and", that we can conclude that it is referring to both men and women being Elders, even though it does not specifically say it.
In Acts 13 there were Prophets and Teachers. The teaching gift is also associated with the office of the Apostle according to Paul. What he is saying is that the administration of Teacher is not an office, which is simply not true. One can be a teacher without being a Prophet or may be both, as is the case with the Pastor, the Prophet, the Apostle, and the Evangelist. One can have more than one administration. The teacher is a separate administration given for the perfecting of the saints. His translation fot the word "some", differs from Mr. Stong's translation greatly. But whatever makes one happy.
Bro. Corey, what do you think about someone who has the gift of teaching and is anointed in that field. Yet,they themselves have NO PERSONAL FEELINGS OR DESIRE TO BECOME A PASTOR. I BELIEVE THAT GOD DIDN'T CAUSE EVERYONE TO BE A PASTOR. Some people are what GOD CALLS THEM TO BE. I THINK 5 IS IN THE BIBLE FOR A REASON. A JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN KINDA READ THE SCRIPTURE IN GREEK DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE CORRECT YOU CAN MISINTERPRET THE WORD TOO. MY BROTHER. IF THE WORD SAYS 5 I'M GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT WE ARE TOO COMBINE TWO SEPARATE POSITIONS IN THE BIBLE BUT YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE TO BE INTERPRETED AS BEING COMBINED? I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE, SIR IN THIS LOGIC/ REASONING.
Great explanation and awesome job with the Greek breakdown, but what about what Paul wrote in 1st Corinthians 12:27-29? Do we begin to call teachers who are gifted to teach and instruct in the school systems Pastors, IJS? I believe scripturally there are 5 Ascension Gifts, and as well other ministry gifts as noted in the passage. Yes, a Pastor must be patient, able to guide, caring, and able to instruct. But not all who teach are called to Pastor.
Amen! Romans 12:7 identifies a gift of teaching, without any reference to the role of pastor. δέ : a conjunctive particle, marking the superaddition of a clause, whether in opposition or in continuation, to what has preceded, and it may be variously rendered but, on the other hand, and, also, now, etc. καί : (as a connective) and; (connecting and continuing) and then, then; (as a disjuntive) but, yet, however; (as an adv.) also, even, likewise Although both δέ and καί may be translated with and, these particles operate on different levels: whereas δέ serves to indicate shifts from one text segment/topic to another, καί connects several things said about a topic, linking several elements within a larger text segment.
The office of teacher can apply to all followers of the Mashiach. Husbands must be able to teach their wives and children, as well as those who may have questions about our faith. Barnabas was a teacher. Acts 13:1 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. As a matter of fact were all required to be teachers in regards to our faith both to fellow believers and unbelievers. Colossians 4:5Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
I’ve never heard about or seen anyone ordained in the office of a teacher in these movement. It’s pure madness that they continue to claim 5 fold yet where are their teachers??
Here is another scripture identifying the gift of teacher without any reference to the role pastor. “And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.” I Corinthians 12:28 NKJV
@@amandaw9852Teacher isn't another word for pastor. Some words synonymous with pastor are overseer, shepherd, bishop, and elder. A pastor is someone appointed by God to take care or "oversee" the church. A teacher is someone who has a God-given ability to instruct others. Teaching is a qualification for a pastor but not a function.
And, or "Kai" in the Greek, is a conjunction. When used in a list, as it is in this scripture, it is not necessary to place a comma before a conjunction.
Be good BEREANS people, and search the scriptures for yourselves. The "office" of teacher is actually the third most important "office" to that of apostle and prophets. So yes teacher is separate and distinct in what you call "5 fold". I Corinthians 12:27Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.
@@smartchristians And gave GIFTS to men… “Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.” (Now this, “He ascended”-what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,” Ephesians 4:8-11 NKJV You changed the word to office or position because the Bible clearly states GIFTS.
Here is yet another scripture where there is a clear distinction between the two…Paul states the following : “to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” II Timothy 1:11 NKJV “εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κήρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος καὶ διδάσκαλος” Grace and peace.
5Fold Ministry Government theology confuses and mistakes the roles of Apostles and Prophets as a continued office. There is no handing down of office other than pastors/elders (poimen) according to the 2 Timothy 2:2 mandate. This means whatever is an apostle and prophet is a function like church planter and missionary and someone who has an extra charismatic gifting. The ecclesiology model also is dubious when seen in light of church history, as if some restoration was needed. This is what kingdom of the cults get into and makes God's plan for his church as not the author of history or his own church. No, if such restoration was needed it would've already been done by now. The theology is more concerned with power and a system. The NAR is a counterfeit model to the spirit of the apostolic and prophet 'functions' that are subject to the shepherding 'pastorate' office to the local church
Amen Brother! The scripture clearly teaches there are four callings and giftings here. How can someone be a Pastor if they can’t teach the Word of God?
No, there are FOUR offices, but there FIVE different gifts of ministry. There's difference between an office and a gift; the first is an appointed position, the latter is a God-given ability. The gift of a pastor is the ability to take care of the church and meet the needs of its people. The gift of a teacher is the ability to instruct others.
You’re playing semantics, and why? 1. Apostle 2. Prophet 3. Pastor 4. Teacher 5. Evangelist You’ve become guilty of what you’re accusing others of being guilty of. (You’re overriding what is written)
THANK THE LORD FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING WITHIN YOU HELP ME AND OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD SAY IN HIS WORD, THANK YOUR TALK ON 5 FOLD MINISTRIES IT NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE OF GOD WORD, ( YOU ARE RIGHT 👍 THANK YOU FOR BREAKING IT DOWN., I GET IT.
Not only is the fivefold ministry unscriptural but the position of the modern-day Pastor is also unscriptural.... There is no verse in the New testament that supports one man being the pastor or The Shepherd of a church and all the other ministers being his under shepherds.... There are no associate pastors in the local churches in the Bible... Acts 20:28 clearly shows that the bishops were also the pastors and it was only one local Church in Ephesus that Paul was referring to.... Many pastors One local Church
I’m so glad my God is not limited to this boxed in minute thinking😂. If you have the Holy Spirit, Christ in you the fullness of the Godhead bodily, the mind of Christ, putting on Christ, no limit to what you can do.
Some interpreters have understood the phrase pastors and teachers to refer to one and the same group. This would mean that all pastors are teachers and that all teachers are pastors This position is often taken because it is recognized that both nouns (i.e., pastors and teachers) are governed by one article in Greek. But because the nouns are plural, it is extremely unlikely that they refer to the same group, but only that the author is linking them closely together. It is better to regard the pastors as a subset of teachers. In other words, all pastors are teachers, but not all teachers are pastors. See ExSyn 284.
Another thing to note is that “pastors and teachers” is almost a Granville Sharp construction if it wasn’t in the plural. I think that’s another teller though that this is more than likely talking about one group. I think context is the biggest factor because Paul is describing who God gave for the building of the foundation of the church. There are no more Apostles.
”Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.“ Ephesians 4:11 NLT Five Fold How can this teaching lead anyone to Jesus cmon man
in Titus timothy we find pastor teachers/ elders or overseer and evangelist but not Prophets or apostles the apostolic age ended with the apostle Paul death , even at the end of his life Paul lost the apostolic gift of healing and things were changing it was the jews who required a sign and it was no longer to just the jew now it was for everyone that believes the gospel and we live by faith not signs , the office of prophet and the office of apostle is no longer in operation!!
Here is yet another scripture where there is a clear distinction between the two…Paul states the following : “to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” II Timothy 1:11 NKJV “εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κήρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος καὶ διδάσκαλος” Grace and peace.
I think there used to be confusion about the five fold ministry of Christ: Jesus as Savior, Sanctifier, Spirit baptized, Healer and Soon coming king; and that of the church. What you are talking about here is the ministry of the church.
So what do you think about Matt. 1:2? Matthew 1:2 (KJV) 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; In the Greek all and's are one word except the last one. Any thoughts? Ἀβραὰμ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰσαάκ Ἰσαὰκ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰακώβ Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰούδαν καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ Just curious.
I just want to ask. When was the last time you seen a man throw up a tumor?? When was the last time you seen a man healed of cancer? Or someone brought back to life?
Mr. Cory I really enjoy your channel, could you please talk slower….. unbelievable how fast you talk, I have to watch a video 3or 4 times to catch what you’re saying. Thank you keep up the good work
I stopped going to a church because of this garbage. They wouldn't stop with this junk. They also promoted the "passion translation" and other foolish bible versions. They ran cover for apostate 'word of faith' prosperity preachers and were into insane charismatic nonsense. I tried to warn them but the spirit they were under simply would not let them see the truth.
Regarding the word "kai" here's Thayer Definition: and, also, even, indeed, but Strong's Definition: Apparently a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so, then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words: - and, also, both, but, even, for, if, indeed, likewise, moreover, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yea, yet In other words the word "kai "although being different from the word "de" simply means also or "also teachers". Pastors are teachers but not all teachers are pastors. Verse 11 could read also teachers, even teachers, and likewise teachers. kai: and, even, also Original Word: καί Part of Speech: Conjunction Transliteration: kai Phonetic Spelling: (kahee) Definition: and, even, also Usage: and, even, also, namely.
You are correct! Romans 12:7 identifies a gift of teaching, without any reference to the role of pastor. δέ : a conjunctive particle, marking the superaddition of a clause, whether in opposition or in continuation, to what has preceded, and it may be variously rendered but, on the other hand, and, also, now, etc. καί : (as a connective) and; (connecting and continuing) and then, then; (as a disjuntive) but, yet, however; (as an adv.) also, even, likewise Although both δέ and καί may be translated with and, these particles operate on different levels: whereas δέ serves to indicate shifts from one text segment/topic to another, καί connects several things said about a topic, linking several elements within a larger text segment.
You would not pass the Greek exegesis test. Kai is clearly not used as de is. As a matter of fact Kai is likely used to refer to even or also, which as you noticed is also a use of the word.
Here is yet another scripture where there is a clear distinction between the two…Paul states the following : “to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” II Timothy 1:11 NKJV “εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κήρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος καὶ διδάσκαλος” Grace and peace.
@@katrinafisher7820 since you added the Greek and spent time searching for words that matched perhaps it would interest you to know that teacher is possibly a textual variant. I however would not make too much of that but I will point out the flaw in your search is that you included preacher as an office also, which it is not. More importantly, you failed to address the Greek of Ephesians 4:11.
@@smartchristians Regarding Ephesians 4, they are both “plural” nouns. When we find this same construction other places in the Greek New Testament these two groups are not interchangeable. Your grammatical argument actually seems to speak against them referring to the same group. That particular Greek construction is not speaking of the same things when plural nouns are in view as found there.
