How much liability do the medical professionals have? They did a number of unnecessary surgeries and placed her on dangerous medications...all on her lying mother's word? They give legitimate patients a harder time with treatment!
@@thevisi0naryy not true. HIPAA does not prevent the sharing of information necessary to treat a patient with other health care professionals as a necessity. Unless the mother didn't sign for the information to be shared, that would be the only reason
@@a.m.9474 yes that is exactly how it works, the practitioners would not be able to see the lengthy and fraudulent medical history and that was by her design.
It is often overlooked that Dee Dee got pregnant with Gypsy at age 24…by a 17 year-old. Surely, if SHE had been the teenager, it would have been mentioned a lot. She was always a predator.
One would hope but IDK. Purely anecdotal: my mother and her husband ran a small rental business. This was in the early 2000s. One of their tenants was a 21 year old single mother with THREE children, the first born when she was 13. The father was 21 when she had the first. He also fathered the younger two. No one ever reported him. Until he got hold of the babysitter who DID speak out and he went to prison.
How is it possible for this woman to get invasive medical treatments for her daughter without any diagnosis? Cancer? Are you kidding me? Weren’t tests conducted to determine if she was truly having all the medical conditions claimed? This is disturbing! I believe the medical professionals have a responsibility here. I don’t condone murder, but I see how someone who had been systemically abused can commit this act against their abuser!
This is on a smaller scale, but my step daughter’s drug-seeking mother recently took my step daughter to the doctor for what was essentially a cold. Like many of us when we have sinus drainage, she felt a little sick on her stomach…no vomiting, just nausea. Her mother convinced the doctor to give her Zofran, which is only supposed to be given to kids for chemotherapy side effects or kids who are severely dehydrated due to a lot of vomiting. It is not for a mere stomach ache. My step daughter didn’t even know she had gotten a prescription for vomiting, so I have no doubt her drug head mom got it for herself. I think some doctors just do whatever to get people in and out and get the money.
For real, she was narrow minded and didn't have access to information that could've altered or expanded her reality. She couldn't comprehend any other options. She may think, should've, could've, would've, when she really had no mental capacity at that time.
Exactly. Anytime any authority figure would visit she gave Gypsy drugs to make her drowsy and drool. That's how she lost her salivary glands. God knows what drugs she gave Gyspy besides what they found in the cabinet in her feeding tube, I hate to imagine what she gave her through her feeding tube that wasn't found. That's terrifying. She probably could have tried to walk in front of people at parties but Dee Dee injected her with insulin when she tried to taste sugar at parties. You aren't supposed to use insulin if you aren't diabetic. It was either Gypsy or Dee Dee but it was Nick's decision to kill Dee Dee.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 They were officially adopted by their loving foster family this Oct and are now happy and healthy. she went to prison and claims they were medically kidnapped now and refuses to admit what she did despite the evidence.
Those with munchausen's or munchausen's by proxy never admit, even when they have taken deliberate actions to make the person ill or look ill (or themselves). Like the mother I remember she literally starved her child to get a Gtube place so that she can then poison him in order to fake the illnesses.
Dee Dee was killing her daughter in slow motion since she was a child. Personally I think flushing her ashes down a toilet was far to descent a send off for her.
The thing that always stuck in me was something Nancy Grace said that Gypsy Rose's mother Deedee would have eventually killed Gypsy, I have without a shadow of a doubt, If money or attention started waning from them, and we probably would've never known because of all of the control that she had over her daughter.
Yeah, I heavily lean towards self defense. She spent her entire life not only being severely abused but basically under cult mind control. Her mom brought this on herself. She was really evil
Not to mention, she left and came back. That's willingly inserting herself back into danger. She's guilty. It's like that one shooting, where the lady went to go get her gun, and then returned back to the home to shoot at her bf and his kid. If you have to the opportunity to leave and don't, that's shows you're the attacker.
@grumpyoldlady_rants are you sure, though? Sounds like her mom was not above poisoning people. And she already felt she was losing control. If a man beats his wife daily and one day, she says, "I am not gonna put up with this anymore." If she shoots him as he raises his hand to her, we call that self-defense. He hasn't attempted to kill her. But we know he could've. She doesn't need to be actively strangling her to call it self-defense. My mom was absolutely awful, but I can't even imagine the hell Gypsys mom put her through. Medicines, shots, keeping her stuck in a chair, shaving her head, making her so sick she couldn't care for herself... not to mention the insane emotional abuse. Crap I would've probably killed my mom, too, in that situation
@whateverwhatever4026 a full grown adult woman shooting at a man AND a child is a very different situation. I don't think she truly thought she could leave. Not for real leave. You don't spend your entire life being that horrifically abused and come away able to rationalize things properly.
@@Sarahopal Rose was also an adult when she murdered her mother. She DID leave multiple times, and then willingly came back. It's not just the one time mentioned in the video, where she was caught and punished. The @bu$3 doesn't give you permission to murder. AT BEST, IF it's immediate self defense from CURRENT @bu$3, that could be argued. But again, she exited the danger, showing she knew how to protect herself. Willingly returned to it, and then manipulated someone else to murder for her. She DEFINITELY has the cognitive ability to know what she was doing. Something that can't be said for the young man she manipulated.
@Justynbrodsky123 because she was raised up to be DeeDees captive. Gypsy didn't understand reality to know she had any other option, she just wanted to be free. Did you not watch the analysis?
I don’t blame Gypsy for killing her mother but she did manipulate a neurodivergent individual into doing it for her. He should not be in prison for life. @ XYZ… Can you not even read? I didn’t say she should be in prison for life instead, or even as long as him, or even at all. And the point is that she isn’t. He is, and with no chance of parole.
do you not think she also has equal or greater deficits due to her mistreatment ? i don’t see what makes him more of a victim of her, and less of a co conspirator
I totally agree. I’m glad she’s out of jail. I support self defense 💯. Her mom had proven to her that she would manipulate any situation to force Gypsy to be compliant. I also think her boyfriend didn’t deserve life. She used him as the murder weapon. He should’ve received a similar sentence of 10-15 years.
1) being on the spectrum doesn’t make you disabled or unable to make good choices and 2) being abused by a nutjob your entire life is FAR more likely a mental disability than high functioning AUT. It literally changes your brain.
@@XYZ-kb3mmsimple fact is that he wouldn’t of done it if not for Gypsy coaxing him. Plus, he himself has a mental disability as well. So how is she free and clear of murder but not him? How does this not fall under felony murder? He was just as much a victim of gypsy as she was of her mother. Maybe not to the same extent but victim nonetheless. 2 people come together to commit a crime. Both should be charged with the same penalty regardless of whoever did the actually crime. I mean if she was a “normal” girl with no mental disabilities and make her mentally disabled boyfriend kill her mom, we’d all say that she used him to make him kill her mom right? So what’s the difference here?
Neurodivergent or not, that guy was troubled and had some really dark fantasies even before meeting Gypsy. Not only was he eager to kill the mother, but he even offered to rape her, which Gypsy refused to allow.
I agree with you entirely. That woman had a tube drilled into her daughter’s stomach, for no actual reason than to keep Gypsy infantile. That’s just one of the many things done to crush Gypsy. The mother brought it on herself, and given time would have ended her daughter completely.
This case is so interesting , and it makes me wonder 💭 how many doctors know someone does not have a condition just to get a payout from their procedures? What that girl went through was horrific
Evidently Deedee did a lot of doctor shopping. She always requested full copies of all medical reports and immediately removed her from the care of anyone who doubted her.
As a nurse that's had to take care of somebody with munchausen's, we don't really like taking care of people with that condition. But there's a fine line between knowing somebody's faking everything and it actually being real. Not to mention a lot of times they sabotage their own bodies so that they have to be taken care of. Took us a month to scrape off one barnacle that literally gave themselves sepsis and as soon as they started getting better with start refusing their antibiotics... Then if they started to get too sick they would take them again. They were really good at keeping themselves on a knife edge so they had to be kept in the hospital. You can't say well you keep making your own infection worse so now you got to go home even though that will cause you to die... 😮💨
And by a month I mean after they were done with the worst of the sepsis... They were in the hospital for more than 3 months when they should have been out in 3 weeks.
Dr. Grande, No one can understand the power her mother had over her if they have never seen a parent like that. I had a parent like that. I was terrified of him until I was in my late 40’s. The power these monsters have over their kids is hard to believe…but it’s real. They have used every form of abuse to convince you that you are the monster. I hate she had to do 10 yrs in prison but the Law could not allow her to appear to get away with murder. Look at the first thing she wanted to do when she got released: she wanted to go MEET Taylor Swift! She is still living in that world where her disabilities got her benefits. I feel she will have a hard time living in the REAL WORLD. Manipulation will most likely play a big role in her life as this is all she knows. Just my opinion.
My father wasn’t anywhere near as abusive as her Mom, but he still had me fully believing he’d kill me when I was a kid. If that’s all you know, you believe the abuser. I once called a hotline for abuse and they told me my father was within his rights to leave welts on us by whipping us with a car antenna. So I could definitely see why Gypsy thought no one would be on her side.
@@georockstar09I wish I knew. It was a hotline for military dependents who needed to talk to someone about abuse. Basically told me that corporal punishment is allowed under military guidelines. Even after I explained that his “punishment” meant leaving welts on our legs and buttocks. He said it was legal, and gave me the impression that I shouldn’t be inquiring about it further. This was in the 90s.
@@EllaEllaEh Jeez, I googled corporal punishment in the US and it's basically true. Even today, most states allow spanking :/ that's so effed up! That means it's basically legal to abuse a child. I don't get it. It's a crime to hit an adult, but kids don't get that protection at all.
A counselor at my middle school told my dad he could hit me as much as he pleased with an open hand essentially. Mind you this was the early 2000s though.
@@MackenzieNerdyEMT And here I'm doing EMDR in therapy for PTSD over my dad randomly slapping my face hard when I was 5 ("randomly" as in, I wasn't misbehaving but my presence annoyed him)
100% justified. She was tortured her entire life with literally nobody on her side. Confusion, manipulation and cruelty was all she knew. That poor girl must be such an emotional trainwreck inside. Sometimes the only way to deal with evil is to destroy it. She should've never had to serve time in prison and received an abundance of therapy instead. It's easy for ppl from the outside looking in to say it didn't warrant murder, but if put in that lifelong situation of torment and isolation, I think most ppl would have ended with the same result.
@@healingandgrowth-infp4677 your mother shaved your head, made you physically ill, forced you to have unnecessary surgeries, made you use a breathing machine, forced you to consume unnecessary pills, your teeth removed, and kept you in a wheechair every single day? Damn
It seems like DeeDee was using Gypsy as a meal ticket, more than torturing her for internal reasons. Gypsy became her source of care from other people. When she got all the stuff by presenting her daughter, it seems like a deliberate, conscious action.
I mean people with munchausen's by proxy can also cash in. They know they're faking it, they're not so deluded that they don't realize. In fact often they're deliberately poisoning someone or inflicting injuries that they can attribute to some condition (or starving them so they can get an NG tube)
@@dragonflash09she had the disorder. She only viewed Gypsy as an object, means to an end. I'm sure if Gypsy wasn't producing cash, she'd have killed her.
One of the saddest cases I’ve ever seen. I can’t even wrap my brain around it. Poor, precious child. I don’t even think that Nicolaus should be in prison for one more day!! He was trying to protect her. It’s all so awful.
How can Gypsy Rose be deemed courageous and strong and celebrated while her ex-boyfriend who technically "freed" her is held as a villain and rotting in prison?
I totally agree. Gypsy is a classic manipulator and even manipulated a college educated guy to MARRY HER. What am I missing here. I know single women who can't find a fruit grower to marry but Gypsy grinning on ID tv and that series about her life locked on the arms of that guy she married. She is a version of her mother!!
@ravenrozeb3790 a lot of people feel very sympathetic because Gypsy absolutely was a victim of horrible abuse. So that causes them to excuse her behavior or overlook it entirely. However, it does appear fairly true that the abuse has resulted in Gypsy being a master manipulator. It remains to be seen if the murder of her mother was truly self defense or part of a dangerous trend. My guess is that Gypsy will probably try to remain in the spotlight as much as possible because that's what she's essentially been conditioned for her entire life. I would not be surprised to hear about her involvement in other suspicious situations.
Because he was the one to actually stab her to death. He had a choice to say no, but instead suggested to R her body after he took her life. Gypsy paid for her involvement in the crime, she did more time than most in this situation. This is the law in the state it happened no matter how anyone feels, if people want laws to change they can speak with their vote and with their representatives to change it.
@@42Ccastro So? Your opinion is the only one? Or just the only one that counts to you? Some people feel like Gypsy manipulated Nicholas Godejohn and took advantage of his disability. If Someone hires a hit-man to kill his boss, is only the hit-man responsible for the murder? I feel this issue is not as simple and black and white as you present it to be.
So, Gypsy understandably, gets consideration for her circumstances, but the guy who acted on her behalf bears the brunt of all of this and gets LWOP? This is totally disconnected.
The sadist thing about this event is the young man who is rotting in prison while gypsy is just out living her life like nothing happened. That man was manipulated by gypsy and now he is paying the debit to society. It just shows the incompetence of our justice system.
I pity Nicholas. He should have had a much lighter sentence. Gypsy had every reason to kill Dee Dee but Nicholas was manipulated into solving her problem for her. Gypsy was raised by a terrible liar and manipulator so it is not shocking that she manipulated somebody else,
@@firstname2801 he apparently masturbated in a mcdonals and was convicted of disorderly conduct. He is not a rapist or child molestor. and Gypsy said she was a good liar during her interrogation. So maybe dig a bit deeper or understand that people can have different opinions. I am perfectly glad Gypsy is out (she shoud have had treatment instead of jail) but he deserves to be out too
@carriemindplsable Absolutely. Also, if we're going to speak on Nick's alleged crimes, what about DeeDee's (fraud, child abuse, assault etc) that she got away with? I agree he shouldn't be doing life. It's messed up that he did that at a Mcds but I went to school (HS and college) with young men that would do the same thing in class or public places to either get a rise out of people or because they suffered from mental illnesses and didn't recognize it was highly inappropriate (Which is a symptom of ASD, that Nick was dxed with) so... I honestly think he should be out too. There's just a lot of layers to this case.
It really depends on the surgery and the reasoning for the surgery. For example a biopsy is a surgery. Placing a g tube is a surgery... It's probably some other reasons for surgery of them just not thinking of the include things you can't test for. In fact some tests to see if you have a condition include surgery... It's good to keep in mind too that the mother can lie about something happening at all... For example saying she had chemo and she didn't.
@@jessicaolson490 So it’s possible if Gypsy was aware that her mom was scamming the community so they would receive money, that all the things she claimed she underwent medically may not even have happened? I can’t find any evidence and wish they had her court documents online but I can understand why someone wouldn’t want that.
So glad to hear Dr. Grande take this stance. This is precisely how I feel about this case. Gypsy was physically, emotionally, and psychologically abused her entire life. She has life long health issues because of this abuse, and I can't imagine the extent of the psychological damage that was done. She was a prisoner who killed her captor and abuser in an attempt to free herself from torture. It is a cruel injustice that this woman was sentenced to be incarcerated for another decade when her whole life up to that point was effectively a prison sentence.
I identify with Gypsy Rose because my very abusive husband got away with trying to kill me!! Nobody will believe anything until someone is dead!! I hate that!!! 😡
The day after she murdered her mom she was talking about sex, brownies and laughing. Who behaves that way after murdering someone(no matter if her mom deserved it). That shows sociopathic behavior. If a good person with a normal mind somehow ends up in the situation to have to murder somebody they wouldnt be talking about brownies, sex and laughing the next day.
Even considering the abuse and torture Gypsy endured, I still felt that she was somehow off and creepy. I can easily see how she will manipulate people to achieve the outcome she wants. She has much experience in that thanks to her Mother.
again, if gypsy HAD sociopathic tendancies, it just goes back to Dr grande’s point about DeeDee oerchestrating her own death. Cut a child from the world (so no other moral references) and abuse them while everybody sees but nobody does anything, yeah you and i would into sociopaths pushed to kill our abuser.
@@stormyirl1972 me when years and years of trauma and not allowing myself to develop normally actually makes me a maladapted human, you guys are so perceptive and fair in your reasoning😻
It seems like Gypsy has found a path to stability. The odds against that are phenomenonal. She's a strong lady, a survivor. I hope that she continues to grow and thrive in the real world. It is infuriating that Gypsy's doctors have not been held accountable.
I have talked to some pediatric nurses about this syndrome. They said it is far more common than you would think. I would image, although the discussion did not go far, there are various degrees of severity.
Many people have pointed out that Gypsy was failed by the system. Her father Rod is also to blame. He should have been more involved (visiting her, talking to doctors, ext). Gypsy said that she didn’t tell him because she didn’t believe that he cared. He has supported her since then but I wish that he had been more active in her life earlier
DeeDee had Rod believing Gypsy was sick as well and didn't allow him to see her. He did everything he could from where he was at. I hope that he and his daughter have a chance at a relationship now.
deedee told people that rod didnt pay child support and she manipulated rod into thinking gypsy was sick and mentally disabled and wouldnt let him see her
I didn’t say that it was easy. Getting the courts involved is very complicated. However, He should have put forth more effort. She needed more adults involved. Her life depended on it
But he wasn't the one who was abused, obviously he had his own traumas, but he didn't directly experience what she did. We cannot let anyone who kills for love, even if they were manipulated to do it, to get a get out of jail free card. I think his sentence should be a lot lower than it was, but you don't find it strange that he wanted to rape the mom? You could say they both manipulated each other in different ways, but he was no child when he did it.
@@Olivetree80I see the boy as nothing more than a living breathing weapon wielded by Gypsy to kill her mother. His crime was heinous, but so was hers. They locked up Charlie Manson forever for doing something similar. In my opinion if the boy has to rot, Gypsy should receive a similar sentence.
I feel sorry for Gypsy Rose ~ What kid deserves to be dragged from doctor to doctor undergoing unnecessary surgeries stuck in a wheelchair when she could walk. All at the hands at her own mother. Gypsy must have felt helpless & hopeless. Hopefully she can move past the trauma with the proper support. ❤🩹
I agree with Dr Grande about Gypsy, but I'm concerned that Nicholas was treated too harshly. Of course he stabbed somebody to death so deserves punishment, even though she was a particularly repulsive person. However he is neurodivergent and was strongly under the influence of a person who was well-schooled in the art of manipulation. I think it is too cruel to deny him any hope of eventual freedom.
Interesting take Dr Grande. You brought up points that made me re-think my own opinion. What still bothers me deeply is that none of the doctors involved were reprimanded, let alone charged with a crime. In my time spent as a psych nurse I, and my superiors, have reported two cases of suspected Munchausen by Proxy and, to my knowledge, nothing came of either report, although they were far from frivolous Why would doctors hesitate to make an official report? And why would other doctors perform unnecessary procedures without the most preliminary of tests? I think the doctors deserved more time than Gypsy and certainly more time than her impaired co-conspirator.
It's always stuck in my head since i heard it, but I always got creeped out when Rod mentioned that DeeDee once told him Gypsy won't live past 18 or something like that. Sends a chill down my spine...it was going to come down to DD or Gypsy eventually. Absolutely terrifying 😢
Years ago saw a documentary on Gypsy Rose Blanchard. I felt at the time and still do, she should never have been sent to prison. So glad to see the good doctor have this belief as well.
No discussion at all of Gypsy using sex to convince dude to kill her mom, then letting him take life for it while she married someone else? Maybe not criminal but my GOD that's as cold and calculated as it gets.
Fuck up part she getting fame from all of this. Like everyone forgot, she set up a hit on her mother. Ya I get what she been in but still is fuck up to kill your own morther. To put in extreme terms when a man kills another in war times, he is a hero, but when a man kills in peace times, he is a murder. Everyone women think she is a hero because she manipulated two men.
THANK YOU!!!!! Only person with some sense! You can feel bad for her childhood but at the same time, she could be just as bad as her mother. And the fact that she manipulated him into killing her mother, SCARY! And now she's out? I don't know. Only time will tell. I hope for her sake, that she does great! And that my fears are NOT realized. I will give her benefit of the doubt. But she is calculating and cold! That I don't need to wait and find out.
There are so many troubling factors in this case, it’s almost impossible to untangle the mess that is Gypsy’s life. My main issue for me is wondering how her mother managed to convince medical professionals that her daughter was seriously ill? Surely, blood tests, ECGs, X-rays and other medical procedures would have shown no sign of disease or significant health issues? It all sounds rather bizarre to me. I watched my granddaughter go through gruelling leukaemia treatment as a toddler, and still struggle to this day with the trauma and realisation that we nearly lost her on several occasions. There was never a time that the hospital was not in complete control of her treatment regimen. She is now close to her last checkup appointments, at the age of fourteen. 🎉 Gypsy was let down by so many people - it breaks my heart.
I live in Springfield, while I don’t know Gypsy or her mother personally, I’ve been following the story since it was brought to my attention via friends on Facebook and her first post after the murder. Her mother used to use her to deceive the local comicon, and I am friends with people involved with that event. This is probably one of the most well-rounded opinions I have heard on this case. Thank you for doing it justice!
I very much agree with you on this one. It's just so sad how kids can just fall through these giant cracks in our medical system and child welfare systems.
But what is inexplicable to me is how she fell through the crack for so many years! And how were those surgeries allowed to take place without the tests results needed?
Gypsy Rose is a murderer. Yet she was indeed quite cunning about it and very protective of herself so she had a developmentally delayed young man do her dirty work. He is serving a life sentence while his conspirator is being celebrated as a "stunning and brave survivor!" And she flipped on him, accusing him of rape. It was a terrible thing that happened to her but she learned from her mother and turned into a bigger predator than Dee Dee ever was. As such she should be serving much more time along with Godejohn. She is cognizant of what she did both before the murder and after. And if she is not guilty of murder due to her mental health, she must remain in a locked facility until her improved mental health can be guaranteed. Great upload Dr Grande! I always enjoy your content!
How is she "a bigger predator" than her mother? Has she tortured a child to the point that their growth was severely stunted and all their teeth fell out? Has she poisoned somebody with weed killer? No, she had a guy kill the person who abused her terribly since early childhood.
@@GhastlyCretinyou pass it off so lightly as though manipulating someone to murder is no big deal. All she did was have someone kill for her. That was all.
@@RobertaReal7980 You act like she killed someone who didn't brutally abuse her for 23 years My point is that she absolutely isn't as bad as her mother. Very far from it. She's a victim. And assuming that guy isn't responsible for his own actions then he's essentially a victim of the mother too.
Your demeanor is always so calm and soothing. I think I get somewhat hypnotized until you throw out your dry wit and snap me back in real time. Never gets old. I've always enjoyed your take on people and their situations.
It also seems that Gypsy learnt from her mother a thing or two about manipulating weaker people. It is indeed a very sad case, but at the end Gypsy managed to get somebody to do the dirty work and get away with it.
Agreed. They didn't take his autism into account during his sentencing, I can't imagine he would have gotten life if they had. He might not have the mental capacity to understand the gravity of his actions. A failure of the justice system, on top of all the other failures that led to this situation in the first place.
I believe her life WAS in danger from her mother, but at the time of the murder, it wasn't an imminent threat. Gypsy was an intelligent young adult. There were alternatives, but I believe by that point the hate and abuse made Gypsy want her mother dead. Great upload. Thanks Dr. G
Totally see where you’re coming from, but I think it was imminent. It might not have been coming within the next couple of hours, but it seems almost certain that if Gypsy hadn’t found a way out she would have died. It was imminent, just in slow motion. Typically in a case like that it’s best for someone to just leave, but if they truly reasonably don’t think they can leave (which I think is true for Gypsy since she’d tried multiple ways and failed) then I think it’s self-defense
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped I don’t disagree with you. But it wasn’t the true legal definition of self defense. She had time to think if an alternative and she lived online. She figured out Greyhound bus schedules etc. she could’ve googled “how to escape my mom” and come up with something besides murder. But murder solved her problem long term. But I get what you’re saying. Yes. Staying, she would have died. Agreed. That was the only safe end game for her mom.
@@cglenn1457 that’s kind of the interesting part, though most self defense cases are people who are literally about to be murdered, that’s not required for self-defense in most states (I’m a law student so I learned the factors in law school). You don’t need someone to be running at you with a knife for self-defense. There’s actually lots of cases where people in abusive relationships kill their abusers and they are able to get off on self-defense grounds even if they weren’t being physically abused in that exact moment. For self defense you need 1. Absence of provocation from defendant 2. Actual belief that you are in imminent danger to your life 3. Reasonable grounds for that belief 4. Absence of reasonable possibility for retreat. Now its debatable whether Gypsy actually did have a reasonable option for retreat, but it’s definitely possible for her to have gotten self-defense. I Imagine with how high profile the case was at the time and how good the 10 year offer was, her lawyers didn’t think it was worth the risk.
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped I didn’t realize the distinction. Thanks for letting me know. I still think she wanted her mom dead on top of fearing her abuse. She didn’t know at the time how dangerous to her life her mom actually was. I'd probably want my mom dead, also, but I’m quite certain I wouldn’t be able to plan and go through with cancelling her. Whatever the case, hopefully GRB continues to receive therapy and work on core issues and be able to live a happy, fulfilling, pro-social life. Thanks for writing that all out. I stand corrected 😊
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped also: *If GRB HAD gotten self defense, would Nicholas Godejohn have a chance for a reduced sentence for helping her to survive the situation?* She said in her texts to him many, many times that she couldn't do it herself.
Thank you for eloquently outlining this for people. This was a tragedy and I used to wonder if her prison sentence would further impede on her emotional and mental growth now that she was free from her mother. Only time will tell if she is able to have a happy, healthy, safe life moving forward.
Going to physical prison was a huge step up for Gypsy. Pretty sad. I hope she had the opportunity to grow and recover in many areas of her life. I hope she manages to have a much better life .
@@ravenrozeb3790 lol come on, though… we all know things aren’t always what they seem during the social media age though.. I just hope it’s her reality!
I'm glad you got away. And I'm sorry you were hurt. I do think, though, it was Very likely she would not have had a few more years. Once her mom started losing all control she likely would've killed Gypsy for the attention
On one hand, Gyspy is a victim and she was being TORTURED every single day. She couldn't escape, it was self defence. But on the other hand, she planned the crime, supplied the tools (but didnt so it herself), found someone to do it and then had sex immediately afterwards. So bizzare and manipulative. So I get why she went to prison. Even stranger than she got married in prison to someone she didnt know before. She tricked Nicholas to going down in prison for life and then didn't stay loyal to him. She used him.The whole thing is so strange.
Well said, Dr. Grande! This girl needed intensive mental health support! When I think of some of the creeps out there who get suspended sentences for cruelly victimizing others this makes me sick. How do you assess a patient and operate on them mistakenly? These physicians need their licenses revoked!
I completely agree with your “analysis”… Of the many videos I've seen of yours, this one showed more compassion than I’m used to seeing from you. In this mean & ugly world, your compassion is welcomed and appreciated. Thx💜
Her punishment, if i were the judge here, really would stem from her involvement of Nick. Gypsy was initally, purely an undeserving victim, but she became a perpetrator, no different than her mother Dede, when she manipulated nick into pulling the trigger. Her mother, who was THEE perpetrator, ended up a deserving victim. Nick, ultimately pays the biggest price(loss of freedom and future), while trying to do the "right thing" for someone that was just taking advantage of a cognitively diminished person. Nick should've been granted the reduced sentence(equivalent to his diminshed mental status). Gypsy should've been given a prison term of 15-25years for her coercion of nick to pull the trigger/responsibility for stripping him of his freedom/future. Upon her release from prison, should she shouldve been also given the conditional probation of 21 years, for taking her mother's life, should she conceive a child.
Well said. I saw Gypsy promoting herself and her new show and saying perfectly scripted things to make herself look good and it made me queasy. Up until then I had sympathy for her. The respectful thing to do is live a quiet life and work on your mental health. An innocent man is paying with his life for your freedom.
Your post is one of the best I have read on here yet. Gypsy manipulated this young man, with an atypical neurological disorder, ruins his life to save herself and gets to live her life with an educator who frankly, is at risk of being abused himself by the woman he rescued from prison.
Yes, Sad but true. She was badly abused and has not had much opportunity to heal from that. She has admitted she is a good liar and can manipulate people (learned from the best). Hurt people hurt people. I am glad she is not locked up but she needs much help.
I never really know many details of this case, but Dr. Grande did a very good summary and very concise. I used to think that she could've called the police, but now I realize why she didn't. She didn't trust the police (thanks to mom's teaching) plus she thought people wouldn't trust her, and she does have a very good reason why she thought this. Plus many professionals seemed to just look the other way. Gypsy could end up dead 100% in the hand of her mother sooner than later, if she remained with Dee Dee and acted rebellious.
When this story first appeared I felt so sorry for Gipsy. Her life must have been a nightmare. Killing somebody isn’t the right way to solve a problem but in this case I can understand the actions that Gipsy took. All those doctors didn’t have a clue, it’s hard to believe …
Another great analysis. I'm kinda in the middle. On one hand, I think Gypsy was at a point where her only way of survival was to kill her mother. But, then why did she manipulate a young man to do the murder for her? I think she should have been punished because of that.
Glad to see an update from you on Gypsy. I hope you revisit the Menendez brothers' case or at least the analysis of people comparing the two. I personally find them different circumstances, but I'd love your take, Dr Grande!
X rays show very little and many medical conditions are not easily seen in routine testing or imaging. Medicine is far more complicated than the general public believes. And genetic testing was in its infancy during her time
@@jennh2096As someone who has yet to get a diagnosis for whatever has been causing me pain for years your comment rings so true. Imaging, including MRI, doesn't show everything and what it does show might not even be the source of the problem.
Yup, medicine is an art more than science even. Although we're getting better tests everyday. The doctors and nurses really depend on an accurate self-report of the patient or in this case the patient's parent.
Unfortunately I think one of the biggest reasons is that Gypsy had symptoms related to huge amount of medication given by her mother so she was indeed sick or should I say been poisoned... not a justification tho, if doctors can't tell the difference 😢
You know I live in Costa Rica and we have a pretty strong health system that would not allowed this situation, as there is a virtual medical file for every person in the country, so all records of diagnosis, meds, surgeries... anything is recorded in the same place and is pretty hard if not impossible to buy a diagnosis as such... if parents disagree and start fishing for another doctor until they can find the one that agrees, someone would eventually notice it, specially for children
I have a cousin who was close to being like Dee Dee. She would rush her kids and step kids to doctor after doctor for the slightest problem and was a bit of a hypochondriac herself. I think her problems stemmed from when she was a baby/toddler. She was sick a lot (legitimately sick) and hospitalized several times for croup and pneumonia. She got a lot of attention and was overindulged. She seemed to spend the rest of her childhood seeking that same attention.
Exactly! When GR becomes the breadwinner she’ll do away with her husband as he’s just her stepping stone. I don’t think she felt like she was in a crisis given she spent time searching relationships, dating app and makeup tutorials, but nothing on how to get out of a crisis situation.
You act like they're comparable though, obviously she manipulated him, but he's not the one with the personal justified reason to do it, he didn't endure what she did. Killing out of "love" is not seen as a reason to free someone, but I think his sentence should be a lot lower.
@@Olivetree80 I just watched Dr. Grande's video about Nick and due to his analysis, I no longer feel the same way. I now know that Nick has wanted to kill someone for some time. It wasn't just his obsession with Gypsy that led to him kill Dee Dee.
He had fantasies about killing people before he actually did it and wanted to rape Dee dee’s dead body. So no I don’t think he really deserves pity. He is a dangerous person who already had a record.
Nick dug his own grave interviewing while in prison, further incriminating himself, even after the judge told him to keep his mouth shut. Who knows what his sentence could have been if he just listened.
Anyone else feel like the boyfriend's sentence was a little harsh? I get he committed the murder, but he was certainly encouraged to do so. One could argue he did it to protect Gypsy. That he was convinced, as she was, this was her only chance to survive. Not to mention that he was diagnosed with mental health issues/deficiencies. I understand him being found guilty, but life without parole? Makes me wonder if he had proficient legal representation, or maybe there was an offer on the table that he refused? My gut says since the state felt Gypsy was getting such a "gift" that they felt someone had to truly answer for the murder, so they dropped the hammer on Nicholas. I am in no way saying he is innocent or didn't deserve some degree of punishment, but maybe parole after 20-25 years?
No, she had her mother murdered by an autistic boy that she took advantage of. She is free, and he has life in prison. All she needed to do was escape and turn her mother in. Like all the other kids that escape their abusive parents. Had they murdered their parents out would not be considered self-defense. I don't understand how anyone could view this as self-defense.
Yeah, I always liked Dr Grande’s content, but this video seems to be sympathetic towards her. She’s a manipulator and used someone to kill her own mom. If she was that traumatized, why didn’t she do it herself? Someone who is in psychosis from trauma, doesn’t go looking for a patsy to do the dirty work.
Spot on Dr. Grande. So sad that Gypsy had to endure an additional decade of confinement & control & whatever abuses she may have had to endure while imprisoned instead of being allowed to enjoy the freedom that she so desperate needed & deserved. Thank you for covering her story. We'll done.
I wonder, after operating on Gypsy, what did the surgeons write on the descriptions? We entered, we found no problem, we closed? How did Deedee convince surgeons to operate on Gypsy? Because doctors need to see a proof of the need for entering a patient to the OR, via a CAT scan, ultrasounds, etc. If there was nothing, what would drive those surgeons to nod to Deedee and operate on Gypsy???
DeeDee was an excellent manipulator. She would have known that imaging, even CT or MRI , doesn't always show everything and might have claimed Gypsy had some problem that imaging will not show and successfully demand exploratory surgery.
I think its obvious Gypsy knew exactly what she was doing when she manipulated Nick. I also think its cruel for him to be in prison for life while shes out and about again
@@Julie-si3hi. She learned tactics from Dee Dee, but I don’t think it says much about her underlying personality traits. She was a victim, who just wanted to get free. The motivations were very different.
I hadn't heard that Dee Dee's ashes were flushed down the toilet. Somehow this information made me very happy. I believe that she is the only guilty party is this entire case. I also do wonder how much her mental illness made her horrible behavior uncontrollable. I may be blaming her for physiological problems in her brain. It is so easy to focus on what a mentally ill person does rather than why they do it- or if they even had a choice.
So many things went wrong in her life and no one did anything to help but hurt her. Her family, her doctors, witnesses and even her boyfriend doing what was seen as "justice" the justice system punished her for. Everyone has made her life even worse. I hope that now that she's freed she either finds real friends or moves out into a deep part of the woods so she never has to rely on or get betrayed by anyone ever again.
I have autoimmune issues but the doctors treat me like a druggie. I just want a damn diagnosis. I don’t want their crappy drugs. Meanwhile they’ll do whatever to this poor girl for no reason. Then send her to prison. Our system is horrible!
If the mother had a higher intelligence level she could have stopped access to phone, internet and caused genuine medical issues for Gypsy Rose. Then Gypsy Rose could have been trapped for life. I felt so sorry for her that she got 10 years.
Many munchausen by proxy victims actually wind up being poisoned or killed in some manner. Dee Dee was getting close as Gypsy was older and more aware of what was going on and Dee Dee saw her slipping away from her control. It reached the point of kill or be killed
@@Boudicca527it certainly was a complicated case that he got convicted but then overturned but does the science mean he was innocent!?! It definitely begged more questions than answers
She's walking as around free now and the special needs guy she coerced into committing the actual murder is locked away for life. This entire case was bonkers.
She should have never been put in prison to begin with. In the final analysis, it was her [boyfriends] own decision to kill. But I think his sentence should have been 15 years, not life.
I think they are equally responsible for the mom's death, so if she's free, he should be too. She used sex to manipulate him into doing her dirty work.
@@MedusasFeelinSalty I’m kinda leaning toward that too, but I can also understand the argument that he poses a threat to society if a little sex and coercion is enough for him to stab someone 17 times.
Doubt he would talk about it because he definitely shouldn’t be in jail if she’s free and a lot of people don’t see it that way they see her as some hero but really she was treated poorly and then manipulated a person with autism to kill her mom so sad
There is and never will be a justification for murdering another human being. There were places and people she could have turned to, without a doubt. The mother would surely have been arrested and an investigation done. It's a cop out to say well she endured so much, so have many people in this world, and they did not murder for it. I believe she paid her dues in prison however considering much of her life was taken away. I just cannot condone murder.
People complain that medical profs don't listen to them about themselves or their children when the docs can't find anything wrong. But yet, according to the comments people are also mad at the medical community for listening to the mom that she actually had problems. People don't understand, especially during this time, doctors very often make a diagnosis based on symptoms and many things don't show up in "testing." Genetic testing was in its infancy at this time. Medical professionals are often caught between a rock and a hard spot between trying to listen to and validate patients (or their parents) complaints, while also dealing with people that do in fact make up illnesses or are hypochondriacs. The biggest injustice in this case is the fact that the man that actually carried out the act will rot in prison forever, while the mastermind now walks free. He felt he was helping to avenge the abuse of someone he cared for, but would have never done this had it not been for Gypsy Rose's planning and encouragement to do so. He should not have gotten any more time than she did. If she had gotten away, it's not self defense by definition. But she took an uninvolved person down with her, just as her mom did to her. This is the ultimate injustice
Well nick did tell gypsy he had an alter ego named victor that was a 500 year old vampire that liked to kill and r*pe. And that’s how they got on the topic of ending the mothers life
That line... "Having DeeDee as a morality teacher is like contacting prince Andrew to teach public relations, or hiring Hunter Biden as a tax consultant." 😂😂😂 You floored me sir! Well played! 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
I don’t get why so many people have been practically celebrating her, yet no one gives a damn about the guy she got to do her dirty work who’s spending the rest of his life in prison…
Literally a perfect case of male disposability, that is the way it is when all the fakeness of society is wiped away. We are only good for what we can do, not for what we are like women. And when we are no longer useful or have fulfilled our use to others, we are thrown away like garbage and no one cares. If you are exceptionally attractive it can augment your disposability somewhat but at the end of the day the pretty boys get flushed too, it just takes alot longer.
I for one, do not celebrate her all over the news cycle and crime documentary shows getting paid for having murdered her mom using a poor pawn. He gets life in prison with no chance of release for being manipulated. Gypsy did to him what her mother did to her.
Bravo, Dr Grande! This poor girl was manipulated to believe she had no way out... and yet she found the only way she knew. Yet she regrets it. I completely agree w your analysis. 🎉
Dr Grande, not related to the video, but could you please do a video about anxiety? How to identify children with an anxiety disorder, types of anxiety , things about this subject… I ask because I have this disorder (in Brazilian Portuguese is TAG, transtorno de ansiedade generalizada) and I think your video would help me understand myself better since you explain things so clearly for those who don’t understand how the mind works and the upbringings that cause a disorder. Thank u and much love from Brazil
I really enjoy Dr. Grande's current content, and I recognize this gets more views than his previous content of analyzing and explaining different mental health diagnoses. But, he was really good with that, too. I'd love to see some mental health education videos amongst these analyzing videos.
This case is extremely sad. I don't think her hero boyfrend, being autistic should spend the rest of his life in jail. She convinced him to save her, and he did just that. She convinced him to help her, probably his first ever girlfriend, and he seems to left holding the bag for DeDe's evil. Let him out. I hardly think it is appropriate if Gypsy got second-degree murder when she thought up the whole plan, supplied the weapons, and her boyfriend then was accused of first degree murder. I suppose he will be forever forgotten in prison. He did the world a favor.
