Did Her Mother Abuse Her? - Law & Order SVU 

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God, that episode hurt a lot. I wanted Munch to punch off that bastard's smug face.

What episode was it?

I remember that tragic episode. That incel pissed me TF off, and you could see Munch’s rage being contained as the guy explains his reason for killing her.

@@bonniedavidson5940 Season 1 episode 20: Remorse

Watch police interrogations. They do this a lot to get the perp to feel comfortable enough to confess. If you’re feeling judged, you clam up. You feel like you’re among like-minded people, you open up.

Which is why you keep your mouth shut and answer with "no comment" or wait for your attorney

@@hothotheat3000 That's the key to getting people to spill the truth, you want to start with telling them what they want to hear. Humans will deny any fact if it isn't what they want.

Would be admissible though? I could see a judge tossing that. They already considered her a suspect when munch talks to her. No miranda rights administered. A good defence lawyer would get that excluded before trial.

If the girl wasn't actually awake and hadn't said anything, that's entrapment and confession under emotional duress and without rights read. That's getting immediately tossed out.

1000%

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Especially since you know just how horrific it was when it happened to you.

Indeed. 👍👏

They aren't looking for empathy. The problem is that because they have been assaulted as a child they think the behavior is normal.

well done

YES!!! XD

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Munch vs. Munchausen in Munch's House, Son!

More like Narcissism

That but its more than that not having or not getting the proper help is the biggest thing.

I mean not nesiccerily

I can't remember who said this but "Those who learn from their own mistakes are smart but those who learns from others' mistake are wise."

The difficulty with many child abuse cases; to the child the behaviour is normal. to them this is their life, they don't know any different. it is their normal. If this lady didn't have any help in the aftermath, then she doesnt nesseccarily see why the behaviour was wrong because it was her normal. You can only learn from a mistake if you know a mistake was made and understand why it was wrong.

@@BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays As someone who suffered mental and emotional abuse, this rings true. It didn't have to be physical, but the remnants are the same, something is a 'normal.'. I may not have children, but I have two dogs, still in their puppy stages, 9 months apart. I love them both like they are my own and although they know I am stern in how they treat each other, they know I love them. It may not be physical abuse, but I won't let them be emotionally damaged, nor mentally disadvantaged like I was. I can say my parents were both those things to me, but not my younger siblings, but I carry that weight because I was the oldest. My parents didn't know how to be parents.

Facts

Wonder if it’s IQ related.

Yes she had a choice but some people that become mentally unhealthy aren't socially aware of what they're doing. Yes they might know they are doing something wrong but to them they think it's "normal". For example her mother said her mom used a hair brush to discipline her. The mother thought that type of discipline is normal so she did the same

@@SelenaY.1331 it mostly depends on whether or not they saw other families. Once exposed to what families are supposed to be like, that realization hit.

@@savannahhague4989 it you said mostly... If someone is severely mentally I'll they won't see themselves thats in the wrong. I made my statement because that had happened to a lot of kids that get put into foster care but your statement could sometimes happen too if a parent is able to help themselves before they become severely mentally ill

What story? Was he abused as a kid as well or what?

@@droganovic6879 He told a story about a little girl who lived in the same neighborhood he did, and he took her for granted even though he could see the pain on her face. When she died from abuse Munch felt very guilty he didn't do anything.

@@droganovic6879 When Munch was growing up, his neighbor was a younger girl who was being abused by her mother. Munch could tell that something wasn’t right, he felt like she was looking at him as a cry for help but he didn’t do anything. Then, one day he noticed she was gone and he found out that her mother threw her out the window and killed her. That’s why this case affected Munch so much. He had been carrying so much guilt ever since he was a teenager because he blamed himself for his neighbor’s death and felt he could’ve prevented her death. That’s also why this scene from the episode was so powerful because Munch knew exactly what to say to get this monster of a woman to confess what she did to her daughter. I believe the scene between Munch and Olivia that I referenced was immediately after this one. After Munch got this woman to confess, he went up to the roof and was crying/angry/upset so Olivia went up there and he opened up to her about it. *This is season 2, episode 4 by the way. Highly recommend watching the full episode! The mother actually tried to frame her stepson for it.*

@@Irisheddy Yes it was so sad to hear him tell Olivia how he blamed himself for it because he could tell that the girl was sad and felt like she was reaching out to him for help when he would see her through the window, but of course he had no idea what was really going on and it’s really awful knowing that stuff like this happens in the real world every single day. I just can’t understand how ANYONE could do that to a child, but especially their own parent.

They should have added that part there😔〽️

no wonder he got objections by the people and the defense at the same time

script writers are great

He definitely deserved an Emmy or Golden Globe for his work in this show!

Yes He passed away Rest in peace

That's exactly why it's so important to have multiple perspectives. None of them would get it right every time. They cover each other's blind spots.

​@@angiki9988True, but there's been a couple of times Olivia lost perspective on certain people.

I mean, you should always believe "the victim" at first if they're saying they've been victimized. You don't start off assuming they're lying. Innocent until proven guilty

@swimfast724 Yes. But Olivia doesn't let the evidence speak for itself. She let's her *personal bias and narrative* speak. Which makes her too close to every case, sometimes damaging it and emotionally damaging herself at the same time. Inefficient method of working as a police officer. Watching Olivia do that to herself hurts, not to mention it is so unhealthy.

@@samhart4205yes actually I’ve noticed that she is mostly inclined to blindly have faith in the victim which can get really annoying, and that’s what rattles her, because that makes her emotionally invested in the case, and her view of the situation.

when he put his hand on her shoulder i was like woah Hold ya horsers and calm down there its getting a bit close for comfort

...and then the Owner of the Daily Bugle!

@@juliobrian4757 And Santa Claus.

@@foolslayer9416 and Omni man

props to Christopher Meloni, B.D. Wong and Kathryn Erbe, majors in the L&O Universe and characters of Oz as well. I don't remember if I'm forgetting anyone else

@@darkassassin6457 And the youngest son of Avatar Aang.

Check him out in "Homicide: Life On The Street"; he's arguably even better.

Not all the time. Sometimes those tears are fake. Let them cry. They will figure out that you are not bound by their manipulations. They will respect you more, because they NEED you to NOT GIVE IN to them all the time.

This does not that you don't love your children. You live them enough to teach them some self-control, and boundaries; and that the world does not revolve around them. Genuine love has nothing to do with "feel goods" all the time.

the kid was crying because she had bleeding in the brain it causes an incredible headache and the kid panics because they can't see it's like being drunk everything spins and goes into tunnel vision

@@JSmedic1 There is something inherently wrong with your point of view.

@@JSmedic1 are you okay??

Man is very into psychology; he reads people, and he _gets_ people.

And she was. She was a victim of the same abuse as a child. I'm not saying she shouldn't be charged or go to jail. She did those things to her daughter. She deserved to go to jail. What I'm saying is her own parents deserve some of the blame, since their actions shaped her into what she is now. They made her the way she is. They deserve some punishment as well.

@ytafan4068 Which they already where were. Fact of the matter is once u have kids you are responsible for their well-being. It is absolutely on her for abusing her kid. I’m sure others Who were abused as kids don’t go onto do the same!

Humans like being told what they want to hear. Interrogators use that to their advantage.

Moral of the story is not to abuse your own child for personal gain and don't ruin multiple lives in the process

It sounds like her mother was there for her the same way she was there for her daughter; "my mother used a hairbrush on me" she was abused by both her parents and mentally screwed up for life because of it.

my step -father grew up like this, his father was very abusive physical to him , his mom and siblings. Thankfully he is not like him. my step father has never laid a hand on me or any of his children.

my father also went through it with his three siblings, and of three of them: 1 is dead, 1 is in a mental hospital and 1 has slight mental issues. my dad has done well not repeating the cycle

I don’t understand that. If i were abused as a child I’d do everything in my capable to protect my child from abuse. What in the world would make you abuse your own child. In this situation did the mother like hairbrush?

But the sad truth his her mom might have also been a victim of her own parents too. Without therapy or serious sole searching those patterns repeat over and over again

The funny thing is that some abusive parents actually love their child deeply. They just see their abuse as necessary to the child's development. We live in a twisted world.

@@nutellacelery8830 Well my parents know the difference between strict discipline and abuse, and so did their parents. My parents don’t believe in corporal punishment and my grandparents had stricter methods but it was far from abusive.

I always feel hurt for children who have "parents" like that, no child deserves it

Yep

It's the sad and tragic reality we live in

It’s sad how hard people struggle to imagine it. You’d think people would be more worried about psychologically abusive parents than hyped white vans

@@yucol5661 I think there's weight in both. The white van is a really thing. So many kids get snatched. But there is this lack of concern on what happen behind closed doors. And between cultures and races and class of what parenting vs abuse looks like. The type of parenting I received growing up a lot of people would deem abusive.

He past away I saw the news today, I think the demise was recently.

R. I. P. 💔💔💔💔😥😥😥😥

So true we love you Richard

Don’t worry. It’s fiction.

@@rosaliamoon4525 All cases LAO are based on real cases they just change the name and some of the circumstance, so sadly someone did have this happen to them :(

@@Bird-Birdy-Love not all the stories are real but I can see this one being real for sure.

@@Bird-Birdy-Love “Law & Order: SVU pulls inspiration from real-life events and national news stories but changes the details substantially to create original scripts that deviate from real life. ... Typically by the end of an episode, only a few details remain similar to the story that provided the case's inspiration.” This is from an article about the show.

Its definitely a thing that happens with newborns and postpartum psychosis

Right. This was such a sad episode, especially when Munch was telling Olivia about the neighbor who was abused by her mom who sadly died and the guilt Munch felt for not doing something

@@shaheedsimon24 It’s Very Hard to Dealt with Child Abuse’s! It wasn’t Fair at All.

@@johnsanjuan9364 at all!

i agree, to me parents that do that to their kids are some of the worst people in the world.

You should never treat ANYONE like that -- esp. children, b/c they can't protect themselves.

I liked what he said in the SVU episode Manipulated: “You’re under arrest for the murders of Vikki Riggs and Josie Post, and for assaulting one of New York’s finest finest.”

Whoa

Hugs. I hope that you and your sister have found a way to heal from such a traumatic childhood.

Your mom is pretty messed up I'm sorry you went through that but at least your life is better now

I would like to give you a big hug! You're amazing!

I'm truly very sorry that you and your sister had to go through that. Thank God your dad rescued the two of you. What happened to your mother? Is she in jail?

First, because she's one of those people who isn't capable of caring about anyone but themselves, and second, she never got the help she needed to get over her own abuse.

There was also the episode with Billy the Toyman, but it turned out she used her little girl to bilk money.

It’s one of the defining moments of his character, it was well paired with him reading Dr. Seuss to the girl in the hospital.

@@richardrobart-morgan3407 I also liked anything involving people from past relationships,it showed he was as vulnerable as anybody else

Yeah.

He's terrific

but they reflected on this like it was the best episode and they kept on going back to the drawing board with this episode that he has a connection to every single victim

I heard the character of Stabler is coming back in his own series, it’ll be cool if Munch came back as the Lieu.

I think he's going to be focusing on taking down some crime syndicates to but it's going to have many crossovers with SVU that's what they mentioned

uncle Munch to the rescue

It’s time for that thang to go 🤣

I know him as water T

Benson, Stabler, Munch, Fin, then Cragen

Stabler, Benson, Munch then Finn

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She wasn’t killed, just incapacitated; there’s a chance that she’ll recover, but she’s got a long road to recovery.

@@Aggression-hc3yp oh that's actually good to hear. I never seen this episode and I only seen this clip.

I can actually see this confession happening. She's basically addicted to the attention, she needs it to feel good about herself. She's also rationalizing the abuse and with her own traumatic past she's more mentally fragile. You would just need to push the right buttons with her kind of mental state. The charade was only able to last for so long because no on was actually looking at her in the first place.

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You'd be surprised how often that works.

Go watch Chris Watts interrogation…they did the exact same thing.

The key is rapport building. You have to build a rapport with the victim. He knew what she wanted, sympathy. So he used it against her.

I cant wait

I was because I thought he was going back to SVU. I can't get into his new show.

@@sarcasticallyrearranged I thought I was the only one, I really tried getting into Stablers show but it just isn’t the same

So long as Stabler’s back, I could care less about which faction of the NYPD he’s in. Organized Crime isn’t a bad show.

What episode is it?

@@norafizahhar9480 it call downloaded child, season 15 episode 19 i beileve

I gave mine away to my best mate the mug dsnt like a microwave as mine started to spark

Yes they can bluff

They lie all the time

Actually called a bluff and they mostly use it to get the truth.

I think the question is more because if they were wrong, thats a seriously fucked thing to lie about.

When someone is a suspect, use any means, including bluffing, to make them confess to a crime. If they can’t answer to it, they have either convinced themselves that they innocent or they really are innocent. Plus with new technology and tactics, the police can get answers faster and put the bad guys away.

I believe a big reason for that is b/c it's easy to bully & abuse people who can't protect themselves, & can't, or won't, fight back -- esp. children