This surface rust nonsense on mot's is in my opinion the powers that be trying to get us to buy new or nearly new cars , my Toyota is 11 years old and runs like a Swiss watch , I will not be getting rid of it anytime ever .
Mine had an advisory for servere rust on rear axle, it's a 2015 Abarth with 26k on it, I had my local Italian specialist grind it down and repaint it, disappeared off the advisory on the next mot, you are totally right they are bing so picky!
I lot of subframes have signs of rust shortly after they were delivered new. It's probably because manufacturer's only seem to give them one coat of a black gloss, if they did a better job of priming them like the whole body then they last a lot longer.
Mot's a lottery. Same advisory on mine 3 years in a row suddenly disappeared this year despite me not doing anything to the car 🤷 Same garage, same tester, guess he was in a better mood.
Love the advice at the end. My classic isn’t exactly a firebird, it’s a MK1 Mondeo TD I took it out today for the time in ages and amazed how smooth it is on the motorway compared to newer cars. Best advice get them out and enjoy them It’s quite scruffy on the outside a full resort is needed but if I did I wouldn’t want to use it.
From someone who has been in the industry a long time testing vehicles, I can say that advisors for serface corrosion are due to a lack of confidence from the tester.
I bought a 55 plate Renault Scenic with surface rust noted on the rear subframe - I had a look under before buying and it didn't look too bad. I've since had a trusted garage look at it and they complained about the mot changes, saying they'd probably have to note it, but it was not at all bad. I'd second the suggestion that the government want old cars off the road - they do last a lot longer than they did in the late 80's (when a 12 year old car was barely alive) - the newest car I have is 15 years old!
I'd also just seen your video on the subframe of the car you had on a small lift in your 2nd unit ... so was a bit cavalier in thinking it wouldn't be too costly to fix ... The Scenic actually came from your area of the country, with stamps from dealers / owners addresses in Barnstaple and Bideford. It was a smoker's car, though the smell is fading. The door handles and centre console are sticky - and any cleaning that removes the stickiness also changes the colour (Old Gold fades to silver), which looks odd as the car interior is mostly shades of beige ...
As soon as I have bought my last three cars I have treated them with Lanoguard underneath and just top it up annually it takes about 30 min and I never have any problems with signs of rust.
I'm a mot tested of 25 years and still current and there's no reason for this but people being over the top will advisories, we all know vosa want pass and advise on testers algorithms and as cars are so good now it's easy pickings, just as the advisories for undertray fitted etc etc......
@jasonrendell1545 When my colleague done the course I used to advise on under trays/sill trims fitted obscuring view, he said as they are fitted as standard dvsa knows they are so no need to advise them. 🤷🏻♂️ who’s right
It's down to testers discretion, and yes there's an advisory pre set for undertrays I think its down to experience/ product knowledge to advise for that given I understand the tester is responsible for certain things after a period of time but we all should test with confidence like I said advisory's are subjective from tester to tester. Kindly jason
It’s just a tester covering his arse end of the day it’s an advisory not a failure and not likely to fail within 3 months for corrosion / 1 month mechanical? Cant remember which way round it is lol
That was the great thing about old British Leyland vehicles they had a built in corrosion preventing being all the oil leaks that coated the underside with a little oil 😂
Thats bad the advisory on the corrosion. It's very minimal, but that advisory is enough to put someone off making an emquiry or coming to aee the car before you have chance to explain its an advisory on a 10 year old car. Some nice stock coming through, wish I could get some kia/hyundais.
I have just had the MOT done on my 2000 Vectra which I had a lot of restoration work at the back end done when I bought it. It was quite ruthless, I got the phone call and they asked if i wanted the discs /pads done. I told them on the basis of the advisory report and the corrosion on it I pointed out that as it was on its deathbed it would not be economical to do it they then started back tracking on it ! So yes it’s going to be like that going forward.
I would sooner see a thin coating of Lanoguard and still see the metalwork beneath ,that a thick coating of underseal. The testers know the difference between surface rust and corrosion type rust.
James well done with the charity raffle. I have a question is it right that the mot station wont give you a printed mot certificate anymore unless you pay extra? if you are like me that's not fair because I like to show everything and keep records of everything I have done to my during my ownership
They don't have to print it but must supply you with a printed certificate if you request it, they can only charge for replacement or duplicate certificates.
U will get surface corrosion on subframes it happens on a car that is 10 years old.as along as it’s not corroded to the point on it needing replaced then it’s fine.its just mot testers being absolutely picky.if u had things like springs corroded. Struts corroded suspension arms corroded exhaust corroded u would have advisories three or four pages long.
Surface rust not like it has holes in it. Just wire brush and spray it for your own piece of mind and give it a few more years protection. Did it on a car i owned got in all the nooks and crannies looked great. If they have to put it down so what you have give it protection and given a few more years on the road. DVLA nit picking tester only doing his job.
Also wet belts r an absolute joke.whoever decided to do that needs their head checked out coz oil and rubber do not mix especially a timing belt. My garage has had 4 Vauxhall mokkas in with the Citroen/peugeot engine and the belts have started to break up and the car is only 4years old. Told the customers to go back to Vauxhall to c if they would contribute to the repairs.also had the Peugeots and Citroens in with the exact same problem. Ford transits r also wet belts and had a couple of them in too broken
I know a Peugeot Martin dealer mechanic who has changed silly numbers of these 1.2 engines under warranty. Mostly with the belt breaking down and blocking the oil pickup, but I understand some just because a tiny engine in a large car is a stupid idea. There's even been a recall of sorts but best advice is just to steer clear. That and their 1.5 diesel with the elastic chain.
We've had plenty of fords come in with knackered turbos cos of wet belts breaking down and blocking strainers just had a focus in couple weeks ago after the customer drove 100mile with oil light on and killed the engine glitter in the oil turbo absolutely goosed and still had 7k left in the finance 😮
Hello James, interesting report on the "Raffle mini" (well done to the winner!) and the natural concern about the corrosion / surface rust - well, to be expected due to the age of the car, BUT, it could have been worse! No it'd not a "rot-box" as the MOT inspection has given it a pass! I do like your brave attitude concerning the Land Rover, (as it is a make that constantly found in a garage having work done) and hope your wife enjoys the (expensive) car? Best wishes from Lincolnshire.
I think a lot depends on the mood of the tester on the day. I had a minor oil leak advised on my car's MOT three years ago and having done nothing to resolve it it hasn't appeared on any MOT since.
you need to get one of those electric car hoists if this is an ongoing issue with the MOTs now !!! whip every new car in to the workshop, check out the underneath before you do anything else to them ??
Corrosion is unacceptable these days. I bought a Jag last year and it was a polished turd. This is the reason I have a 4 post ramp in my garage. All my vehicles are treated regularly for corrosion and its totaly worth the effort
Tiny scabs from flaky powder coating should not receive the subframe corroded but not seriously weakened advisory. You'll know exactly what I mean if I said a fiat 500/ ford Ka / Toyota aygo when they are nearly rotten, completely brown with surface rust, THAT is what the advisory is for - corroded but not yet seriously weakened. DVSA don't like pointless advisories, I know a tester that got scalded for advising brake pads that were 50% worn at best (it was a setup car sent in as a spot check)
There’s been no new instructions about advising this stuff, I think maybe they’ve got a new tester who loves the advisories. The thing to know is that mot standard is very low, so to fail on corrosion it has to be absolutely hanging, ie holed, so to advise it should be bad, surface corrosion will never warrant an advisory.
Advisory free is impossible when I've had 3 year old cars with advisories for "sill covers fitted" when they come from the factory with sill covers fitted... It's an advisory anyway, ignored by most.
@@kaptinkeiff that’s surprising, I thought they’d be allowed to remove obstructions. Sills are pretty important to the overall structure of the car. Not allowing them to remove plastic covers seems a little short sighted
Begs the question that if you take off your subframes on a 10yr plus car & have them powder coated professionally, would the testers make reference to them as an advisory ? James, I cannot see anything wrong with that mini, I would change to another garage.
Might be an idea to look for another mot station bud, it'll kill your cars if they're getting advisories like that, everbodys an mot history geek these days. Personally I look round the cars in the forest place and do the jobs, it's usually St thru then with few advisories, I think been in a rush to drop them St off at your test garage with an open checkbook sort of thing, then getting advisory isn't the way to go, on that mini 15 mins with a brush and some gloss black would have sorted it.
(I believe that there is something in the pipeline from the european union ( and I would suggest from the WEF) about scrapping cars greater than 15 years old which they deem unfit for repair. Hence in a slow, step by step approach, you are seeing the introduction on the MOTs of rust of the subframe. So, by chipping away at both ends (new cars/old cars) you will see the end of petrol and diesel cars.
Surley if a car is already coated underneath the car, how can it be an advisory on a MOT for surface corrosion? There will be nothing to see! Maybe start to do this Chops to continue wth no advisory MOT's?
I'm on mobile so can't find the specific text. But they can give an advisory on painted/treated/coated bits with an advisory to that effect. Not for corrosion of such, just that it couldn't be inspected for corrosion. Similar to the undertray advisory I get every year.
Fiat 500's are a nightmare for corrosion after only a few year's. Especially the exhaust outer skin. My Mini (60 plate) just passed its mot without corrosion being mentioned. I think it still depends on the mot tester?
You carry preventative maintenance and paint your subframe yet they can still advice on surface rust..... Despite the surface rust no longer be visible. So they are guessing it has surface rust
Great video and content. I hope you sell the Discovery, I am sure High Peak Autos would love to buy it, or maybe if AutoAlex is after a camera car. ♥🤣You got some great stock.
I’ve got the same engine that Peugeot 2008 has in my Vauxhall Grandland x, I’m impressed with the power, especially in a car of the size of the Grandland x
Once an mot centre knows you sell cars they become very picky as they know that's when the vosa complaints come in, nobody going to complain about their own car but when they've just bought one with a fresh test it's got to be a new car.
@@ChopsGarage yes bud, I've used every local garage and it's always the same, OK at first but after a few they basically don't want the risk of mot complaints, the one I use now I tell them I'll sort out any problems or refund without question, had one the other week, small crack in screen in the corner, mot station missed it due to rain, next thing it's why hasn't this been advised it's has since 2017, eleven hundred quid car I might add, tbh customer had me by the bol**cks, I insisted he brings it back for a full refund, I wasn't going to fit a 500 quid screen, can you imagine the trouble with vosa on an 07 plate car? Anyway sold it next day to someone less fussy, on these subframes I'd wire brush and a quick coat of gloss black it looks more factory, mot stations don't like shutz.
@@roystonvehicles9129 guy rocks up in new Rangie spending admits spends £1500 month on lease. Looking arlt £3795 Kia Rio with 98k for daughter. What can we do about wearing on gear knob, the marks on steering wheel,can we get the light scratches out body, air cons not cold ...... Then what can you do on price 🫣
@@ChopsGarage I know bud, I dropped a 08 punto off the other day 60k,1295,got there and he'd got a 24 plate jag, I knew I was in trouble in my working clothes with mucky knees ha, ha.
Its a old car so you are going to get rust on it just clean it up and paint it end of the day the bloke who one it is very happy with it thats all wat matters but im not in to bmw mini myself the other raffle you said is my type of car im going to find that channel
James I’d trade out the Disco as JLR won’t even insure there own vehicles and large insurance companies also won’t insure and if they do it so high people can’t afford it also the new TAX brackets for RFL
Playing devil's advocate, have you seen some of the subframes failing on cars from anything from 4 years old? Some are absolute chocolate, like the old mercs that self destruct.
James… shame on you, tight wad! Happy wife happy life!! She should be driving that beautiful disco! How many toys are in that garage with your name on??? Firebird… MG’s, morris Ital… I think I made that last one up 😂😂
That 1.2 in the Peugeot I have the same engine in my 2021 Citroen C4 but the 155BHP with the 8 speed Auto and it flies. Before that I had the 110 version in my 19 Cactus 6 speed auto and that was nippy too.
What a ridiculous state of affairs. Show me a car more than a few years old from this climate without any corrosion. Other parts will die on that car before it rots away.
Subframe rust? Wouldn’t it make sense to wire brush & paint before MOT? 🤔 Of course cars this age are going to have surface rust. The MOT system is becoming as woke as the rest of the UK 🤦🏻♂️😂🤣
