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Did Joe McCarthy have a point? - with Todd Gitlin (1997) | THINK TANK

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Original air date: January 2, 1997
Senator Joseph McCarthy conducted investigations about spies in American society and our government. He had many supporters and adversaries. But was McCarthy onto something?
Host:
Ben Wattenberg - senior fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Panelists:
Todd Gitlin - New York University
Ellen Schrecker - professor at Yeshiva University, author of No Ivory Tower
M. Stanton Evans - director of the National Journalism Center and author of The Theme Is Freedom
Richard Gid Power - professor of history at the City University of New York
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@andrewvanhalen1984 2 года назад

McCarthy's biggest mistake was not going hard enough.

@doubletappinhillbilly Год назад

👍!

@gilsonpassos1047 2 года назад

Just saying, McCarthy was right all along, mfer was like a prophet.

@juanmccoy3066 6 месяцев назад

Not a prophet. Just honest and willing to look around and point things out as they were. The problem was he was wrong about one thing. He thought this stuff was just happening. It had already happened about 20, 30 years before he he even became a senator. That was his downfall. Ppl were willing to listen but when he wanted to dig into the army they repudiated him. The communists used patriotism against him then ditched it when they had no use for it.

@harambae117 2 года назад

It scares me how on point McCarthy was in hindsight

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

Yeah, let’s go violate people’s freedom of political expression, based on names written on a handkerchief. Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Maybe we should dunk them in a frozen lake until they admit that they read the manifesto once in college?

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@Johan Liebert the guy was still a monster. It’s not a crime and it’s not un-American to be a communist. Some of the greatest Americans were Socialists, Anarchists, and communists. People who stood up for what they believed in and by doing so, made the standard of living better for people in the United States than any other country on earth at the time. The 40 hour work week, the minimum wage, minimum food standards, social security, and unemployment insurance, all of these things were pioneered by socialist thinkers and pushed to the forefront of American thought through direct action. Un-American my @$$. What makes this country great is that we have plurality of thought and there is no thought police. What McCarthy was doing was trying to criminalize some kinds of thought while normalizing others. Communists are protected by the first amendment, the same as any other religion or political organization. What McCarthy was doing was fundamentally unconstitutional, therefore Un-American.

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@Johan Liebert which is in conflict with the first amendment. I can’t help it if a group of judges don’t have the wherewithal to be able to read and accurately interpret it correctly. An argument based on authority is not a substantial argument. Either I have the right to express how I feel about our political and economic institutions, or I don’t. I wish SCOTUS would make up their mind on that. The original strike for the eight hour work day was held in Chicago in 1886, the Jungle was written by Upton Sinclair in 1905. Social Democrats stole all of their ideas from actual socialists and rebranded them as reformist instead of revolutionary.

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@Johan Liebert the 150,000,000 death toll is a massive exaggeration even by the black book standards. The writers of the black book stretched the numbers up to 100,000,000 but most of the authors denounce even the 100,000,000 number because it’s historically inaccurate. They had to exaggerate the numbers in ways that were academically dishonest like including deaths from natural disasters, counting lower birth rates as casualties, counting people who were deported but didn’t die. They counted people who died in civil wars. They counted all sorts of ridiculous numbers because they weren’t writing history, they were writing anti-communist propaganda. They didn’t think anyone would check their findings and confirm they were true. The funny part about it, is they could have easily written a book that was critical of socialist countries and was true. They chose not to do that. They chose to have an insane death count contest, which makes them look like dishonest fools when people realize they weren’t counting correctly to begin with. There are plenty of honest, factually accurate criticisms you can make about the state of socialist countries today, the problem is that the death count argument isn’t one of them. All countries have death counts, all countries are repressive, all current economic systems are exploitative. The key is to point out how those malignancies can be treated and what is their root cause and do our best to cure them in a way that’s equally respectful to all people.

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@Johan Liebert I never said there weren’t problems with socialist countries. There is a body count, it’s just no where close to 150,000,000. Then if we really compared it other countries or other systems using the same criteria and loose statistical qualifications, I could make any developed nation on earth look worse than communism. If the United States started counting everyone we ever deported or incarcerated as a death statistic, it would make us look really bad, and the truth would be that the majority of people who are deported or incarcerated don’t die as a direct result of that action. As I said, there are plenty of bad things that you can say about existing socialist nations, the death-count argument just doesn’t work because the methods that they used to reach their conclusions were faulty and dishonest. If a genocide was happening or did happen, I would want to know about it, but natural disasters and other non intentional acts don’t qualify as genocides.

@southafricanizationofsociety20 4 года назад

Yes. The Venona Papers vindicated him.

@leifleoden5464 3 года назад

Tell me more about these Venona Papers?

@cheesemccheese5780 2 года назад

@@leifleoden5464 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project#Results That's the wiki for it.

@dylanjohnson8891 2 года назад

@@leifleoden5464 Essentially, it was a document which showed that many many of the claims that McCarthy made about people being Communist informants were true. For example, it proves with near certainty that figures such as Solomon Adler (official in the Treasury Department), Cedric Belfrage (official in the British military after WWII), and T.A. Bisson (political journalist and author) were Soviet sympathizers or spies. The Venona Papers also prove the guilt of Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs.

@tedphillips3119 2 года назад

I spent 12 years in public schools listening to proud communist tell me about the crazy man who said communists were trying to take over the school. I remember being extremely confused.

@marklechman2225 2 года назад

Someone once wrote that the greatest trick the Devil ever played on humanity was convincing them that he does not exist.

@cormaclevinthal3496 4 года назад

Short Answer: YES

@humble2246 4 года назад

Very very very yes

@southafricanizationofsociety20 4 года назад

Yes. Venona Papers.

@jesuschristislord7754 3 года назад

Long answer: oy vey

@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 года назад

DEFINITELY YES

@trajanoptimus7198 2 года назад

Yes

@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 года назад

He called a great many of their bluffs, and they smeared and feared him for it.

@wuffiousmaximus4808 3 года назад

Yep. We should’ve listened.

@Danis8Pastry 3 года назад

History doesn't repeat itself - but it rhymes...

@kipo1456 2 года назад

I strongly suspect it will rhyme again around 2025.

@oaa-ff8zj 3 года назад

American dissent: some guys get fired Soviet dissent punishment: labour camps

@oaa-ff8zj 2 года назад

@CelticGermanicFinnicSoutherneric I don’t disagree with you. Just saying these whiny 90s progressives overhype McCarthy

@Youtuber-xs9cp Год назад

Totally regime do step at time. Like military Dictatorship of Egypt in 1950. They started by firing people and ended with firing at people and torture. If Woke Communist get away with one thing they quickly escalate to the next. The philosophy is based on paranoia that is way they make strong nation with any freedom.. like Soviets , China. North Korea.

@Individual_Lives_Matter Год назад

The ideological subversion was the far worse danger than simple espionage.

@Drumsgoon 4 года назад

'both sides were bad' - yawwwwwnnn

@VedicDesi 2 года назад

We need a Joseph McCarthy type today.

@davismavis2834 2 года назад

The fact that we lost him so long ago shows just how screwed we have been and for how long

@makalo Год назад

trump

@mSantsnj Год назад

I’ll try 🥂

@henryr.santos2197 Год назад

McCarthy was 1000% right

@williamsteele8891 2 года назад

And look at events today.

@neilhess2518 Год назад

If only these folks could have seen 2023.

@juanmccoy3066 6 месяцев назад

They wouldn't believe it. I'm not even talking about culture shock or technological advancement. Like let's say u cab convince them ur a time traveller and they believe u 100%. If u told them the truth about what our world looks like now and even show them they wouldn't believe it. The American family destroyed. Young Men can't afford homes. Young people aren't getting married. Some of them refuse to work. A drug they never heard of killing more Americans than some of the wars they knew of back then. Abortion being promoted as a human right and embraced by mainstream society. Hollywood and the media pushing communism and people gobbling it up and not believing it's communism. You would essentially tell them, ur right. Ur right about everything and this is where we are at now. And they wouldn't believe it. They were right tho. All those black and white videos showing what communism would bring to America. 100% right. They laugh and say oh how dumb and ridiculous they were. But we look at it like holy shit how did they know? Why is there this split? Because the communist looks around in the decade of the 2020s and says "this is great. We're almost there. Just a little more" We look around and are horrified. Because they measure success differently. People dying? Good, from their pov that's success. It's "their" children that are dying, right? If the people they label as fascists are having a bad time then by definition they are succeeding. And look at what they have. They all have welfare and diversity university jobs. Big salaries and social hierarchy with their college degrees and their books. U lost ur job? Ur kids live at home? Ur son overdose on fentanyl? Ur wife cheats on u with a black lover she met on social media? Ur daughter sells herself on only fans and escort sites? That's progress. They want to destroy you and everything and everyone you love. It's a good thing for them. So ur damn right they celebrate. They want u completely gone. And their winning. Ur grandkids will have significantly less than you, unless u somehow acquiesce to their demands and kiss the ring. Then they might let you continue on and maybe even gain more wealth. But it's going to be at the cost of your values and principles. Everything you believe in. And come with the sacrifices of others around you.

@coletrain6545 Год назад

Hell yea he did! Cant think of a man more vindicated i

@zephrynk9693 Год назад

Finally, a comment section by posters who understand the real McCarthy. Bravo.

@AppalachianMurican 2 года назад

This man so on target even then..history has proven him correct clear ure eyes and take an honest look around

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

What? I thought even the loony tunes had forsaken this guy?

@AppalachianMurican 2 года назад

@@raqueljacobs1542 facts are facts even if the villiage idiot states them

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@@AppalachianMurican what did he get correct? The guy would probably fail a intro to poli-sci class!! It always bothers me when people use McCarthy’s arguments because they hinge on misrepresenting the opposition. I doubt that any anti-communist could ever explain concepts like parallel power structures or even the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. It’s difficult to sound like you understand what you’re talking about when you haven’t done the research. Please just go get an intro to Marxism book so you understand why you don’t like it!! Please!!

@AppalachianMurican 2 года назад

It ain't worth it

@raqueljacobs1542 2 года назад

@@AppalachianMurican I understand McCarthy’s arguments. I think he’s wrong, but I understand his arguments. The fact that he misrepresents the opposition as part of his shtick means that he probably isn’t comfortable making good faith arguments. If you don’t feel comfortable making a good faith argument on a subject, then you should probably keep your thoughts to yourself. Ronald Reagan was the same way, he would make comments about socialism that would make other people in the room feel embarrassed for him, because he didn’t know enough about the subject he was talking about to sound thoughtful in the words he said. He once said, “ A communist reads Marx and Lenin, an anti-communist understands Marx and Lenin” he never stopped to realize that it was impossible to understand something before you read it. He was proudly declaring his ignorance on a subject while claiming to be authoritative in the same sentence. That’s like saying” I know everything about astrophysics but I’ve never taken calculus”

@Interlocutor67 2 года назад

4/5 Kosher panel.

@TowGunner 10 месяцев назад

McCarthy was a hero!

@juanmccoy3066 6 месяцев назад

Too bad we cant go back in time and show him marcuse and the frankfurt school. Explain the consequences of John Moneys "research" Sigh....

@antoniod 3 месяца назад

My Brother argues "So what! There were Nazis in the Government in the 50s!".

@AppalachianMurican 2 года назад

Hmmm I'm suspect already of this panel but I will reserve judgment til the end

@SamieMac1 Год назад

The parallels between the McCarthy era and today are staggering. The most significant difference I see is the all out communists & socialists e.g.AOC, Sanders, Waters, etc, having influential roles in government but nobody standing in the roll of McCarthy.

@GameFap Год назад

This woman is nutty and a pain to listen to.

@AppalachianMurican 2 года назад

It's the ideology not who they work for

@cf2752 Год назад

Yes he got

@michaelvanzalingen2683 Год назад

No he did not.

@CDA_Play 2 года назад

🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍sometimes time loops, cycle... Ideology of Mandate must leave home of Liberty, brave, free.... ✌🌐✌🌐✌🌐✌🌐✌🌐✌🌐✌🌐✌

@wickuswoss7257 4 года назад

Communism for America

@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 года назад

No.

@wickuswoss7257 2 года назад

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 yes

@moviestarmemories630 2 года назад

@@wickuswoss7257 Cold dead hands if ya know what that means, that is what it will take.Commies are murderers, so everyone knows what they're getting into here.Liberal simps will roll over, but not everyone will.No one I know wants " You'll own nothing and be happy".