From the outside looking in, my first impression was that Mclaren used the undercut to get Lando back in front then got cold feet from the immediate social media backlash. The team radio makes it clear they had another 'plan', but it was executed in a way that emotionally shafted both their drivers. No wonder Oscar was a little subdued. A well-deserved 1-2, though, despite the strategic snafu.
For a guy ( Lando) who constantly promotes mental health issues, Mclaren played on Landos emotion, guilt tripped and fed him BS . Come on Mclaren you're better than that. Congrats to Oscar, and well done for Lando rightly questioning, but ultimately doing the right thing.
I think that Lando should have followed the team order ASAP and then raced Oscar the rest of the way. The way he ended up doing it, guaranteed that he'd lose the race. I think the team just wanted to re-establish the running order from before their bad strategy call.
I think the thing with the multi-21 comparison is that Mark had already proven that given the chance to help Seb not only would not take but would actively impede him back in Brazil the year before. So Seb didn’t need to worry about fucking up that relationship because it was already fucked and it’s just not the same with Lando and Oscar. Cause with Lando and Oscar it’s fucking over the one guy who’s had your back so far
Did everyone else miss the McLaren instruction to Lando of: > You're clear to fight until lap 45 Because it seems like a lot of this had been covered in the morning briefings given comments on the radio. But also: He got overtaken at the start. Never caught up. Was told he had until lap 45. Never caught up. Got given a gift pit strategy *with the caveat that he'd hand the position back*. And then complains that he has to give the position back. How the fuck did Lando think it was going to play out?
Are we really just going to skip the cool down room conversation between Lewis and Lando? Lando acting like a upset toddler talking to lewis like he's even in the same conversation as far as accomplishments? Or lewish being soft af for letting him disrespect him like that?
Imo the pit to cover Hamilton and give Lando the lead would've been genius, if they had meant it that way. But it was just a coincidence. And they might not have NEEDED to cover Lewis, but if they got undercut by him 2 races in a row it would have looked awful & possibly cost them points. They should've saved the IOUs for Oscar for another time. They had a chance to make ground on the constructors and the drivers. They threw 7 points over Max away. Lando is their #1, he's a vet at the peak of his powers & he's the only one with a mathematically realistic shot at Max. They can say what they want about, "You'll need more later than you'll get now." But guess what? You and Lando need every point you can get every single race. As for Lando, he probably woulda blew by Oscar if he just gave the place back sooner. He had like 22 laps to give it back and then pass him fairly.
11:10 yeah it was at Suzuka in 1990. Senna got pole and tried to protest that the starting spot on the grid was disadvantageous. His protest was denied, Prost (starting 2nd) got the better start and Senna crashed them out, securing his championship and spawning the quote (and mentality): “If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver”
No. Senna protested after Jean-Marie Balestre changed pole to the other side AFTER qualifying because Prost was French and a buddy. Senna was right to be p!ssed.
The analogy of Checo as the friend that you keep bringing around that gets too drunk, throws up, and clogs the toilet was perfect. We all know that guy. "I promise he's a good hang!" "Well obviously not, Christian! This is the third week in a row that he's got into a fight with the bouncer at the door and ended up in jail!!"
34:30 I'm not a Lando fan. But Lando had pole & Oscar should have helped block Max in T1 to prevent overtaking Lando ("team work" starts here). Lando had a cleaner race than Oscar. And Lando is still in the running for the championship (regardless of the likelihood). Between the start & Mclaren allowing the undercut shows that this was poor strategy (nothing to do with the drivers). I feel bad for both lads.
Wtf? How can oscar help lando if lando launches his card towards oscar’s side of the track and leaves the space for Max to try to overtake him? How can Lando have a better race if he never took his pole position back on track? People like you don’t even know how to drive i think.. 😂😂😂
That is my point. Mclaren should have discussed strategy before the race & not allow the drivers to "figure it out". No need to be insulting. I've been watch F1 for decades, take emotions out of it.
oscar doesnt go crazy on the radio but he does celebrate his wins. if you look at his f3 and f2 highlights, especially when he clinched the f3 championship at the last race by just a handful of points (where he overtook the car ahead of him literally just as they crossed the line). and multi 21 wasnt as spicy in terms of team orders (i think the “fernando is faster than you” to massa is spicer) it was simply telling the two to hold position. malaysia was the second round and so much was still to play for. seb had pole and was leading, he just went on the wrong tires at the wrong time. multi 21 felt like it was punishing seb for the wrong strategy while hungary felt like it was awarding lando for losing it at the first turn
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McLaren absolutely did not make the right move. You should always try to maximize the points of your driver who has the best chance of winning a driver's championship, and Norris does have a chance of winning the championship (however slim it may be). McLaren turned this race into a farce. This has to be the first time a team has ever deliberately ordered a driver who is in second place in the championship (but first on the team), to give up first place, before the other driver is even anywhere near close enough to make a potential passing attempt. They just damaged their relationship with their #1 driver, damaged their brand image, damaged F1's brand image as a whole, damaged Norris's brand image, and damaged their chances of winning the driver's championship. And why exactly? To re-establish the "fair" order between their drivers which Piastri supposedly deserved? Why did they call Norris in first in the first place? To cover Lewis? Really? They didn't need to be risking putting both of their drivers in an uncomfortable position just to cover Lewis who wasn't going to effing catch them anyway. They later said that they were also worried about being in a strategically worse position if there was a yellow flag... really? Was it really going to make that much of a difference even if there was a yellow flag which allowed Lewis or Max to get closer? How is THAT more important than just maintaining a bigger gap between both of their drivers and the nearest drivers behind them. Telling the driver in first place to slow down and drop BEHIND their P2 driver meant allowing Lewis and Max to get closer to P2, so if they really were worried about Lewis (or Max) seriously challenging for P2, then letting Lando stay way out in front, rather than dropping back BEHIND Piastri, would have been the best way to protect both positions from the risk of Lewis or Max challenging for P2, and also put Lewis and Max much closer to P1 as well. They signaled to Lando that they have already given up on winning the driver's championship, and that they don't see him as the clear #1 driver on their team. It's far more understandable to ask a driver to give up a place if it's to IMPROVE the chances of winning the driver's championship for their driver who has the most points, especially if that driver is more experienced and widely considered to be the better of the two (which Lando is), but this is the opposite of that, and definitely looks incompetent and overly stubborn on their part. Since when is F1 about letting drivers take turns getting wins? This isn't a soccer team for 10 year olds where you let different kids try being striker, or goalkeeper, even if they're not the best on the team at it. This is top-tier professional motorsport, and it can take decades to get a team to the point where it even has a CHANCE of winning a driver's championship, and McLaren just threw driver championship points away for no good reason.
Lando gave the pit wall a HUGE middle finger. He made a point that they need to stop fumbling strategy and fix their shit cuz he’s fed up. Once WJ acknowledged what Lando was doing then Lando gave Oscar the win. In making his point he fucked Osc a little bit but he took an arm instead of his head.
if you have team orders.. its always to favour the guy higher in the championship...the pit wall dropped the ball (again) they've cost Lando at least 2 wins already... they are letting Vertappen off the hook they are letting red bull off the hook.
McLaren had enough gap to double stack both drivers. There was 2 seconds between 1-2 and 6 seconds to Hamilton. There was 20 laps left in the race when Lando was given the lead. That’s over 1/4 of the race…..
Yeah that would be sad but the price money depends on the constructors championship. And there its irrelevant if Lando or Oscar won. So they did the team-order to keep the trust in the team (between drivers, strategist etc.)
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Max is like Bruce Banner, "I'm angry all the time." Today he just let it peek out. Now if he ever got patience? Totally agree- everyone else would be screwed.
Obviously Red Bull is having some internal adjustments to make, they are not used to not being at the top in particular with their cars. Verstappen is so used to winning easily he is getting frustrated and making some what I would call poor decisions on his part. IMO. Then they have Perez who is not performing to expectation in one of the best cars on the grid. Should be an entertaining rest of the season.
Lewis was 2nd in q1 and was almost knocked out in q2. George had a poor lap that compromised his position but he was only fueled for one lap at the end of q1 when the grip was getting better.
What Lando should have done in hindsight is let Oscar through immediately, then pressure him for the remainder of the Grand Prix, showing McLaren he is faster and so forcing them to let the faster car through.
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George accepted his part of the responsibility (should have gotten a better lap in earlier). But also asked why they didn’t have enough fuel bc the track was at its best at the end. Also, George “fumbling the bag”? He had a mechanical dnf at Silverstone but he had pole. It’s not like he fucked it up 🙄.
As a Max fan, this Oscar win was complete BS. If Norris had some more Max vibe he would never give the position back. This is the worst way to get your first win.
I was a no way in hell Max leaves RB but the more the season goes on and stuff comes out and RB not moving drivers around I think a Max to Merc move is possible.
Go look at a photo of their tires at the end of the race. Lando’s looked perfectly fine and Oscar’s were trashed. I call BULLSHIT on the engineers being worried about tire deg on “both cars.” Terrible strategy management once again at McLaren. 😒
No one needs to say Lando had the right to take the spot and this and that. I don’t care who it is, he should’ve had the front from the start. Lando himself said that he fumbled the start and that’s that
1. Lando should’ve had a better start 2. McLaren should’ve pit Piastri first 3. McLaren shouldn’t have guilt tripped Lando 4. Lando should not have given the position back he didn’t owe them anything and now he’s gonna continue to be seen as weak. It’s McLaren’s fault and they should own it
You’re upset because he made Oscar’s win smaller. It was over when there were 10 laps to go no one was going to win. Also Oscar could have passed lando on track. Alonso would have. Alonso also would have known where his social capital was - he would have said ok I’ll pass him on track later? - he would have known the situation and Stella was his strategist he would have known too.
Lando wouldn’t survive redbull but max would survive anywhere. The teams may not survive him. He’s like Alonso. I love it. Facts no feelings or at least feelings based on facts. Love or hate Alonso, he’s a library of random statistics. Your wtf interview with him and Tony and Ruben’s is prime. There’s no need to justify criticism. Charles is the first to admit he didn’t do well in this specific area. Landos comments and self critic are so vague technically and yet I’m consistently aware of his mental wellbeing. Enough. Drive to survive happy thanksgiving.
I understand asking your drivers to save tyres if your already that far in front. The only thing that could have stopped the 1-2 would have been a red or yellow flag. you would need decent tyres
You should always try to maximize the points of your driver who has the best chance of winning a driver's championship, and Norris does have a chance of winning the championship still, however slim it may be. McLaren turned this race into a farce. This has to be the first time a team has ever deliberately ordered their top-placed driver in the championship over half-way through the season to give up first place, before the other driver is even anywhere near close enough to make a potential passing attempt. They just damaged their relationship with their #1 driver, damaged their brand image, damaged F1's brand image as a whole, damaged Norris's brand image, and damaged their chances of winning the driver's championship. And why exactly? To re-establish the "fair" order between their drivers which Piastri supposedly deserved? Why did they call Norris in first in the first place? To cover Lewis? Really? They didn't need to be risking putting both of their drivers in an uncomfortable position just to cover Lewis who wasn't going to effing catch them anyway. They later said that they were also worried about being in a strategically worse position if there was a yellow flag... really? Telling the driver in first place to slow down was also allowing Lewis and Max to get closer to over-taking one or even both of them. They signaled to Lando that they have already given up on winning the driver's championship, and that they don't see him as the clear #1 driver, and they've tarnished their brand image, and have even tarnished F1's brand image. This is definitely not good for F1. It's far more understandable to ask a driver to give up a place if it's to IMPROVE the chances of winning the driver's championship for the driver who is closest to P1 in the driver's standings, especially if that driver is more experienced and considered to be better (which Lando is), but this is the opposite of that, and definitely looks worse.
@@syncmonism yes, I agree with you, and above all it made Oscar's first win look kinda off, which is sad. And the weirdest thing is that, traditionally, McLaren would just "let them race". But besides this team stuff, which is many times disappointing for those who want to watch a fierce race, Norris was SO divided in his mind. And to be fair, any of his decisions would be the right one. I'd totally understand if he'd just push and win. A world champion mentality is looking for that. ALWAYS. For now I think he is missing that aggressive and confident attitude. On Senna's homage there was this video of Lando talking about Senna and he said that if he had a chance he would ask Senna if he cared what other people thought. And I can picture Senna answering: While racing? No, I didn't!
I like Piastri but he didnt win his first 2:21 GP and he shouldnt be celebrating. The team gave it to him instead eating thei shit they made. Its not a win untill Piastri does it on his own merrit.
Lando lost P1 at the start. Lando never caught up in the first stint. Lando was told he could race until lap 45. Lando never caught up. And then the team gave him the undercut to protect him from Lewis - with the understanding that the prior positions would be respected. How would Lando have won on his merits there?
It’s so simple… had Norris heard the team, and gave the position back when the gap was only 2 seconds, instead of pushing the tires during 10 laps and opening a gap of 6 seconds, just to give the position back and have no tires left to fight Piastri, he might’ve won… McLaren didn’t do anything wrong, they covered Hamilton and that was it. Norris made the wrong decision, and the only one to blame is himself.
