Did Mother Frame Her Daughter for Homicide? | Debbie Collier Case Analysis 

I believe self-immolation is very rare in suicides

It's also suspicious that she was found holding a small tree. It doesn't make sense that she would be able to keep her grip on that while being burned alive. Her daughter not immediately contacting authorities when she couldn't contact her mother after that disturbing text, exaggerated about the truck driver and the conflict her mother had with him and smirking in an interview as she gloated that she told the people in her life who suspected her in her mother's death would be apologising to her has me strongly suspecting that Debbie's death is not a suicide.

Agree... 👍

She purchased the equipment herself for 'the deed'.

Debbie dressed very modestly. Son said she never wore shorts. She wouldn't want to be found naked or even half naked

Yes, that's exactly what that message was supposed to read. In the context of the conversation, it becomes clear that's what the message actually meant, which changes the case completely.

Has merit. Yes perhaps tears blinding her too? Poor lady.

Holy shit 🫨 That makes so much sense! When I heard she bought paper towels I immediately knew she was going to use them to help ignite the fire that would ultimately kill her. I do believe she was plotting suicide and your theory is honestly the best I've heard.

However... her daughter could have been with Debbie, and used her Mom's phone to both send herself the money, and the text message. But, I can't quite explain how the daughter could have coaxed her Mom into the store to buy those odd items. Any further thoughts?

@@thesongbird2383 you can’t explain it, because it didn’t happen. Occam’s Razor - the simplest explanation is usually correct. The daughter wasn’t with her mother.

It was apparently another house that she and / or her husband owned, not where they lived.

Sounds SUPER bias. Pass.

@o.p.driftwood5484 Either way, it is an interesting watch, IMO

Hello from Oregon! You’re up late!

Hello from Colorado! I should've been asleep an hour ago!!

Hello from cold California

Glad you’re still here and I hope you’re doing better now ❤️

Good to know you didn’t go thru with it ❤

It's misinformed & demeaning to assume that bc someone uses a Dr prescribed opioid, that it's a "habit". Ever heard of those living with chronic pain conditions? Some ppl have to take pain medication every day of their lives and still live with limiting circumstances, broken dreams, & physical agony you can only imagine- plus despite being unable to work, on top of all that, those ones in the USA get to live in poverty as well . Such ppl are brave survivors and do nothing deserve to be referred to as drug addicts.

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 Your comment made me cry. I know this case is about Debbie...but for one time hearing someone speak about chronic pain the way you did hits it better than I've heard it put before. It is a barely understood beast. You are extremely insightful.

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 listen, 1. It was just an alliteration, not to be taken seriously. 2, I'm IN RECOVERY ALSO, for heroin!!! so take your own advice and maybe stop with the self righteous attitude when you know NOTHING about me or anyone else posting here. 3 get a life and then GO LIVE IT!!! 4 Try on some compassion you may find it enlightening. 5 Have a great day! ✌

@@darkcrystalmagik3369 also, NOWHERE did I call anyone an addict but myself. Are you speaking from experience? Doesnt sound like it. Also, I live WAAAAY below the poverty line. Again, maybe stop with the accusatory tone and perhaps post positive points pertinent to someone's situation. (That was another alliteration just for you) look the definition up as you seemingly don't know what they are. Again, have a great day.✌

I can’t imagine but my husband is always in pain which started before he turned 30. Whenever my back hurts I think about how grateful I am to not experience chronic pain like he does!

I agree. I'm not so certain, even AFTER Dr. Grande's breakdown, that Debbie killed herself. Especially in such a HORRIFICALLY PAINFUL way! I'd always been led to believe that women did t usually choose ways to die that would disfigure them...ever conscious of the fact that family would want to view their bodies at a funeral, yes? That's why MOST women don't shoot themselves in the head. Debbie was a rather good looking woman and I find it very difficult to believe that she would set herself on FIRE in order to kill herself...I don't know. That's awfully hard to swallow...

I am not believing her death was suicide either. It's just too messed up. Burning to death is not what anyone chooses to off themselves.

Self immolation isn't an uncommon event.

@@gabriellenojaim261 I agree

@@wizzardofpaws2420 that's exactly how I feel!

Absolutely

Yes, is there evidence from anyone else - particularly her doctor - to back this up?

@@mariangrove5292 haven’t heard of any. Coincidental huh?;)

Right

She may be the only one not in denial though , that is the thing. We really don't know.

Wow 😱

Very famous case here in Canada.

The world is a terrible place

@@HeatherHolt it is . I bought a car last night , long story short it was a complete scam … almost . Spent 5 hours at court house today with someone in the titles / auditor dept , and by the grace of God there was 12 windows open and window 12 was my window to go to and she said if anybody else would’ve gotten me I would’ve lost out on my $2400 and there was nothing that I could’ve done about it, but she was a manager there, and she happen to know the guy that actually had originally owned the vehicle, and she worked diligently all day on it. I was literally shaking in so distressed the whole time. I just don’t know why people can’t be compassionate and kind and decent and honest. What is it in the human brain that switches or shuts down that makes people not capable of doing the right thing. And I know this is nothing even close to what murder is, but it was a very dirty thing that was done and Dr. grande is the best!!He is my number one go to and when I moved from Texas back home to South Dakota he was on my entire playlist on the way home.😊❤️💯✅

That was my thought.

Sure seems possible, and I'd imagine being viewed as a coward who gave up could be the incentive

I think she tried to make it look like homicide, so family could get life insurance

@@Catlily5 my thought exactly. She was ashamed. OR-she may have also had a life insurance and knew her family couldn’t receive it if she committed suicide so she tried to make it look like a homicide.

@@M_Samp I agree but I don't think you get life insurance payments for murder. It would give people a reason to kill their family member.

How terrible for you. I'm glad you're better now. God bless.

Wow! The side effects seem more common. It could of added to her stress but sadly she didn’t leave anything behind.

Thank you for sharing. I have similar experience. After 3,days I was hearing weird noises. Freaked me out, stopped taking and those weird feeling left. After all the years of medical research I'd have hoped medicine would have perfected pain relief that does not drive people nuts! Good luck moving forwards🙏

Wow that’s very possible, she was having a side effects from the medication.

God bless Physical Therapists!

Omg, this comment made me bust out laughing! True!

🤣🤣🤣 I swear my first thought when I saw that was "she's a CATFISH!!"

Your comment made me laugh so hard!! 😂😂😂

Same here! Nothing makes sense.

Smashing your phone fits perfectly with the paranoid theory though. I've done that myself. Chic fil a is really neither here nor there. It's just food.

Have you tried kratom? I make a tea from it for my chronic pain. Works better than any meds I was given.

@@deedsterdoo1603 never heard of Kratom. I injured my back thinking I could help my Dad clean the new built in pool in 1989. I lifted up the hose, and something pop along my back on the left side. It was so loud my Dad, who was standing on the south side of the pool heard the pop. I ended up missing seven days of work. My parents who were in their late 60s had to help me get around. This same thing which pop then, had popped out again.

@@elizabethwarman9028 Ouch! I'm sorry you're suffering so much. Pain is both mentally and physically taxing. I mentioned kratom because it's change my life. I no longer deal with a rheumatologist or chiropractor. If you do look into it, please only buy from safe vendors listed on the American Kratom Associations website. Sending peace and healing to you.

@@deedsterdoo1603 I don't go to the first doctor you mentioned nor a Chiropractor. I see a pain specialist. He gives me I believe steroids shots every three months. Plus, I get PT about every six months. I think my problem is I have been for over a year sleeping on the sofa in the living room. I have a perfectly good bed in my bedroom. I have a Sleep Numbers Mattress. Why am I in the living room? Because I saw a spider in my room. I have Arachnophobia. So, I am in the living room. Which when you think about it, is a bit stupid. I have a company which sprays, and sets traps for every creepy crawly thing there is. I will look into the tea you mentioned.

Really? Thank you for sharing your experiences. That's awful, I hope the poor woman didn't think she was going crazy and didn't want to tell anybody! many wouldn't think hallucinations with a pain killer but 100% every ones body reacts differently.

I agree. I have wanted to understand the psychology of what might have been happening. 👏

I agree with this request. I would like to hear if Dr. Grande attributes any “blame” (for Murdaugh’s atrocious, murderous behavior) to opioids Murdaugh may have been taking at the time.

@@seaglasscolor opioids are no excuse for murder. You can be the gentlest person in the world and have an addiction. Alex Murdaugh was just a selfish, greedy entitled man. I've been hooked on the trial, and I live in the UK. It baffles belief that this man was able to get away with what he did for so long!

Not sure if you saw or not , he did release it right after this ?

@@kaseysewick1691 yes I saw, thanks. Think he uploaded about a day later. Thought he would probably do an update.

Andrew

Interesting point!

No, they don't strip down usually.

People about to die of hypothermia do that sometimes. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?

That isn't typical of a psychotic break. No. Maybe people feigning...because they don't what true psychosis looks like.

Really?, a woman I was close to took her clothes off before getting into her car to drive herself to where she eventually burned herself to death. I’m still trying to understand why she did it that way when there’re so many less painful ways to go. Her family tells me she had been depressed for a year or so, and had been taking medication prescribed by her regular doctor. Such doctor retired early right after the tragedy happened by the way. The first thing I thought was that the medication could have caused a psychotic episode because I can’t imagine anyone burning themselves if they’re in their right mind.

Remember alisa lamb ? She took all her clothes off before she jumped into that water tank.

Car accident injuries can severely decrease a person's quality of life.

I wonder what her husband thinks of the whole thing? I haven't heard anything that he has said.

I don't understand what the tarp was for either

Yeah, not one of good quality anyway

At gunpoint.all of it

In the video You can see her in the parking lot pull her vehicle over and pause for a moment the exact moment that text was sent. There appears to be no one with her.

There is video and she is alone in the parking lot.

I'm right there with you!

Same. This case haunts me!

I will never believe she didn't do this to herself.

May she had a trip planned with her daughter and then was like well I won’t be going cause I won’t be around but she should go and sent her the money and as to not make her suspect anything was wrong sen”t her a message saying they “her work “wouldn’t let her go”as I’m not give her time off.

She wasn't working that day. She had taken that week off work

@@TiffanyStarr2141 yeah but maybe she was expected to ask for a specific day off and was just like, I asked about that day they won’t let me go. I’m gonna off myself may as well give my daughter the money for this trip we talked about talking.

Or maybe since her and Steve shared a Venmo, it was him saying they were not going to let him leave early. Because I think she was off work for the week. I wonder how long in advance she took the time off, and what her reasoning was for asking for the time off.

Thank you! I caught that, too. Big red flag. The cops and coroner botched this up. Left crime scene open, (didn't tape it off, during the time they said it was a homicide, personal and targeted) for the gas can to magically appear later, when the guilty party saw the staged suicide plan had failed without that one piece.

And naked?

That’s so scary.

@@HeatherHolt yes, I heard voices and thought I could hear bad people plotting bad things through the wall, and I thought that my friends knew I was insane but were sweetly looking after me, discreetly, without me knowing that they knew or were doing it, and they were protecting me from "the men in the white coats". Lasted a few hours. Felt terrified. Couldn't tell anyone : felt shame, panic, loss of control, fear, and that my life was a sham. All that from two weeks of codeine.

I believe so also

There are schools for stuff like that

Definitely one of my favourite channels

@@LivinBilly was this suppose to be sarcasm?

​@@Kindred_37 if you have to ask...

Beggar

And hes also right that the cctv isnt debbie its some imposter ..prob her daughter

Bravo, you did a better job analyzing and describing the potential events that took place in one comment, than the police have done in nearly a year of investigation. I haven't watched the interview, but I bet the ones working this case didn't pay much attention to it either. It's so easy for them to say it's not my problem, but when the shoe is on the other foot guess who turns into a big crybaby, pathetic. On top of the already damming evidence that she did NOT commit suicide, it doesn't make sense to bring a tarp, a rain poncho, paper towels, and then kill yourself on the tarp and leave all the evidence and there, that negates the point of preparing all this stuff to make it look planned. If she was trying to frame her daughter, she would have to cut herself, smear blood all over the paper towels and clothing, fatally wound herself, then roll herself up in a tarp and roll down the hill into the ravine. THATS NUTS, it makes 0 sense to say someone that average planned to commit suicide in the stupidest, most suspicious way possible. Nobody would leave that much evidence of murder on purpose. Its clear that she was not supposed to catch fire and run through the woods leaving a mess everywhere, something went wrong during the murder and her captor or captors fled the scene in a panic. If it was truly intended to play out this way, it would be too risky to hope that the cops wouldn't suspect foul play, but these were not smart criminals. And yet the police don't even suspect murder anymore, what a JOKE. The location is a specific place as well, how did she know there was a logging road there, why would she choose such a dark place to end her life.

I agree.. i also think the person making the purchase was an imposter

I had two suicidal patients set themselves on fire. It happens.

I agree. The fact there was a specific amount of money sent to the daughter only...

It’s true... there is another video somewhere on here of a young woman, mentally ill, who after her death was investigated, was found to have killed herself this way.

Her purse and phone were next to her body as well. I think it was a gruesome way to kill herself.

She bought a lighter and then was found burned. Do the math. She took the opiates to knock her out. Stripped naked so the fire would be more effective. I'm not saying it was a good plan.

I know he CAN… and he apparently WILL, because, here is a video!!