No one is talking about how Alabama beat Auburn on a 4th and 31 at the end of the season!!! So how good is Alabama??? Every game is played differently!! FSU got screwed!!
Absolutely they contradicted themselves. SOS didn't matter for Liberty, but an injury/SOS for FSU did. Then they said SMUs decision wasn't because of an injured QB and then penalized them for their SOS. Then the whole kept winning argument (which they didn't apply to FSU)
Yes they have, but more importantly, they’ve set a precedent. Don’t play elite G5’s out of conference. Don’t play power fives unless they’re bottom dwellers or you need them for the buy games. Make sure your starters don’t get injured and pull them early in blowouts always. Focus on going a perfect 13-0 at all costs. The entire fabric of what the G5 was is dead. This is only going to encourage the fbs to split more because G5’s will be encouraged to avoid the big boys.
You said it before I could. If SMU had scheduled the Citadel instead of Oklahoma, they get the NY6 Bowl. What kind of precedent is that? Is that what they really want. You had that to the fact that they contradicted themselves, and it's crazy. They're going to put whoever they want in there and find a reason to justify it
@@pnut3844ableI could understand someone not liking it. But, I went through the year thinking there was no dominant team like years past. I felt like teams were closer than ever 1-25. I think the problem is the subjectivity for the playoff. When they have 12 teams they will be pushing 2 and 3 loss sec teams over more deserving teams guaranteed . They need to make divisions and have a path to the playoffs with the top 75 or so schools. BCS was better than this committee. Mike Leech called it years ago on the playoff committee. RIP Mike
I blame TV and the greed of college presidents. The two have essentially sold off tradition, rivalry, proximity, student welfare, and the college mission (to educate) for a few magic beans.
@@CollegeUnderdogs it was strange. It was an official tweet minutes before the release not a regular projection. Was honestly really wrong of him to do so and then, as far as I know, not give a reason for his inaccuracy.
It’s not even a “conspiracy theory” at this point: we’re going to a Power 2. Florida State is probably going to use whatever legal avenues and pay as much money as it takes to get into the SEC, along with Clemson and maybe some others. The ACC and Big 12 will be a second tier, and while their winners will get byes in the new playoff, they might end up being single bid conferences. They might get two teams in the event an undefeated team loses the conference championship game, since as far as I know, the conference title game winner gets the auto bid as happens in basketball. The committee’s decision was made to strongly persuade Florida State to leave the ACC, since they’re a strong program, and get them in the superior conference. We’re definitely heading to a split where the SEC and Big Ten teams leave the rest of the conferences and form some type of football-only super conference. On the field in the regular season, however, how compelling will those matchups be? For example, and speaking only for myself, I’d rather watch Arizona vs. Utah rather than Indiana vs. Illinois any day, so this is purely for financial reasons. Maybe this new conference gets arrogant and kicks out less successful programs and poaches some better programs from the remaining conferences; that’s why I say they would be “football only” and may not even bear the name of either of the Big 2. This would be even further in the future, but may well happen. It might even be a promotion-relegation system, but I doubt it for this reason: none of any of this realignment has been done with any consideration for on-field results. The committee just continued on with this precedent by leaving out an undefeated team that was supposed to be in the “cool club” in favor of another one they thought was cooler. I’m not sure what happens to the G5. There might just be a third FBS tier that forms with just them; I wouldn’t mind watching that, but I don’t think the G5 would get a fair TV deal. They would be on ESPN Plus with the FCS, and no one here wants that to happen. Essentially there would be four classifications of Division 1 football, much like a state high school system. I could live with any system that seems fair, but a bunch of people with a bunch of different agendas have different ideas of what “fair” is.
I find the contradiction of the CFP selecting Liberty, an undefeated conference champion, over SMU an obviously much better conference champion. Which is Objective vs Subjective, then contrast that to FSU / Alabama selection, which is the opposite; Subjective vs. Objective. Obviously SEC and their partner in the background ESPN prevailed. The fix is in. Trey, I actually typed this in before you got to your argument. 😬
FSU had 7 sacks, one inperception and a 170 yd rushing against a top ranked rushing defense, it's they also beat Louisville, who is ranked number 14 Texas beat osu 17 ESPN and ABC Can't have a playoff without their darling unbeatable s e c team. That lost once had a fourth and thirty one of losing against auburn. Michigan gets blown out as always so does Washington. That way they get the texas alabama rematch the ratings darling it will be
tell me their not hoping for an Alabama Texas rematch, IMO that's why they left FSU out, also what team out there could lose their top 2 QB. and still finish 13 & 0, like I said this is only my opinion
I said back when the CFP selection committee was created, that the only plausible reason was to make sure the TV partners got the matchups (and drama, all those needless weekly reveals) they craved. Otherwise, why not not just use the coaches poll?
The committee just doesn't care about the G5. They didn't watch the AAC championship game since SEC championship game was on at the same time. They took the intellectually lazy stance and went with the season record (surface level reasoning) instead of actually bothering to truly compare the teams. You could immediately tell this by both the outcome as well as the verbal explanations given in response to the ESPN crew asking questions. Oh well. SMU had a great season. Took care of business on its AAC farewell tour and left no doubt. SMU knows they're the best G5 team and doesn't care if some lazy committee doesn't agree. Now it can ride that momentum in recruiting and the transfer portal into the ACC in 2024. And SMU shouldn't have lost to TCU the way they did. The offense had never been worse in the season, and might have still had some growing pains in September breaking in a new QB. But things sure clicked in the second half of the season. If SMU had taken care of business back then, there'd be no controversy today. And TCU I'm sure could not beat SMU today at season's end. Time to whoop on TCU next season in Dallas!
As a Liberty Alum/Fan I'm super pumped. As an ACC fan I hate what they did to FSU. I would've left Texas out personally. If the ACC does ever break apart this is like a nail in the coffin not the final nail but implying that being from this conference isn't as valuable as the others isn't a good thing.
Kind of a moot point since the expanded playoff is coming. I don’t know that considerations like record and SOS can be objectively weighted. The argument for FSU being undefeated against a softer schedule is a glorified version of the Boise State/UCF situation. At the same time, FSU did all that be expected to play a tough slate. Not their fault that LSU, UF, and Clemson all had down years.
Not a moot point at all. Don't think they can't screw it up even in a 12 team field, based on this precedent, what's to stop them from putting in a 7-5 Big10/SEC team over a 10-2 Acc/Big12 team? Look at the bigger picture.
@@sighburrevil7088 you’re not wrong, but when you remember that the general idea is deciding which teams should get a shot at the title, the debate over the 12th best team is of less importance than the 4th. Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State were all just a few points shy of going undefeated against stiffer competition. I think your 7-5 vs 10-2 scenario is a bit hyperbolic, considering the fact that the current difference is only one very close loss and all the weird head to head stuff. I think Texas is in because they beat another team that warranted inclusion. Had Texas’ loss come against Michigan or Washington the Longhorns would be in the outside looking in. One other point-all a team can do is schedule tough games and win. FSU did that and it wasn’t enough here. It will be enough under the expanded playoff. As for a controversy between 11-1 and 10-2 teams, both had a loss which one gets left out is less controversial since they can point back to the opportunity they had to win. For the record, I would’ve taken FSU over Bama. Noles deserve a shot. Three freaking blue bloods on that schedule, and they all had down years. And then the QB injuries…I just hate to see a team punished for that kind of stuff. These marquee matchups are supposed to be high risk-reward propositions. Bama’s chance was against Texas. Georgia’s was against Bama. When you lose on that stage you go to the back of the line vs an undefeated FSU.
Great point about the inconsistency in used criteria!! Well done. The manipulation of the football leagues is a turn off me get me to watch less football.
Trey what doesn't make sense to me is how come the group of 5 doesn't get more than one bid in the college football playoff? For college basketball every March madness the "haves" have to prove they are better than the "have nots". Most of the time the haves come out on top. But you get a few teams from lower confrences that make runs to the sweet 16, elite 8 and in a really special year, the final four. But most importantly the teams play each other to determine the outcome. Why can't this happen in college football. You can't convince me that SMU, JMU, Boise St, and Liberty couldn't give elite teams a run for their money. . .if not pull off an upset (or two). Because of what's on the line it would be bigger than when Boise beat Oklahoma. If it works in all other college sports, why is college football scared of the UNDERDOG!
I’m with you all the way on this…the more seats the underdogs have at the table, the better It would require further expansion and possibly some restructuring of the end of season championships, but it could work - FCS has a 24-team playoff pool
I was on my soapbox shouting this very same argument as soon as I saw it. This just makes CFP look even worse. There's no argument that SMU is a better team, they railed Tulane.
SMU chose the money and got 2 L’s. Liberty is 13-0 with 6 wins vs bowl teams. Everybody wants to lean on pre-season SOS stats, but come on. Y’all want 3-4 loss teams getting in? All SMU had to do is only lose once or beat a P5 to get in. LIBERTY NEVER LOST. That’s not easy.
Why does the SOS argument matter with Bama vs Florida State? You have two power teams playing power opponents. If you ask me, it makes sense to use that as a tie breaker. Liberty vs SMU is two non-power schools, with one scheduling money games in which they lost. Again, you win one of those games and you are in. How many bowl teams did SMU beat? Not as many as Liberty.
Also, you guys are getting it wrong it not SOLELY about the better team. It is about the best team and the deserving. Alabama has both while FSU does not.
All I can do is look at this fiasco in unbeleavement with ridicule. A publick cluster for the world to see how ridiculous the play off committee is. The Noles have paid their dues.
The criteria you mentioned that helped the committee make their decision is after the QB went down. It was used as a way to make the decision after that. What piece did Liberty not have? This test would not have been used if the QB didn’t go down.
Not a double standard. Liberty has a healthy starting QB and SMU's QB is injured. Same with Florida State's and Alabama's QB's. Boo mentioned that in an interview as well.
JMU got screwed out of a bowl game, because there is some stupid rule saying you have to sit out a season before you could play in a bowl game when you switch conferences. Would that be the same with Texas and Sooners jumping over to the sec? I can't remember that ever happening when teams switch in the D1 conferences.
The CFP Selection Committee will always be biased. It cannot be fixed using criteria while the core system remains the same. For example, what is SOS? How is it determined? Is it equally applied? For me, SOS political in that preseason polls impact SOS. Why should that matter will all the Coaching Staff and Transfer Player changes each season. I am not sure SOS can be fixed to anyone’s satisfaction. I think Net Points matter. You might lie total TDs. It’s not definitive. This is where my MI Officer training has out side the box value even when applied to a non-military topic like college football rankings. The G5/G6 should play all Conference games 1ST. In this way all Conference rankings will be known. The weekend after the Conference season ends will be Championship weekend. The G5/G6 will have its own OOC Selection Committee. The will have from Sunday following regular season until Tuesday at noon to announce all OOC schedules for that year. Teams already qualifying for a Bowl game get scheduled 1ST, then Teams which could make a Bowl game with 6 wins, and lastly, Teams not qualifying for a Bowl. The Teams in Championship games get 3 OOC games. The Teams not in Championship games get 4 OOC games. During Championship weekend, Teams not playing get a BYE. Championship game teams get a BYE the following week. To transition to this system, G5/G6 schools will only schedule other G5/G6 schools. When all schedules are set, all contracts will be canceled and Conference games will start 1ST. If you applied that to this season, this is what the OOC schedules for Liberty and SMU would look like: Liberty: Memphis, @Ohio U, UNLV. SMU: Jacksonville State, @Air Force, Coastal Carolina.
After 50+ years of watching college football, one thing is clear - the NCAA is consistently inconsistent. I agree with everything you said. Apply the same standard and we have a very different opponents on NYD. Nothing against LU, they had a great year. But no objective fan would suggest they are the better team. But that wasn't the standard apparently for G5 this year.
I wish LU had had BYU, UVA, VT, etc on the schedule this year... But you can only play the teams on your schedule. LU played NO FCS teams, unlike some other top 25 teams. Super fun team to watch all year, need to get some pass rush defensive plan in place for the bowl game. Either way - GO FLAMES!
Trey I totally agree with your synopsis comparing how the committee ranked Bama vs. FSU compared to how they did Liberty vs. SMU, but there is an exception that SMU lost two games. Losing 2 has been kind of the backbreaker for getting in traditionally. All your points still stand regarding the fact that the selection process was inconsistent, but it would be a much clearer parallel and double standard if SMU only had one loss, and it was to another single loss team. They lost two, including one to a TCU team that did not get bowl eligible.
@@CollegeUnderdogs You’re 100% spot on. Nothing about what the committee did was consistent. Just saying not sure Alabama’s resume vs. SMUs were apples to apples. Tulane last year was being compared to a bunch of other 2 loss teams (UTSA, Troy, South Alabama, etc.) as opposed to competing with an undefeated team. Nothing but love though, great show keep fighting for the Underdogs!
Dude stop hating, Texas and Alabama both had better strength 💪 of schedule and they both are conference Champs, so that justify the move, stop crying and find a better solution
Has any reporter asked the questions that you're asking to the committee? Everyone so focused on Florida State and Alabama that I feel like this topic that you brought up just gets swept under the rug, because not as many people care. I've yet to hear the commissioner talk about it, or explain why they reversed course. I was thinking the exact same thing you were thinking when they announced it, and the double standard. The problem with this four team format the whole time has been the committee. One week it's resume, the next week it's the best team. There is no consistency as to which criteria will be used and they just pick and choose whatever team they want and then justify it. I hate when things aren't settled on the field and settled by men locked up in rooms in secret meetings. That's where the conspiracy theories come from, And then you add in that Alabama has gotten in every time it's been between them and somebody else. The committee was in a no-win situation with this year's playoffs, so I sympathize a little bit. Nothing they could do would be viewed as correct by everyone. But as you said we just want consistency, and we didn't get it, even in the top four picks. If they had just picked the four best teams then they would have picked Georgia over texas. It feels like they kind of compromised and did partial resume partial best teams. I can understand the reasoning why, because no one really want to see Florida State get destroyed but I still think Florida State probably deserve the shot. We had Oregon as double digit favorites in Georgia as big favorites over Alabama, and they both lost. That shows us that just because we think a team is better and deserves a spot, they aren't always better. Human bias is going to be in anything we do, but they seem to think they're immune from it
Bottom line is SMU affiliated to Southern Episcopal Church has 1.6 million members; Liberty affiliated to both the Southern Baptist Convention and Southern Evangelical Church which have a combined roughly 30 million members, therefore it’s a 20:1 ratio of possible viewership for the bowl game. It’s about $$$$ and advertising revenue for ESPN.
@@rangersking6699 Still far more possible viewers than SMU; the point they use one standard for Bama/FSU and the opposite for Liberty/SMU. My theory is the larger viewership number’s based on the differing standards. It’s all about money at the end of the day. CFP members will be kicking back New Years on a South Pacific Beach while drinking their favorite cocktails and laughing at the under the table $$$$ they got from ESPN
Dude, you guys act like Alabama doesn't deserve to be in. Yeah, they have one loss but they faced more harder opponent. LSU is FSU's best opponent and best win on their resume. LSU is Alabama's THIRD hardest opponent and third best win. Not all schedules are equal. People keep saying saying FSU deserves to be in over Alabama but do they? They do deserve to be in but I wouldn't say they deserve to be in over Alabama. Why? Alabama has harder schedule, SOS, and a better resume. One more thing their QB isn't injured and offense doesn't look incompetent. The only thing FSU have over Alabama is that they are undefeated. While Alabama deserves to be in and also while being the better team. While FSU only deserves to be but no one makes the case they are better.
FSU has a better Strength of Record, ESPN's own slightly more nuanced and informative SoS ranking system. You can see for yourself how much more closely SoR aligns to the final rankings than SoS.
@@nathanstruble2177 SOR doesn't make sense. You have higher SOS, you have more top 25 wins and you lose to the top 4 team and somehow FSU has a better SOR?
