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Did the Pulitzer Prize Make a Mistake With Night Watch? A Pulitzer Prize Deep Dive 

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I read 2024's Pulitzer Prize-winner for Fiction so you don't have to. I'll talk about how Jayne Anne Phillips won for Night Watch, if this book deserved a Pulitzer, and more. Expand for more information. 👇
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My Text Post About Night Watch (With Sources and Links): supposedlyfun.com/2024/05/31/...
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My Predictions for the 2024 Pulitzer Prize: • Pulitzer Prize Predict...
My Pulitzer Prize Ranking (So Far): • Pulitzer Winner Rankin...
What Is the Great American Novel? • What Is the Great Amer...
1917: The Origins of the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction: • The Origins of the Pul...
2010: How On Earth Did Tinkers Win a Pulitzer? • How On Earth Did Tinke...
The 2012 Pulitzer Controversy: • Do Book Prizes Owe Us ...
2022: Why Did The Netanyahus Win a Pulitzer? • Why Did The Netanyahus...
2023: How Did Trust and Demon Copperhead Tie? • How Did Demon Copperhe...
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What Is Night Watch About? 04:10
Why Did This Win a Pulitzer? 06:51
Is Night Watch a Good Book? 14:52
Who Is Jayne Anne Phillips? 28:24
Are There Adaptations or Sequels? 30:01
What Was Night Watch's Competition for the Pulitzer? 30:37
Should Night Watch Have Won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction? 32:24
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Night Watch, Jayne Anne Phillips: bookshop.org/a/99775/97804514...
North Woods, Daniel Mason: bookshop.org/a/99775/97805935...
The Heaven and Earth Grocery Store, James McBride: bookshop.org/a/99775/97805934...
Absolution, Alice McDermott: bookshop.org/a/99775/97803746...
Tom Lake, Ann Patchett: bookshop.org/a/99775/97800633...
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@MsPixieD
@MsPixieD 20 дней назад
Just saw this on my TV and had to hop on my phone to leave a comment. This. This is why I love you so much, Greg. Such a well-tempered, thorough, sincere, apt, interesting analysis. Your videos often mention having a discussion, and it really feels like one, not like being talked at, particularly one point in the video where it sounded like you were responding to something we viewers just said. Makes it feel very immersive and real-time. And while it was satisfying to see you toss that book (in a genuine and organic moment, not as performance), it was after very thoughtfully discussing what you consider to be wrong with it. In my mind, if not in a review, I probably would have mentally tossed it, slotted it into the "sh*tty writing" category for all the reasons you gracefully addressed. I probably would've been mad I'd wasted my time when I could've been reading something else. The time you have spent sharing your thoughts redeems and dignifies the entire topic, and it feels like a gift. I admire your ability to keep it classy 🎉
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
That is so sweet-thank you! I’m so glad the discussion vibe I always want comes across. I started my channel hoping it would be a way of having a conversation with people. Comments like this help keep going, even when it takes a lot of time and work to keep posting. Thank you! ❤️📚🥂
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 20 дней назад
Haven’t read it. I have to be honest and tell you that any book that generates such a visceral reaction makes me curious.
@weverage
@weverage 20 дней назад
same
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Well, if you do read it I look forward to your thoughts! Maybe a historian will have a different perspective.
@Rachelandmarley
@Rachelandmarley 20 дней назад
Me too! I didn’t like this one though, waste of my reading time.
@CGyog
@CGyog 19 дней назад
Exactly!! Read it for yourself and make up your own mind! I did and really enjoyed this book in the end! It is not an easy read in the beginning because the author has to show the types of trauma incurred during wartime - not only for the soldiers but also for the families left behind. There are plenty of 5-star reviews on Goodreads. The ‘mixed reviews’ on this book made me want to read it more! It would make for great book club discussion, imho. I’m also a book-loving Texan and we can definitely think for ourselves 😊
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 16 дней назад
@@joniheisenberg Thank you that is good to know.
@michaelbroderick2282
@michaelbroderick2282 20 дней назад
Wonderful rant. If this book wasn't going onto your Pulitzer shelf, I could envision a book toss that would've sailed right through that window behind you.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Absolutely!
@shannongeier8155
@shannongeier8155 16 дней назад
I sort of want to buy the book and just throw it across the room every week or so, with all my life's frustrations piled upon it. Greg, you're so inspiring! 😍
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
😂 It can feel very therapeutic!
@alldbooks9165
@alldbooks9165 19 дней назад
Wow. Thanks for reading that book, so I don’t have to.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Happy to do it!
@MJ-in-Canada
@MJ-in-Canada 20 дней назад
Greg throws the book across the room. That says it all, folks.🤣
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
It’s an elite club! 😂🤣
@user-ir1vt6gr6h
@user-ir1vt6gr6h 20 дней назад
I'm loving how many reviewers are hating this. Ha! I don't think I'd be interested otherwise, honestly. But wow. It's that bad? Interesting. Not that I don't trust you. You're probably right. I just gotta see!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
@@user-ir1vt6gr6h There's always room for other readers to like it more than I did!
@athertonca
@athertonca 20 дней назад
Yes, I have read Night Watch through the Libby app, first as an audiobook, then as an ebook…so yeah, twice. It’s telling that Libby predicted I wouldn’t get the ebook for 18 weeks and it was available in less than three. Night Watch has out-Netanyahued The Netanyahus! Is this the worst Pulitzer Prize winner for fiction? No, I think the Updike books are worse, but Night Watch lives two blocks away.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
There are definitely worse Pulitzer winners that I've read, but I agree that Night Watch is in the neighborhood with them!
@kristinmarra7005
@kristinmarra7005 13 дней назад
Completely agree with the Updike books not deserving a Pulitzer. The worst.
@alastairmcalpine7467
@alastairmcalpine7467 20 дней назад
Like you, I’m starting to worry if the Pulitzer is ok. I was DOWN with Trust and DC sharing it last year, but with The Netanyahus, The Night Watchman, and now The Night Watch, we’ve had 3 dud years out of 4, and very worthy books have been excluded (Love Songs of WEB Du Bois *cough*). Not sure what’s happening, but very grateful for your honest thoughts. Looking forward to your deep dive on the state of the Pulitzer in 2024…
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I agree about those three duds! And going back further, there haven't been many winners that I've been excited about over the last decade. And far too many great books have been overlooked (Love Songs, Sing Unburied Sing, The Good Lord Bird, etc.).
@HeronCoyote1234
@HeronCoyote1234 17 дней назад
I’ve tried reading Pulitzer Prize winners. Too many of them, I just scratch my head, thinking, am I missing something? Apparently not.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
There are a lot of good ones, too!
@MJ-in-Canada
@MJ-in-Canada 20 дней назад
Night Watch drew me in and kept me interested up to a point but then it quickly had me asking, “What is the point you’re trying to make, Jayne Anne Phillips?” I enjoy historical fiction because it leads me off-piste down rabbit holes so the lists and photos, etc., were enjoyable for me although completely unnecessary and puzzling as to why they were included. The sexual assault scene was brutal and drawn-out to the point where I yelled, “Stop hitting me over the head with this!” Having read the excellent McBride, Woods, and Patchett books, I am left scratching my head as to why Night Watch was chosen as the winner.
@MJ-in-Canada
@MJ-in-Canada 20 дней назад
p.s. When I finished the book, I felt like it had been a good read (for me) but only because I’d enjoyed going down those historical rabbit holes such as researching asylums of the period, post-Civil War conditions, etc. However, it was definitely not Pulitzer Prize material and I should have DNF’d it rather than turning it into a history project.
@marciajohansson769
@marciajohansson769 20 дней назад
My curiosity about what everyone hates about the book has been piqued! I find unnecessary detailed SA scenes bothersome. I put in on a hold at the library for what I am not sure!!!!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I can see how it would make an interesting history dive, but I agree that as a novel it does not hold up.
@janethansen9612
@janethansen9612 19 дней назад
I haven't seen anyone give this a good review yet. I am envisaging a corner of the floor of your library where Night Watch, Rabbit Run and The Netanyahus live.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I've gotten some comments on this video from people who liked Night Watch, so there's that. I would love to just leave Gone With the Wind, Night Watch, Rabbit, and Netanyahus in the closet to think about what they've done, but I do keep them on the Pulitzer shelf--which is arranged chronilogically.
@readandre-read
@readandre-read 20 дней назад
When I think of all of the books that they must have read and considered, I really struggle to imagine how they agreed on this winner.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I don't get it either.
@MJ-in-Canada
@MJ-in-Canada 20 дней назад
Time for a cinnamon bun book now, Greg.😁
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Amen to that!
@markhnk
@markhnk 17 дней назад
I didn't know that Chabon was on the jury, so this video was very informative. Do you have a link to that statement about the other books he liked? I have the deepest respect for this man, and while I didn't read Night Watch, there are so many people I respect who disliked it that I'm a bit surprised and disappointed. Regarding the point about a "writer's writer," Yiyun Li, one of the nominees, is also somebody who is taught in writing classes a lot and is perceived as what you refer to as a "good literary citizen" in the community. However, even by her standards, the nominated book was the most obscure of her books. Interestingly, she will be on the Booker jury this year, so let's see how much of the Pulitzer mindset will be in this year's Booker.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
Chabon posted the other books he liked on Threads. There's a link in the post from my website, or you can check his feed there. I do agree that Yiyun Li fits a similar mold to Jayne Anne Phillips. Someone else pointed out that the nature of the other two finalists makes it feel like they were stacking the deck for Phillips to win, and despite Yiyun Li's reputation I do agree. The nature of this particular book--especially being a story collection--make it something that traditionally has a hard road to winning a Pulitzer.
@ht6743
@ht6743 19 дней назад
In hindsight, we have Tayari Jones blurbing a rave for Night Watch, the Fiction jury chair Sam Sacks giving a positive WSJ review (he was also on the jury for The Netanyahus, so watch out whenever he's selected for one of these), and Michael Chabon proudly making a point of acknowledging lesser-known authors, which might have been the mandate of the jury this cycle. The three other books Chabon mentioned were The Ice Harp by Norman Lock, After World by Debbie Urbanski, and Dearborn by Ghassan Zeinnedine. I've only heard of Dearborn, which I thought could legitimately be a dark-horse contender for its topicality. Seems like the heavy hitters were penalized for being heavy hitters, just like the Booker jury did last year for Demon Copperhead, which still irks. It makes the exclusion of North Woods here even more gross and glaring. My library doesn't even have Night Watch in circulation. I'm not bothering to seek that nonsense out after I was burned with the unreadable Lark & Termite. I checked out Same Bed Different Dreams instead. Very weird, but I'm kinda liking it so far.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I've heard great things about Same Bed Different Dreams, but it feels like a book that does a lot of things I typically don't respond to, so I'm happy leaving it for others to enjoy.
@user-ir1vt6gr6h
@user-ir1vt6gr6h 20 дней назад
I remember a Pulitzer finalist I found absurd when I first read it, "The Quick and The Dead" by Joy Williams. I had wished it had won just so people could hate in more! It seemed ridiculous. It actually is. Still. But somehow I came to love it for being such a daring mess, so heavily handedly "literary" and a honest to goodness hoot! And so I read more Williams and now she's one of my favorites. If this gives me that sort of experience, it's worth a try! But then again, sometimes a mess is just a mess. I do love how hated this appears to be, however. That's something right there! I probably would overlook it otherwise. If I just plain hate it? Well, I was warned!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
It is interesting that a mess can be lovable sometimes.
@user-iu4ws6vh5s
@user-iu4ws6vh5s 18 дней назад
I am so grateful for your breakdown on this. I only loosely follow the Pulitzer. I was on a mission to read them all but have been over them as a standard bearer after the years of no-award (no great American fiction, really?) followed by confounding ties. Last year they got it (mostly) right with Kingsolver but I still doubt their merit. No Black women in decades, so few diverse authors and diverse subjects. I worry that their loose and nebulous standards reinforces the notion that the Pulitzer is dated or their judges aren’t reading and recognizing some excellent and diverse, yet unrecognized works.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I do think the Pulitzer has put forward diverse voices and stories, but with curious blind spots. The lack of black women winners is a huge issue for me, but Colson Whitehead recently became one of the only two-time winners--so black men (at least, black men named Colson Whitehead) have had better luck. And while I didn't like Less, it's nice that such a gay novel won a major literary prize. Plus there are the recent wins for Louise Erdrich (a little too late, but I digress) and Viet Thanh Nguyen. But there's also a lack of Latinx winners. So there is some good diversity, but as I said there are curious blind spots.
@nathanfoung2347
@nathanfoung2347 19 дней назад
Great review Greg. Thank you, you put so much effort into the Pulitzer videos it is always entertaining and grestly appreciated. Go well.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Thank you so much! They are a lot of work but I love doing these Pulitzer videos.
@tripurasundari7749
@tripurasundari7749 20 дней назад
Eric Carl Anderson did a similar review :)
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I haven’t watched it yet because I didn’t want to be influenced by what he had to say. I’m going to try to catch up to his today.
@melissafirman1962
@melissafirman1962 17 дней назад
And this is why we love you, Greg. The best part of this review hits at the 16:00 mark with your recitation of many other deserving books. I didn't realize it's been since 1988 since a Black woman won the Pulitzer. Good Lord. (Talk about being dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world.) That is baffling that Phillips doesn't classify this as historical fiction. What the hell is it, then?! And don't get me started on the sexual assault scene -- it's going to be a long, long time before that leaves my mind (if it ever does) which makes me furious because this was a DNF!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
Thank you! Her only explanation was that she thinks historical fiction is "event-based" and her work is "character-based." That feels like an extremely narrow view of historical fiction to me.
@MarsBerman
@MarsBerman 19 дней назад
I hated it from the minute I picked it up. You gave me the right to throw it away and worry about Pulitzer's meaning.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I'm happy to have finished it so you don't have to! 😊
@gpeaches
@gpeaches 18 дней назад
Damn interesting review... When you were talking about the depictions of SA and feeling physically ill, I have only ever felt that when reading Kent Hafuf's Plainsong... I HATED that book. The gratuitous violence against women, animals, and children, and the random sexualization of women at every turn was vile. I am still so gobsmacked that people rave about that book. It felt like I was reading an old predator's smut novel. Hated it with a burning passion. But I can easily tolerate depictions of violence in thrillers and other novels without feeling triggered. Plainsong is the only book I've read that has triggered a physiological response that mimics when I feel like I'm in danger of being SA'd.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
Oof, I didn't know that about Plainsong. I think I have a copy of it on my shelf. I may have to think about that.
@user-tc9wx1uf7f
@user-tc9wx1uf7f 19 дней назад
I so appreciate your honesty. I read so many of the wonderful books that I thought were in contention for the prize. I haven't read Night Watch and probably never will now.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I wish I had liked it better! It's fun when a surprise winner ends up being a beloved book.
@layalialsudairy9992
@layalialsudairy9992 20 дней назад
Great review!, thank you
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Thanks!! 😊
@katie5773
@katie5773 20 дней назад
The fact that you threw it across the room tells us all we need to know, Greg! You so rarely do that, it's obvious it has offended you greatly. I'm sorry you were so disappointed this year. A lot of what you were saying accounts for why I generally don't read any of the prizes. I don't need some secretive process or some judges I don't know telling me what great literature is. It's all so subjective. And it seems clear to me that each year there's a different agenda with the Pulitzer in particular. I hope you are reading something much better now ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I am definitely reading something much better now, thanks! I can’t remember all the authors that have promoted a book toss, but I believe Jayne Anne Phillips joins John Updike, Ian Fleming, and Alexander Chee.
@Fangrrrll
@Fangrrrll 18 дней назад
And this is why my own Pulitzer project is something I’m holding very loosely. I don’t want to read Updike and thanks to your review I don’t want to read this. Life is too short to read bad books!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
There are so many books out there to try to get to!
@lilmorsecody
@lilmorsecody 20 дней назад
what an amazing collection in the background!! im between homes at the moment so all my books are in storage. I used to love collecting books, mostly poetry and art books. I can't wait to get them back❤
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
It’s so hard not to have your books with you. Mine spent a lot of time in boxes when we moved to Montana until we settled in this house, so I get it.
@mradcaqbdb
@mradcaqbdb 20 дней назад
Loved the rant! There’s nothing like a good (always polite) Greg rant. I have not been a fan of the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in the years, admittedly not that many, I have followed it. The secrecy is the thing that annoys me the most. But any prize year for any prize that has a pretty obvious agenda is bound to make me angry. This goes back to Margaret Atwood co-winning the Booker because a couple of judges thought she (not the book) deserved it and refused to play by the rules. Prize juries have to stay within the bounds of the rules for the prize. I think they should have been questioned about their finalists as they were so completely out of left field. Not that that would have changed the result this year, but maybe future juries might consider staying within the rules. Excellent video!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
Thank you! I do think the Pulitzer and the Nobel need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. In both cases, it's especially difficult because they aren't JUST literature prizes, but something needs to change.
@griffincearley4753
@griffincearley4753 День назад
Hey Greg! I totally agree with your review, but I wanted to point one thing out, I think the photos actually are all photos of things (or the photos themselves) that are referenced in the book, so that directly enter in the plot. For example, the photo of the soldiers that you mentioned is actually, I believe, the photo that Dearhbla (sic? who knows/cares) keeps and describes of her kind-of son, hubby of Eliza. I totally agree that a lot of the historical details are useless and confusing, as well as with the rest of the review. Love your videos! Thanks!
@deegrows7589
@deegrows7589 20 дней назад
Spot-on review!! 👍🏼
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Glad you liked it!
@debbiejefferies
@debbiejefferies 20 дней назад
Wow !!!!! Your passion for the 'injustice' of this is so wonderful to hear because it proves how much you care about it. I now think that there is clearly a hidden agenda other than 'The Best Book Wins' therefore you or anyone else outside of that judging panel will not be able to make sense of it. For me, no point in taking part in a game you don't know the rules for ! Won't spend time in this next year. What a shame !
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I do think the concept of 'best' is too broad and subjective, so I don't necessarily mind if a jury tries to establish criteria for how to choose a winner. I do think it gets messy as soon as those criteria turn into an agenda. It doesn't always happen, but when it does it gets frustrating.
@KathyBellows
@KathyBellows 5 дней назад
I am not an expert in literature. I liked the book (except for the rape scene) because I believed the subtle messages I took from the novel tied it together for me. In that time period, to know that an asylum really did exist with compassionate policies is amazing and true! Some of the heroes of the story were the surgeon who helped the night watchman, the doctor who recognized serious trauma in “miss Janet”, and Dr. Kirkbride’s vision and design of this asylum. In so many books, those types of characters (in leadership positions) end up being the bad guys and this was a refreshing change. I also liked the way the individual threads throughout the book all came together at the end - with surprises along the way. Throughout the book, I felt the author gave us glimpses of what it was like - as a woman - to live in the wilderness during and after the war. For example, The old woman was unveiled as a smart resourceful woman, not the crazy lady who lived alone. She felt things and believed she had spiritual insights into the experiences of others - giving sage advice to the young girl. I am surprised you used the word HATE to describe how you felt about this novel. Maybe the subtle messages were hard for you to find. By the way, Tom Lake was one of the most boring books I have ever read!
@ericw4377
@ericw4377 20 дней назад
I have not read any of these books, but it's enjoyable to hear your analysis and criticism, Greg. I understand where you are coming from even though I don't literally understand from a firsthand experience yet (if that makes sense).
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
It makes sense! Thanks for watching.
@bc-mv5se
@bc-mv5se 20 дней назад
Same. Finally read it. I could think of 2-3 that should've ranked above.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I guess there's always next year.
@emmavd
@emmavd 20 дней назад
This was brilliant, Greg! Thank you very much!🌷I’ve enjoyed all the books I’ve read following your recommendations, and I’m definitely not going to waste my time on Night Watch. By the way, I read The Netanyahus when it won the Pulitzer (I hadn’t discovered your channel yet😢) and wasn’t impressed. I actually found it rather annoying. So I’m glad I’m being saved from another disappointing (and this one even traumatizing) read. Totally agree on Tom Lake and The Heaven and Earth Grocery Store deserving the prize. I know you are of a different opinion, but I also wouldn’t have minded if North Woods had won. I have read Trust, but not yet Demon Copperhead, I think I’ll try and squeeze it in among my summer reads. I’m currently listening to Barbara Kingsolver narrating one of my favourites among her novels, Prodigal Summer. Great book and great narrator!😊📚
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I would definitely have taken North Woods over this! I still need to read Prodigal Summer. Happy to have helped you avoid some trauma! I also found Netanyahus to be annoying.
@JustMeToday2
@JustMeToday2 17 дней назад
So glad to see you talked about this! I tried reading the book and would have tossed it if it weren't on my eReader 😂 Thanks for reading it and sharing all your thoughts.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
Thanks for watching!
@solar1913
@solar1913 19 дней назад
The problem with those type of win is that the author herself will probably suffer a backlash not of her doing and the people giving her a win thinking “we will make her recognized “ are not the one that will the hate long term and it might actually results in the opposite of what they wanted to happen.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
That's a good point! It's possible Jayne Anne Phillips didn't want the spotlight in this way.
@cosettie5913
@cosettie5913 18 дней назад
The book throw at the end was the cherry on top for me.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
It's an elite club!
@ariannefowler455
@ariannefowler455 20 дней назад
Wow. Thank you for this review. This is absolutely not a book for me and I'm glad I know that now, rather than finding out while reading. It's too bad that this was the winner. I wish we could understand what the judges were thinking.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I’ve been watching and waiting for the jury to say something, but I wonder if the Pulitzer requires them to remain silent. The only time we’ve gotten a statement from a jury member was when Michael Cunningham spoke out after the Board failed to choose a winner the year he had been on the jury-and that was a very specific circumstance.
@christinemiller6275
@christinemiller6275 19 дней назад
I read this book several months ago when I saw it on the National Book Award long list. I am a huge fan of civil war historical fiction, so I gave it a whirl. I thought it was okay, if a little quirky and creepy, but I definitely do not think it was Pulitzer worthy. I absolutely agree with you about what the three finalists should have been. Absolution should have won because not only was it beautifully written, but it was thought provoking and heartfelt. It’s a book I keep thinking about.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Absolution is so beautifully written. I feel like the opening chapter is so good it could stand on its own as a short story.
@JPT-kg8fm
@JPT-kg8fm 19 дней назад
A discussion on what makes a book not a good book is an interesting one. If that makes things any better.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
🥂 📚
@Roscoethecat
@Roscoethecat 20 дней назад
Wonderful review, Greg. I read Absolution. I thought I would DNF it, but went back to it a few days after I stopped reading. I'm glad I did. It's not a Great American Novel, like So Big and To Kill a Mockingbird, but it's a good book. I saw an interview with Ann Patchett and she picked Absolution to win the Pulitzer. Tom Lake should have won the Pulitzer.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
Tom Lake has really stayed with me since I finished it. I'm so glad I read it.
@Roscoethecat
@Roscoethecat 18 дней назад
@@SupposedlyFun Lara in Tom Lake and Selina in So Big are my two favorite novel characters.
@drewplatt
@drewplatt 11 дней назад
I agree. I wanted to love it, but constantly checking the percentage of completion on my Kindle is not a good sign. I didn't hate it; I just thought, "OK, in a year, when anyone asks me about that, I can regurgitate what it's about as if it were a movie I watched on a plane."
@StephaniePatterson-jb5it
@StephaniePatterson-jb5it 19 дней назад
Apropos of very little, The Washington Post is running a series about the National Book Award which turns 75 books this year. The first article is called " How the National Book Award Reflected 1950s America." It's by the writer Viet Thanh Nguyen. There is the article and then there are snarky mean comments in the comment section.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I haven't read it yet, but I saw that they had launched that project.
@robkovell6329
@robkovell6329 18 дней назад
Wow, that’s a lot of hate for a very good book.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I'm glad you liked it more than I did. The nice thing about books is that we're all entitled to an opinion.
@robkovell6329
@robkovell6329 18 дней назад
@@SupposedlyFun Agreed. And also agreed on the Pulitzer process …it’s why I prefer the Booker, love trying to predict and the read the long list…
@judybrown1624
@judybrown1624 20 дней назад
I will be reading it for my library book club, but I really want to read the other two finalists.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I look forward to your thoughts if you do read it.
@ftt7429
@ftt7429 20 дней назад
I thought there was an interesting book hidden in here, but mostly feel the same way you do about it although no to the degree you did. I was certainly fed up by the end and forced myself to get through the last few chapters. I gave it 3 out of 5 stars. Kind of crazy that my favorite book of the year North Woods wasn’t even a finalist.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
It's a frustrating end to what was a great year for American literature.
@Phillybookfairy
@Phillybookfairy 17 дней назад
I don’t know if I told you this but almost a decade ago I was thinking of doing a Pulitzer Prize project but it lost steam because I was reading them in chronological order and some of them I just can’t for the life of me agree with and I’ve found that I enjoy the Women’s prize and the Booker prizes much more, so I ditched that effort. Glad to see there are some still going the distance, I’ll watch from a distance 😂 nooo thank you hahahhaha. I did also become aware of a prize for adventure stories and I’m pretty hype on that. Our Hideous Progeny which is on my TBR this month is on its short list along with some other really fantastic sounding books that I don’t own 😢😂😂😂 . I’m trying to get free copies but I think are not out in the US yet 😂😂😂 ugh! All of my favorite prizes are from the UK. 🇬🇧
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
My original plan was to read them in chronological order but I abandoned that fairly quickly. I think being able to move around and follow my interests is better for me as a mood reader and allows me to get out of ruts. So far so good, although I am also allowing myself to take my time with this project.
@TheLeniverse
@TheLeniverse 18 дней назад
A rare rant from you, up there with your loathing for Updike 😆Thank you, I'll pass on this one. I really wish the Pulitzer had more transparency. I'd love to see the reasoning of the jury. It does rather seem like the jury tried to finagle it so that Night Watch would win, pitting it against two interconnected short story connections - one of which is (from my understanding) only loosely linked with American life.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
One thing I love about having the jury public-facing is that the Booker and the Women's Prize, et al, use the jurors to talk about why a book is so great when they release a video announcing the longlist and shortlist. The Pulitzer refuses to give you those moments. And you're right--given that story collections (linked and otherwise) have such a hard time with the Pulitzer, it does feel like stacking the deck to put two of them into the mix with Night Watch. That's a big reason why as soon as I saw the finalists, I knew Night Watch was about to win.
@TheLeniverse
@TheLeniverse 18 дней назад
@@SupposedlyFun Yeah, same. When they made the announcement I thought, "It will be Night Watch, then." I've learnt all about how this works from you 😂 The Booker and the Women's Prizes are definitely more participant friendly. The Pulitzer is a bit more secret society, above the concerns of mere readers 😆
@janetclark8606
@janetclark8606 20 дней назад
Sorry you didn't get your way. I read most of the books you would rather have had, but IMO I think the Pulitzer committee made a great choice.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I’m glad you enjoyed it! I do have to say that you’re the first person I’ve heard from who thinks it was a good choice.
@joebeatty7961
@joebeatty7961 20 дней назад
Very convincing and detailed argument against Night Watch.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Thanks!
@MayelinGarcia-pq3hp
@MayelinGarcia-pq3hp 14 дней назад
Thank you for your video, I have the feeling that I would have the same opinion about this book as you. I really appreciate your sincerity about it, I don’t feel that you are suppose to be nice about it. That is why we watch this videos on RU-vid, right? To see different opinions about books. If I don’t like a book, I say it too. Night Watch and the way you feel about it, reminds me my reaction to Norwegian Woods by Murakami, uff I hate that book so much, that I don’t think I would pick another book from the same author ever. I felt much better when I learned that Mario Vargas Llosa share the same opinion like me. Again, thank you for your videos and sincerity, your channel is wonderful!!!
@KaiOpaka
@KaiOpaka 19 дней назад
I think they knew if they put any of the more "expected" winners as a finalist, either one would get picked or everyone would complain that they weren't picked but could've been. All of the options had to be lesser known to make sure that wouldn't happen.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I don't think there's as much of a problem with "expected" books winning as people think there is. Some of the best Pulitzer winners could be described as "expected" winners (The Grapes of Wrath, To Kill a Mockingbird, Beloved, and, I would argue, Demon Copperhead, etc.). The problem is purely one of perception. People don't always like to do the expected thing. Why would a jury need to ensure that an "expected" book wouldn't win?
@booksandbags
@booksandbags 20 дней назад
Thank you for such a detailed review! I put this book on hold when the prize was announced. Eric Carl Anderson already had me giving it the side eye after his review. I canceled the hold after this one. What a disappointing choice after a year of great books.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I held off on watching Eric’s video until after I posted my own, and I can finally watch his tonight!
@onourpath
@onourpath 20 дней назад
Greg -- or anyone else who wants to comment -- I loved Lark and Termite so much; I still think about that book after all these years. What should I do about this one? I'm waiting for a hold to come through from the library, so I haven't invested any money yet. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I don’t think you lose anything by giving it a try-especially since you have liked Lark & Termite, which seems to be a very love-it-or-hate it novel given comments I’ve gotten. But just know that if you aren’t feeling it when you try it, you aren’t alone and you don’t have to continue-especially if you get a library copy.
@AvAlanchian
@AvAlanchian 20 дней назад
I’m in the same situation, I read Lark and Termite last year after Greg mentioned it. I really liked it so what do I do with Night Watch?
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
@@AvAlanchian There's always a chance you'll like it more than me! I don't mean to say that no one should read Night Watch. It's definitely possible other readers will take to it. The Pulitzer jury certainly did!
@TF-lk6co
@TF-lk6co 20 дней назад
I've learned a lot about book awards -- the Pulitzer in particular -- from this channel. A major takeaway is that the criteria for awards are even more arbitrary than I once thought. This unfortunately renders a prestigious award almost useless as a signal of whether to read a book.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I don't think I would say that awards are useless. I will always love a longlist as a tool for discovery--and following conversations around certain book prizes can help me decide which books I want to prioritize and which ones I can leave alone. I think there's merit in knowing that the process is not definitive at all, but it can still be useful.
@TF-lk6co
@TF-lk6co 19 дней назад
​@@SupposedlyFun I agree that if the award process raises awareness of the year's books it can be helpful for deciding what to read, even if the actual award winner is chosen for seemingly arbitrary reasons.
@weverage
@weverage 20 дней назад
wow what a great review. one of your best. is it weird that the book sounds so bad i kinda want to read it lol. but i will read your recommendations first.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
If you do read it, I would be curious to see if you agree. But yes, I think there are better ways to spend your reading time.
@ashleyquintero9673
@ashleyquintero9673 16 дней назад
You should read Same Bed Different Dreams, I loved it and it deserved to be a finalist
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
I've heard great things about it. Not sure it's the type of book I usually enjoy, but maybe someday.
@zsazsavoom
@zsazsavoom 19 дней назад
I would never have chosen Night Watch (which needed a strong edit,imo) but also would have never chosen Patchett or McDermott. My fave was North Woods which I thought I only liked until a second read convinced me it was definitely my book of the year. The myriad issues surrounding prizes and juries seems to be flummoxing many of us this year. Not just in the literary world, the Chelsea Flower Show courted some controversy with their now quite transparent judging system. So it goes...
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I actually saw a bit of the Chelsea Flower Show when I was in Ireland but missed the controversy. I wasn't keen on North Woods, but I would have taken it as a winner.
@user-cp3cx5xf8s
@user-cp3cx5xf8s 20 дней назад
I couldn’t agree with you more.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Thanks!
@skylark1250
@skylark1250 20 дней назад
Well I’m glad you braved reading Night Watch so I don’t have to spend $30 bucks buying it! Thanks. I like your other choices for the prize. I’ve read two of the non fiction nominees, The Best Minds and Fire Weather. The Best Minds is so brilliant it was a joy to read, about a friendship between two neighborhood boys, one of whom, although stunningly intelligent, grows up to develop schizophrenia.l and the promise and problem of good intentions. Fire Weather is just plain disturbing about what we are in for because of climate change. But both are very good reads. I recommend them.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I'm interested in both of the nonfiction books you describe, but I think I'll wait until my election-year stress subsides (if it does) to try either one.
@jamesroth316
@jamesroth316 20 дней назад
Greg, when I saw you fling (or is it hurl?) that book across the room and heard that thud, I thought I hope it doesn't hit Teddy. That would really hurt!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I knew he wasn't in the room when it happened! But I see the concern.
@trashcangoblin420
@trashcangoblin420 19 дней назад
I'm doing a similar project, but reading the booker prize winners, and oooh boy lemme tell you when I hit margaret atwood's the testaments, I wanted to flip that thing out into the bin after I finished it. basically, I feel the emotions and energies you're transmitting here, but appreciate just how eloquent and thorough your analysis is compared to me being like 'BAD PROSE! BAD DIALOGUE! BAD BAD!'
@trashcangoblin420
@trashcangoblin420 19 дней назад
and I am someone who ravenously reads Brandon Sanderson novels, who might be one of the clunkiest writers of all time/space. like dude is so bad, he's a master of crafting some of the ugliest sentences I've ever read.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I haven't read Testaments, but I love Handmaid's Tale as it is. I don't want to mess with it.
@trashcangoblin420
@trashcangoblin420 18 дней назад
@@SupposedlyFun what a weird book it is, feeling more like a clunky YA novel meets sequel to the show (not the original book). Even more baffling that it somehow earned the co-win with one of the best books I’ve read in years.
@tedtalksrock
@tedtalksrock 17 дней назад
@@trashcangoblin420OMG! Thank you for saying this. I hadn’t heard of Sanderson until I stumbled across his writing workshops online, which made me excited to look up his work… and yikes! I thought it was gawdawful. I couldn’t understand WHY he was supposed to be a good author. It was rambling and not well written at all. I was wondering what I had missed, but reading this makes me feel validated.
@trashcangoblin420
@trashcangoblin420 17 дней назад
@@tedtalksrockoh friend! I feel you. Fantasy RU-vid (and fantasy readers) are obsessed with Sanderson but his writing is truly atrocious. Cool world building and interesting ideas sometimes but you have to wade through some miserable prose. Then if you start carefully looking you really begin to pick up some odd gender stuff (women in sanderson’s world - ouch) and political woo. It’s like a mass gaslighting - why! Yet I still read his stuff? Maybe my brain needs breaks lol 😂
@awebofstories
@awebofstories 16 дней назад
My shameful confession: This author (and book) was so unknown to me that I originally thought is was Jane Ann Krentz. And I was so confused...
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
I have also been guilty of that! I'm so glad I'm not the only one. 😂
@jackwalter5970
@jackwalter5970 20 дней назад
I think Phillips won for her body of work rather than for her latest novel.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I do think the jury probably genuinely liked this novel, but it does feel like they also gravitated toward Phillips because of who she is.
@louiseschmaltz5595
@louiseschmaltz5595 20 дней назад
This book is nominated for my book club next year. Yowza. I'll come out against it!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
😬😬😬
@Where4_Art_Thou
@Where4_Art_Thou 20 дней назад
I had no interest in reading her work before this video… but this sprawling mixed media sebaldian murky book is up my alley. I can see it simultaneously being mind-opening as well as infuriating, and I definitely see the merits of your criticism as well - some of what you’ve described would drive me nuts. I definitely don’t think that some of your picks should have been a Pulitzer winner when the Pulitzer Prize is the most prestigious prize awarded to the best book on literary merits - Let Us Descend received lukewarm praise compared to her other titles that did not win and neither Tom Lake nor Heaven + Earth Grocery does not stray beyond the bounds of conventional fiction. I’m sure they’re all great books but like the Nobel, the Pulitzer is looking for something more. This is sort of like Faulkner - he didn’t win a Pulitzer until much later probably at least in major part because of how experimental his work was. Now, we look back and say - really, no Pulitzer for Faulkner until A Fable (looking forward to your reaction to that barely readable book)? There would be no Toni Morrison without Faulkner but he languished for years in obscurity. I think the Pulitzer judges have this in mind when looking at literature that has lasting literary impact and a writer’s writer often has more of that angle, even if the book is significantly flawed and difficult.
@Where4_Art_Thou
@Where4_Art_Thou 20 дней назад
Noting your very valid story construction critiques - but how was it at the line level? Does she play with form and meaning when looking at it sentence by sentence? Powerful writing can sometimes be so attractive to a writer when judging that the issues with the story itself may be hidden.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I disagree that Tom Lake and Heaven & Earth aren't serious enough--but I also don't like dismissing books as "conventional" in the first place. I think Tom Lake has highly intelligent and nuanced things to say about life and family that would absolutely make it worthy of a Pulitzer. There's a subtly to it that makes it seem simple when there's a staggering amount of observation at work. And I think the Pulitzer has a precedent for recognizing that type of book with Olive Kitteridge, Breathing Lessons, etc. And Heaven & Earth Grocery Store is a sprawling story about community and empathy that feels resonant for this time, but also timeless. As for Phillips' writing, I would say that the sentences mostly feel tortured to me-worked within an inch of their lives. But clearly, the Pulitzer jury and Board thought differently.
@barbaragoostree8395
@barbaragoostree8395 20 дней назад
I had just started the audiobook of Night Watchman when I read that it was selected as Pulitzer prize winner. I was pleased because I am a recent fan of Jayne Anne Phillips. The book definitely didn't live up to Phillip's previous novels. Some of the themes had potential to be so much better than they were. Insane asylums were terrible places where women could be committed at the whim of their fathers/husbands.the book made it sound like this was a nice cozy place where some women stayed because they preferred it. That the hospital doctors fell in love with their patients was really icky. So yes, the book was a major disappointment to me and a misstep by the Pulitzer committee.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
It's funny when the timing works out like that. I had just gotten Less from the library when it won the Pulitzer. I wasn't too keen on that one, either, though. And I do agree that this book's rosy portrait of asylums seems naive compared to what we've learned about them--especially given the inclusion of reasons someone could be committed (and how arbitrary they are) and the doctor falling in love with a patient (and that just being portrayed as normal), as you point out.
@janetay8798
@janetay8798 16 дней назад
Literary prizes can't be taken too seriously, imo they are simply another form of ranking by a specific group of ppl, similar to the way educators choose certain books to be featured in curriculums, or other titles to be banned. I shall never understand why some booktubers build their channel focusing on such rankings. However I do appreciate the immense effort you put in to analyze and close read Night Watch!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 16 дней назад
Thanks. I do think there's merit in tracking what is deemed as prizeworthy--not to mention fascinating, especially as it changes over time.
@Elizabeth-Reads
@Elizabeth-Reads 20 дней назад
Well, all I can say is the only good thing about this book being chosen was that it led to this review. Angry Greg is fun to watch, especially since I wholeheartedly agree. (Imagine me interjecting "Yeah!" at various points in your rant. 😉 ) I think I've given up on awards lists, with a few exceptions they seem less and less reflective of the books I'd consider among the best of the year and want to spend my time with. I can't help wondering if the motivations of the judges are without prior bias. Are they rewarding their friends? (We all know that's what most cover blurbs are.) Are they getting a special "You scratch my back I'll scratch yours" from publishers? I don't know. Regardless, although I'll look at lists to see if anything catches my eye (and I'm looking forward to the Booker longlist, so I guess haven't given up completely), they're no longer going to determine my TBR.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I think the Pulitzer inadvertently supports questions like yours by hiding the jury until the prize is revealed. They say it’s to prevent campaigning for the prize, but somehow the juries for The Women’s Prize, the Booker, etc are public and don’t worry about this. It ends up working against them to be so secretive.
@marciajohansson769
@marciajohansson769 20 дней назад
Tell us how you really feel about this book!!! Dang. What a difference a year makes. I think I will finish Demon Copperhead before sneaking a peak totally born out of curiosity of how Night Watch came to win. I am skeptical though with the trigger warning about the explicit depiction of the SA. I just finished an audio book The Golden Boy by Abigail Tarttelin with a disturbingly detailed SA scene in this story about an intersex teen. I think theses scenes do not need to be so graphic to get the point across. I knew little about the book other than a booktuber highly recommended it as an audio book. The narration was excellent but lowered my rating overall due to this flaw in my mind. Glad you are back home safely from your trip. It looks like you and Joel had a great time. Be well. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜 Happy Pride Month 🥰
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Happy Pride Month! I hadn’t heard of The Golden Boy but I can definitely say that I’ve had my fill of explicit SA scenes for a good long time. Yikes. ❤️🏳️‍🌈🥂📚
@sebastianromero7085
@sebastianromero7085 17 дней назад
Yiyun Li is an outstanding author & should def win a pulitzer one day, though unsure if she’d be ur cup of tea just from what you post on the channel (i think you said u didnt like/finish Where reasons end, that’s why im saying this haha not tryingto say like omg she’s so above you or anything 😂)
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
I read Where Reasons End for the BookTube Prize a while back and yes, I really did not get on with it. I can see why other people respond to her but as you say, she's probably just not my cup of tea.
@jacquelinemcmenamin8204
@jacquelinemcmenamin8204 20 дней назад
I don’t mind when the Pulitzer awards the prize to a book no one has heard off; but it has to be a good book. I can’t remember who it was who read and reviewed it on booktube last year? I do remember they didn’t like it. I don’t know why the Pulitzer does that and it’s not the first time. Who is on the judging panel? Are any of them under 90 yrs old?
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I am starting to think that the Pulitzer’s old-school, secretive process is a problem and not a quirkily different approach.
@kimswhims8435
@kimswhims8435 19 дней назад
I read Night Watch after it won, and enjoyed it, I found it interesting, but yes, it won't make my favourite reads this year and I'm not sure it was worthy of the Pulitzer Prize. If it hadn't won the Prize it wouldn't have really come to my attention at all. I'm not American and not invested in the prize at all but I take enough notice that I'll generally read the winner.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I do have some questions about how the Pulitzer operates, and I'll get into them in a future video, but I will continue to follow the prize closely.
@Nina_DP
@Nina_DP 20 дней назад
🎶 noooobody does it bettttter 🎶 Of course I am referring to your book tossing skills. Well, the book sounds truly awful. If I weren't already convinced not to read it, knowing that one of my pet peeves is well-represented ("let me just randomly shoehorn in some stuff I found while researching but can't find a place for" info dumps) will do nicely.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
It had been a while since I tossed a book in disgust! Jayne Anne Phillips joined John Updike and Joshua Cohen in a very exclusive club. 😂🤣
@steveurick3044
@steveurick3044 19 дней назад
you tossed it!!!
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
🤗
@Rachelandmarley
@Rachelandmarley 20 дней назад
Didn’t get this award at all. Have read several positive reviews, still don’t get it.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I guess there's always next year.
@Itismebruna
@Itismebruna 20 дней назад
Totally trust you and won't be reading this one... Lots of questions about the Pulitzer prize and board itself, and where we are going from here...
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I am starting to think that the Pulitzer needs to update its process ASAP.
@shawnbreathesbooks
@shawnbreathesbooks 20 дней назад
🍿 🍿…
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
🤗🤗🤗
@jaysfarrell
@jaysfarrell 20 дней назад
I had this on my TBR and it has been swiftly removed. I’ve often wondered why you’re so keen on the Pulitzer? It sounds to me like it’s a book award managed by a bunch of people who are well behind the times - and the views of us minions….
@andreluissoriano
@andreluissoriano 20 дней назад
We will never fully agree with book prizes but they at least attempt to judge merits of books based on their criteria. Pulitzer just last year recognized Demon Copperhead and Trust, which are both really great. It’s a miss this year (or so they say, I haven’t read Night Watch myself), so we will then wait for next year. If we will not follow and support book prizes, it’s gonna be net negative for books that attempt to go beyond bounds of what’s currently popular.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I talk about my history with the Pulitzer a lot in my deep dive on Interpreter of Maladies. The short version is that Interpreter had been recommended to me, and the “winner of the Pulitzer Prize” stamp made me feel safe reading it. I loved it, and then tried a couple of other books with the Pulitzer stamp (in a time before social media book recommendations) and had similar success. That made it a prize I began to follow every year, and now here we are.
@deirdrebeecher3508
@deirdrebeecher3508 18 дней назад
I think book prize juries/boards who are supposed to be awarding for the best book, have to fiercely resist the temptation to give a lifetime achievement award. The Booker in the 90's/00's went through a phase of this when I was a young reader, Amsterdam by Ian McEwan and Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha by Roddy Doyle won even though they are those respective authors worst books. For me I completely lost trust in the Booker and it is only in recent times I've come back to an interest in their longlist.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
I think the most unfortunate thing about a book-prize-as-lifetime-achievement-award is that not only does it cheapen the experience for anyone following the prize, it can breed resentment for the author. I feel like I have to keep reminding people (and myself) that Louise Erdrich should have already been a Pulitzer winner at least once.
@duckylittledictum6149
@duckylittledictum6149 20 дней назад
You fail to mention that it was longlisted for the National Book Award, a Best of the Year from the New Yorker, and received a star review from Kirkus. In all fairness . . .
@audreyh7892
@audreyh7892 20 дней назад
I thought he said it was longlisted for the National Book Award.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I actually did mention that it was long listed for the National Book Award. The thing about the New Yorker is that their best books of the year list is like a hundred books long, so to me it loses a lot of meaning. And a lot of books also get started reviews from Kirkus each year. So to me, two out of the three aren’t really barometers of greatness.
@duckylittledictum6149
@duckylittledictum6149 20 дней назад
@@audreyh7892 My mistake Sorry.
@duckylittledictum6149
@duckylittledictum6149 20 дней назад
​@@SupposedlyFun It also received a rave in the WSJ by Sam Sacks, who chaired the Pulitzer jury. Which might have been some foreshadowing of its Pulitzer love.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
@@duckylittledictum6149 That's fair! I don't mean to say that it's impossible for anyone to like Night Watch. I just really didn't. And while it wasn't completely unnoticed, it definitely felt like it came out of left field.
@arp711
@arp711 20 дней назад
Authors who insist on using graphic depictions of sexual assault always make me very leery. I've read books that have included assault scenes that were not graphic at all and not exploitative and yet still managed to get across the gravity and horror of it in a way that felt like someone wanting people to understand what that experience can do to a victim. The more gratuitous and drawn-out it gets, the more it becomes clear that the author doesn't give a damn about victims, only shock value.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
I definitely think this is a case where it tipped into shock value. I would have gotten the point with a great deal less detail.
@hayleystenger2799
@hayleystenger2799 20 дней назад
Honestly, one of my least favorite books I have read. I felt emotionally manipulated without any payoff. I agree with so much of what you said. I liked the Pulitzer picks for non-fiction so much, it is a shame they went this way for fiction.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I do think the Pulitzer did a great job on the nonfiction side this year.
@matthewbrown7748
@matthewbrown7748 19 дней назад
I was sad that THE ART THIEF didn’t get any love. That book is exquisite.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
@@matthewbrown7748 That did sound like a good book.
@TKTalksBooks
@TKTalksBooks 20 дней назад
I have lost faith in the Pulitzer.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I don’t think I’ve gone that far (yet), but I am starting to think the Pulitzer needs to restructure to get with the times.
@dqan7372
@dqan7372 20 дней назад
Arrrrgh! The "career win" strikes again. Or so it would seem to me ('me' being a guy who hasn't even read the book...). Does a future 'career winner' lurk among authors of the deserving but overlooked novels of 2023? Do "career wins" help an author? Should we all have just read "Lark & Termite" instead? 🤷🏼‍♂ Gotta keep reminding myself: “A book read by a thousand different people is a thousand different books.” ― Andrei Tarkovsky
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I feel like some people call Barbara Kingsolver a career win, and I think people would say the same if James McBride or Ann Patchett had won-but the difference is they would have won for great pieces of work that feel like they belong in the Pulitzer canon. The problem is when someone wins for a not-so-great book (William Faulkner won both of his Pulitzers for lesser books of his published much later in his career, and more recently you have Louise Erdrich and now Jayne Anne Phillips. The career win only works if the author won for a good book. But as your quote suggests-reading by is subjective!
@ProductionsFromBeyon
@ProductionsFromBeyon 19 дней назад
The first Saw movie is high art; the rest not so much
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
😬 😂
@erinh7450
@erinh7450 20 дней назад
Yeah, I have no interest at all in this book, and you and Eric CA both having angry rants about it hasn't increased my interest! 😂 On the other two finalists, I've been somewhat interested in Yiyun Li's books (newest hadn't been on my radar, though), but haven't ever actually gotten to one, and I did just finish *Same Bed, Different Dreams* , which I did really enjoy, but I'm not sure is a Greg book, as like *Biography of X* it plays with alternate history (not so much SciFi; the most is a shadowy Google-esque company who's inserting AI and tracking type stuff into everyone's lives). The one Pulitzer winner I'm very interested in this year is *Liliana's Invincible Summer* by Cristina Rivera Garza, which won for Memoir/Autobiography. I'm guessing each category has a different jury deciding the winners?
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Yes, each category has a different jury. My understanding is that the Board divides into sub-groups to select winners for all the different categories. I did read a different book of Yiyun Li’s a few years ago (Where Reasons End), and really did not like it at all. That’s kept me away from reading any of her other books, but maybe at some point I’ll try again.
@carlatae48
@carlatae48 17 дней назад
I enjoy your channel as one of the best on fiction and respect and often share your opinions. Even when I don’t, I find them thought-provoking and fair. But I have to say I was shocked and dismayed by this one. There is more than enough hatred in the world but I never expected to find it here, however honest yours for Night Watch is. While I don’t entirely disagree with your criticisms- they are fair- your tone and tossing of both the book and all of the author’s past work, much of it unread, is not. And hate has no place in fair and constructive criticism. I understand your frustration with the Pulitzer and judges but felt you were more fair to it and them than the author of the book chosen. Whatever Jane Anne Phillips mistakes and faults in Night Watch, choosing it to win the Pulitzer was not one of them. You went too far IMHO, but everyone makes mistakes, and I’m not dismissing your past and future good work because of it. Just felt compelled to say this, and I seldom am so moved to do so. And I hope you will understand why I did.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
Respectfully, I don't think the intense dislike you feel is directed at Jayne Anne Phillips so much as a book that I really did not like. And as with any book that I don't like (including Gone With the Wind), people are allowed to try this book for themselves and see if they like it better. Tossing a book is something I have done before (and likely will do again)--but reserved for cases when I think a book does something particularly egregious. John Updike has previously earned a book toss, for example. In this case, I think the extended, prolongued agony of the sexual assault scene alone earned the toss. If an author does something that I feel merits criticism, I am allowed to express that. Especially when I feel an author has gone out of their way to inflict trauma on their readers, I don't feel there is always a need to be polite in that criticism. As for getting rid of the backlist titles I had purchased, again: that is not a universal judgment call on Jayne Anne Phillips. As I explain in the video, I just do not feel like I personally want to explore her work further based on this reading experience and the fact that a closer look at those titles made me realize I will likely run into the same problems I had with this book. Plenty of other people have commented that they either liked this book or past books of Jayne Anne Phillips and I have told them all that I'm glad they enjoy her work more than I did. I've even had people comment wondering if they should read Night Watch when they've liked other books of hers, and I've encouraged them to give it a try. I have criticized many books in the past and will do so in the future when I feel it is warranted. Being fair doesn't mean you have to like everything. Like anyone else, I am allowed to express displeasure and, indeed, irritation.
@carlatae48
@carlatae48 17 дней назад
I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't disagreeing with your criticism of the book, even said it was fair and I agreed with most of it. Displeasure, irritation -- fine. It was the hate I objected to.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 17 дней назад
If I'm being fair, don't I have a right to express my opinion openly and honestly? If I have an intense dislike for something, am I not allowed to show it?
@sophietennyson4103
@sophietennyson4103 16 дней назад
such a disappointing choice ....couldn't even get halfway into it
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 15 дней назад
I guess there's always next year!
@johneggers4813
@johneggers4813 20 дней назад
I know you love the Pulitzer, but it’s the least favorite of my book awards. I honestly don’t pay attention. Give me the NBA, Booker any day
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Every prize has bad years, and this is one for the Pulitzer (for me). The problem is the Pulitzer has had a couple of bad years over the last decade, and the lack of black women as winners is ever more curious as the years go by.
@timkjazz
@timkjazz 20 дней назад
Night Watch by Jayne Anne Phillips is a masterful novel and fully deserving of the Pulitzer Prize. You are dead wrong. It's better than any of the other novels you mentioned, and yes, I've read many of the other contenders. You went in not liking the novel because it wasn't one of your favorites and thus read it hating it. Poor, poor review.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
Actually, I didn’t go in wanting to hate it at all. I invite you to watch my reaction to the prize announcement as evidence. And as I say in this very video: I had hoped this would be a case where the Pulitzer pointed me to a great book I hadn’t read yet. That is not what happened.
@user-tg8gt4nh1r
@user-tg8gt4nh1r 20 дней назад
I read it early. It made me feel like a watchman in zoo hapinscan of people who didn't get a chance to say I don't want to belong here It also felt unsafe to all the people reading a unreadable old road map. Scarred, tissues are like a very old key that well worn didn't fit key hole it was meant for. Feels like it was meant to be put away for another time until whenever....
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
It does feel like a novel that wants to make the reader uncomfortable, but I would say in all the wrong ways.
@nmmk9134
@nmmk9134 19 дней назад
This is Greg. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-38tfhSYGIVs.htmlfeature=shared My Lord Greg, you roasted Phillips. I hope she never finds this review. She might need antidepressants or alcohol.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
😂 😂 😂
@ingridfitz5677
@ingridfitz5677 20 дней назад
I’m so disappointed to hear this. I’ve watched other reviews as well and they also describe how this book fails. I ran out and bought it the day it won as that excited me. The premise of mental illness and the results of trauma that is the reality of war and the civil war, I felt is a very important issue to me. But now I’m hesitant to read it. I hate gratuitous violence for the sake of shock value or to make a point with a sledgehammer Perhaps she should have written a nonfiction book on these subjects.. I’m going to have to think about this.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 20 дней назад
I agree-very important topics. I just didn’t like the way Phillips handled them, and I’m still not sure why she structured her book the way she did or what she thinks its purpose is.
@jeanniepawlowski265
@jeanniepawlowski265 19 дней назад
You are obviously not as well read as you think.
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Why do you say that?
@jeanniepawlowski265
@jeanniepawlowski265 19 дней назад
@@SupposedlyFun You should know who Jayne Anne Phillips is. You said you didn't know her work. Just sayin' 🥰
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
@@jeanniepawlowski265 Actually, I was familiar with her work. I had heard of Lark & Termite AND I included Night Watch on my list of exciting upcoming releases for the second half of 2023. Maybe work on your listening skills instead?
@jeanniepawlowski265
@jeanniepawlowski265 18 дней назад
I do give you alot of credit for what you do, dont get me wrong. Youre great!!!
@LuvLuke954
@LuvLuke954 19 дней назад
Hey there. I found your channel while you were watching the Pulitzer winners and I was just coming from a person who had just been talking g about Night Watch in particular- so weird! They abhorred it. I don’t think I’ve ever known them to use the word hate before especially in regard to a book. So it was especially strange to not only hear the title 2 times in one day but to go from “I hated it” from a friend who loves reading everything to your video it was quite the sign for me. I won’t read it myself. Just reading its plot and my friend’s recount of it, it sounds like a desperate attempt at an author to grasp on to a glory she once enjoyed and honestly like a soap opera (btw I’m not a huge fan of East of Eden either. It’s a soap opera.) My real concern though is how this Pulitzer panel did the author no favors whatsoever. When a beloved, well respected actor receives an Oscar for a performance that we all know is most likely for a role they SHOULD have won for or for an extensive brilliant body of work- we can all agree that their work is in fact brilliant, that they’re Oscar worthy actors and almost everyone is quite familiar with most if not all of their performances and movies. This is a far cry from that. First, she IS an obscure author and I must ask why is that? She’s been writing since the 70’s and too many well read people aren’t truly familiar with her books? Now that she’s been acknowledged with such a high honor, for a book that so far not one positive reaction can be found, and the expected scathing reviews and responses to come for this (I’m sorry but just seeing those pages of unnecessary lists and pictures were an eyesore to both my friend and I) sorry showing? For a Pulitzer?? The amount of backlash and scrutiny she will receive and her friends student’s family members all have to endure with her is staggering to think of. To know you won an award that very few believe you deserve on such a high level platform? I wouldn’t wish that for anyone. I stopped following the Pulitzer a few years ago. I don’t like such an opaque approach to extending such a high honor and for there to be no rhyme nor reason nor methodology to it. It’s a prize that’s turned whimsical and unserious, and actually now more than ever a pretentious flight of fancy based on a whim. I love your channel and your deep insight into the books you discuss. Which is funny because I rarely read modern fiction. But your presentation is so knowledgeable and so engaging that I just ordered North Woods. Thank you for your honesty. It is so damn refreshing! Well done! ✌🏻💙📚
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 18 дней назад
Thank you so much for the kind words. I do appreciate that the Pulitzer operates differently from a lot of other major book awards, but it does feel that it needs to be dragged into the 21st century.
@larryyonce
@larryyonce 20 дней назад
Golden review and analysis. 🤎
@SupposedlyFun
@SupposedlyFun 19 дней назад
Thanks so much!
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