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Lauryn died and it was like no one told Shelley who was her good friend. There was no reaction from her and she carried on with life while Jaq was going through it. Very weird.

For me, Jaq stealing the food just came to a loose end, Dushane leaving a crime scene wrecklessly wasnt in his character. I feel it could have used 2 extra episodes, especially for a series finale idk

The acting was 100% greater then the scripts righters ability’s in my opinion

Heart problems, denims and 25 kilos on his back and he’s running like prime usain

Speaking as a non-UK based viewer I get that the level of scrutiny is always going to be higher in the people for whom this feels closer to home but I feel like some of these points were just them being nitpicky. Just a few things off the top: Lauren's passing makes sense if you look at it from the lens of postpartum depression. Given all the trauma she went through last season during her pregnancy, the fact that she wouldn't name the baby, couldn't find him beautiful/cute, wouldn't breastfeed, and kept thinking he looked like her ex were all big signposts spelling out that she was going through postpartum depression. Then the drug addiction just compounded everything. The fact that Jaq took her out and she had one good day doesn't undo all that. And in fact, in many cases when people suffering from depression take their own lives, it's not always when they're at the worst of it, it's when they get a little bit better and have more energy to do things. Steph being super quiet and not emotional while grieving makes sense. He's a 13-14yo boy who's just lost his parents, his best friend, his brothers (Aaron too since be basically dipped) and got placed in care. Boys aren't generally taught how to process their emotions in western society at baseline. A boy his age, and in his situation doesn't have the emotional language to grieve properly, and also doesn't even have the means to externalise his grief through violence, so keeping it all in is the most obvious thing for him to do. He was quiet and angry for most of the show except for the times he was with the girl because that's the only time he got to feel like a kid again. But I thought him not killing Sully was actually a great choice by the writers. It shows that his character has a path to growth and breaking out of the cycle of violence. Dushane going from cool and calculating when things were going his way to moving mad and making dumb choices that seemed out of character makes sense. He got double crossed and all his money was gone from one day to the next, your head would be hot too. That's a classic character arc for this type of story, Tony Montana, Michael Corleone, Walter White, Franklin Saint, they all started panicking when the walls started closing in on them and their empire started to crumble around them. Could the writing have been tighter? Sure, but this wasn't a bad choice per se. They just didn't stick the landing. And as for them feeling like someone should've been clearly anointed as the next top boy? This isn't the crown. There isn't always going to be an heir apparent. The whole point of these shows is that eventually this lifestyle consumes and destroys everyone and everything in its path. Jamie, Sully, Dushane, and a boatload of collateral damage. But they all get got eventually. There's no winning and ultimately everyone is worse off. That's the point. That's how drug dealing affects poor marginalised communities. As for them not showing who killed Sully, maybe it would've felt satisfying to put a face to the name, but it ultimately doesn't matter. He had gotten to the end of his road, had too many enemies and too few allies. It could've been one of a number of people, Si, the Irish crew, Jaq, but the trail of destruction and death he left in his path caught up to him. A story doesn't have to be a bad story because it doesn't end in a way that satisfies your own preferences. Would more episodes have been better? Maybe. But it could've also been worse. But I'd rather a show that feels like it ended leaving us wanting more than one that overstayed its welcome. If they didn't have material for 10 episodes, they made the honest choice by wrapping it up.

Doesn’t matter who killed Sully. In the prior scene, Stef didn’t kill Sully because he realised the brother was effectively the living dead. I’m pleased he didn’t do it…he saved his own life in the process. Sully was going to die at the hands of someone at some point and he knew it too… Sully was hollowed out

IMO-Shelley left Dushane because if the way he shouted at her and shut her out without an explanation of what happened to change his mind regarding the money, coupled with him threatening Mandy.

Kane's actings always gonna show more because Sully's like the most emotional guy on the show

Stefan wasn’t looking at Sullys daughter cos he was going to kill her loool .. he was just pissed because Sully still gets to be a dad like nothings happened

Kano could easily play a James Bond style role. Every seen with him is intense and captivating. The public want more!

Nah Jaq’s gf sleeping and then reacting so nonchalantly to Jaq’s return bothered me too 😂 I’d be standing by the door fucking shaking

The writer(s) either done an all-nighter or they were just incompetent. There must have been a contractual stipulation that meant Top Boy *had* to end, instead of everyone deciding its life had come to an end, which is why it felt so forced and rushed to finish. There's too much life left in the story and the characters to dead it like this, so a spin-off/reinvention may be necessary, like Half Cast dying.

Looks like the budget that was giveN for 1&2 definitely was not given to season 3. The jump from season 2 & 3 just didn't flow - the cuts that was made was very apparent. Lil simz character Shelly has a whole daughter that is nowhere to be seen & what about curtis's sister why did she not come back for her nephew? What a missed opportunity for how great season 3 could of truly been is disappointing. Even to the fact there was no red carpet roll out for the premier either.... When Ashley Walters spesks on a pod about him and kano was restricted on freedom of creativity speaks volumes and is evident. 😊

I think everybody needs to take a step back and absorb the overall message of the final season... the drug game has only sad ending for all involved.

Let me be very brutal- it does not matter who killed Sully. It could’ve been ANYONE- and that was the point. Once that happened, the show as far as we’re concerned is done. Unless you want a spinoff or somethin, there is nothing left for us in the story of TopBoy. If you wanted more than that- you’re being greedy. It’s not the show or the writing’s fault you want everything spoonfed to you. Although I do very much agree it should’ve been a longer season, it would’ve still ended the same way. A longer season gives us more with the Irish, a real proper descent into overdose with Lauren, the destruction of Summerhouse and the aftermath.

For me- I thought Tia was gunna be a major character this season. The end of last season was left with Tia walking to the block and seeing sully leave after shooting Jamie. And this season not even one mention of her!!!!! She was a great character last season.

The riot scenes killed it off!! Like, no one cared about that grandiose extras scene, for the story we wanted to see.

I didnt like the jaq robbing sulky because it was so against her character. One of the staple keys to her character is loyalty. Stated several times throughout the show. Second how is robbing sully an answer to anything. Having one of the worst people you could have gunning for you. That is better for the babys interest? Hells no!

I think Sully is more emotional than anything. He moves off of emotion.

Been waitingggg for HC Pod to discuss Top Boy. Can see why lots of viewers were left disappointed. Just so much was included that really didn’t need to be in the final season which only had 6 episodes meanwhile other storylines from previous series were neglected like the police operation where the nitties were undercover feds trying to take down all of Summer House. All in all though, my opinion of this last season of Top Boy is probably higher than everyone else’s still

One thing us as viewers need to remember is that the road life IS NOT glamorous. Whether you’re a kingpin or not, you can die in the most underwhelming and undignified manner. Another thing we have to take into consideration is that when someone is under a lot of stress and anxiety, they’re more likely to make mistakes (E.g Dushane killing that man in the flat and not ‘tidying’ up afterwards). Dushane’s character also depicts how desperation can manifest. He’s willing to avoid prison by any means necessary, even if it means stealing from your brother. And again - the roads are not glamorous. It’s a dirty game, and you can trust NOBODY. Sully has Jaq and Dushane stealing from him within what seems a 48 hour period. It’s painful, but it’s the game. Although it was rushed, I enjoyed it. But it should have been at least 10-12 episodes. I’d have really loved to see more interaction with the Irish guys and more details on Jaq’s sister death. I also would have liked to see more intimacy between Dushane and his lady, but instead we were given privy to two 15 year olds having underage sex..

Kano is s great actor, such sad eyes. Ashley was good too i felt like his character was just tired. He was over it

You guys have valid points but tbh I enjoyed it and although the whole last season was dark and gloomy, it was realistic and that’s the beauty I see in it. I just feel like the message they were trying to bring across was this is how stuff always ends when you get involved in selling drugs. Possible aiming it at the younger generation as a lot of them are not on job and just gassed because they think it’s a cool lifestyle. And so if top boy gave you guys the happy ending or fairly tale you lot wanted then what kind of message would that send to the youth. Only way to get a message across to them was na last season, in the end, errrbody gannn.

Golly!! Mimi looking real healthy over there!

I thought Dris baby mum was going to have a big storyline because she comes out of pen and is in every episode, helps move a body, starts a riot….but nothing. I was expecting some back lash from the murder of Lauren’s Baby dad, mainly the tapped sister seeking Lauren out and killing her or snatching the baby. The way the whole season was set and ended makes me feel like at some point they might try and do the spin offs/ back stories, like power.

Mimi is one of the UK's most important voices when it comes to entertainment, culture und music!!! Big up from Germany!

Anyone with half decent taste in quality shows will say the final season of Top Boy was TRASH 🗑️

Sullys role was realistic, can’t lie.

Top boy writers really had everyone in their feelings 😂😂😂😂

What happened to the undercover police detectives that were building a case against Dushane??? -I was hoping that Lizzie and lithe had something to do with how the Irish gang knew about their operation etc but no and maybe that they would go to Ireland. - Maybe Aaron could have seen Stef getting worse etc and tried to convince him that the way to honour Jamie isn’t to throw his life away. What happened to Shelley’s daughter? 😂 I felt that they sacrificed an interesting storyline to bring to light current social issues which is also important but it was too explicit

First and foremost in the most respectful way ever! Fuck the pod for a minute! Mimi looks absolutely sensational 😍. Lord have mercy! But I love this episode! And episodes with Mimi on as there's always an in depth chat. 👏🏾👏🏾

This was just a mess, no flow at all from the last season. Dushane and Shelly have no chemistry whatsoever, not even a peck. They couldn’t even make Aaron call from Uni to check in? Show us Jamie, Kit or Lauren’s funeral? Show us how Stefan got to where he was? Jaqs thought taking 1 shipment would stop drugs in the ends? Lauren’s scenes were silly, and none of the dead boyfriends family came after them again? Mandy’s daughter and Stefan what was what? Where was the girl from last season Stefans friend Tia? Pebbles? Same I thought he was gonna trouble Sullys daughter. Shelly and the shop was pointless, your so called friend died and you didn’t go to Jaqs once to show respect? And Stefan done all of that to say he isn’t worth it smh. And all this wagwarn and gwarn was terrible

MIMI LOOKING GREAT. Jack is my favourite cast and she did well

You both (Mimi and Chuckie) need to Go back and watch the previous seasons I think you’ve missed the point about the show that the story has always been about Sully and Dushane’s story - we saw their rise, reign and fall, the casualties that came with it and the emotional toll it took.

You man are forgetting Dushane got swindled for £16 million! He wasn't angry enough imo.

I said the same as Mimi....it was Rushed. Previous seasons had 10 and 8 episodes.

Just came to say... Mimi..... stunning!!!!.... also I agree. Poor ending. Disappointing.

Sometimes we need to be aware that many movies end in a way that encourages discussion. Do we have to see everything laid out. Jac stole the food because it caused her sister's death so I believe she killed Sulley before he got her and she will get out of the game with her partner and raise Lauren's son in a drug free environment. Lauren started taking drugs mixed with post natal depression and the mental and physical abuse of her baby father who she killed. It is a gritty messy life they lead, why expect it all to make sense. 😂😂😂

It was borderline shambolic, drop off from the first season of the reboot became evident in the second season so no suprises here.

Appreciate this discussion FAM. It was well thought out and you both conveyed a lot of the thoughts and feelings I have about the last season.

The person who penned the series absolutely messed up like this was written horribly, considering this multi-year saga had us glued to our seats for as long as it was. No funerals full stop had me like wtf, no send offs on the last season??? We can do a whole protest arc but no depiction of black funeral practices? No 9 night for Lauren??? Curtis's sister not making an appearance after the baby was born or at least her or someone to do with her introducing Lauren to dark would be great or even if they gave half the amount of detail to the safe sex segment of the show to Lauren's post partum (as it was never acknowledged it was that) and how it affected her would've been great. New characters introduced with no time to develop them to be killed and tbh you're trying to tell me the Irish gang only consisted of 2 man? Their whole culture prioritises community and the Irish gang only had 2 man? I find that pretty hard to believe. Low key though it was kinda hilarious the season where Sully was top boy was an absolute shambles, it makes sense because he's an act first ask questions later type person and couldn't fathom the idea of consequences to actions. Shelly's daughter going missing (because where was she lmaoo) and Dushane being hot and cold with Shelley since the beginning of top boy already tells me her wanting to start a franchise with him was completely delulu, like how did you think that was going to go? Dushane doing a 10k with no heart issues had me creasing too like it seemed like his heart condition only flared up when he was worried about money lmaooo All in all this feels like a fan with no street knowledge penned a fan fiction they adapted into the last season. There's so many choices that didn't need to be made, characters were completely off model and they needed more time to actually make this feel like a satisfying send off. I don't mind the way how it ended with the last episode as the street catches up to everyone if it was developed alot more or more logical decisions a la the last couple seasons were made

Tbf this top boy season was realistic in reality every top boy will be killed by the next top boy or in jail

In regards to Jamie, everyone needs to remember the story was never about him. It’s about Dushane and Sully, that’s why he needed to go, the focus began to shift too much. Jamie was just a character not the main in the story. No funeral for jamie? No conclusion Dushane running without heart issues was mad, adrenaline WOULD make his heart fucked even more 😂 every time he had an arena line rush his heart was an issue. Jaq with the drugs and then going back? Someone who’s more than aware of how the game goes? HUH? How on earth they thought that would make sense.. Shelly and the 9 shop nail chain but barely had a strong enough clientele for ONE shop? What sort of shit business plan 😂 also they had zero chemistry.. is that your bredrin? Your girl? Just one of the girls on the ends??? What happened to her daughter? Aaron leaving makes sense because he didn’t care to stay for his brothers anyway. He is like ‘I don’t like stress’ Dushane was acting very out of character, the murder, lizzy etc just weird They gave the gun to the white boy???¿ whyyyy would you do that? The great escape was trash.. how can he not be easily directed to the getaway vehicle? Why we’re there only 2 men.. The writing was just a little sloppy and rushed.. but it definitely had to end with Sully and Dushane, that’s how it started.

I won’t lie, I honestly thought the same as mimi, I thought Stefan was gonna get with Sullys daughter and cause havoc😂

mimi looks good still 🍽️

as someone who has watched ALL the seasons, I think this season was masterfully done. one thing I notice is topboy knows how to cycle between traditional action and elements of a psychological thriller. to me, this season was a lot more psychological. they didn't really need to rely on the same old tropes. They spoke to many themes and the physical and emotional ramifications of street life. are there more open-ended stories I am curious about of course. I still think about the Albanians that threw Michael off the balcony

Netflix should have at least let the show be released 1 episode per week. But more importantly what matters is TopBoy did deliver topics that needs to be discussed and also problems thats need to be resolved in real life.

Don’t agree with the Dushanbe comment. Have you forgotten the part where he kills the white guy? The anger proper came thru

Out of all the people you could of done this pod with you choose Mimi??? We could have waited 😅 where’s Mitch, Dan, Skitz, Tazer…. Any one of them man was needs for this

They definitely did not deliver… for this to be the last season and the ending of the story it felt poorly told and rushed … we definitely need to talk about this on our channel too …. You guys did a great job on your review enjoyed it

I definitely agree that the season felt rushed. Overall I enjoyed the season but there were many missing pieces that could have given the season more substance. Kane's acting was phenomenal and I hope gets more opportunities to film. I don't think Ashley Walters liked the script So it felt like he was just there to do the job. I've personally seen him on stage and his acting standards are top class and something felt off with some of the scenes. The story line with Lauren was weak and lacked substance, definitely could have linked that to Sully by telling the yout that he had to keep serving her even though he doesn't want to. I totally understand why Aaron wasn't in it as he didn't really have a story but we could have seen him in one final scene to close his story. I liked Stef's story, it felt quite real but again, there could have been more. All the political stuff, protesting, eviction was cool. They left us not knowing who killed Sully and that's pretty annoying.

Loved it. Basically went back to basics zero glorification. Summer house vibes. Perfect ending.

I think the reason why it was only 6 episodes because actors Probz wanted to move on, cus some people weren’t happy with the writing etc and jaq seeing the error in her ways was foreshadowed when ats was killed and she was crying on the seaside

I was waiting to see Julie Adenuga on this review. She was hilarious last time u talked about Top Boy 😂

Glow up mad. Big up Mimi! Watch the first six episodes of TopBoy Summerhouse and you'll see LEVELS! This season was dead

I always felt the age gap between dushane and Shelly was a odd fitting tbh, I was getting brother and sister vibes

Series had to end this way the usual outcome for that lifestyle

I cnt lie the way u lot explaining this with the real talk, not on some biased fake talk i give u lot credit everything u lot are saying is 100% facts we would of waited anithe year for a better final season

Gangs of London is much better than the last seasons of Top Boy.

The Aunty in the room had late stages of dementia. The nurse mentioned it in earlier scene

Mandy Luther King and Shelley’s dead nail salon story lines ruined the season. First time watching Top Boy that I had to skip scenes.

Chuckie just misusing the word discrepancy over and over 😂

It’s so stupid how they hid Silly’s killer but you see Stef walked off & wasn’t wearing green hoodie. IT WAS JAQ guys! She was telling her girl “Everything is going to be okay” fully aware Sully just killed Kieron for just lying so why would he spare Jaq for STEALING millions of $ and now sully had to kill Dushane for taking the food from Jaq on her way to sully. You can see the person running had small figure too mostly likey a women making Jaq only possibility… They’re ending the show on a High note so they started with a cycle of Top boys throughout & now ended with a TOP GIRL

What happened to the under cover nitty police. What happened to Lizzy and spirit. What happened to steffs girl bredrin . Irish story line was trying to be semi gangs of Londonish . I reckon there was meant to be at least 10 episodes but actors fell out with the writers and it was cut short. And there may may be a jaq spin off

Stringer Bell was the closest to an unemotional, intelligence-driven gangster we've seen.

Although everyone says Dushane is the top boy, I always thought sully was bc of how feared and wanted he is

I needed to see Liverpool rise!

Idris and Denzel did not act their asses off as Stringer Bell and Frank Lucas for y'all to say intelligent, cold black gangsters are super rare. I agree with Mimi's take on this season. It was a rushed job. As good as Kano's acting is, I wanted Sully to die so I was pleased on that front. He was deeply insufferable lol. They wasted Barry Keoghan, the Irish crew storyline came and go. Smh.

I think Jamie's character was intelligent and not overly emotional Everything he did had to be done Even when he had to kill Kit, it just had to be done

Jack duppy'd Sully.

Similarly to Chuckie I’m not even that hard to please in terms of movies /series , but for a season finale that was terrible & a complete disservice to the culture. I see this as an opportunity missed .

On social media people love to talk down anything, and then it often creates some bullshit narrative and others get influenced by it too easily. Yes, I've seen better shows like The Wire but to say this show was bad is nonsense.

I don't know.. I half expected Stefan to rise up to avenge Jamie. Maybe even use his grief to drive him to compete for Top boy...Also Jaq & Laurens' mum is never seen?? Defo was not terrible, maybe more anticlimactic.

These two didn’t do this conversation any justice. They’re just repeating themselves

Franklyn wern't emotional till they took his money, before that he was always calculated

i think there needed to be more people having this conversation with chuckie, Poet and my spar that does the sneaker shopping video with celebs needed to be on this as well

Mimi I swear you can get this work OMDS how beautiful is this woman.

Agree with Chuckie kano is our superhero

Someone please tell him what discrepancies means

Nobody: Jaq: say less

The thing with Sully is, when crack is part of your neurological development your behaviour to the average Joe appears strange. Live advertisement to not do drugs in pregnancy

I liked the final scene where Sully got done. Sully's answer to everything was violence. He wasn't as smart or as manipulative as Dushane, so when he finally gets done, it makes sense since he has so many enemies. The rest of the season was shit and made no sense.

I can't lie... it felt like game of thrones to me - you can tell with the way a series ends when there were issues with the writers / actors. It was clearly rushed to get it out, loads of open storylines etc. I bet Ashley wasn't happy with how they portrayed his character, they mentioned in interviews they commonly had clashes with the writing team trying to steer the characters in directions that wasn't realistic (snitching / running away or backstabbing etc)... Seems like they wanted to kill off the main characters to do a spin off to make more bread in the future, with the storylines with lithe / lizzie etc

Agree 6 episodes were way too short but within the context the characters were given a lot of things being discussed make sense. Dushane lost ALL his money, got finessed out of like 16mil of course he’s angry. Gone from being the topboy to on the run for a sloppy murder (out of character but understandably his head was gone) it’s sad how he went out but I think the theme was about this life catching up with people. Jaq lost her sister she loves to drugs that she was selling, of course she’s going to move mad. Lauryn went out too quick but it was clearly post natal mixed with murdering your baby dad when you’re not about that life.. Sully has literally never used his head. He killed glasses don (sorry forgot his name), killed Jamie. Dushane was the brains so Sully being emotional made sense. Could go on but really the script weren’t strong enough, Irish should have had a bigger role and more episodes to pad out the story. I don’t think it was as bad as people are making out but I do like that there was no happy ending because this life shouldn’t end happy if we’re being real

They tried to do the Sopranos ting with the ending and it failed miserably, episodes were rushed and was too much nonsense and not enough answers, shame that’s the end

16:00 I think it was more powerful that Dushane died such a disgraceful death, whimpering and shouting over the fence because it showed how far he had been brought down, all the reputation and fame didn’t mean anything in the end; he bled out in public like an animal. the fence itself showed the separation that had been growing and growing between them to the point that they couldn’t even see each other as brothers anymore. And of course it had to be Sully losing his temper and killing Dushane because that’s how it’s been all through their friendship, Dushane feeling bigger and smarter than Sully and Sully snapping and changing up the whole situation to try and prove himself. The season was bad overall but certain moments like Dushanes death, Lauren’s death, the madness at the care home, etc were done well imo

Police investigation revealed last season didn't even get developed.

I enjoyed this season but Jaq telling Kieron she stole from sully for no reason is the thing that was so stupid got man killed

I didn’t like all the product placement and it should have been 10 episodes apart from that I loved it. However summerhouse is still my favourite out of the series.

Unpopular opinion it was much better than last season.

And no connection with CURTIS’ people and Lauren, that story dominated last season and was sooooo good. What the hell??

My man prayed for Kano but what about Ashley Walters? Lol

Grand opening, grand closing a.k.a. The Irish in Top Boy😓

I'm a middle aged white woman. I really enjoyed this but series 3 was a bit of a let down. Praise for all the actors, some stunning talent, excellent sound track.

TOP BOY IS A TRYHARD VERSION OF THE WIRE

Mimi looking good 😍

Sully carried the whole season let’s be honest

I think they should have had the Irish gang kill Jamie early in s3 & then Sully & Dushane have a big dispute over whether they retaliate or not. Sully becomes top boy using the Irish as the supplier & Dushane along with some of Jamies boys trying to take them down ultimately giving Sully a dilemma of backing his connect or backing Dushane. Jaq could have also been caught up in this between her desire to be ton the roads & her moral dilemma of getting out of the life after the Liverpool gang have been down & killed Lauren.

They shoulda run it like Dubplate Drama, do alternative endings each week and the audience chooses 😂💯💪🙏