Did we find the counter to the Coustillier? 

I think you are looking for Dauts channel xd

this counters everything!

My exact thought when he quick walled houses to trap the costilliers near his woodline

And without thumb ring. lmao

Once enough players have bought the xpac lmao

Well they're bugged so yeah. If they currently have access to husbandry though then I could see them losing that as a nerf

That drives me crazy. I've been trying to sheep scout, like the pros, but every time I wind up distracted, & I realize too late that 5 vils went to 1 sheep, and 1 vil went to another.

drake and josh reference

Camel Archers get nerfed *

dev: we should make the coustillier stronger

Exciting.

Nop

yes to that and also dont allow them to have the charge already loaded when created. Besides they shoulnt being loading the charge while fighting or standing ground, but instead only when running

@@amkathegod8422 Only when standing still would make more sense. Also no charge damage on siege.

Maybe have them lose the charge-bonus if you switch their target before hitting it... so the charge is more commiting :D

No charge damage on bills either lol

Its not. Everytine a new civ gets added everyone screams op game breaking then a few weeks later everyone is over it and it's forgotten and the game gets patched. Happens in pretty much every game when new shits added.

The sooner the better. I'm sure Burgundians are still viable and even A tier if you replace Coustillier with elephant archer

they should def reduce charge attack a lot and reduce hack armor (imo a hit and run unit should have a decent amount of pierce armor). after that i think they are fine

@@darkale658 I see what you mean. Hopefully the devs will find a way to make it work. It's gonna be very hard to make this unit neither op nor useless and find the right balance :)

I think they should just make the charge +24/32 attack, increase the attack to 9/12 and reduce the speed by half for a few seconds after charging. This stops hit and runs, encourages them to stay and fight and they cant 1 shot monks or villagers in castle age.

@@obsidian5475 yeah that sounds OK. No one shot to monks or vils in castle age, no bonus vs archers. What matters is that each civ should have a cost effective counter for straight up fights (pikes, camels and monks should be viable) and that playing open vs Burgs does not expose you to losing 5 vils at a time every 30 seconds.

Also DON'T REDUCE THE PIERCE ARMOUR, a unit titled 'good vs archers' should have 1 pierce armour. It would die with 29 arbalest arrows. Which isn't that good.

I can definitely imagine that they underestimated HOW op the charge is because they hadn't certain applications in mind when designing it. However, I agree that the general concept of releasing civs very/too strong is probably by design

If the bonus damage vs archers is a bug, then there is no way they could know. In prolonged fights, Coustellier have lower dps than other similar units. In an even fight, they will get outdamaged by things like knights. The real benefit is that they are able to get a good chunk of their damage upfront, which could allow them to very quickly take out a few units and therefore have a numbers advantage, that is their real strength, but they have to hope that they kill enough units upfront that their lower stats don't cause them to lose regardless.

I am seriously wondering if it is part of the business plan. Create a new DLC with OP faction, sell DLC, nerf faction to reasonable levels.

@@cptant7610 Do you think people buy DLC just because the civ is op? Do you think people *wouldn't* buy the DLC if the civs weren't op?

Are you sure? I heard "not warm-up" 😂

They are not able to use charged attack vs buildings already

Yes lets add a gazillion exceptions and variables to the charge mechanic. Terrible idea game design wise.

Luis Guilherme yeah I don’t think it’s a terrible idea. I actually like it a lot. Having it apply to certain units is just slightly different than any other bonus damage.

@@DrRobGilles maybe it should have been like the Zealot in StarCraft? A weak trash unit that specializes in killing ranged, munks and villagers but is in the same time easily contured by knights, helbards etc. Basically a light caw with charge.

@@DrRobGilles Except it isn't logical and intuitive. Saying that spearmen doing extra damage to cavalry is "Just another bonus damage" isn't quite true. I agree with you that the unit isn't actually overpowered but rather just a bit overtuned. But if you remove the only advantage the unit has in the game, then you'd need to increase it's damage because it would never be able to kill a monk before convert with the shit damage it has, and it wouldn't be able to kill villagers ever either. It would be only a combat unit and it's not meant to be a strong combat unit. Once the charge is over it is like you said, a steppe lancer. It almost loses every matchup in the game on equal resources. Why would you ever make a steppe lancer when you have paladins?

@@MotRi1986 I dont know what you're on about, the zealot beats almost every other T1 and T2 unit in starcraft, it's hardly a trash unit. The zealot is more like a huskarl than a pikeman.

How exactly will it pay out? We have learned that completely unbalancing a game and failing to fix the bug after multiple weeks makes players angry. We have learned that devs will always err massively on the side of "way too strong" with new civs, to the point where people can reliably win their first game with them against similarly ranked players, and carry on with super high win rates. So much learned.

@@lbridet it's all about selling the DLC...

It's that simple. They also lose to walling and going paladins. And once the bug is removed then CA will also be somewhat effective against them as you could see how Camel archers won with the bug. They're not as strong as people are screaming they are, it's just that the unit is bugged and does double damage to a lot of the units supposed to counter them.

Spamming yes, cost effective, no. They one shot pikes and halbs and snowball their numbers advantage. The only reliable cost effective counter is camels (and maybe ranged units if they fixed the bug).

it is not befitting aoe

@@bedirhandilen 2

Or just make the charge attack damage them too when they hit pikes

The classic FC into UU but executed by viper

@@EsquivadorDePala nah but the game clock was definitely moving faster. I need to double check that

The normal game speed ist already faster than the wall clock. So 13 min in the video might be 18 in game or so

@@NeinStein Ohhh. Thanks, there is hope afterall

nerfed

@@nadaianis No it is too weak.

I think TheViper needs some nerfing

with your philosophy aoe2 will stagnate, never change, and then die.

@@philipkelly7369 with your philosophy the game should have 100 civs at some point with wildly different mechanics

Same with me. I am not interested to play the game after the new expansion. It seems the dev is such a childish brat. The reasonable charge should be capped at double dmg.

Agree. I'm playing only campaigns at the moment. Also, performance is low after the updates. I played 1st and 5th Le Loi scenario and it's laggy sometimes.

I dont see them being that useful as the cousses can still just hit and run

@@mikaj1462 They can't take fight as effectively, because they can't oneshot them.

Covid needs to be nerfed. Or maybe buff monk healing speed

They should do a replay with full view, the camera moved by the commentators. Viper's view is boring.

He didn't have the eco to constantly make camel archers + pikes. And pikes alone are not effective vs coustilliers

@@bva0 Still couldn't have hurt to have a few in his eco and a few out by his castles. Nobody ever said pikes were effective. What they are is expendable.

@@bva0 I've also seen him play with Malay fishing boats on Serengenti. He's not always altogether serious. It's on this channel 5 months ago as something about "Malay fishing dream"

The bug aside, they are a more polarized mixture of a knight and a light cav. I do hope the charge mechanic becomes more interesting than charge every X seconds and that the bonus damage varies according to factors and favours some prep and decision rather than just microing to reduce arrow damage

The rest of Burgundian civ is absolute shit though

The same shitting happened when Last Khans came out. They make new civs OP and the game turns into a pay to win for a month, then they nerf them. Let's expect this for the next expansions in the future, unless playerbase get sick of the shitting and refuse to play (thing is unlikely to happen I see). I don't blame devs and game designer for this. It's the publisher who tells them this strategy. Forgotten Empires said long ago they were done adding civs, and 35 were enough. Did they changed their mind now? I don't think so, Microsoft is behind this.

@@petrorlov2599 they have interesting things even outside of broken unique units

If you have a big fight without micro on either side the coustilliers are actually worse than normal cav.... But yeah if you dont micro at all and the enemy micros his coustillier, sorry for your loss, same would have happened against cav archers etc 11

@@jahrazzjahrazz8858 it’s not that people don‘t micro at all but just not a comparison level. Most players can mange to run in and run out again. That’s not hard. And even with good micro, to quote viper here „my game is about not fighting the cous.“! You think that’s healthy? It’s just not a mechanic that fits in this game period.

@@davidsimon3078 Dude the reason why viper had to be so delicate here was the bug that makes coustillier cause double damage to archers.... If they dont do enough damage to oneshot archers anymore, whats wrong with this mechanic? People here complain like it is an inherently broken and impossible to balance thing while the coustillier is not even hotfixed, let alone balance patched....

@@jahrazzjahrazz8858 not saying it’s inherently broken. It’s just really not fun because it forces you to play in a specific way. You’re not allowed to push because of the hit and run yet the cous isn’t a unit that can push themselves so there’s no defending against a push. It creates this really annoying game where you’re forced into chasing them permanently and makes the game incredibly messy. No other unit has this opressive effect on the game where you’re forced into adjusting to their game as much. And i agree once the bug is gone it‘s probably balanced-ish and you can sort of beat them at their own game. but that dosen’t change the fact that it still makes for a really un fun experience.

@@davidsimon3078 You wouldnt be forced to totally adjust your game anymore if the charge damage is lowered and the double damage vs archers is removed. Cav archers will be a great counter to chase them down and survive one charged attack, a direct halberdier ram push will force the enemy to fight directly and if the charge dmg is lowered the halbs can survive more hits and properly counter the coustillier. Suddenly you have a unit that creates a lot of interesting, but balanced gameplay dynamics. I dont see how you suddenly end up at "this is unfun", its just a mechanic that you want to punish by forcing fights on the enemy instead of relying on lots of little skirmishes

Rekt

@Bogey Yes I am a skunk.

02/02/2021. 11 Days ago, quick maths

@@TheViperAOE 11

@@TheViperAOE quick maths dipbish

@@TheViperAOE bishship

I absolutely hate your kind of argument. "iT dOeSn'T fIt In MuH gAmE! ThIs Is NoT LeAgUe oR cOd!" The timer is 45 seconds, not 8 seconds. The 'even MORE' damage is a bug. And if the red colors on the model was any indication then it would be the DLC was forced out before it was ready. The absolute behaviour of the AoE2 community these last few weeks is even worse than the League community was in its hayday, reading your comment made me sorry that the developers have to deal with people like you on a constant basis. It's one thing to give ciritque, it's another to act like an entitled know it all asshole. I've been embarrased to have considered myself part of this community after how it reacted to this DLC. Even fortnite had a better reaction to their game being shut down for an entire day, replaced with a black dot. And they were kids. You're a grown adult. The fact that you people have no shame. You bring nothing to the table but hate. I really expected better from an old and closely knit community. I guess Starcraft spoiled me rotten with how kind and caring their players was 20+ years after release. Shameful.

@@starcraft2own "critical analysis that doesn't fan peoples bottoms and give people candy pops to make them feel better" Oh no the shame.

@@darkranger116 I gave it a thought about how you would respond to my comment, if you were at all going to. Would be that you would try to veil your empty "This is bad" as critical analysis when you said absolutely nothing of substance. You can pretend that what you said could even hold a modicum thought. The only thing people like you achieve is to make the devs overnerf the unit because they just want you to shut the fuck up. The only thing your little "Hot truth" could achieve is to ruin the game in another way. Being an asshole=/=Analysis All you said was something incredibly unoriginal as "This isn't league" and said "bad" in 4 different ways. But i saw no attempts to think about the problem in any meaningful way or bring up something that could have a positive impact on the problem, or bring up anything at all about a solution. A man can say a chefs food taste bad, but that doesn't mean he has a right to set foot in the kitchen or pretend he is a food critique. It takes more than that you senile old fool. So yes shame on you for thinking you even had a grain of legitimate critique.

@@darkranger116 I reread your comment and i feel like i haven't been completely fair to you. You do have a grain of legitimate critique but it's hidden in so much shit i almost missed it. (This is why it's important to not have a spastic attack when you 'analyze' something.) Reward. You inflate the numbers to a laughable degree that i could barely take you serious to begin with. But the reward you get for what you do is a bit high. So credit where it's due. But you made that point with complete bullshit and strawman arguments. And before you're going to try and defend your bullshit. You use a bug to try and justify that the unit is fundementally broken, you lie about it's stats by over 400% and completely misrepresent the one stat you got right. It doesn't have the damage output of an onager because the onager has splash damage which means the potential damage of an onager hit can be up to 500+ damage per hit and the coustillier doesn't do more than 49. That's a big fucking difference in damage output. So tell me again how you were critical in your analysis. Please.

@@starcraft2own "(This is why it's important to not have a spastic attack when you 'analyze' something.)" bro, I was literally about to say the same thing about how you analyzed my post. Small world holy cow.