A conversation between Ripley and Dallas in the Original movie clearly states that Ash was a late addition to the crew by "The Company" and nobody has worked with him before. At this point Ripley states "Well I don't trust him". It's clearly obvious Weyland Yutani knew there was some sort of species on the planet. What is not clear at the point of the original movie is wether Weyland Yutani knew just how dangerous it would be.
"It's clearly obvious Weyland Yutani knew there was some sort of species on the planet." - that's jumping to conclusions - badly - your forgetting he's an andriod
Xenomorph Universe how do you work out Im jumping to conclusions? Weyland-Yutanti were the ones who replaced Nostromos existing Science officer with Ash so Ash could find a way to bring the Alien to earth.
Yes of course the Company knew there was evidence of an alien creature of some sort on this planetoid, otherwise why go to all the trouble and expen$e to organize the Nostromo project with Ash and everything else involved? It's not jumping to conclusions to think so. I don't think the Company fully realized just how dangerous the alien creature was to humans though. That's evident when they sent colonists to live there later on. If I'm wrong then that makes for an believably, impossibly hateful Company. But whatever they knew or not, this alien was deemed quite valuable. Why? Nefarious reasons, wealth, warfare, dominance, trading, routes, mineral rights, ownership of planets, things like that. That's SOP for conquerors.
Yep. You are correct. Of you see the movie prequels (Prometheus (2021) and Alien Covenant (2017)), you will see that Wayland-Yutani knew already about the Xenomoprh.
Agreed, and that's the smoking gun - they replaced the science officer with Ash just two days before the mission, and the orders from Muther were to reroute the Nostromo so that it would intercept the signal - it was all preplanned to somehow bring back the Alien for the bioweapons division, and Ripley pretty much states that in the movie. Ash had ensured that alien/Kane was brought on board and appeared to be hiding info from the crew as well as making sure the chestburster survived. He knew exactly what they were dealing with, and only revealed it when he was damaged and could no longer continue with his mission to assist it's return. He appeared to know far more than could have been 'collated' during his time on the ship with the alien. If this wasn't a secret underhand mission to collect the alien, Ash would not have replaced the science officer, the Nostromo would not have been rerouted to intercept the signal (so they would be legally obliged to investigate) and there would not be any need for new orders as they would just follow normal 'maritime' procedures. There certainly wouldn't have been any orders saying 'crew expendable'. That to me proves they knew about the alien before they left earth. Ash being an android (also a secret) also ensured his survival as he was not a viable host for a facehugger and would be perfect to secretly do everything that was necessary to ensure the safe return of the alien. A human could not have carried out the mission without being at risk of dying while trying to accomplish that as the alien would see him as just another viable facehugger candidate. To me, this all seems like a preplanned and deliberate mission to bring back the alien undercover for the bioweapons division. WY also sent the colonists to L-426 in the hope of 'accidentally' finding the alien - they knew it was there, but not exactly where. 20 years after the colonists had arrived there (planning etc and getting the equipment there took a few years beforehand too), they then find Ripley floating in space. As soon as they know the exact coordinates, Burke gets some colonists to go and have a look - and he knows exactly what's there as well, and what will happen, just like they did in Alien, so this is another example of WY knowing what was there and wanting to 'accidentally' find a specimen, with 'crew expendable' again. The book River of Pain also suggests that LV-426 isn't an ideal planet for terraforming, as even some of the terraforming processors are getting damaged by earthquakes, so it seems it was really chosen as it had the alien. The writer also says there were some scientists placed there that knew about the alien and were ready for it should they come across one. They didn't tell the rest of the colony though, as it was a secret. So it seems the writer had a similar thought about the real reason LV-426 was chosen for terraforming and why colonists were sent.
The strongest point is I think that Weyland Yutani did nothing at all about the alien for 57 years. Doesn't make sense. They would have sent a science ship out after losing contact with the Nostromo to retrieve the specimen.
Read the novelization of “Alien.” It's all there... "Yes," Ash replied. "It was much too late, according to what the translators determined, for a distress signal to do the senders any good. The signal itself was frighteningly specific, very detailed. The derelict spacecraft we found had landed on the planet, apparently in the course of normal exploration. Like Kane, they encountered one or more of the alien spore pods. The transmission did not say whether the explorers had time to determine if the spores originated on that particular world or if they had migrated there from somewhere else. Before they were all overcome, they managed to set up the warning, to keep the inhabitants of other ships that might consider setting down on that world from suffering the same fate. Hopefully mankind will encounter them again, under more pleasant circumstances." (He had previously confirmed that "Company specialists already knew that the transmission was a warning and not a distress signal.") The reason for the Nostromo being sent to investigate the signal, per Ripley: "Importation to any inhabited world, let alone Earth, of a dangerous alien life form is strictly prohibited. By making it look like we simple tug jockeys had accidentally stumbled onto it, the Company had a way of seeing it arrive at Earth 'unintentionally.' While we maybe got ourselves thrown in jail, something would have to be done with the creature. Naturally, Company specialists would magnanimously be standing ready to take this dangerous arrival off the hands of the customs officers, with a few judicious bribes prepaid just to smooth the transition." In his reply, Ash affirms that "Company policy required your unknowing co-operation. What Ripley said about your honest ignorance fooling customs was quite correct," and that "It wasn't personal on the Company's part. Just the luck of the draw." Also...... Ash: "As to your lives, I'm afraid the Company considered them expendable. It was the alien life form they were principally concerned with. It was hoped you could contain it and survive to collect your shares, but that was, I must admit, a secondary consideration." And also: "No. It was honestly hoped that you would survive and contain the alien. The Company officials simply had no idea how dangerous and efficient the alien was."
The real question is: what turned the signal on? The radio signals only transect the shipping lanes at the time of the Nostromo's return. If it had been running for years other ships would have detected it.
Maybe they did. 1) Perhaps they realized they could nothing about it ala Parker's argument or 2) they realized it was a warning. Of course, if it was a warning to stay away then why even bother transmitting a warning as the chances of someone finding out about it were slim.
The Nostromo was "rerouted to new coordinates" meaning the ship was already off course and the crew sent to what became LV-426 deliberately. The really big question for me is, how did the Company come across the signal in the first place? Was it really picked by the Nostromo (which I doubt) or did some other Company ship get there first but, realising the signal was a warning of some kind (which Mother had partly figured out in Alien), the Company then decided to place Ash on board a ship that would be passing close by to investigate the signal, and bring back the life form they knew of but very little about.
Dallas told Ripley shortly after the facehugger detached that Ash was put on the crew replacing the previous science officer two days prior to setting off. That implies that the Nostromo didnt stumble upon the signal but were intentional led to it, probably by mother/ash/dallas
"You still don't know what your dealing with do you..Perfect. Organism. It's structural perfection is only matched by its Hostility. I admire its purity. Lack of conscience. Remorse. Or Delusions of Morality..."
Since Prometheus, I have assumed that David, Vickers, and Peter Weyland, were sending intel to their company, under highly classified security details of their mission. Don't forget, it took several years from Shaw's first contact with Peter, to finally having built a ship and created this mission from scratch for the sole purpose of finding 'God', or eternal life in Weyland's head. Despite the millions of miles or light years between Earth and their current destination, I also expected that David not only had a memory bank, capable of holding an infinite amount of data, but he could also have the ability to have a very advanced version of the Cloud. So in my opinion, there is no doubt whatsoever, that the Weyland corporation, which soon became Weyland-Yutani were aware of this at the highest levels. An Area 51 situation but far more sinister. I find it a very obvious decision to send out a ship under the guise of refining mineral ore. Far better to send out a cruddy, rag tag team of ruffians, to check out the beacon and possible link to whatever data the Weyland, company received after the failure of Prometheus. If things went wrong, as they did, it would be much easier to create a cover up, rather than advertise to the entire nation like in Prometheus, that there was further investigations going on. We don't know who set that beacon yet. All we know is there are about 70 family's living on LV-426. Now whether they were sent there in the hope of an attack of some sort, who knows. It appeared to me that the corporate bosses, genuinely had no idea about this alien life form that Ripley was describing to them. But from such a big, successful company, even these big wigs, are really just grunts in the tier system of Weyland-Yutani. They wouldn't have had a clue, those families were sent there to terraform, and I believe that the people in their ivory towers watched and waited, hoping for something to pop up, or out of someone's chest. There is no amount of money that a military firm would refuse to pay in order to bring Xenomorphs back with them. Nobody would question the missing colonists, or the staff and colonial marines. So to surmise, if we're to believe that there is going to be another movie after Covenant, then somewhere between then and the first Alien film, somebody crashed on that planet in the Juggernaught, but not without sending out a warning beacon to stay away first. And finally, Ash. Of course he was intentionally put on that ship to make sure his secret mission succeeded. He was probably an older model, as he did have a few loose screws, no pun intended. :) In fact, his ethos is identical to David’s. When asked how to kill it, Ash smiles with almost adoration (despite his decapitated head) and responds by stating, ‘You can't kill it. It is the perfect organism. Indestructible, I admire it… you have my sympathies.”
the movie Aliens (1986) proved they were not as invincible as Ash said they would that they could be beaten at price. it appears that aliens hate fire i wonder why? them M41A pulse rifles should have incendiary rounds loaded into them in them in Neil bloomkamp's film instead of explosive tip caseless
Uh, YEAH, Weyland Yutani was aware of the alien and it's nature. Ash said so in very plain english, as I recall. And yes, they fully intended to bring the alien back to earth. He said that, too, in very plain english.
To me it all comes down to communication. I think it is established lore in Alien universe that they do not have FTL communication or at least they do not have instant comms with the Company so Weyland-Yutani would have had to transmit special order 937 well before the crew was even woken up. Also, why was the usual science officer replaced with Ash just before departure from Thedus. I am sure id we get the last prequel movie we will find out for sure my guess is they had specific knowledge of what was on LV-426 and had planned to divert the Nostromo before it even left space dock on Thedus. The more compelling question for me is Why the Nostromo (a space tractor-trailer) and not a dedicated research or military vessel. Maybe to keep it low profile but knowing what was on LV-426 at that time you would think they would have sent in professionals and taken all precautions.
One of my gripes about the movie. (I like griping.) If this was 'truckers in space," then why the elaborate medbay? Why the self-destruct mechanism? How many 18 wheelers do you know have a self-destruct on it? But still...what a great movie.
Ash came close to stating as much and the new content on the Alien Covenant features really makes it clear that David informed the company of the alien life forms.
There's a scene in the book and movie, when they put Kane in the medical unit. Dallas asks what the dark spot on Kane's lung is and Ash replies it's probably just a spot on the lens. That seems like Ash is covering for the critter. Lambert and Ripley have a conversation about Ash and when Dallas is asked about him he replies that his regular science officer was pulled two days before the mission and replaced with Ash, no reasons given.
I'm going to say this a lot, the story that we have to analyse is the story published, not what could have been otherwise you end up with loads on contradictions. The story we see is the story on film. Dialogue not used was not used for a reason, just like deleted scenes etc. There was also scene shot of Ripley and Dallas having an affair, but again not in the released version.
Yes of course he is. He keeping an eye on him because he knows he has an alien inside of him. He knows because he's been scanning him, but this doesn't mean he was sent there to pick the alien up.
Wayland Yutani more than likely had recording tech everywhere in the Nostromo. Not to mention Ripley spilled the beans on the Alien to the company suits in the beginning of Aliens.
Just because the different parts of information & facts seem to contradict each other is in fact what keeps the mystery going & makes Weyland-Yutani such a great villain, even if we barely even see them, just their representatives in the field. There's never been any doubt in my mind that Ash replaced the original science officer just days prior to Nastromo leaving Earth strictly to get this thing. Everything he does in the movie speaks volumes of that he knew, more or less anyway, what it was, where it was gonna be found & maybe even how dangers it would be. He even prevents Ripley from warning the away team before Kane gets attacked when she had figured out that it wasn't in fact a distress signal but in fact a warning to stay away. He protects the alien in its different version all the way through to his own end. And that his special order includes "Crew Expendable" can only be a very well known added detail strictly from the company added to whatever Mariana laws in space or SETI protocol there might originally have been. Ash always knew, at least roughly, what they were walking in to & made damn sure it happened. What contradicts all this is indeed the 57 years between Alien & Aliens. Indeed, why didn't the company just send more crews, this time far more prepared & better equipped, during all this time? This sounds stupid, especially for such a ruthless & greedy company such as Weyland-Yutani. But both first films do mention what may seem like a minor problem but is in fact a big one for them. The quarantine. They MUST smuggle whatever alien they find pass the quarantine. They could just bribe the right people, of course, but that is never bullet proof. They can't get caught no matter what, especially if an outbreak occurs outside their own control. They must be able to blame someone else. And it's safe to assume that Weyland conducts a lot of other illegal & morally questionable operations out in space besides the Xeno project, they don't want anyone investigating them deeper. Further more, even if this is indeed retconning, Scott's Alien prequels suggests, especially in the material surrounding the films, that David even sends detailed information back to the company of the black goo & all his experiments etc, strongly suggesting they indeed always knew. And then there's the game Alien Isolation & the prequel novel to Aliens, River of Pain. Both these stories suggest that Weyland knew more or less what they had found but not exactly where. They knew the signal the Nostromo picked up came from that system but which planet? Isolation deals mostly with the Nastromo's flight recorder & how that made the Sevastopol station the next target for the outbreak since they, too, found the derelict & brought the aliens with them. River of pain, even more so in the audio version, clearly states that they build that colony on LV-426 because that was the strongest candidate planet to where the derelict could be. For some reason they have problems scanning that world from space. Once the colony is established, a Weyland-Yutani science team settles at Hadley's Hope to do more research directly on sight. They, too, know there is something to be found but not exactly where. But they had full knowledge of the Nastromo's fate long before Ripley was even found. Newt's family was just a very long line of wild catters looking around LV-426. And they found the derelict at last just because Ripley had been found & Burke used her information to lay the final piece in the puzzle. One can absolutely argue against their inability to find the derelict on their own way much sooner, even without the need to establish a colony first that took decades to complete. But, again, it falls back to getting the aliens through customs & the quarantine. It is a contradiction that a company like Weyland-Yutani, that coldly sacrifices both their own people & resources for this alien, also has the immense patience to wait half a century for their next chance. And all the explanations have been told in retrospect. I guess the contradiction can only be blamed om Cameron for pushing the story 57 years ahead so he could have his own look & vision. But I still never wanna put any blame on him because, as I said originally, it keeps up the mystery, adds to the realism that space travel etc do take time, & when so many added stories have said that the company didn't know exactly where to look it does explain, if you want to, the 57 years of "doing nothing", which is in fact not true at all if we include Isolation & River of Pain. And, for me personally, just because Weyland-Yutani is so cold yet also patient to get their alien, it just makes them even more terrifying. basically as terrifying as the aliens themselves. And gives full gravitas to what Ripley states to Burke in Aliens; "I don't know which species is worse. You at least don't see them (the aliens) fucking each other over a god damn percentage." My conclusion is that the Nadtromo's last trip was perfectly planned. Ash is placed on board the last second, with his special programming & directive. This might also explain why they received the signal, or took a course close enough to that system on the way back to Earth instead of when they headed out just in case they wouldn't pick up anything & therefor the trip wouldn't be a waste. All this was planned based on what happened in Prometheus & Covenant. Look at Covenant's extra material & you know David DID send detailed info back home, even in his own name. What we are missing is how the story moved from LV-223 to LV-426. But it's still the same system. Probably the Nastromo wasn't originally planned to go this close to this system but was redirected on the way back just in case they pick up something & if they do, Ash is there to take care of it. And if they find something, crew is expendable. Once the Nastromo experiment didn't work out the company still had their old intel. And who knows, did Ash report back to Earth just as David did, letting the company know just how dangerous this alien was? Maybe Weyland decided on a more careful approach? Why bring the alien home right away when it can grow, spread & establish itself on sight first? Maybe they can study it there, safely away from Earth? The colony, the much added info in River of Pain & even the 57 years makes more sense when you look at it that way. Since we never ever learn who these coldblooded company people are, with exception of Burke that I feel was never more than a middle man anyway trying to get ahead, we can never say for sure how dumb or smart they were, what info they actually had & how much. But it sure makes them the best most faceless, unknown villains I have ever heard of! The aliens are not the villains in this franchise, Weyland-Yutani is. But we never learn who is actually pulling the shots, even across generations. David was the android gone rogue. Ash was the android secret agent perfectly planted. Burke was the middle man trying to improve his life situation, saw an opportunity & took it. Not until Alien 3 do we see more direct intervention & yet it's still only the sent henchmen, never ever the one who gives the order. I honestly hope it stays this way.
Ash? Ash Ketchum from Pokemon? It all makes sense now. He was breeding these creatures to tame them on his way to becoming the very best. OOOHHHMMYYYYYYGEEERRRDDDDD
I think it is most likely that WY picked up the signal from the derelict on some variant of SETI, they would have been examining as many local systems as they could in every way possible to find planets/moons suitable for commercial exploitation. the thing that doesn't make sense is to divert a ship that would be as expensive as the nostromo, unless it was well insured.
It's clearly explained in the novelisation. The company were aware of both the space jockeys and the alien but not its total abilities. The plan was that the crew might survive but it wasn't a priority and when the ship arrived home the crew would take the blame for the quarantine breach. After a few bribes the company would take the alien off the customs hands. Job done.
That's a good question... WY knew the creature existed and knew quite a bit about it, (Ash's monologue about it being a perfect ruthless organism etc...) but they must not have known exactly where it was. They set up the colony close to the derelict but I don't think they knew about the derelict or they would have done something with it sooner.
Ive often wondered what the companies thinking was behind sending gorman as commanding officer in aliens. Inexperienced and almost certain to fail. But how does that benefit them? Also burke whose own safety would have been in danger. Any thoughts?
Great! Look forward too it. So many things in the ripley trilogy that was hinted at but left open. Did the xenomorph's choose the location to store the colony from hadleys hope by sheer luck or did they know it was an ideal location due to the inability to use live rounds. Classic films.
There is a conncetion with David and Ash, it may not actually be spelled but you can draw clues and theories from it, I'd go one further and now say that what if in the event of his death, Peter Weyland actually had about six androids created specifically to run his company. So no one knew for all the years, following that the Weyland Yutani Corporation was being run by androids, at the highest executive levels. Nostomo crew never twigged Ash was a robot until later on, it was implied by Hollywood that they are making them pretty close, and in Covenant, the idea behind Walter's less advanced android, was that humans were becoming abit uneasy at how advanced androids were becoming. It would make a nice twist on the whole, humans made robots to serve them, when every employee within WY would be in essence, serving androids. This is also a plausible reason for Pter Weyland himself, corporate paranoia, and the fact he never even trusted his own flesh and blood duaghter to inherit his empire, mostly because she wouldnt have carried on his name. And Weyland considered David to be the son he never had. He would only entrust that which he could control, and programme to follow his order to the letter. The ultimate twist of the creation, turning on his master. David says he believes androids are the superior race, and hates his maker human for creating him, if he ultimately seeked to destroy the human race, one main mehtod would be to use and exploit "the company" itself, to try and bring the Xenomorphs to earth to propagate the entire human race. It also shines light on the utterly ruthlessness of the mysterious company and who exactly is now running it back on earth.
TheSmashingTesticles Predator is shit hot but it has no place in a cross-over. There's a rumour that Predictor will come back into it with regards to the black goo??? but that was just a rumour.
My impression was that the company knew there was a signal and not much else. I get the impression that intelligent life in the Alien universe is incredibly rare. At least before the Predator cross overs. The potential mega-fortune that could come from first contact and sole access to alien technology would be well worth making the crew expendable even if they didn’t know exactly what was there. You use a freighter with a hidden android to minimize initial investment. If it doesn’t pan out, you’ve lost nothing. Why was there no follow up for 57 years? The deficiencies of Hollywood scripting I think more than anything. Maybe the initial planetary survey was the follow up and for whatever reason the big derelict space craft was missed…..
Not interested in the Ridley Scott shite. Anything after alien 3 is just fucking crap lol On a side note Covenant might be the last one - which is fucking great news
Be careful what you wish for, Fox could reboot the whole fuckin thing, then we all have to start again, with dull characters introduced to a cynical new audience of "casual fans". Which would fracture the fanbase entirely. Theres proof that reboots divde fans i every franchise, look at whats now happening with the Star Trek franchise. There is potential for the prequels to fit nicely into the original Alien and still keep the Xenomorph shrouded in mystery. All they gotta do is reveal in a flashback the space jockey ship, leaving from the Covenant homeworld (which would essentially be the engineer homeworld), and heading to the LV-223 planetoid to set up the research bases (all those temple-domes on the planetoid), where the engineers would study the problem of humanity. In their research, they create a viral variation of the biological weapon, which is the black goo, that contains the original DNA of the xenomorph, so whatever lifeform comes into contact with it, will eventually go through any number of evolution processes, until it results in a "morph". The Space Jockey ship is the ship carrying the original xenomorph facehugger eggs as it's cargo, but they would have left some eggs back on the homeworld. Now when the outbreak happens, the space jockey ship leaves with those original xenomorph eggs, the engineers who were killed in the outbreak were infected by the black goo, combusting their bodies from inside, but some were impregnated by morph-like creatures, maybe similar to the Deacon. One managed to get onboard that ship before it took off. The pilot got impregnated and put down on the nearby LV-426, he sent out the beacon warning others to stay away. This was the beacon Weyland's science dividion picked up, from their deep space scans, courtesy of the ECIU software. Weyland never told his crew of the Prometheus mission about the beacon he had picked up eminating from the LV-426 moon. He never told Shaw or Holloway, not even his own daughter Vickers. But Weyland planned to go there, if he didnt find what he was looking for on LV-223. So the beacon was picked up long before the Nostromo ever ventured out there, to have such a event play out connected to the outbreak that occured on LV-223, connects directly to the original Alien, maybe not interms of timeline, but atleast it still keeps the derelict ship and space jockey there for a long time, like relics untouched. Theres no other way you can really work out how WY would know of the Xenomorph, not even through Ash, unless you rebooted and went with a whole other story set before Alien. And if that happened, would just lead to all the division amongst fans, because there are many that like what was started and set in motion with Prometheus.
honestly I do not think the company meant for the colony to come into contact with the derelict, at least not at that time I think it is far more likely that Burke was a sleezeball that acted on his information without telling anyone else, he must have had some sort of pull if he were able to order the colony to check it out
blastyfs2 The company did know of the derelict. Setting up a colony on lv426 was just a cover up. The colony had only been on lv426 for a couple of decades which means they wouldn't have had time to search the entire surface. Too busy setting up the colony and the atmosphere possessor. Finding Ripley and getting the information about the derelict just sped up the process of finding it.
That is why I said "at least not at the time" >< I can't believe that WY would make such an investment on LV426 and then leave the colonists to their own devices with the strategy "yeah, we'll just let them work until they find it on accident" Such a scheme just sounds so retarded to me when they could have sent, god knows how many, probes, satellites, and rovers to map the surface of the planet and search for any abnormal heat signatures. Kane even went as far as to describe it as a tiny astronomical body. The real world has already mapped the surface of mercury, the moon, and mars using probes. I know that took time for us but it sure as hell wasn't longer than it would take to found a colony on LV426 and then terraform it to the point it was at in the movie. This is also not counting that these probes, if they were sent hypothetically, would likely have far more advanced technology than our probes of today. The best part about probes would be that there would be few, if not zero, witness' - which would be pretty damn appealing to a corporation that wants to keep an alien life form secret
blastyfs2 or a better theory. Could be that over time (57 years Ripley was in hyper sleep) information on the derelict was lost or buried. Over that time the corporation would have changed hands as old CEOs retired and new ones were employed. Certain classified Intel may have not been passed on . Hence the big search for the derelict after Ripley had been recovered. The newer CEOs could have gone routing for lost or buried Intel and ordered Burke to get the colonists to investigate.
WTF? Just swallow what you've been feed. Weak just weak story telling. "the colony had only been on lv426 for a couple of decades which means they wouldn't have had time to search the entire surface." - but in Prometheus they find a base within minutes/hours? LV426 is tiny - they stated this in Alien. "Certain classified Intel may have not been passed on." - When does this happen? Like in reality when does this happen. Companies today have hidden accounts etc - do they just loose money or patents or secret ingredients?
i think since prometheus and covenant, we can probably assume weyland knew what the crew had found. i dont think ash knew what the facehugger was, or had knowledge of the aliens however. for the simple fact that in his first attempt to remove the facehugger he tries to cut it it with a laser knife, which sends acid burning through the hull and could have compromised the ship and crew. also, as far as ash knew, could have killed the alien. he also would have kept kane in containment knowing he was carrying the chestburster. i dont the expedition was pre meditated, but once ash gave mother the data describing the specimen, weyland yutani would have recognised the descriptions and ordered mother to retrieve the creature at any cost. what i dont understand though is why mother allowed the self destruct sequence to be activated.
Not interested in the Ridley Scott shite. Anything after alien 3 is just fucking crap lol On a side note Covenant might be the last one - which is fucking great news
id like to see another alien film thats true to the original. its a shame they went so off the rails with the franchise :/ if they got someone like guilermo del toro to direct it, think it could have promise
Assuming that cost to the company was in any way a factor in their decisions and/or methods seems contrary to the extremely wealthy companies normal style of approaching anything with potential to secure them further control over government defense contracts. It's pretty well established that when it comes to financial resources the company is nearly unlimited nor afraid to fund ventures of great risk not to pay out.
However in the film Ripley detonates the Nostromo and this 'could' if circumstances were different - destroy the entire horde of specimens - was it worth the risk to save $50? Say if the Nostromo had major damage, then the entire film would have happened on the surface, not in space. Just food for thought......
Xenomorph Universe You touched on the idea that had the company been privy to what would be found by sending the crew to the surface their failure (the Nostromo crew) to capture and return the xenomorph would certainly not have been the end of their efforts. This fact and the sending of an otherwise unprepared and inexperienced crew says with certainty in my opinion that the company did not know what was to be discovered and the change in science officers was simply coincidence likely done to spark exactly this discussion we are having right now. My previous point I was attempting to say that if the company was aware they would have had no issue investing in the best ships, equipment, and crew in their mission to capture and return with the entire payload if not the entire derelict ship itself. They certainly had the means both tech and finacial to do so. Love the channel man, great content on a great film franchise/universe.
Yes, yes they did know about the Alien. They decoded the beacon prior to the Nostromo's arrival at Thedus (where the Nostromo picked up the mineral ore that is meant to go back to Earth). THE MOVIE BLATANTLY TELLS US THIS. How? There is a conversation once Kane's dead facehugger, between Ripley and Dallas in the theatrical cut of the film (so don't give me it was cut bullshit and added for the "director's cut in 2003), Ripley asks Dallas about Ash's behavior and if he ever flew out with Ash before. Dallas responds with that the company SWITCHED Science Officers at Thedus, this is confirmed in the video game Alien Isolation as there was audio logs made for the game talking about this event recorded by Tom Skerritt who played Dallas in the film) which you find throughout the game and it's official canon by Fox. Read the special order as well. It says Nostromo re-routed, Priority One, Insure return of organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew Expendable. So that proves right there IN THE ACTUAL 1979 film that the company KNEW about the derelict and the organism, they re-routed the Nostromo deliberately so they would pick up the signal and under law be forced to investigate and retrieve the organism. Hence why Ash kept pushing for them to go out there as they weren't going to do it originally and why he deliberately disobeyed protocol when Ripley wouldn't let Kane back in the Nostromo despite Dallas's order to let them back in. I suggest PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FILM. It is quite clear, I have known this long before the prequels were even a thing. As for why wait 57 years to try again? That is something I have trouble with for Aliens and justifying it's timeline, but one has to assume that this was a secret order and that if word got out that they sent the Nostromo off to their death deliberately then it would be a huge problem so the higher ups covered it up when the Nostromo failed to come back to Earth or they registered that Ripley set the Nostromo to blow up. But since we are only talking about the original film, we have to go with what is told, and YES the company KNEW the ship and the organism is there, because THE FILM FROM 1979 TOLD US SO.
This is what is said between Dallas and Ripley in the scene you're talking about Ripley and Dallas. RIPLEY How could you leave that kind of decision to him. DALLAS I just run the ship. Anything that has to do with science division, Ash has the final word. RIPLEY How does that happen. DALLAS Same way everything else happens. Orders from the Company. RIPLEY Since when is that standard procedure. DALLAS Standard procedure is do what they tell you... Besides, I only know about flying... I haul cargo for a living. RIPLEY Did you ship out with Ash before. DALLAS First time. I went five hauls with another science man. Then two days before we left Thedus, replaced him with Ash. She looks at him. DALLAS So what. They replaced my warrant officer with you. RIPLEY I don't trust him. DALLAS I don't trust anybody...What's holding up repairs. This isn't the script you see in the actual film. *This IS the transcript from the theatrical release -* RIPLEY - Dallas! DALLAS - You won't make me change my mind... RIPLEY - I'm not trying to change your mind. I just want you to listen... Will you listen to m...? Just tell me how can you leave that kind of decision to him? DALLAS -Look! I just run the ship. Anything that has to do with the science division, Ash has the final word. RIPLEY - How does that happen? DALLAS - It happens my dear because that's what the company wants to happen. RIPLEY - Since when is that standard procedure? DALLAS - Standard procedure is to do what the hell they tell you to do. What's happening with the repairs, how's it going? RIPLEY - Oh well they're pretty much finished. DALLAS - Why the hell didn't you tell me so? RIPLEY - Because here's still some things left to do.
It is in the theatrical cut. I only have the theatrical cut on DVD. It takes place exactly 50 min 16 seconds into the film. Ripley asks Dallas "Did you ever ship out with Ash before?" Dallas:I went out 5 times with another science officer.They replaced him 2 days BEFORE we left Thedus with Ash,hmm". Ripley " I don't trust him". That my friend is in the theatrical cut of the film. Not the directors cut, but the actual theatrical cut of the film from 1979. I just watched it to make sure I was right. I ripped my DVD's to my portable hard drive, so I just watched it. I can upload the scene if that is what it takes to convince anyone. Sorry for being a dick though.
Regardless, how does this prove that they knew? You also quote the special order, which again doesn't prove that they were sent there. IF you read what you type you'll see "re-routed" NOT destination.
Ok, I will do it when I get home. That is where I have my video software on my desktop. I watch my videos at work off my tablet using a usb to micro USB converter. I will send you a message when I put it up.
Oh they knew. Weyland-Yutani knew about the moon orbiting Calpamos in that star system, they classified it as a possible colonization site for one of their 'shake & bake colonies' for future concerns. Besides, when MU/TH/UR said 'Nostromo rerouted' in accordance with Special Order 937 it was obvious, the Nostromo didn't stumble upon this by accident! WY wanted a low-budget, low-man count crew of expendable potential hosts for a specimen of Xenomorph XX121. So they wouldn't be missed. Even if they lost the ship and it's mineral ore & oil refinery cargo, a potential Xenomorph specimen would've been worth it to them. Weyland-Yutani being a mega-corporation with massive amounts of money and monopolies on space station construction, FTL travel, planet terraforming, atmospheric reprocessing and colonization, losing the M-class star-freighter and cargo included was still a significant amount of money but a drop in the bucket for them in the end. Again, it is all in Special Order 937: Priority one: Ensure return of organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable.
The 57 year gap could be explained by the fact that at least one division of weyland yutani probably did know about the signal atleast and may have construed a connection with previous missions that went missing so they probably were the ones that had ash placed onboard the nostromo since it would gave provided the perfect opportunity to launch a highly discrete recon mission . Since they never heard from ash again they probably figured that the specimen retrieval probably backfired on them so they covered their tracks by explaining that ash was being transported from one assignment to another on a company ship that went missing . This section of the company probably wanted to send another mission, but had to shelve the idea because even a covert would have eventually attracted too much attention. When the colony was commissioned this would have provided another opportunity , but since there was no incidents for decades they probably assumed that either some unrelated disaster happened to the first ship, or that ash found something but something bad happened, or that they found nothing but some incident still befell the nostromo. Someone probably went fuck it this is costing way too much plus the fact that they could be exposing themselves to being outed so project got shelved until Ripley was discovered , Burke commissioned the recon of the derelict, and the colonists got fubar and lost contact.
"The 57 year gap could be explained by the fact that at least one division of weyland yutani probably did know about the signal" - isn't that a bit of a stretch? If it was this important?
Xenomorph Universe just watch Aliens, it is implied that not every in the company was on a need to know basis with regards to anything having to doing with the xenomorphs. How else was Burke able to covertly send a discrete message to the colony on lv426 in order to have somebody check out the derelict?
I have, and this still doesn't make sense. He message wasn't discrete, Ripley found it quite easily. Where did you get discrete from? He is a WY junior executive, he told some of HIS employees to check a grid reference on a world where his company owns a colony. How does this imply anything you said? Seriously I want to know, otherwise am I missing something?
Xenomorph Universe let me put this another way, unless the company was going to release some big product derived from their research of any alien life encountered by any of their ships or crews , then they will be keeping their big mouths shut about it. Even within the company only the pertinent groups and personnel will ever have knowledge of this activity. I believe the term would be compartmentilazation .
Xenomorph Universe as for Burke, guy was a weasel. He probably covered his tracks on his end just in case things went south. Although he could nothing about the colony having a record of the message, he probably thought it was an acceptable risk. If the colonists found anything that would justify having the company send a special team to handle the derelict and he could take credit, but if anything happened to the colony then he's covered unless someone specifically looked for the message . Doesn't matter if Burke was working on his own or whether his superiors sanctioned his actions, the company would have covered up what really happened to the colonists and would even have exploited the situation.
dude it would be the greatest finding in history. Even though this is a fictional story. The keys to life or a cure for everything would make you beyond human gratitude and currency. The deeper story of the Alien Sage is just this, "Big Business", but its not the main story.
i'm sure W-Y knew about the existence of the aliens for a very long time. they think they can prepare for them from a distance behind the scenes but you cant prepare for something like the aliens (they're not going to fit into their nice clean time table) these things are too smart for them to handle. they will quickly adapt.
Of course they did , weyland yutani always knew about the xenomorph thats what makes the corporation so scary they were always one step ahead of everyone else . Which is why it is believed many of the weyland yutani staff are androids , and the potential link with blade runner and they tyrell corporation
Well we're about to find out with the new alien Earth series premiering on Hulu soon. It's supposedly takes place 30 years before the original alien and it is supposed to explain everything 😁
I believe that corporate companies today could not give a fuck about their employees as long has they get what they want they couldn't give a toss DON'T LET THEM FUCK YOU OVER guys &girls
While i agree with this interpretation of events for alien and aliens, i think you can arrive at a different conclusion for alien as a stand alone movie or alien with prometheus mixed in. And i would like to present another piece of evidence left out of this video. In the scene where ripley finally reads special order 937, mother also says the nostromo was rerouted to investigate life form and gather specimen. To me the word rerouted implies a bigger course correction than would necessary to swing by a near transmitter. In the light of the (so far) 2 prequels it may well be that weyland yutani do not know about the alien, but that david may have reprogrammed ash and/or mother from afar, or possibly transfered his own consciousness to ash, in which case special order 937 might not be a directive for ash, but one for mother.
Í think David make a LOT of progress in he's investigations and reported to earth but the engineers find the covenant and destroy David and he's experiments but probably something goes wrong and the last engineer don't be able to scape
We have to wait for the events of Alien Awakening to know if WY knew about the existence of Alien life forms since the Prometheus expedition was lost and the Covenant mission is continuing without being alerted to what happened!
Not interested in the Ridley Scott shite. Anything after alien 3 is just fucking crap lol On a side note Covenant might be the last one - which is fucking great news
Xenomorph Universe I disagree, the stories of both Prometheus and Covenant were solid rock, but the problem was with the details of characters and execution, let's think about how the story expanded from telling the story of one non-significant metal tucker (Ripley) to the CO of Weyland industries and the idea of creation... and who was behind it all, it was all hinted at Alien but the dumb Ripley didn't gave Ash the time to explain it when they were at Muther computer room!
"the stories of both Prometheus and Covenant were solid rock" - lol don't make me laugh. The alien is a pet project of an android? Or the fact that he managed to make several eggs that DONT require a queen. Well done Ridley Scott you've just fucked us. The rest of your comment is just reaching......
See I'm a true, die hard, Alien fan. I know Alien word for word...lol literally. Repeat, Alien fan. Now Aliens, James C., what more can we say, Outstanding. After that the story could have went two ways. Alien 3 followed James C. version and Alien vs Predator told the Prometheus story, this is why Ridley Scott was so pissed off at Fox. Alien 4, Dear Lord, 5...4....3...2...1.. OK I'm calm. S. Weaver should be blind folded and shot, but if you can manage to watch it again, she's just telling the up coming alien 5 movie. The concepts have already been laid for the franchise and that's what most people don't understand.....I'm done peace.
You mean that piece of shit, were Ridley Scott (who has said multiple times 'I don't even like science fiction') has ruined Dan and Ron's masterpiece. Give me a break. Alien - masterpiece Aliens - twist on the story and fantastic Alien 3 - Getting better the more I watch it, just a shame the production was all over the place. Gotta feel sorry for David Fincher. Alien 4 - I would laugh but its not funny As far as I know that's all the alien films and AVP is a comic book turn around. In other words shite. P.W.S Anderson made one of my favourite films, Event Horizon. Then he fucked us all with AVP and Mortal Combat and Resident Evil. The guy should have been shot for all that.
Not interested in the Ridley Scott shite. Anything after alien 3 is just fucking crap lol On a side note Covenant might be the last one - which is fucking great news
I hope it's not the last one. I want my answers. I waited 25+ years now, I don't care anymore about how they get to that point since it is retconned to hell but I just want them to finish now and lead to Alien. We are 3/4 there now, Fox would be smart and just do it and get it over with.
I want another director to take charge, but still have Scott around to give ideas. Actually, this is what happened with the original Alien. Scott said, "I let the other one [Alien] get away from me - I shouldn’t have." He's wrong, it worked because they did get away from him.
