Dien Bien Phu: Hell Rains Down in the Land of Heaven 

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simon: please do a video on the Bhopal disaster

WTF is Blinkist?

Simon i have one piece of advice. Never use that low rolling bass track starting around 9:50 under your own talking again without turning it way down. On a good pair of headphones it's so overpowering that it's almost uncomfortable to listen to continuously because it's got harmonics in the infrabass range, which have a tendency to cause anxiety and make people really uncomfortable. That and it makes you hard to hear because of how much louder it is than your voice, with the bass being powerful enough to literally blow your voice away.

You just solved at least three controversies in a couple of coincise sentences. Well said. Please continue roaming in comments sections to settle disputes.

Idk I mean people who actually know history tend to laugh at the Italian army not the French. There would be no United States of America without the French soldiers

@@aaronbradley3232 We definitley owe France a debt of gratitude. Didn't know the Italian Army was laughed at.

Because they arrogantly tried to recolonize a country and got their arses handed to them

An interesting perspective from an American soldier. I'm not being disrespectful, I am pleased with your attitude, as a Canadian of a certain age I grew up with American propaganda about the evils of communism and the Domino theory. I also grew up under the shadow of nuclear war. Vietnam was the poster child for the war on Communism. As I got older I came to see it for what it was, just another form of colonization whether by the Russians, Chinese or the Americans. The people on the ground did the lions share of the dying.

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@@charlesissleepy well yea but he also taught geography, French literature, and ironically enough: *morals*.

@@KhoaLe-uc2ny wow someone watched a second video

@user-go3en4to5v morals go out the window in war though. Anyone who has been to war knows the good guys arent good guys in reality

@@KhoaLe-uc2nynot really ironic, it is morally good to end colonial oppression

I work with guy who was a south vietnamese artillery officer. The stories he has of the war and his escape from Vietnam to America are horrific. His suffering makes all my first world problems seem pathetic by comparison, and he took it all in stride and has the most can do attitude of anyone I've worked with.

I am a machinist and worked with so many boat people and soldiers, was even over there in the navy. I always found these guys the coolest and best folks in the world. Honest hard working super smart loyal, only thing is they are hard to understand sometimes. made me mad that people wouldn't take the time to understand them and they never got the respect they deserved. if you asked them their story you would have a true friend. also the guys from laos and cambodia. they were real men.

I have a friend who was in the south vietnamese army and served alongside American troops since he spoke English and he has some similar stories. He's only told me a couple since he starts to get choked up even talking about it even 45 years later. He fled to a thai refugee camp and got over to the US thanks to an American GI and it's too emotional to even go back to visit

Can some of you guys say some of the stories?

@@philipfortygin7660.... Sure... A good VN friend told me stories. As a child he and friends would go out in to the woods and collect large wasp nests. Wrap them in banana leaves and bring them home. Then throw them over the walls of American bases. His father would transport orders out of saigon to the field commanders. He would memorise the orders, hide under the seat of the mayor's car and get driven through the Americans road blocks. Then walk and hitch hike north.

France deserved it

The Legion fought and died with Honor. DeGaulle and the scum officer corps should burn in hell

I thought May 1940 was the worst. 😂😂😂 Sprechen sie Deutsche, Frenchy?

@@andrewince8824 napoleon and my homies on the road to take Berlin in 6 day 🏳️🏳️ Prussian fighters🙊

I'm English, and I remember my mother telling how shocked she was at the news that Dien Bien Phu had fallen. The siege was closely followed in Great Britain.

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The food is simply horrifying.

@@chriscoll6493 stick to unseasoned dishes, your palate isn't ready.

@@paulohaulo3961 Nah, he's just an uncultured knobbo, you come across people like that every so often. Every cuisine I have ever tried has good stuff, some more, some less. I've eaten plenty of things a lot of people I know would never touch, and found many of them to be absolutely delicious, like whole pan fried baby octopuses, Japanese blow-fish(Fugu - the deadly one) etc. Trying new stuff just isn't for everyone, which is fine, but the one thing I don't think is fine is bagging on it like Chris here.

I am Vietnamese and we will never forget the battle of Dien Bien Phu. We had to try for independence until 1975 and the battles with Cambodia and China in 1979 and 1988(Vietnam Sino war). It was not until 1995 that Vietnam was able to lift the embargo. Therefore, for more than 30 years, we have only had the economic conditions to preserve history.

@@nguyenthanhtung4520 Wasn’t Vietnam in a state of near constant war for like 5 decades (1940s to 1990s)? That’s honestly tied with Afghanistan for how long their war has been going on (Afghanistan has been fighting since 1978).

​@@Kaiserboo1871 we were in constant struggle from 1930-1990, only in 1992 did we actually get to rebuild

@@nguyenthanhtung4520 wtf are you talking about? The US wasn't trying to rule Vietnam and in fact if the North didn't resist a democratic Vietnam, Vietnam would be better off then what is today. Today's Vietnam is ruled by a bunch of communist gangsters. They steal everything.

forgiveness and move on is better options, after all it were just another day in the long years of brutal conflict in Vietnam , a big day , but just another day in office. after all our forefathers fought the wars for our peace, prosperity love happiness, independence and self determinations, all sacrifices are in vains if it is just for more hatred and wars. we have to forgive , be friends with everybody we could , and prepare for the wars to come.

But he has to use the same level of seriousness as this video while doing it. And only refer to himself in the third person lol

Simon!!! Make it happen!

@@FH-wi6ek ....i think we'd want the bloopers to that too... Lmao

@@sagesheahan6732 and the bloopers have to be in the style of business blaze

@@joyfold1029 I bet you a wooden nickel he'd reach a point where he goes "aaaand I should have read this ahead of time, [repeats what he'd just said, but as a statement written by Danny]"

Apparently the Moroccans were notorious among the Viet's as brutal murderers and rapists. It led to a stigma with the American black soldiers during the war since the locals assumed they would act the same

@@mattt6078 lol no . Moroccans and Algerians looks just like French or Southern Europeans , The Viet just assumed black American soldiers as slave soldiers just like the French foreign legions , French colonial armies, and their slave soldiers. I dont know about Moroccan , but plenty of Algerian POW in Dien Bien Phu would then came home and spark their Algerian war against the French overlords.

Tom viktorsson not all look european in Algeria many Tuareg and Amazigh Algerians and Algerins of other ethnic groups like the Haratin are “black” and in Southern Morocco you will find Harathin so it’s possible for some of them to have made it over their

@@Tolpuddle581...much as many vets do at The Wall.

@@philgiglio7922 I don't think that person was arguing against the right to cry

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Thank you for your service. Welcome home.

@EmperorJuliusCaesar Yes, just in time for the Vietnamese to invade Cambodia three years later to overthrow the horrendous Communist Khmer Rouge regime they supported during the 1970 Cambodian Civil War. Less celebrated is Vietnam's quiet retreat from its own deeply unpopular foreign war that ended 25 years ago this month. A war where Vietnamese troops, sent as saviours but soon seen as invaders, paid a steep price in lives and limbs during a gruelling decade-long guerilla conflict. -BBC

EmperorJuliusCaesar your father fought for the U.S. and you talk like this about your country.daddy must be proud of his little commie turd.

Thank you for your service!

Thank you for your service. And thank you for what you did to south Vietnamese people in 1975. Half of my family escaped on 4/29/75 and the other half escaped in 1983 as boat people.. great to be here in the US. Thank you again!!

How’s Your result?

You left out the US, sir.

@@sundalongpatpat The Americans, as usual, were late to the party. But when they arrived they were already drunk and they brought a keg.

@@sundalongpatpat the US want the capitalist vietnam to rule though so no.

Did you even watch the video? The soviets and Chinese supported the Vietnamese. While the American supported the French.

@@billtheman7546 I feel you watched but failed to comprehend. You were a lot smarter when you were The Science Guy.

The french are the only ones that would chose to be surrounded by the enemy...

Supplied by the Soviets

@Corristo89 Regardless of their other mistakes, if the French had the same airpower and airlift capabilities as the Americans did, they probably still win this battle.

@@command_unit7792 We did it at Khe Sahn. Out gunned by NVA like the military brass did about the same thing as if they never heard of Dien Bien Phu. Mission was supposed to be interdiction. Too busy for any of that but B52s bombing right close to the base probably saved it from the same fate. Closed that base right after Tet. Military brass called it victory for the body count . . . I'll call it a close call from my stateside cheap seat.

All the mistakes Anakin made.

My uncle served there in the Foreign Legion. I've pasted my general post here as I think you may be interested. WOW... I love your channels BUT.. The first part where you set the scene is so USA centric omitting very important details to cover the USA's betrayal of a former ally. My version comes from my uncle who ran away from home at the age of 16 (No, his name isn't Beau) to join the Foreign Legion. He served in Algeria and deserted when the Vichi regime took control at the fall of Free France at the beginning of world war 2. He escaped to England where he fought as a pilot along side the RAF. After the war he returned to his duties with the Foreign Legion. Now an engineer, he was posted to serve in Indo-China. At this time the morale of the Legionnaires was rock bottom as most came from Eastern European countries that were currently being sold out by the USA, Britain and France to the Soviets. Ho Chi Minh and his forces were trained and equiped by the OSI (CIA) to fight the Japanese in Indo China with the promise of independence. This freed up US forces for other theatres. After the war all promises were broken as the French were allowed to return. Ho Chi Minh even traveled to Washington to talk to their 'friends' but Truman refused to even meet him. Returning home without any friends he was determined to end the colonisation of his homeland. The Soviets saw their opportunity and offered aid where none was to be had. Because of this the world labelled him a communist. Many Legionnaires considered them selves as freedom fighters and now saw them selves as oppressors fighting against freedom fighters on behalf of traitors who sold their home nations out. Their hearts were NOT in this fight. Years later my family (blacklisted by the communists) escaped Czechoslovakia and I eventually became an Australian soldier. At this time I managed to reconnect with my uncle. What he tried to get through to me was that just because someone is labelled a communist doesn't make them communists and to be aware that the terrorist you may be fighting is someone else's freedom fighter. VietMinh to VietCong - Thanks to USA. Mujahideen to Taliban - Thanks to USA . America will never learn from history if it keeps denying its existance.

@@wetcat833 In effect, the story is more complicated than most people think. In his video on Ho Chi Minh, Simon Whistler pointed out the numerous travels he undertook in the US and France, not only to educate himself, but to put forward the plight of his people. The numerous false promises of the US, France or UK have led to events whose consequences are still visible nowadays. For instance, De Gaulle promised to grant independence to Francophone African nations as a reward for their participation in WWII. Eventually, he did nothing. Thank you su much for sharing this with me.

De Gaulle was always an opportunist.

It would have been impossiblle without the will of the socialo-communist government who ruled France at that time, and was in fact partner of the ennemy; Dien bien Phu has been the grave of the viet army, and was conceived by the army as a trap to kill the most possible of vietminh troops (they loosed there 150 000 men ), and it worked; but the french army was betrayed by politicians at the order of Moskow, who took this " defeat " as a pretext to give up.

@@felix25ize 150 000 men ? bro, you are reaching hard

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And ALL THWE TIME IN THE WORLD.

No mercy’s from Giap

Giap was a genius. He fought for Vietnam from WWII with only 40 guys all the way to the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979. And he never lost a single war (battles sure, but never the war itself).

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@@Kaiserboo1871 They lost against the British during Operation Masterdom.

I'll second that

@NLTDB3S Theres a film on netflix about it. Its worth a look

As would I

@blackzed I've seen it twice. :P

The commander of the mercenary force is ‘Roger Faulques’. There is a very poignant/inspiring photo of him carrying the artificial hand of Captain Danjou, during the celebration of the battle of Camerone in 2010.

proceeds to have Dien Bien Phu x 10

"Din Bin Foo" That's how he said it actually lol.

"We can give you a Khe Sanh. Does that sound better?"

He nearly got one at Khe San. But Johnson (and Nixon) did not understand that it wasn’t military defeat that was the problem. They’d won all the battles. They controlled almost all of SVN. The place they didn’t control was between the ears of the people. But that didn’t matter. The NVA only had to win a conventional battle over a shitty ARVN to when we were no longer there.

Phils Phan Yup, in fact, the much talked about Tet Offensive was the death knell for the Viet Cong. America lost Vietnam because of McNamara’s (he chose targets from the Oval Office) draconian ROE and as importantly, a home front that no longer supported the war.

_Hind sight is always 20/20_ At the time the US was willing to pay the price and use everything in their tool box to defeat the Russians and by extension the communist ideology Which is why the US did questionable things but at the time they were deemed by the many world leaders to be justified: 1) recruiting former third Reich scientists and engineers such as Klaus Barbie 2) Failing to prosecute the Japanese for their war crimes like the infamous Unit 1071 3) Removing a democratically elected Iranian prime minister because of his communist leanings and nationalising of Iranian oil reserves 4) Allying themselves with the brutal Pakistani regime because Pakistan was a rival and it was seen to counter India as India had great relations with the Soviets 5) Giving Pakistan the US seal of approval to commit genocide in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) 6) Covering for the Mai Lai massacre by the US Army 7) Removing recognition of Taiwan as the legitimate China to take advantage of the Sino-soviet split 8) Provoking an aggressive reaction by US nuclear material placement in NATO ally Turkey Of course all of this to us, the layman, is a significant failure of decision making but those involved in the world of politics would argue against that. _Remember in the world of geopolitics there are no allies only nations and national interests_ I highly recommend you watch CGP Grey Rules for Rulers

The French turned that country from jungle and rice patties into something grand.

@@rejvaik00 You could also add the expansion of NATO after the fall of The Warsaw Pack and The Soviet Union.The United States is always talking about peace but when the opportunity to do it they don't.

Japanese were ordered to surrender By emperor The british rearmed them to fight the viet minh 1945.46

@@angloaust1575 also a lot of japanese officers, NCOs and generals refuse to surrender and join the viet minh

There were 300K Commie Chinese troops aiding the North Vietnamese Commies in battle of Dien Bien Phu. Few people know this.

That should be Good night Saigon

@@Wolfhound223 That song was more about the reality of what the men endured. "Start the Fire" was more a littany of historical events: no reason why Dien Bien Phu shouldn't be in it.

@@Wolfhound223 once you’ve been BJ’ed you’ll never be the same.

I've seen the same and shed a tear too. If only they sent more colonial frenchmen, nothing better than an oppressor getting wiped out.

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"Joe Rogan has entered the chat"

*Roe Jogan would like to know simons location*

Every time I watch one of his channels, it reminds me to wax my car.

Or it means that historical memory and influence isn't necessarily symmetric and universal - for the French, colonialism, and perhaps the cold war - it's a turning point. Maybe for the Vietnamese it stands out less among the battles they fought on their road to independence. Or preserving old battlefields may not be a priority.

@@davestevens6283 You're right in that a battle has far different connotations depending on which side is looking back at it and how it helped shape history. I should have been a bit more detailed since I was thinking more in terms of the human factor of those involved in the fighting rather than the socio-political side of remembering. It reminded me of the armchair generals of WWI with how many lives were thrown away for a small advancement across the battlefield.

I’m amazed that they allowed the memorial.

The best time to preserve that battlefield is during the first 50 years after the war before much of it is destroyed by time. Unfortunately, after the battle of Dien Bien Phu, we also had to confront the US imperialists and their minions, then the pol pot of Cambodia and China on the northern border, until 1990 the gunfire stopped on the border. our territory. And the most important thing, we were embargoed by the US during that time, so we did not have the financial conditions to be able to preserve that relic. Hopefully current efforts will preserve what remains of the old battlefield. A people who have had to fight throughout history from the beginning to the present, I have great pity for our people.

Well... the French wants to forget it, understandable. But we Việt never forget those who oppressed us, it is in our blood.

When I was much younger I got to jump with the French Foreign Legion. Some of the older guys were veterans of the battle of Dien Bien Phu. I will never forget a segment from Hell in a very small place, where the night before the surrender, about 100 or so of the paratroopers who were still physically intact were given permission to attempt a breakout. 100 against 100 thousand, they fixed bayonets and went into the night. Oddly enough, most of them got through. This leads me to speculate that General Giáp knew all abythe impending breakout, and gave orders to just get out of the way and let them through, knowing that these paras would most likely just go home, and this is what the Vietnamese wanted anyway. Besides, why capture these large, healthy Europeans with their large appetites, when he would be responsible for feeding them. Giáp lived to the ripe old age of 105. This leads me to believe that basic human decency contributes to a person’s longevity.

Fred. You were fortunate to do some jumps with the French. Was that at their parachute school at Pau? I remember Fall’s account of the breakout attack by the legionnaires, as he wrote, “under the ghostly light of the parachute flares”, which I got to know only too well, in my two deployments to Vietnam in ‘68 during “Tet” and again in ‘69. I have always resented the term “tour” used to describe the one-year assignment to Vietnam in our war, as though our travels had been arranged by the firm of Thomas Cook & Sons…

about the Mang Yang Pass battle from vietnamese's side: that battle from PAVN was an unexpected result of "operation Atlante" - the 96th regiment "Big Brother of 5th interzone" to evading the attack from french in the Operation Atlante, move up from the southern central to Central Highland. And while setting up new base in the central highland, scouting party inform the commander of the 96th that there's a french position without any trench or fortification, only canvas tent. And being too frustrated from running, he ordered a night attack, by 40th battalion with extensive support from artillery of the 96th regiment. And the rest is history. The 96th commander does only know the identity of the ambushed troop - the GM100 after the battle ended and the transmission from the GM100 commander was intercepted by the 96th, and because of the Dien Bien Phu result, the French are so afraid of falling into another meat grinder, and assuming the moblie of the force was leaked, pullout all the troops in the An Khe area.

Sounds like a dope class!!!

That's how I got a small tractor into the back of a small truck to take it for repairs. My brother had wedges, and I pushed it up the ramp using a wood beam and the science of leverage. People seem to always be surprised that 2-3 people can move a very heavy object up a hill or ramp, but it is doable even if it is slow.

Damn 😁😁😁😁

@@indoorsandout3022 yeah, but you and your brother are two healthy adults, this is impressive because the Viet Minh are not in their best condition, they are mostly starved, tired from marching, and had to carry all that stuffs up many hills full of rocks and pebbles

Of course a Frenchman says that. It's not even true either. Indonesia, India were far more important.

I thought my neighbors upstairs were vacuuming.

Wow, you invaded another country and then like "being on American soil except for the few small off colored people who spoke a funny language who worked on the base"

@@bichdaovo6476 To be honest with you, I found the Vietnamese people very nice. Most could speak English very well, and I respected that since I could only sputter a few cuss words in Vietnamese or French. Most of the folks I had contact with were very intelligent, even the gals who shined our boots and swept out our rooms, made our beds and such for a few bucks a week. Most all of them could speak several langages, the result of the many occupiers of the nation. Many could speak French, a langage I studied in High School and only remembered a few phrases, as well as their native tounge and English. Sure they could have well been VC at night but for me, they were, well not friends, good acquaintances. The gal who ran the Pizza ovens at the NCO Club was a very nice lady, and used to joke with us all the time. I can't say that I invaded another nation, well not personally, I joined the US Army after I found that jobs were not hanging off of trees in the US at that time, and the Army would pay me enough to support my growing family. I never asked to go to Vietnam, but was ordered by my nation to go, and being a good soldier, I went where I was told, and did what I was told for 14 months, then returned to "The World" and continued on with my life, after 8 years in the Army, I went on to become a Police Officer, a job that I served in for over 24 year when an accident left me permantly totally disabled. Now I live off of Workman's Comp and Social Security. I recently lost my wife of 51 years and 4 days, I miss her so much it nearly kills me every day, and as a secondary note, I miss her Social Security check that helped pay the bills nearly as much.

@@JerryEricsson So sorry to hear that sir, maybe i misunderstood something from your comment.

The people who you think that they speak funny language they could well be a Viet Cong and they kicked your ass ! What a small minded person you are ! Lol

Oh I did not realised two comments are of the same person. Ops .. I should put my glasses on . Lol

This should be one of the most iconic battle in 20s, one of the French worst defeated.. It ended the colonization era. But seem like they want to keep in low😅

No they scewed up again in ALGERIA in the 1960's . They lost that one too,,,,

@@Frank-mm2yp the French were winning militarily but lost politically in Algeria. The same happened to the US in Vietnam

You would think that the uselessness of the Maginot Line would have sunk in.

@@hmoobmeeka Not the same thing as the US and Vietnam. The U.S government knew it was going into a losing battle and used 'undesirable' people as cannon fodder.

You think they would have learned their lesson after the likes of Weygand, and Gamelin, got steamrolled during Fall Gelb. I mean no army could pass through the Ardennes, well except the Germans, twice.

Along with being infamously bloody, it was important enough to be included in Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start The Fire"

Imagine you entrench yourself in your final strongholds, hoping that the terrain would be a deterrence to enemy advance and heavy weaponry and the security of said strongholds would be enough to fend them off, but in the end you realize all you did was digging yourself a grave and didn't even know it. The French were effectively cut off from all reinforcement, and most of the supply drops were intercepted. Gets even worse that they didn't even know the Vietnamese forces were literally pulling heavy artillery and anti-air up the hills/mountains surrounding the region, a feat that shouldn't be possible due to how risky it was and due to lack of trucks to make the trip, yet they didn't care. There was one Vietnamese hero who sacrificed himself when an artillery slipped and went rolling down hill, he died jamming himself under the artillery to stop it. All that risk paid off in the end as they shelled those strongholds to hell.

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@@thecommentguy9380 The Vietnamese here's name was Tô Vĩnh Diện, and the artillery piece that he saved was a 37 mm anti-aircraft gun. The gun survived the war and is displayed in a museum in Vietnam today.

I had honestly thought it was some kid outside.

Yeah what they hell was that? Lol

And I thought my sub was going crazy :D

@@theAessaya I thought it was being used for dramatic effect to simulate artillery shelling of the French positions.

That was the Vietnamese syops people have you learned nothing

True, I iniatially read it before going ' in country ' in '69.

Which book about the siege of Khe Sanh? There are several.

Tha Last Valley is considered one of the definitive books on Dien Bien Phu.

Ich würde sagen, dass er hätte interessante und schreckliche Geschichten, die ich gern hören würde, aber ich weiß nicht, ob ich mich an sie erinnern möchte. Entschulidigung für mein schlechtes Deutsch. Ich bin Student und kann nicht eine Gelegenheit zum Üben ignorieren. Doch bin ich ehrlich: es scheint mir interessant.

My Grandfather was also in the Legion in Indochina and his best friend and legionnaire brother was German also. My grandfather barely ever talks about his time in the legion and even less about Indochina Dien Bien Phu all I know is that his German friend died from a blast and that my Grandfather was seriously injured by shrapnel and bares the scars of this to this day both physically and mentally.

@@SoldierXXL More Majorum

So your grandpa was a ss? Like most germans joining the foreign legion after the war

@@joycegroeneveld4329 You realize the SS and the Wehrmacht were two seperate entities right?

Can you explain it ? Thank you

When interviewed, Diem still spoke French in the Eighties.

Wasn’t it started by the French colonialists?

When you enslave a group of people, your greatest enemy can & often dose stem from someone you never deemed significant.

It started with the end of the last ice age

A bad history teacher, yes.

Unfortuantely communism is actually becoming increasingly popular here in nz 😐

@@LogieT2K ah man, rip your factories.

Americans would already view our healthcare as communism

@@LogieT2K liberals aren't communists any more than conservatives are fascists. Constant demonization of well meaning political opponents is more of a danger to democracy than communism ever was.

@@finiteenergy7155 please clarify when talking about Americans. I'm sure you're aware that we have a lot of progressive liberals who have tried to get socialized medicine but it's continually demonized by the right as communism. Ordinary people have been brainwashed since the cold war so all one needs to say that you're a communist and it knee jerk reaction.

They have a couple of great videos about Korea. One about the DMZ (demilitarized zone) and a really fantastic one about the Rugyong Hotel in PyongYang. Crazy story!

Ukraine?

That would be great for Megaprojects, hear hear!

This is why I clicked, lol.

He certainly made the most out of what he had to work with.

Yeah. He practically propaganda civilians into meatshield for his victory. If you admire him, you admire the equivalent of Hitler

@@pingukutepro everyone is hitler! How very uneducated and biased

MoreBagsThanLipton I'm a Vietnamese I'm sure I know Giap and his battle more than you. Do you think Vietnamese racist? Yes we are, we are racist to the point that 91% of our population is only one race. That fact & number speak for me

@@pingukutepro , Bub Huynh, sao ba.n ba xàm vây ?! are you a VietNamese educated ?

DITTO- "We dont want American boys to have to do the fighting that South Vietnamese boys should do". That did not work either. Although the USA did avoid "our Dien Ben Phu" @KHE SANH the final result was the same. To paraphrse the old Bruce Springsteen song: "CHARLIES" STILL THERE- WE ARE ALL GONE"

*ramps up troop involvement*

Lbj under pressure not just mcgeorge bundy and mcnamara but also from below.

Why should they? Dioxin exposure is killing their people even now.

Thank you for those RU-vid titles. Will definitely watch them.

Thank you

Lol viele danke.

You speak truth.

Coffee kept me going fighting in Afghanistan...

Fellow son of a Vietnam vet. Great idea. Of course I don't think my father's unit, 68th AHC of the 145th Aviation Battalion, MACV, would rate inclusion. My dad extended twice; as he told me, he got "addicted to the risk." But 2500 combat hours in the air, 25 Air Medals and a V device which would have been a DFC except for company politics¹, are nothing to sneeze at. ¹and, somehow, a Combat Infantryman's Badge

@@stephenwright8824 yes my father brought home his air medal its an eagle with lightning bolts grasped within it's talons flying downward at maybe a 45° angle brought home a purple heart with an oak leaf cluster for being injured and continuing fighting twice first time grenade shrapnel injury second time mortar shrapnel. Those medals are noted on his headstone in Asheville, N.C. veterans cemetery he succumbed to side effects of agent orange exposure on December 12'th 2006 ischemic heart disease took him

@@beaubeaukitty5301 On the effects of dioxin: me and my brother were born with diseases that were not previously suffered by anyone in my family. Type 1 diabetes for him, hydrocephalus for me. Gratefully he's still alive. Irony: for years he had a heart murmur due to having had rheumatic fever as a kid and still passed his Army entrance physical.

I know where Epstein Is what an a*s*s you prove yourself to be

Does David Attenborough just read scripts that are shoved in front of him, but do it so persuasively that he convinces a lot of people that he knows what he's talking about? I thought he had a little more substance than that.

My respect to him

They had to drop at quite a low height due to ever shrinking perimeter Also many volunteers with no parachute training went in