2023hybrid euro6 vs 2011 diesel euro5? Fair comparison? Next time, compare same age! 1.6hdi, absolutely amazing economy. I have 2 now. As a taxi driver, I owned both prius plug in and 1.6hdi. My verdict, as a taxi driver, Citroen is better. Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, good economy(800 miles from a tank). All this is in my channel. I just paid less than 5k for a 2016 Citroen c4 grand Picasso 1.6hdi. A 2016 toyota prius/auris/corola hybrid would cost ~£15k~£20k. It doesn't make any sense for me! I am staying with Citroen until 2035 or later.
As a rule of thumb, the more a driving environment requires you to use the brakes, the greater the benefit of a hybrid. Nearly all the hybrid economy gain is from regen braking. It's why taxi drivers love them.
no it isnt. The reason is at low city speeds and lots of starting and stopping the electric motor is far far more efficient. the regen is just the icing on the cake.
So, this would be true for a mild hybrid where the battery is only charged from the wheels. A Toyota hybrid has several tricks it uses to help you save petrol 1. Atkinson cycle engine - gives better fuel economy but less responsive engine, so you need to add something to increase responsiveness e.g. Mazda used a supercharger when they made an Atkinson cycle car, Toyota use an electric motor for this purpose 2. The battery is charged using the engine at more efficient revs. We all know petrol cars are more efficient at higher than lower speeds. A Toyota hybrids stores energy at that higher efficiency for use at lower speeds or power output levels (below 30 hp) 3. Never idles - You'll never catch your hybrid idling if the engine is running it's for a reason - it's either a) warming itself up, b) warming you up, c) charging the battery or d) driving the wheels 4. Discourages rapid driving - they tend to feel better when you're driving moderately and not flooring it, this also helps save petrol. Some of them will even give you a score for how economically you have driven. 5. Fast warm up - electric motors control the coolant flow and there is an egr system to help the engine get up to temperature quickly 6. Regen braking - very noticeable down a long hill just how much energy you can get from regen braking. If you fill the battery going down a hill, the car will automatically switch over to engine braking and will use extra electric power after the hill to get the battery down to 80% quickly - it doesn't want to sit at 100% for long Hope this helps
Gradient plays a big part. You’ll actually get best economy on a Toyota hybrid by not braking. You can’t capture all the energy you lose so you’re better off keeping it.
Unfortunately the vast majority of drivers do the vast majority of mileage on motorways. In this case the hybrid is lugging the extra weight of a battery. Even in town the regen is offset by lugging the extra weight. Then there is the extra manufacturing cost and complexity. The biggest economy benefit of hybrids is on paper.
Taxi drivers get around 50mpg because of heavy loads, rushing, and get even less mpg if they do a lot of airport runs! Hybrids don't like steep hills and heavy loads!
The Toyota is a far far more expensive vehicle to purchase... I have a 2010 HDI 1.6 which provides FAR better mileage than my new C3 1.2 puretech (similar driving mixed) AND our old Diesel is cheaper for Road Tax.....!? I will therefore, keep my old oil burner as long as I can....
Nice video, thanks Richard. As an owner of a 2013 citroen of the same model and engine I can confirm that it's super economical on highway at sustained speeds
Is yours also an automatic? How do you like it? Is it smooth? Genuinely curious as I've heard some say they're an automated manual and not too smooth..
@RikAindow mine is the "robotic" one - a manual gearbox equipped with robotic parts (I think Richard's car in the video has got the same). What you heard is true: for the most part, it it not very smooth (especially in the lower gears) and can be slow to change. In some cases, it could be in the wrong gear, too. I can live with it because i am a relatively new driver and it's my first car :) but I probably would not recommend it, especially for experienced drivers.
They are but the thing is the gap in efficency between petrol and diesel has narrowed big time. A modern petrol now has many of the driving charecteristics of a diesel too. I have a Toyota Auris with a 1.2T petrol engine and it gets mid to high 50s on MPG going down the motorway and it does it quietly too. I know a diesel will easily get anywhere between 60-70mpg but I can live with being a few mpg lower on a run just for the refinement and smoothness of the engine and not having things like DPFs, Adblue and EGR valves and sensors that can break. In a city it makes little to no difference on fuel economy whether I drive diesel or petrol either in fact on shorter runs in colder weather the petrol is more efficent because it heats up quicker.
My 1997 Peugeot 306 1.9 TDLX has a smidge over half a tank of diesel remaining, after I brimmed it literally to the very top of the neck last time and has done 384 miles on almost 6.6 gallons. That's 58 MPG, all local, for shopping etc. The only minus aspect is road tax of £325 a year, which is an increase of £30 over last year. The car weighs about 1135 kg. The only evap worry is from my sweating forehead, as it's a non air con car.
Then you should know the 306's fuel tank.. first half lasts for ages... the latter half... not so much! I averaged 56mpg in my 306 2.0 HDi over 100k miles (yep, you read that right) as fuel receipts were tracked due to business use.
@@khalidacosta7133 When standard, I only averaged 46 MPG but had a chap fettle the turbo wastegate, then fitted a freeflow air filter and exhaust, also turning up the main fuelling screw and winding back the low speed vacuum bladder compensator a bit at the same time. It's quite amazing how a turbo that kicks in at 1,500 instead of the OE setting of 2,200 RPM improved the economy. Not at constant full pelt, obviously. I dare say your HDi would've been even better if you'd had it remapped etc. I actually did have that done for my motorbike, couldn't do a home tune with that, but got an MPG boost from 42 to 48 MPG there. It does run about 4 degrees Centigrade hotter though, but there's no sign of lean burning on the plugs, so it shouldn't compromise longevity. Famous last words !
@@michaelarchangel1163 Most likely the turbo was set to kick in at 2200 rpm due to needing to meet emissions. Mechanical fueling means it can't adjust the fuelling as accurately and excess air produces more NOx. During the latter half of it's life, it was remapped to 120-130bhp :) Now got a 407 Coupe with the 2.0 HDi, I get 56mpg out of that stock... somehow for a 1.7 tonne barge!
@@khalidacosta7133 That's a very luxurious car you have there. Sadly, my garage is too small for more than a small car alongside the bike. I do have a Bosch fuel pump and ancillaries as spares and replacements for the Lucas, just in case diesel prices go through the roof and if I may wish to be able to get a veg oil conversion. All's good at the mo though and at 83,000 miles I'll leave it well alone. All the best to you.
20 deg C in a car is too low, aren't you freezing? I put mine at around 25 degC both in winter (outside temp is around 0 degC sometimes goes below) and in summer (outside temp is around 35 sometimes 40 degC)
Are you female? It's pretty well established that women like warmer environments than men. I personally hate temperatures above 20C. I guess it is my metabolism. GF's treat me as a human hot water bottle / electric blanket in the winter 😉
@@Drew-Dastardly No, I'm a man but it doesn't matter because 20°C is low. But I think that because on UK there is not so hot like in my country (Serbia) so we like it little bit wormer. And it is not healthy to have very big temperature difference between outside and inside. Max 5-10°C difference. For example this days temps here are around 35°C so it is OK to set AC to 25°C and thst is max. If you set it to lower than that imagine the shock when you go outside on 40°C in the street (it is 35°C in shades).
I will say in the UK it is not just the temperature, but especially the humidity. We are an island and it gets very humid which is horrible. A dry heat can be 10C hotter than a wet heat and be fine.
@@Drew-Dastardly It is humid in Serbia too, maybe not so much like where you are but it is not dry like in Egipt :D , but we are used to that kind of climate like you are to your's. Back to topic, car will use more fuel if you set the AC to the very low temps in summer, but it will use the same amount of fuel to heat in winter. EVs, in the other hand, will use more energy to heat in winter then to cool in summer ;)
My partner has a 2019 corolla which she upgraded to from a 2008 diesel avensis. I have a 2012 prius. Absolutely everything you say in this video is true! Or at least I can say my experience matches yours exactly. I can also add that in the case of the Prius it’s very nice (and weird) to own an 11 year old car that still has 4 year’s warranty on the hybrid system. I always look forward to your videos, and this was an especially good one, thanks!
I have a 2022 71-plate Corolla Touring Sports (estate), which I bought to use as a taxi. It has the previous Gen 4 hybrid system, with the 1.8 litre 122bhp engine. Today, so far, I've done 53 miles, and the mpg meter is reading 69.1mpg. The best fuel economy I've ever seen across a full shift is 74.7mpg, which was a day of long straight roads, with the worst being 48.7mpg on a very cold winter's day in stop start traffic with the heater and heated seats on. Typically, I don't often see less than 53mpg in the winter months and not usually less than 62mpg during the summer months on a combined cycle. If you can get over the noisy CVT gearbox when you accelerate, these Toyota hybrids are brilliant.
I dont think its entirely fair that the dual carriageway/motorway is emptier in the hybrids test even if the speed is the same as when you're around traffic on a fast road like a dual carriageway or motorway it creates allot of turbulance and air movement in the direction of travel. Larger vehicles can also shield you from the full brunt of the wind. I know in my car gets about 65mpg at 60mph on an empty motorway, on a fairy busy but flowing motorway it can get 77mpg at 60mph.
What a fake test, so a new car is better than a very old car that's all you can say. I have a 2014 Euro6 2lt diesel C4 Picasso, and I can tell you it's mpg., 53mpg average, but on a long motor way run 75mpg. I also own a 2023 Mazda CX30 2tl petrol mild hybrid GT Sport Tech, with that I get 49mpg average, long motorway run 55mpg. Before the C$ I had a Nissan Qashqai 1,6 diesel that did a average of 47mpg, yes that was old diesel engine tech, so gave about the same as the diesel in your test. So thumbs down for this video.
This model of C4 did age quite well and was made for a good number of years. I had a brand new one as a rental car for my trip to Italy in 2015. It was a 1.6 diesel, but manual. Handled the trip very well, was comfortable on the longer trip and kept up with motorway traffic nicely, all whilst doing over 60mpg on the longer run between Rome and Venice. Great car.
Man, that s not city driving. It s a joke of a traffic. I see the roads are almost empty. Test it in stop and go traffic, that s actual city driving. My 2.0 TDI CC consumes 11-12 l/km in heavy traffic. I recently took a Toyota Prius in an Uber at asked the driver how was his gas consumption. Bearing in mind that the driving conditions were the same, crowded as usual, his car reached around 5l/100kms. Basicly half of a typical 2.0 TDI and even more compared to bigger engines.
12 year old Diesel ( with 136k miles on the clock) vs brand new Hybrid. OMG. And yet not a lot of difference...apart from their current purchase prices approx. 2k vs 32k! The old banger still running good, but not very clean for sure. Next time please compare the 23 cars for more relevant result. Cheers
Now, this is just the amount of fuel. In our country diesel is cheaper than petrol, so it almost evens out if calculated in money instead of liters. On top of that, the older diesel is much less capital lying on the road, so financially, the diesel is far better off. A stronger version of this diesel engine would have had a better torque and thus an even better mileage.
No really a fair test using an 12yo diesel and a brand new hybrid, The newest diesels are MUCH more economical I regulary get over 85mpg in my 21 plate Skoda 2.0tdi on a motorway at 65-70 mph and 66 around town.
I do think this was an excellent test Richard. Toyota really do prove they do an excellent job with their petrol hybrids, and its no wonder the Toyota Corolla, not just the estate but all the different body styles, are best selling cars worldwide. About the end of the video where you mentioned about channel 4 with the hybrids emitting more harmful gases than diesel is interesting to me too, and also I find some emissions regulations a bit strange. For example, my Ford, with a 2.0 diesel, is Euro 6, but unlike most Euro 6 diesels it doesn't use adblue. I was told by the dealer Ford was late to bringing adblue, but its strange to me how it's Euro 6 compliant. I dont know much about emissions and how they work much. I do care a lot about fuel economy, and there was one thing about the Corolla and Citroen. I don't know their drag coefficients, but sometimes longer, lower ground cars are usually better efficient than small hatchbacks, because they are more like a tear drop, than a box shape. I don't know if thats the case, but I just learned it from videos online by car channels and social media. Whats your thoughts? Loved your video by the way, its great
@@luckas1234321 it does make sense with a DPF, because my Ford has one, but I've found other cars with both DPF and adblue, including new Ford's. For example, I found VW used both to meet Euro 6. That's why I get a bit confused with Euro 6, and unlike petrols, Euro 6 is very strict for diesel, especially in ULEZ, because you only need a Euro 4 petrol car, or Euro 3 motorcycle, to be compliant. On the other hand, diesel has to be Euro 6.
@@josephmarsh8235I know the older Hyundai Ioniq is one of the most efficient EVs. It's a similar shape to a Toyota Prius. But it can do 150 miles with a 28kwh battery pack. The Nissan leaf does 104 miles with a 30kwh battery pack. The Ioniq 6 is supposed to be even more efficient. The Ioniq 5 is a hatchback and is less efficient then the original Ioniq.
@@micheals1992 makes sense. There could be a number of reasons, especially with weight, driving, tyre pressures, batteries, engines and more. I just learnt a lot online through car channels like Donut Media, Carwow, Top Gear and my favourite online mechanic Scotty Kilmer.
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Diesels are better if you can take the DPF off! More torque, better economy, better soundproofing, faster midrange acceleration. Low revs means more relaxed to drive. Lower CO2 than a petrol. Phased out to find new ways of taxing people even if better for the environment. With high MPG it meant less fuel bought, so less tax.
Good to see the tests done with both types, and in particular the latest Corolla hybrid. I now run the current Yaris hybrid, which to a large degree is very similar, albeit smaller - better than the previous Yaris. The Corolla is made in Derby, with the engines in North Wales, whereas the Yaris is assembled in Valenciennes, northern France. Years ago, the last diesel I ran was a Honda Civic with the 1.6l engine, which was the most efficient one I had, at least for long runs. It did well at higher speeds, because it had lots of tweaks to drag down the aerodynamic resistance - even low ground clearance (not nice on rough surfaces, though), sealed doors, other minor items etc, and it had the Michelin “energy saver” tyres on. On account of all that, it just came under the zero road tax figure on test (when there was zero tax below 100 g/km, to encourage the use of modern diesel engines, in 2013). In round numbers, at higher speeds about two thirds of the resistance is down to air resistance, with the other third being down to wheel resistance, with that bit being variable with the tyre products. Thus the latter bit is more important at lower speeds. I often do day trips that are affected by the wind direction - east/west typically, which is quite noticeable on the trip meter display. So a 30 mph headwind at 70 mph is like 100 mph on a calm day. The best figure I had was with a named storm behind me one day! The confounding factor when comparing diesel with petrol thermal efficiency is, of course, the notably different thermal content of the two. It’s roughly 9.7 kWh/litre for E10 petrol, and 10.7 kWh/litre for diesel. Of course, the excise duty is per unit volume, not energy content, so the less we get, the more we pay (with VAT on top), although petrol is often a bit cheaper per litre than diesel, depending on the season.
who would still raise pitchforks about starting an going ? people living in the 80s or something ? what wouldnt be news is the diesel is worse cold.. heck that can go on for a while too if its cold outside, not just the engine has to heat up, the o2 sensors and things have to get pretty toasty too.. till those are hot and reading properly, on mine anyway it basically runs rich.
I own an 2012 Auris Hybrid and it is the best car I ever owned. It's very reliable, reasonably comfortable, easy to drive and extremely economical. Low maintenance combined with low running costs hits at least my spot... we have driven this car across Europe and it has 240.000 km on the clock and I use it as a daily driver to work and back. Little to no problems at all. It's on its second set of brakes, first hybrid battery, had to change the AC cooler last year and a stabi rod on the suspension and that's it. Rust is no issue so far and the car is holding up pretty good for its age and mileage. Fuel consumption is around 4 to 4.7 liters per 100km depending on the road conditions. In the city one can achieve figures below 3.5l/100km, on country roads around 4.2l/100km and.on a motorway app 5.5l 30:22 /100km. I will drive this car until it dies on me, no need for something else and my next car is either a corolla 1.8 or a RAV4 hybrid.
I do find the fuel consumption for the Toyota on the motorway quite disappointing. I drive about 38k miles a year and currently drive a Volvo XC60 T6 recharge (small battery). On motorways at 120-130 km/h it uses about 6.5l. In the UK for the long drive it was just above 6l/100km. That’s a difference of only about 1.2l/100km for a car that is considerably heavier, less aerodynamic and way more powerful. In the city and on secondary roads my consumption is lower, but there I use the PHEV advantage. And I am sure my V60 T6 will be better than the XC60. But all and all: the smaller Toyota isn’t that much more economical than a bigger, more comfortable car that is way more fun (and comfortable) to drive. Bigger engines can be efficient in the correct circumstances.
I got one myself. Going ~120-130km/h mine sits around 4.4L/100km. That's 47% more efficient than your Volvo. Most of my driving is during the daytime however, then the Dutch speed limit is 100km/h. At that speed, my average is ~3.6 liters/100km. The key point with Toyota's hybrid system is to not constantly drive it agressively. If you do so, economy takes a nose dive, especially at 120-130km/h.
I own a C-HR hybrid. Drove 2k on holiday. Mostly 120/130kph on the German autobahn. Real (not bc) consumption 4.8L/100km. Most important thing… no worries about ADAC…
Toyota Hybrids are very efficient and reliable. That's why virtually every Uber etc car is a Toyota Hybrid. Other car manufacturers are not nearly so good. As you pointed out there are various forms of 'Hybrid' technology and I think that Dispatches Documentary may have been looking at some of the less efficient cars on the market that don't perform as claimed.
Yep! Only the DC/DC convertor tends to break during the warranty period. Mine broke too on my ~5 year old Corolla Hybrid with ~90k km, but got fixed for free at the dealer. It's a 2k Euro component excluding labor though haha.
My brother's Seat Leon from 2001 1.9tdi after chiptuning goes 3.6l/100km on a highway and I know it's a highway so revs are low but still that's really good
Id hazard a guess the toyota's computer is more accurate because. 1. toyota QC FAR outshines anything from any french manufacturer. 2. relying largely on an electric motor, and with little variance in the ICE units RPM, its probably far easier to calculate the useage.
Or maybe... just maybe after driving nearly 140k miles, the injectors are a little worn and therefore inject a tiny bit more fuel than a brand new cars injectors?
Yes but only if its a Toyota hybrid since they are the best at making reliable hybrids and reliable cars in general, a Mercedes Diesel or VW Diesel is a very good choice too. Toyota vs Citroen is an automatic win for Toyota.
This test is 100% useless. Why? No1 You are not driving the cars the exact same way so it could differ quite a bit. No2 the trip computer often lie up to 25% Tip to next time. Drive at night and set the cruise control different kind of roads. And most importantly, calculate the fuel consumption at the pump, use more then 10 liters or so just for the pump at the station to stop pumping they way it should ment to be not so you could tap a bit extra on any.
That's a lovely car Richard! Your other half sounds a bit like me, I admit to being a nervous driver and used to let my other half do most of the driving especially the motorways. Just me now so I have to do it all, I don't want to be a nuisance to my Children they're all busy getting on with their lives, I'm not as bad as I was though.
I hate diesels. I hate their vibrations. I hate their smell. I hate diesel turbo lag. I hate how diesel gears feel. I hate diesels clutch. I hate how they sound. Petrol or specially a hybrid is on completely another level of comfort. It is almost like comparing VW Golf vs MB S class in my mind. Diesels are on the category of their own. Bottom tier no matter the emissions label. Too many compromises. I bought e61 530d lci manual a month+ ago and still regret it. It is like driving a fast tractor.
I love my Mondeo diesel. Remapped to 190bhp and once warmed up, it soon quietens down whilst on the move, with only a hint of turbo whistle when I floor it. I understand, diesels aren't for everyone though.
Toyota doesn't have CVT transmission, but E-CVT which is VERY different thing. It's so common mistake to call E-CVT a CVT. Crazy different designs and way of working for those transmission. More YT experts keep using this names as they would mean the same the more confusion out there! Corolla likes 50miles/h speed, specially when it's up and down. If battery is full it will use electric motor a lot, which can be seen on energy flow graphic.
That peugeot-citroen 1.5L diesel engine was a marvel of efficiency. I owned the previous C4 model (the coupe one): coupled with the insane aero and light weight it had excellent fuel economy especially on the motorway. Pity that the 90hp version didn't have a sixth gear.
Diesal engines are usually more efficient in lower gears ,for example, in 30 mph zone, you would be in 4th gear in a diesal but be 6th gear for petrol.
1.6 liter turbo for my case. I drove peugeot 208 in my town, having a lot of elevations and heavy traffic. Stop and go including the huge capacity to start the engine again without hitting the battery, I was so impressed on its insane level of efficiency. I miss it but I moved on to Clio mk 4 because it's the only option I can have in this crazy Hyundai's kindom.
I had a Citroen C3 1.4 diesel for over 17 years & traded it in for a new Suzuki 1.2 soft hybrid Ignis last March. They both did about 70 mpg. So what I want is a hybrid diesel so may get 100 mpg then 😁
Diesel can't be beat for long motorway trips up n down country at constant speeds that's the main selling point, be interested see price the Toyota vs equal diesel
I have a 2013 Lexus GS450h with an older version on Toyotas hybrid system, it amazes me how good on fuel it is. Even though it is still a 3.5 V6 i can easily manage high 40s on a run, ive even seen over 50mpg on a steady run.
I just wanna say thanks, I recently passed my test with 0 faults, and a lot of it has to do with watching and learning from your videos. Even though I'm from Australia these videos were still incredibly useful and relevant for passing the test. You're a legend keep doing what you're doing.
@irvinewayne4086 they don't make them because they will be too economical. If that corolla hybrid had a 1.6hdi engine in it, it would be extremely economical, over 100mpg would be possible because diesel engine can handle heavy loads no problem. Hybrid petrol is a sad story, I already owned one in my channel.
@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs Haha. No. Diesel hates short ways and cold starts - precisely what a petrol engine has to survive when paired with an electric engine. It would wear heavily during city runs and would likely fail under this duress soon after 100 000 km (especially the High-pressure Direct Injection - "HDI"). There is a reason behind the pidly 1.8 L petrol engine with just 98 hp - indirect petrol injection and very simple construction, no DPF, no turbo. Also, there is no need for the excessive torque of diesels, which would just need better and larger gearbox... Of course, the HDI + el. eng. might sound interesting for highways.... but... why the "+ el. eng.", then? TL;DR: There is a good reason behind pairing petrol and hybrid engines.
@Sunshrine2 I owned both toyota prius plug-in hybrid and citroen c4 1.6hdi. I am a taxi driver. Fuel cost is the number one expense I have to reduce to survive. Citroen is the best car I've ever used as a taxi not the hybrid. Check videos I made about my prius 5 years ago! The hybrid was a disaster for me. I even built a bigger battery with a tesla module to try to cut costs but it was useless. I am speaking from experience.
The trip computer on my car is always 100% accurate. Because it doesn't have a trip computer. I just work out the economy myself from the pump and miles. (well actually Fuelly does that for me but...)
Did you drive Toyota as any other vehicle or did you use any technics how to make the consumption even lower? For example, if you raise up the gas pedal swiftly, the engine shuts off immediately and you get more electric drive. Those rolling country roads are perfect for that. Also there's a marker in the economy meter to identify when the gas engine kicks in. That's the "ECO" marker half way between CHARGE and POWER. Use petrol engine to accelerate a little bit over speed and then raise up the gas pedal for 0,5s and then try to keep the econymy meter just under the ECO to stay as long as possible in EV drive. You'll be able to cut 20% more of your consumpition, if you know the tricks.
I agree. The speed limits appear quite different to where I live (Poland). The normal limit for "country roads" would be 90 kmh here, but that's mostly for somewhat wider roads with hard-shoulders and not in a proximity of human settlements. 60 mph feels really fast on a twisty, hilly road without a hard-shoulder. On the other hand, 110 kmh (70 mph) seems _very_ slow as the top speed you can drive with on a motorway! Although, one has to admit, that the British motorways _are_ different -- on ours, the slip roads are much more sparse.
@@barsorrroYes , that would be the same here in Sweden where the country roads are wider with hard shoulder. Whenever I do drive in England it usually takes a while to get used to the higher speeds on those narrow roads.
Did you tune the vx220 yourself? Or at least tweak the fuel tables yourself. cars with ITBs must be quite difficult to tune, do you just rely on throttle position sensor? I'd love to get into tweaking/tuning.. I've got more experience with diesels. I feel like without a rolling road you'd not get a reliable way to test things though.
I got the base set up from a tuner using a rolling road. I spent many months maybe even a year tweaking the setup. Especially for different weather conditions. It would have been easier with an electronic throttle as the cable would stretch and due to it's location would get a bit wet meaning it rusted and got sticky. It taught me to appreciate factory setups and all the effort that goes into making them reliable. Probably my last modified car.
That's a really good in-depth review of Toyota's Hybrid system VS diesel * One thing worth mentioning is that diesel cars is not ideal for people who looking for do short journeys or drive it in cities as the DPF system will get clogged* it's best for long journeys and motorways
A couple of other factors, diesel is roughly 20 pence a gallon more expensive, also in cold weather the heating in petrol cars kicks in quicker than diesel cars something my partner always complain about on short journeys. I’ve just purchased a 2022/03 Hyundai hybrid and observing the display it appears to use the battery power a lot of the time. I’ve just parted with my 2013 Citroen Picasso 1.6 diesel with 107,000 miles on the clock and apart from the usual things that wear out the serpentine belt and tensioners were the only faulty part that needed replacing.
Years ago I did something similar. My grandad brought is first hybrid it was a Toyota Prius 56 plate. My dad had a VW Bora tdi 130 sport. We found the Prius to be more economical around town but the bora was much more economical on a run. So it looks like it’s still the same as before you need to look at the type of driving you do and pick the type of car that suits your needs. Me and my wife have gone down to one car we did have a seat Altea 2.0tdi dsg and a Toyota Yaris 1.33 MMT We kept the Toyota because cheaper road tax around town the economy where most the driving is done the Toyota was more economical. A roads very similar it was only on long motorway journeys that the diesel would be a lot more economical and you were looking at nearly 20 mpg difference. But it’s rare to do such long trips.
I like your videos they are very good. But your persona makes me chuckle its very nerdy unironically and a bit like alan partridge as a driving instructor!
A much better comparison would have been to compare a 2023 diesel to the Corolla while including the starting price of both cars to get a better idea of the economy.
They’re more expensive to run than EVs Understandably, many drivers complain of the high cost of switching to an EV, because the sticker price, or monthly payment, is higher than that of an equivalent diesel car. Used EVs are also still relatively rare. However, while switching to an EV seems expensive, it might not be as expensive as you think, when you take the total cost of ownership (TCO) into account. EVs have fewer moving parts, so repairs and maintenance are less expensive; charging an EV from your domestic tariff - even at recent high prices - is about half the cost of filling a tank with diesel; and demand for used EVs means that they command a relatively high resale value. Add those together and most owners will find that running an EV is, in fact, not as pricey as a diesel.
Also if you own a car with a turbo. You should let the car idol for 30 seconds before turning the engine off. This allows the turbo spool to fully settle and allow oil to remain there
somewhat different now with start /stop tech... if you park your car and then engine turns off for the start/stop function, you can just turn the engine off.... if it doesn't, let it idle as you say..
Very interesting video - I’ve got a 2019 Kia Ceed diesel. Drive about 15,000 miles a year and it averages 60-65mpg on a run, possibly a bit more if driven very carefully. Modern hybrids can be good but are twice the price of a used diesel which you have to factor in
Human Health - Exposure to diesel exhaust can lead to serious health conditions like asthma and respiratory illnesses and can worsen existing heart and lung disease, especially in children and the elderly.
Hi Ritchard Id love to see you do some diy car reapir and maintinace content on your other channel I can tell you are really enthusiatcic and knowledgable about cars and me and many others would love to see it!
i have a brand new mercedes gla 200d with the 2.0 diesel i do in 90 km h 3.6 liter for 100 km 150cv. i have a stelvio 2.2 210cv diesel im able to do on this kind of road 4.7 liters for 100 km with air conditioning on both of them. i hade a toyota c hr 1.8 hybrid, i was able to do 36 km at liter but in spring time, in winter 21 22km for liter bat in flat road, in the same road that i do with the mercedes and alfaromeo stelvio ita was only doin 19 20 liter for km and with hybrid you have to driving allways easy and kind because in summer the battery is allways overheated and drive only in gasoline, if you drive rough o normally the battery overheat too and cut the electricity part of the hybrid and go only on gasoline consuming a lot and not pushing at all. i don't like it in fact i went back to diesel i don't give a shit about europe shit and if every one stop buyng electric they can't force to stop termic engine. and ps the toyota computer allways say 2-3 km more than what it was in reality.
I'm driving diesel Golf , this is my 4th diesel now (before that I was driving petrols), and all I have to say is this is the last diesel for me , no more sir. From now on it will be some Japanese naturaly aspirated petrol...
A few years ago, I was given a Ford Mondeo Vignale 2.0 Hybrid (Atkinson engine, non-plug in on 235 width tyres) which weighed 1650kg . I drove that to Manchester and back regularly. Best I achieved was hypermiling (56mph, gentle accel not to kick in engine, regen braking only) it and got 42.5 mpg. In my 2.0 diesel Peugeot 407 which also weighed 1650kg on 235 width tyres, I can do the same journey, at the same speed and get 65mpg. The Mondeo was about 10 years newer and with 100k less miles on the clock. Quite disappointed in the results!
@@dd9ag Please elaborate and provide proof... the private hire's in London are mostly Prius, which is a class down from the Mondeo (hence weighs less, closest competitor would be between the Focus and Fiesta). The Ford is a very attractive package, Atkinson engine, CVT gearbox and an excellent charging / use system allowing one pedal driving. Toyota will be more reliable...but that's not a metric I touched on.
@@khalidacosta7133 well the Toyota isn’t just more reliable it’s more economical as you proved. A lot seem to be Prius plus 7 seaters which are just as spacious as mondeos.
@@dd9ag I don't think you understand how car manufacturers operate platforms. The Mondeo is a platform above the Prius platform, which requires better NVH. This increases weight, decreasing fuel economy, amongst other things. It is irrelevant to speculate one has better fuel economy or not, based on what you "feel" and what taxi drivers in London use. The closest competitor, the Toyota Camry Hybrid has an official fuel economy of 53mpg. I'll stick with my diesel where I get 56mpg without a problem.
@@khalidacosta7133 oh sure i do, i get that the mondeo is a d segment car. The prius is arguably a c segment car so as you say the mondeo will be heavier and less fuel efficient. But i have a RAV 4 hybrid which is more efficient. It’s possible the mondeo is longer but it has similar space and refinement to a d segment car yet i get 50-60 mpg. The official mpg of the camry you quite is wltp, i bet the wltp of a mondeo is less. But anyway you were talking about a hybrid mondeo weren’t you?
The big fault in the test is that you are comparing a very outdated diesel model. They changed quite a bit a few years newer with the next gen enegine. If you used the 2017 Diesel Citroen C4 Blue HDI it would match the Hybrid in emissions as it is also Euro 6, and will be about 10% better on fuel. Autotrader figures has the newer C4 on combined 78.5mpg while the 2012 C4 HDI returns 70.6. So would be around the mpg of the hybrid. In the real world the odd thing is that people seem to get hybrids in huge great SUVs that are not aerodynamic and so far worse than they could be on fuel.
I have a Toyota Corolla 1.8 hybrid . I bought it in September 2021 and I have found it to be very economical and also a great drive .I enjoyed watching this video . Thanks
My previous car was a Vauxhall Insignia sports tourer ( Estate) 2.0 Diesel ( Manual Transmission ) and I regularly make a journey from Staffordshire to Norwich a distance of 175 miles and as long as I stayed within the speed limit I was able to get 66 mpg . I now have a Vauxhall Mokka 1.4 t petrol ( Automatic Transmission ) and doing the same journey I can only get 45 mpg .
I think the Documentry you are on about Richard, taken into account the emmisions of building a car Diesel/Electric car, then running them for life expectancy of a normal car, then compared the difference, and it wasn't on the first set of batteries for the electric car due to the manufacturing process. using petrol automatics in a week, and no hybrids, it was costing me more than the diesel C4 Picasso automatic I had, so for the hybrid to have kept up, then some serious battery power advantage, as the hire cars I was using were 23 plate, and they couldn't keep up with my old car pound for pound was nearly double. the electric car I got is about comparable with the diesel, but that is because I got to pay stupid prices for electric at the service stations until I get a discount card.
This hybrid is far more economical than a typical petrol car as the engine is able to run more efficiently. The battery's purpose is to allow the engine to be more efficient.
Thank you for this test! Nearly all my journeys are ‘country road’ and you are the first person to inform me how a full hybrid compares with a diesel. REALLY interesting!
Let's compare your hybrid to MY, unhobbled up, 41-yr-old Mercedes 300TD diesel. Will your hybrid be running 41 years from now WITHOUT major overhaul? 4 speed auto tranny never been overhauled, either. Tyres last 35,000 to 48,000 miles. My car recharges to 100% in 3 minutes. My last car payment was in 1988, when I paid $2800 for it at 270,000 miles.
A 12 years older Citroen, which was never frugal compared to a brand new Toyota the most economical car ever, added 7% penalty to the old Citroen and the test had to be flexible to make hybrid appear economical. It sucks, especially because I just changed my 2015 Corolla diesel to a brand new Corolla hybrid and yes I miss my old banger.
That Toyota is good….the CH-R is based on that too. Something I’m considering next time…but the new CH-R is very expensive. It seems old or not so old regular petrol & diesel can be improved to a point not needing a vast amount of technology to get a decent mpg, but to got more than this requires lots of tech & money. Is it worth it? As with comparing the hybrid to the diesel… In a similar way, I have the last generation Honda with a regular V-TEC earth dreams petrol engine…fully upto date and designed for E10 and above…and CVT auto. In summer I get 52-53mpg…..I don’t have a turbo or a hybrid system, just start/stop. If I lived somewhere without hills, I would easily get more mpg. To go the next step, the only way is to spend a fortune and have a far more complex system with many more points of failure. Labour have said if they win power, looks certain, they will bring back the original 2030 cut off date for new conventional petrol/diesel cars….i assume hybrid cut off date remains 2035 as before. Other than the practical aspects of owning a full EV (range + public charging-half of uk households don’t have a driveway)…should we bypass the hybrid option completely and go straight for EV…..if those practical probs aren’t probs?
now imagine a hybrid diesel, that diesel engine, just with a system that lets it start off without the engine running, imagine that corolla hybrid with a 1.4 d4d, the mpg would be amazing. the diesel gets close to the hybrid without any electric assistance.
Obviously, price when new & depreciation always come into it as regards running costs, servicing costs too....VED & insurance too As regards fuel economy...I cannot think of a better way to burn fuel than drive with the A/C on and, with a skillful driver using their brain with eco-safe driving will always be more economical than a computer chip driven auto or CVT. I am an ADI and run a 2020 Vauxhall Corsa D for teaching....it averages 60mpg combining my driving and theirs, but mine alone is usually around 70-75 mpg, WITHOUT A/C, with A/C around 5mpg is lost. No doubting city driving with the Toyota when it`s in it`s element, but overall the diesel will always be better economically, even more so taking into account depreciation, initial cost, servicing & insurance.
The biggest problem is people don't drive a hybrid correctly to achieve great mpg you need good forward planning and to break early and steadily to get the best out of the regen and to accelerate within the eco band, if its in electric mode accelerate gently and when the engine kicks on accelerate more rapidly to help reduce engine run time
I am driving a 2008 SAAB 9-3 2.0 turbo with LPG installed. SAAB engines are not economical, but still, i get 11l/100km highway and around 14.5l/100km. Its 7euros highway and 10 euros city per 100 km. Diesel engines suck, maybe hybrid is close to that. If you can, make some tests with LPG car.
It's bit of a pointless comparison. The Toyota has one o the lowest Hydrocarbon and CO2 emissions of any Internal Combustion Powered car in the World. When stationary at the traffic light it is on battery on HAS ZERO EMMISIONS, whereas the diesel chucks out shit All Day Every day. No Contest Buy a Toyota Self Charging Hybrid, Save the Planet and get get great MPG. Battery life is 15 years before replacement, same for the catalyst. The Prius has been in production for over 23 years, Also Toyota said it would grant licenses on nearly 24,000 patents on technologies used in its Prius, They are decades in front of the rest of the world
