Dietary alternatives to long-term caloric restriction | Peter Attia & Steven Austad

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This clip is from episode #171 of The Drive - Longevity science: caloric restriction studies, aging biomarkers & possible longevity molecules | Steve Austad, Ph.D.
In this episode, Peter is joined by Steve Austad, Ph.D. a distinguished professor of biology at the University of Alabama and director of one of the Nathan Shock Centers of Excellence in aging biology.
In this clip, we discuss:
- Ways to transition away from the typical American diet
- Time restricted feeding
- Which type of dietary restriction gives us the best insight on health benefits
- How fasting and suppressing mTOR can have multiple health benefits
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@jacqueslucas8616 Год назад

Awesome info! More Please!!!

@Alex-dd3oy Год назад

Hope to see more about this topic

@annporter7359 Год назад

❤Pete❤️thank you. Love the show

@SkyKing1717 Год назад

I personally follow the ADMF (Alternate Day Modified Fast) protocol in which I eat just one meal/day consisting of 500-800 Cals on M/W/F, and around 2000 Cals/day the other days of the week. I place heavy emphasis on protein on all days while eating low-carb. This protocol is a great way to not only lose weight, but with slight modifications (increasing calories somewhat on the "fast" days) to maintain one's weight and muscle mass w/o going hungry, and w/o the weight rebound that happens to 90-95% of the population that goes on a so-called temporary diet consisting of calorie restriction. The ADMF protocol is a great way of eating for life!

@susymay7831 Год назад

Your post gave me a lot to think about ❤

@serban2139 Год назад

so caloric restriction, but looking at it weekly, not daily :)

@SkyKing1717 Год назад

@@serban2139 Caloric restriction 3 days/week as opposed to daily, correct. Much more doable and manageable than daily calorie restriction. It's also much better because it keeps your metabolism high since you're eating more calories on your "feast" days, preserves your muscle mass, and keeps you from feeling deprived of the food you love. This is a protocol that can be carried on for life.

@serban2139 Год назад

@@SkyKing1717 works for you, happy for you. Defo the psychogical game is important

@trucututrucutu6071 Год назад

YES, WE SHOULD'NT FEEL WE'RE ON A DIET, THAT'S KEY FOR LONG-TERM RESULTS

@selma5885 Год назад

I did the Fasting mimicking diet from prolon. I've suffered from chronic illness for 27 years despite trying diets of all sort, exercising regularly etc etc. I felt awful the entire fast. Got terribly brain fogged, weaker, more neurological symptoms ( have neuro issues). It was challenging for me. Hungry the entire 5 days. I did recover after re-introducing food, but won't be doing that again. I do intermittent fasting-- hasn't stoppe dhigh BP from developing... not a miracle cure fro my other issues.

@colinb8332 Год назад

What’s you’re diet like in general?

@Dosadniste2000 Год назад

Thank you for saying it like it is.

@Dosadniste2000 Год назад

@@colinb8332 My food is perfect. IF is simply bad advice, especially for women.

@selma5885 Год назад

@@colinb8332 whole foods, no to low salt, lots of organic veg, fruit, some whole grains. No dairy except for occasional blue cheese, parmesean reg, goat cheese. Done long periods of no dairy. Eggs a couple of times a week, nuts/seeds/legumes. Some fish and poultry. Red meat on rare occasion. Over the years I've done blood type for O diet, anthony william worked with (he is a con artist) which was high raw low fat vegan, vegan. I"m gluten free. I was dairy fee as well for over a decade. I'm 61. I do a hilly walk 2 miles each day and yoga.

@user-jm3rg8zr1r Год назад

@@selma5885No salt... yeah, good luck with that

@josephfloyd727 Год назад

Great info. The over the shoulder shot is really distracting though.

@privatesuzie4071 Год назад

What is the intervention testing program?

@nancyw8341 Год назад

I heard Jheri Redding teaching this 40 years ago in his lectures.

@soldier-boy-fitness Год назад

I think fasting works temporarily while you fast. And fantastically with a great whole food diet. If after your fast and then you stuff yourself with high sugar foods, unhealthy fats, and too much alcohol. Your back to square one at being unhealthy especially on the inside.

@JCKeus-cx1wm Год назад

Yeah, but people know eating junk makes one sick, so why even go there again. Also: we are not made to eat all day long all year round. In wintertimes there was way less food available. The body is fully adapted to feast and fast. Every other narrative is pushed by food industry which don't care about health, nor about people. Only care about the money.

@lifesrealityis Год назад

‘Doesn’t take that much fasting!’ ‘Short term fasts’ A 23hr fast for a mouse is DAYS for a human. 2-3 day for a mouse is like a week for us.

@richardmiddleton7770 Год назад

We live at around 60 times longer than a mouse, so a day to a mouse is like 60 days to us!

@Buzz_Kill71 Год назад

@@richardmiddleton7770 the short lifespan of a mouse is due to high predation. Captive, cared for mice can live up to 4 years so 20 days is more like it...😂

@Bayo106 6 месяцев назад

it's obviously not though.

@cinnamongirl3070 11 месяцев назад

Strict keto OMAD for 7 years now. Clearer thinking, stronger, better endurance, stable mood, and keeping ailments at bay. Eating this way is definitely do-able for life. But of course I get hungry. Hunger is a natural body function and nothing to be afraid of. Too many people don't allow themselves to ever get hungry, eating all day and keeping their insulin levels high. No wonder they can't lose weight and have no energy. And too many people are adamant that they are never hungry while fasting. If anything, a person will start to get hungry in the first 24 hours, before it starts to subside. Being afraid of hunger and being in denial of hunger are both silly.

@alexi2460 Год назад

Makes sense, controlled research on various age groups is needed. Encouraged by Dr J. Fung's videos, I started the food restriction fasting, moving to my second year now. So far did only one 24hour fast and felt great. I'm experimenting with my own health and very old body

@PS-qb8rm Год назад

I should have restricted calories 3 days before listening to these two talk. I didn’t and died of boredom.

@Schutzmassnahmen Год назад

I fast 2 days a Week but not behind each other but I think the best is eating for 4 days a week and pro long fast for 3 days a week but I can, make it work but you?

@yogalifeclubPL Год назад

"pretty new ideas" - not exactly, if you are talking about intermittent fasting. it is actually said in ancient Ayurveda to not eat between the meals and to eat the last meal before 6pm or before 4 pm for healing purposes.

@jilll934 Год назад

Amazing! I do sort of OMAD, I usually have a snack at 3 ( piece of cheese) and dinner at 7 (all carnivore) I think this has definitely been part of why I am healthy and why I can eat as much as I want but remain thin. I also do cheat with snacks, wine or desert at times but keep to time restricted eating. I would love to be in a study like this and see my bio markers and help humanity. Bc currently I’m constantly telling people “no thank you I’m not hungry at 12pm. They think it’s weird I don’t eat lunch or breakfast.

@bobwilliams9061 Год назад

It's rough. Takes apparently 2-4 week for you body to adjust. I'm chewing on my magnolia bush by about 3pm!

@jilll934 Год назад

@@bobwilliams9061 you’ll get through it. The fact you read my comment shows you can! Stay Busy!!! That’s my advice! You’ll forget about hunger. You can always do baby steps- put off eating 1 hour every few weeks or days until you’re where you want to be. Good luck!!! You do not have to do it all at once.

@sebastianyoon3278 Год назад

@Bayo106 6 месяцев назад

that's not omad of fasting. be honest

@jilll934 6 месяцев назад

@@Bayo106 whatever u say! I said “sort of” OMAD bc it’s not a meal, it’s 1 oz of cheese. But ok I do intermittent fasting. Whatever.

@nicktheodorou3474 Год назад

Keep your calorie mostly below what your body can utilise. The most interesting thing for me is endurance athletes who have sugar all day but yet have some of the lowest risk of all cause mortality and type 2 diabetes. I don’t think macros matter too much as that’s the reason why people have success and similar outcomes with both HCLF and LCHF. Personally I do much better long term being in calorie deficit most days with between 1-3 meals a day. Other people may find fasting once a week or once a month to achieve the same deficit easier. Do what works for you but I think the calorie deficit is still behind the benefits.

@Dosadniste2000 Год назад

but then body needs less and less.

@nicktheodorou3474 Год назад

@@Dosadniste2000 Yes! That remains to be the question. How much lean mass and fat is optimal.

@Dosadniste2000 Год назад

@@nicktheodorou3474 I'm also hearing about "slowing down metabolism"

@nicktheodorou3474 Год назад

@@Dosadniste2000Yes! Less lean mass also means slower metabolism.

@Dosadniste2000 Год назад

@@nicktheodorou3474 Oh!

@SaifullahKailani Год назад

So is prolonged (1-3 days) fasting still a good idea for morbidly obese people? ( I ask because you mentioned somewhere that you no longer believe that its a good idea due to muscle loss)

@calebbreidenthal4300 Год назад

I think he mentions in his book that while fasting isn't a favorite overall strategy anymore because of the lean tissue loss, prolonged fasting is still a tool that can be used only in severe cases where lean tissue loss is an acceptable price to pay for severely metabolically ill people. He tells the story of his friend who simply could not stay on track with a ketogenic diet but found that a rigorous fasting routine did work for him. Hope that helps.

@Schutzmassnahmen Год назад

I Like to fast 2 days a week ! And if you exercise regularly you do not have to fear about muscle loss it has to be balanced out fasting is so important for regeneration

@andrewdevito6647 Год назад

Of course it's a good idea, morbidly obese people have fat (stored fuel) literally all over their bodies to use instead of intaking calories

@BerrysJSRD Год назад

In the interview with Don Layman he said we need to activate MTOR this guy says stop it? I'm getting a bit put off by all the contradictory "evidence" in your pod casts. Do we stimulate MTOR or do our best to end it???

@davidduez9234 Год назад

The point is not to have MTOR activated continuously but to have it cycle on and off.

@epigeneticnerd4244 Год назад

The point you’re missing is there should be periods of activation and suppression.

@cyclamen831 Год назад

I agree that the message is somewhat confusing.I think it would be important to have Dr Attia or Dr Layman explain, say in a monthly fashion, how to eat to maintain muscle mass while incorporating these techniques to suppress periodically mTOR. I think the difficulty is also that each age group ( children , teens, adults, and so on) may have different benefits or detriment effects from these two approaches, not to mentioned if you are underweight, nl or overweight. From listening to the entire podcast I have the impression that the best data is all from overweight patients rather than a person say older but truly fit and with normal weight. Perhaps, and that may be the case, the science is not yet there.

@karlpk3907 Год назад

MTOR activiation for muscle protein synthesis is different from MTOR activation in other tissues. Overactive MTOR likely leads to chronic inflammation, which is effectively your immune system ramping up excessively to fight what appears to be a problem, but would be better left alone.

@leenmarier5729 Год назад

I wish I could do intermittent fasting. If I try, I get hypos going down to glycemias of 34. Nearly in a coma.

@richardmiddleton7770 Год назад

You need to start with shorter fasts, like going an extra hour longer before meals. You also need to gradually cut down on carbs and sugars and increase protein, healthy fats and fiber.

@jimsturt Год назад

that's because IF is stupid and doesn't do anything special

@boblatkey7160 Год назад

@@jimsturt Jim, you are totally uneducated and completely full of crap!

@burnhamsghost8044 Год назад

@@jimsturtwrong

@littlevoice_11 Год назад

Standard American diet... one of the USA's most successful exports. The UK and many other countries have adopted this SAD.

@richardmiddleton7770 Год назад

The UK's food standard is much higher than the US. Food from McDonalds in the UK is actually much healthier than in the US. Most of the UK's cattle are well looked after and eat mostly green pasture. We also don't eat bacon on pancakes with maple syrup for breakfast!... with cheese!

@dexterwestin3747 Год назад

@@richardmiddleton7770 Good to hear that. I guess a mad cow outbreak will trigger necessary reforms. It is not difficult to get grass fed, anti-biotic and hormone free beef in the US but our governing body could make it easier for sure. I had heard that McDonald's food isn't as disgusting overseas as it is here in the US. I always wondered what could make someone outside the US want to eat that crap. I have heard eating bacon (or sausage) on the same plate as pancakes but not on top of and certainly not w/cheese.

@littlevoice_11 Год назад

@richardmiddleton7770 true! But it's getting worse. We now drink desserts marketed as coffee. There is also the English traditional favourite of chip sandwiches, bread with main meals (especially when out) and now it's easier and advertised more than ever to "size up" on snacks and meals, alcohol etc for better money savings 😫 Even worse... we now have vending machines in hospitals as well as Costos and fast food chains in the reception for staff, patients and carers 😔

@susymay7831 Год назад

What are the main takeaways from this video?

@theonewhoknocks2835 Год назад

donuts are the key to longevity seed oils promote healthy stools sugar was falsely demonized by big tobacco or you could watch the freaking video you lazy person

@Vasher121 Год назад

Hi peter, are you still doing 3 day fasts?

@iamnatekea Год назад

He is not. Something about irreparable muscle loss caused him to stop.

@dandy8308 Год назад

@iamnatekea I thought that was just 7 day fasts? You 100% sure he stopped 3 days?

@edwardwong654 Год назад

@@dandy8308 Yes he has stopped but if he gets cancer he will fast again.

@lanael7278 Год назад

Does mTor make fibroids grow faster? Is there an evidence that fasting or calorie restriction can kill uterine fibroids?

@epigeneticnerd4244 Год назад

In theory it would mitigate the likelihood and rate of growth. But to “kill it” would take a very long water fast, if it worked at all.

@susanmiller7560 Год назад

Fibroids are (I believe) fed by estrogen. An ultra low fat diet reduces estrogen levels (there are also some foods, like citrus, that are estrogenic). I used an ultra low fat diet to get rid of endometriosis and it worked.

@lanael7278 Год назад

@@susanmiller7560 This is great to know. I did switch to a high fat keto diet, when my periods turned heavy. Thank you for sharing your experience!

@ebangoosa Год назад

@@susanmiller7560just saw on Google that citrus is actually anti-estrogenic🤔

@fhowland 11 месяцев назад

I’ve done a few 3 day fasts. Highly recommended!

@Gian-ni 10 месяцев назад

I'm lean. I just want to be in good health, and I wonder if intermittent fasting works for slim people.

@hailynewma9122 Год назад

you had me at better

@markweslock9169 9 месяцев назад

I have been watching Peter Attia for a few years now. He is convincing when he describes his eating plan. However, every year his plan changes. (Keto, then Carnivore, then something new) I’m wondering who is paying him this year. I’m sticking with Dr. Berg. His plan works and millions of people agree!!!

@lophiz1945 Год назад

So what were the alternatives to CR? Fasting is form of CR.

@iewauhedoc9970 Год назад

I know this video was total click bait, they didn't mention any dietary alternatives to calorie restriction, they just spoke briefly how to do calorie restriction and that it may help recovery.

@Joonzi Год назад

Oh that was a question? 😄

@sarahhagen2051 Год назад

Poor mice 😕

@Joseph1NJ Год назад

I don't think I could do those mutilation experiments on any animal.

@SugarBooger10 Год назад

I know daaaang 😮

@Joseph1NJ Год назад

@@SugarBooger10 🐭

@sonja4164 Год назад

@Joseph1NJ same here.

@Kyarrix Год назад

It is horrific. I question the humanity of anyone who can inflict this kind of pain and suffering on any living creature in the name of research. We are not mice. Results in mice do not prove a similar result in humans. They are simply spending money for a chance at determining something that would have to be proven in humans down the line. It is unacceptable and horrific and the fact that these two can sit there and discuss it calmly causes me to not want to listen to anything that say.

@lisinbondi1240 Год назад

It’s way easier to eat actual good food, not too much just as our grandparents and great grandparents and blue zone people do.

@NN-qj4sk Год назад

What's good food?

@phoenixgirl11 Год назад

@@NN-qj4skno process food or junk food.

@NN-qj4sk Год назад

@@phoenixgirl11 Should I eat everything raw then?

@karenkaren3189 Год назад

@@NN-qj4sk No but cook real food A roast chicken with a baked potatoes and roasted veggies for instance

@NN-qj4sk Год назад

@karenkaren3189 would KFC be real food since it’s just cooked chicken?

@IaneHowe Год назад

Fasting is great as long you keep you protein intake normal otherwise u just eat your own muscle. Lisa Marie Presley just died because ofa blockage on her intestines and she was just eating herself. Her body wasn't absorbing her food.

@dyl923gonz7 Год назад

eating is a toxicity?

@LawDragOn Год назад

Serial killers got their start torturing animals like mice, too.

@isidore1883 Год назад

Sorry but the Dr Austand , does not seem to know all german and russian studies on the subjet , plus those of the Dr Longo!!!!!!

@EvaLou42 Год назад

Fasting is only possible when you have your hormones in check. If your leptin and ghrelin aren’t under control asking someone to fast is virtually an impossible feat. If it was as easy as just telling people to “abstain from food for a while” we wouldn’t have an obesity epidemic.

@drewmccu258 Год назад

What a fucked up study! Poor little guys

@jimsturt Год назад

fasting is caloric restriction. fasting doesn't burn any more calories than counting calories.

@miss.1984 Год назад

MTor is also essential for life, watch dr Ben Bikman, he clarifies that quite well.

@volos_olympus Год назад

mTORc2 is essential for life, mTORc1 is not.

@gayluinstra1396 Год назад

I'm not convinced a three-day fast is actually a healthy thing. It makes me feel like crap.

@HkFinn83 Год назад

It works via the hormetic effect, you wouldn’t expect it to feel good

@markaguilera493 Год назад

Makes me feel good. Been fasting for years though.

@markaguilera493 Год назад

@@HkFinn83 Well it's good if it repairs your muscles and gets rid of lumps for instance.

@non9886 Год назад

when you are healthy you don't need it, it makes rather harm to you. that's the problem. most of people which talk about miracle diets were in deep shit state of health and then they improved. they are usually average at most but they are fanatic about this change. any change, especially when it is objectively for better, can improve health. but it is usually just limited time effect as you eliminate some kind of harm of previous diet. but after some time, new diet weak points will eventually build up too. there is no universal way. one should be mindful, flexible but still instinctive. and continue to learn more about his body and diet. also age, job and lifestyle and even part of the year could change needs of your body and one should include it into whole equation...

@SkyKing1717 Год назад

Try the ADMF (Alternate Day Modified Fast) protocol. You fast for three days of the week restricting your calorie intake to 500-800 Cals/day (eaten in just 1 or spread over 2 meals), and then eat normally the other days of the week. After a few days of eating this way, you actually won't be that hungry, and your hunger will actually disappear within a week, or so. This way of eating will help you to maintain your muscle mass and keep your metabolism high because you're eating normally on your "feast" days. If your motivation is to lose weight, then concentrating on a low-carb way of eating with emphasis on protein is the way to go. Exercising on your "fast" days would accelerate the rate of your fat loss.

@jaymills1720 Год назад

Physics rules the day CICO. How you get there is up to you. Rhonda Patrick, et al. Oversell autophagy. Exercise causes autophagy. Fasting is so hyped and grifters grift on selling programs for it. Absurd.

@helicart Год назад

long-term calorie restriction occurs without effort when you increase your intake of fibrous carbohydrates. most westerners do not eat enough of these. they are lowest in energy density. overweight people replace them with foods with higher energy density, and therefore gain weight. further, the higher energy density foods are not as high in nutrient density.

@beingL Год назад

What are some examples of these fibrous carbs? Sweet potato? Celery? Pear?

@helicart Год назад

@@beingL it sounds like you need to get a book out of a public library on nutrition, or have a consult with a dietitian.

@beingL Год назад

Oh you are being critical without being helpful or providing clarity? Okay, sweet potatoes, celery, and pears are all sources of carbohydrates in case you don’t understand that.

@firehorse5206 Год назад

What horseshit

@Dylaniated Год назад

These kinds of trials will never happen unless maybe they're crowd funded or "influencer" led

@TheGutFeels Год назад

Soon we will be the mice for AI 😅

@clanyoung14 2 месяца назад

Why say carbs or protein? What about veggies or beans? It is not an either or. There are other alternatives.

@deanramos2449 Год назад

does that mean 3rd worlds countries will live longer as they dont have access to foods easily😮

@SonnyDarvishzadeh Год назад

The term 3rd worlds is a bit murky as many developing countries are also in that bracket, yet have no nutritional issues :)

@williamchase5698 Год назад

I think there would be other contributing factors to shorter life span than just the food.

@Geezerelli Год назад

@@williamchase5698 Crocodiles, Tigers, and 🦛

@ebangoosa Год назад

@SonnyDarvishzadeh thank you! "Third world country' is not acceptable phraseology anymore.

@slouzstouvre Год назад

What is the preferred phrasing? Is third world offensive?

@TheAlmost89 Год назад

Standard American diet = SAD

@bellelacroix5938 Год назад

Any attempt to "cure" a health issue with "diet" should depend on the problem. Otherwise get smart about daily requirements for your own self, including movement,sleep, emotions. We all should be q guided by clear knowledge from childhood. Get rx drugs, junkfooand, and porn OUT of media!

@bellelacroix5938 Год назад

Also as for experimenting on humans or trials ask people like me how we lost 50+ lbs in one year without suffering. I just cut out all grain and sugar. Ate potatoes and a huge salad a day with lots of protein in the form of hard cooked egg chicken breast walnuts seeds kidney beans garbanzo bean all the vegetables all the green sprinkling of blue cheese or parmesan and for dressing one tablespoon olive oil several tablespoons of vinegar. Ate omelettes of all sorts with just a teaspoon of cream cheese for flavor no other cheese in my diet no butter no high-fat creams or any other kind of fat besides a little peanut butter on a half a banana in the evening avocado along with the nuts and olive oil all minimal and at 53 I looked in my early 30s and got into my size 4 Levi's after being a size 16 lost my cravings at two weeks by drinking kombucha whenever I had one and lots of herbal infusions. Try it.

@oanairani41 Год назад

David Sinclair eats only once a day, fully vegetarian now....probably for the longevity benefit

@Antelocapra7 Год назад

I eat low plant, almost carnivore, am almost Sinclair's age, and he looks like my father. So there's that.

@susanmiller7560 Год назад

@@Antelocapra7 He is 54 and looks like he's in his mid to late thirties.

@dandy8308 Год назад

I think the most important factor is what's the data like...Not whether your favourite science guru does or doesn't do something, especially when it's David Sinclair who talks quite a lot of theoretical shit

@oanairani41 Год назад

@@dandy8308 Absolutely... My favorite channel about nutrition is The Proof, Simon Hill. So many claims about nutrition, without science and studies to back it up.

@ebangoosa Год назад

@@susanmiller7560🧢, he looks his age, come on now.

@christophboesch Год назад

Food as toxin. So neurotic....

@justsleeping372 Год назад

Blood sugars do not have to be out of range to cause problems the ranges are incorrect blood sugars and it’s affect on dementia patients and people without dementia bloodsugars in the mid too high 90s is it enough to have catastrophic effects contributes to violent outbursts and uncontrollable emotions I wonder how many people are in prisonBecause of the food and it’s effects on their minds

@KJB0001 Год назад

a psychiatric RN at a shelter told a schizophrenic woman (who desperately hated her meds) to stop stealing sweets and carby junkfood and to steal jerky, cheese, nuts, etc - she basically used keto to stop her scary episodes! It worked!!

@jimsturt Год назад

this is based on what evidence?

@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951 Год назад

Mediterranian diet, better more smaler meals daily, so no hypoglycemia. 😁🤩🤭😏🙄

@silentrunning9847 Год назад

Good grief thanks for the graphic details on the research. 🤢

@roustabout4fun Год назад

8:00 ironically.

@DoubleTheDom Год назад

So basically nothing was said in this video lol

@ronlabe5487 Год назад

Time restricted eating and the ketovore diet isn't new. That's how all humans lived for 100k years. Eating processed garbage is the new trial and it's not going well.

@kaszapnagypeter Год назад

Time restricted diet is an other form of calorie restriction.

@treycaldwell4118 Год назад

Great questions poor answers

@johntravis7304 Год назад

Ugh Damit no proper discussion on carnivore. What is it going to take to get people over vegetables? At least for that few week segment he is talking about for studies man.

@jacksonthomas3775 Год назад

Eat less, eat good food, whatever time frame is convenient for you, not rocket science!

@Kyarrix Год назад

It is disgusting and offensive and ethically insupportable that people do these kinds of horrific procedures on other creatures in the name of research. There is no way to justify that. We are not mice. The fact that you get a result in mice does not prove a similar result in humans. I would question the humanity of people who can perform horrific experiments on any living creature. I am an attorney and if I could prosecute this, I would in a heartbeat.

@karlpk3907 Год назад

Then we learn very little about biology and very little about we can do to help people. Are people more important than laboratory mice? For example, suppose it is true that people who have fasted recover better from surgery, but we don't know that because we have not tested it on mice. So rather than knowing how that mechanism works, we proceed with the surgery and some people who would have lived actually die had WE known from an experiment with mice. Remember this principle-- sometimes there is no perfect solution, there are instead only tradeoffs. Would you trade the life of a laboratory mouse for the life of a loved one? Because that is the tradeoff that, ultimately, you think is either worth it or not. By your comment, you think not. I bet you are in the distinct minority.

@Kyarrix Год назад

@@karlpk3907 Sophistry. You're making arguments without substance. Torturing mice doesn't give us real information about human bodies and how humans will react. We aren't rodents. The fact that something works or doesn't work in a mouse is indicative of precisely nothing for a human being. Many of these research labs are doing these things to justify their grants. It is abusive and ethically and morally insupportable. Why do you believe that it is okay to torture animals without any real gain? What in that is appealing to you? Perhaps these are questions you should interrogate on your own before responding here.

@phoenixgirl11 Год назад

@@karlpk3907the comment above has a point. We are not mice. What might work for a mice may not work for a human. They are just speculating and to make an animal suffer for something that they are not sure about is wrong. If we can send people to the moon and have cars that drive themselves,I’m sure we can figure out how to find answers without making animals suffer. Specially when is just speculating.

@karlpk3907 Год назад

@@phoenixgirl11 True, it might not be applicable,, but then again it might because mice are mammals and so are we. If you think we should never do experiments using other animals, who clearly are not as intelligent as we are, because all living things are somehow precious, that's your prerogative to believe. But it is a belief. Then you simply have decided to forego the potential advances we we, as humans, might achieve, as OUR species. Remember, the lions don't care whether their prey survives as a species. They have simple survival imperatives; they do not and cannot think in those terms. We, as humans ARE different. We know the differences and understand tradeoffs.

@richardmiddleton7770 Год назад

They are labratory mice, not pets or wild mice picked out of fields! Have you any idea how many mice and other small animals die due to farming for your vegan diet?! Sorry, I'm assuming you're vegan!

@danieltuval8879 Год назад

Unfortunately couldn't listen past that disgusting animal cruelty, it's a pity it's come to mistreating animals like this for purposes of finding benefits of fasting which has got some pretty good science behind it already based on the amount of people myself included who can see and feel the real world health benefits of shorter term fasting both physically manifested and in how it improves health issues ranging from diabetes to cancer auto immune etc

@swimbait1 Год назад

Agree. It’s insane what we do to animals in the name of “research”

@tammyscott9664 6 месяцев назад

Horrific to hear that…

@edwood5535 Год назад

As a mouse watching this, I'm finding this content pretty triggering.

@chrissargent4472 Год назад

Loves to hear himself talk a bit too much. You could make these points in a fraction of the time.

@justsleeping372 Год назад

You keep loosing the respect you’ve earned People don’t have a choice when the food has been made to be more addictive than cocaine someone needs to start putting these people/serial killers responsible in prison for the rest of there lif

@lena-mariaglouis-charles7036 Год назад

"People don't have a choice"? Excuse me??? How about taking some personal responsibility for Your own food choices? Then again, it's so much easier blaming others for Your poor choices, isn't it...?

@sonjaforrester9255 Год назад

I think children are the victims. Parents can do all they can and can't protect them from food for very long.

@nsiebenmor Год назад

Maybe with fast food. But if you make the choice to not eat out and also only buy unprocessed foods at the grocery store you’re doing good.

@sonjaforrester9255 Год назад

@@nsiebenmoryes but they go to friends houses and soon asking to walk to a fast food place. I agree it's a balance. I just wish it was so appealing to eat junk.