I tried both but 16" is dangerously twitchy on long descents...they're only great for flat city streets but they are slow unless you put a 60T crank and pedal like crazy to reach high speeds...they ride rough on cobbled streets and dirt roads...so 20" with multi speed is better.
Bigger wheels 20" are more stable when riding on any kind of roads. Speeding is also another consideration for bigger wheels over 16" for long riding journey. Cost will also be the last factor of consideration. I rather spend less for similar functions and use the extra cash to upgrade or purchase another better bike as technology improves..
Still riding my Dahon Curve D3 16" Apple Schwable tyres for many3 years. Being around Malaysia just bring it along on the bus express compartment and space saving in my hotel room. Now adding Qiroll fraction for paddle assist. A happy rider 🙂
16” wheel is ideal size and indirectly have its own identity as foldie.20” wheel looks more or less like bmx.Only different higher seat and stem post.Gust using cromoly is right choice since there is no down tube and seat stay.Alu can’t flex but when bend, it stays so misaligment will occur.
really appreciate your video! i've been looking at getting a foldie for my own personal use and your answers were exactly what i was looking for. very informative. thanks again for sharing!
There are a few Singapore companies either selling or building 20 inch tri-fold bikes now without going to titanium or carbon. Mobot/Camp Royale has a version & also Takachia. I know there are others also but these 2 brands appear to be well established. I tried contacting both companies for further information & Takachia responded within 12 hours & answered my questions. They have a 16 inch aluminum model with a claimed weight of 8.5 kg & a 20 inch Chromoly version with a claimed weight of 11.7 kg. A couple of surprises are both of these models weigh far less than a real Brompton & have better gearing & other components. With comparison to size, the 20 inch folded size is 6 cm taller & 5 cm longer than the 16 inch. Any chance you are within easy distance of AEZOOM Kallang Pudding Road & could do a review of this brand? Thank you.
I've lived in two American cities and each of them requires a bicycle to have at 20'' wheels if the user wants to load it on the front of a metrobus. So you might want to remember that if you are planning on a multimodal commute!
Woah didnt knew that! What if the wheel is smaller than 20"? 16" or 14" for example? as I guess the rules is to eliminate big wheel size to take up space in public transport
Great video. If you owned a Brompton T-Line, would your rather have 16" wheels or 20" wheels on it? Yes, Brompton only makes 16" wheels but if you could get 20" wheels instead, would you?
I heard 20" wheels can withstand heavier riders like those weighing 90kg and above as their spokes are studier. Is this true? Sorry I am new to foldies and i am quite heavy. Want my first purchase to be spot on.
Yeappp 20” can withstand heavier rider compare to 16”. Usually it’s Rated at 100-110kg for brand like tern or Dahon but depends on model as well. 16” usually at 80-90kg weight limit
Not always. I would always check with the manufacturer. There are other things in play like the folding design. A lot to 16” are 110-120kg. I’ve even seen a 20” at 90kg. My wife’s sava z3😂
Hi, enjoyed your reviews on bike's equipment and such. Currently my rear gear configuration is 13T,15T & 17T and my front Chain ring is 46T. If I wanna upgrade my chainring to more tooth, will it affect the ride quality or there is a ratio issue when changing gear. I'm kinda confused on some videos stating bigger chainring is better and other videos states small is the best setup. Like to know more on how to calculate the ratio given on my instances stated earlier. BTW I am using a trifold bicycle. Tks
I’d like to install 20 inch wheels with Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0 tyres.They would be beefier and give a more off-road look and feeling. So looking for triangle and fork for these tyres and wheels.
I think with today carbon fiber tech it should be good enough. Usually not the mainstream material for folding bike as carbon fiber are well known for stiffness which help in riding fast.
If you crash a CF bike it may be totaled if it cracks. Aluminum will bend. So depends how accident prone you are. Aluminum needs to be a traditional tube shape. CF can be molded into more aero design so if it’s top speed and lightness then go CF and pay the CF tax lol
If you have the budget for Brompton, by all means. Since the second hand value sustain very well and if you don’t like it can just sell off easily. But if budget is an issue pikes will be a good alternative to start with.
3sixty and pikes are pretty similar while gust are very different. I think for beginner I will recommend pikes as the riding posture are much more relax and almost maintainance free
There’s no way you can reach the stability of a full size bike due to the design of a Foldie. The only folding bike that comparable with full size bike stability will be Pacific Reach but it does come with a cost. Some rider use a T shape handlepost and add a specific stem to further the handlebar but that’s just slightly improvement but won’t be significant.
They do have their market but I will say /16 is the sweet spot for adult. 14” might be too small for regular adult and also it’s less common. A few limitation too which you won’t be able to have regular derailleur due to the ground clearance are much lesser. Usually it come with 3 speeds
I wouldn’t say those will be good to ride as usually they are using very outdated specs and clamp. It’s rideable but usually they suffer from flexing due to folding bike design and also creaking due to less surface on their clamp
You never mentioned about hill climbs using 16" and 20". Could you share your knowledge I understand the 20" wheel covers 25% extra distance per wheel rotation. I noticed on other youtube videos it is hard to climb hills using 16" tyre bikes ( such as m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZRJF62sD-u8.html and m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZV--CU6iZEY.html ). Yet I saw a Brompton rider as part of a road bike group on saturday morning riding along Upper Thompson Road where there are a few hills (but dont know whether he came down to push his bikes when he encountered the steepest hills but I saw a 20" biker and a road (29") biker (or maybe a mountain biker) pushing up a not so steep hill along the stretch of Upper Thompson Road). What are your experiences climbing hills using 16" bikes? Personally I did not have problems climbing hills using a heavy 20" foldable (>15kg) along the main roads surrounding the three central reservoirs (Mandai, Sembawang/Upper Thompson ( a few hills) , Thompson (a few hills) , Leonie, Adam, Dunearn, Bukit Timah, Upper Bukit Timah (Hume Area, Beauty World area)) , Woodlands). I avoided the stretch with more long hills along Mandai towards Sembawang Road and used old Mandai Road beside Seletar Reservoir .I do not have a 16" bike and is considering puting one in my car. Thanks.
Apologies as I’m not familiar with Singapore route. While I did climb quite abit here in Malaysia, with both 20” and 16”. If it’s for speed, then for sure 20” will be faster. But if you are not racing, 16” will be easier to get lower gear which can help you to maintain lighter gear to climb. Slower but you will be able to reach the peak without having bad fatigue
@@HengChooChian Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Just wondering whether you could share more? Wondering how heavy are your 16" and 20" bikes? How many teeth are there on your rear gear 1 for both bikes? How many teeth are there in front for both bikes ( I presume only got one ring )? Thanks.
hi I stay in upp Thomson area and happen to own brompton 16inch, and tern and dahon 20inch. i would say all include brompton 6 speeds can claim hills in this and most areas in sg quite easily. brompton and tern almost the same effort but dahon (higher end model) done it much better.
@@freemantan3554 And maybe the Brompton had a bag on the front, with a battery in it powering the front hub motor! Not always easy to pick up that a bike is powered if the frame looks that same as a non powered bike.