DIFFERENT BEAST | Epic: The Musical Animatic (Thunder Saga) Some flashes⚠️ 

It looks cooler anyways tbh🤷🏽‍♂️

IKR its very cool!!!

Yeah I honestly imagined once the siren get gotten close enough to Odysseus he would stab the siren (personally the hand to prevent them to run) once they reached up the ship for Odysseus

I believe the reason for the usual depiction is because you can actually hear him let loose an arrow in the song. The same sound is used in Polyphemus and Odysseus. In this animatic, it is cleverly absent because it starts a few seconds into the song.

@@Xeno1001 my bad, I only read the top comment

@@imadgenius you’re good 👍🏻

that’s why he’s pissed, and he equates this directly to that situation. He knows this is the same thing for them, that’s what makes him angry

That and one of them pretended to be Penelope. I like to image that at 1:39, Odysseus get visibly angry just for that. And in Suffering he is holding back his rage because how DARE this SIREN impersonate his wife!

oh no 100%, you can hear the bite in his voice in the song. He’s angry because they remind him of himself during the Poly fiasco. Causing damage and then begging for mercy, he understands where Poly was coming from and it pisses him off. Remember they killed Poly’s best friend and then tried to beg for mercy thinking “there’s no reason to kill us, it’s a sheep and we didn’t know he was here” or in other words “we didn’t know their defense was so strong” and here are the sirens coming to the same realization, “we didn’t know they were so strong” and they start begging for their life, like that erases what they’ve done and tried to do. He’s realizing not only was Athena right in that specific instance but what she said about all his men who died in that cave was right, it was his fault. Which is why he gets so brutal, he has to prove to himself and the crew they are no longer like that, they CANT be like that because they want to get home. They have to prove here that they are now the monsters, the ones who have no remorse or sympathy to those who attack them, just like Poly

Poseidon is going to use that against him I just know it.

NAH put this man on "You are NOT the father" WDYM she had a daughter while he was away????

@@peggo1217 Siren: "Look, I don't know much about human biology, but they, like, keep the babies inside them for most of a year, right? So 🎵Penelope🎵 could have been doing that when he left? You know, that's probably another place I screwed up;. I didn't give the kid a leitmotif name."

I mean he is right about one thing:if he spares them they will go after next group of sailors sp yes killing is fine... But cut their tails? And then throw them back to sea so they drown? Holy shit thats dark.... And dumb? Can they even drown?

@@makaramuss Maybe not drown, but they can't swim so eventually they'll just bleed to death

I have been reliably informed that 🎵ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.🎵

honestly ... i think whats worse is the very real threat that they are gonna get eaten, notice the lyric "the one(s) who feast now" and how they didnt throw their tails in the water ? i think Ody and his men ate some demi humans ...

This is worse than just being cold. And it's stupid, frankly. If Scylla doesn't attack other monsters, why not use the sirens as shields to try and make her more hesitant in her attack when she comes for them ?

truly but i think it was a combo of that and "no longer you" + seeing everyone whose died because of him

I'm imagining him watching this like: oh... well dayum. This is straight out of my playbook.

In the universe of the Musical, the Mutiny probably wouldn't have happened without Odysseus ordering Eurylochus to designate the six men to be sacrificed. If the Mutiny doesn't happen, Odysseus is still in command when the get to the Island of the Sun God, and might have been able to persuade them not to take the cattle. In the universe of the Odyssey of Homer, though... Odysseus was in command when they got there, it didn't stop them.

so true… Odysseus would try to feed the sirens to Scylla, and the crew would probably get entranced by the sirens before they get eaten & Scylla would get a more plentiful snack

@@tumblingartistalso she (scylla) doesn’t eat of her own kin or of the monsters so she wouldn’t even eat the sirens or oddeyseus

Not really. Even if they did, it wouldn’t have worked because apparently Scylla would never eat anything that isn’t human.

@@dolphin1418 really? pretty neat tie to the loophole

@@jacksmythe2187the sirens are scylla’s sisters both are born of porchys the primordial sea god and father of sea monsters. Offering the sirens would result in scylla destroying the ship then a feeding frenzy

Right?! Like 2:58 where the siren tries to scratch at Odysseus before he says “kill them all”

Youre so right

Scylla doesnt eat monsters only humans

@@Apolloslefttoenail yes, but you can trick her

@@Evorexwolf That's a good way to get your whole ship eaten.

@@20storiesunder why would the entire ship not be eaten anyway?

Now I undestand why his wife is waiting for him 😏😏

Ur so right ngl -

Gym bros xd.

I believe he's just implying that they're not getting eaten by monsters. So they just kinda flipped the script, quite literally.

My running theory is that Scylla is more dangerous than the legend lets on. If Poseidon's afraid to go to her lair, I'm thinking there's some sort of Lovecraftian mind-f$%^ thing tied to her name and presence, and it entices those that know of her to feed her 6 mouths, rather than go for more crafty methods of getting past her. In Odysseus' case, it made him more ruthless and less intelligent once he heard her name from the siren. All the way until he'd fed her his men to get through.

They Would need to use bee wax for the whole travel till Scylla, If the wax of one of them melt, they would fall in the sirens spell and help them get free

@@juliovpss3024 they got rope. they can easily gag em

In the original Odyssey, Scylla purposefully takes the six strongest men. She kinda has a whole vendetta against men given it was the lust of a male god that got her turned into a monster. I don’t see how she would’ve changed that personality trait for this version of the story since it’s pretty integral to her whole schtick

He wouldn't even be able to kill posiedon. A siren is a nymph Posiedon is a god

@@littleregg3164 that goes without saying/ I'm just saying that if it could happen Poisidonwould regret it...then again this is greek myth and the greek myths have their ways of gods actualy being killable. but Odysius never found that way in greek myth. though can you imagion if he had found something like the Krono stone? or Promethius stone or other means.

Why feel bad for Sirens exactly? Ohhh nooo he killed the man eating mind controlling sea monsters that have already killed a entire ship full of people. Truly so heartless because I am sure if the roles were reversed the Sirens would pour out their hearts with love and mercy and spare him. Nah they wont, they aint gonna learn anything either, they will just take this as a very bad hunt and a lesson to be learned for next time to more effectively kill their prey should they be spared.

@@juliusarcher7241 Hey I never said to fell sympathy for them. don't get it twisted I do feel a little bad but that's only my human responce. I do understand the needs of having to harden one's heaert when it comes to monsters, because Monsters lack humanity. That's why we call them monsters. I'm just sayingt if the one who taught Odysius to be ruthless and was stalking him wasn't Poisidon the god ofthe Sea but was just another killable monster then he'd wind up regretting teaching that lesson to Oddyseus who survived nearly being killed by him. and keep in mind Odyseus spared his son's life which was generaly gracius but Posoidon apprantly hates nicee guys. Truth be told it kind of was a good thing because other wise who else would have been abel to go out and kill more monsters on the sea? Odyseus might be a nice guy but he's also wicked smart and when he's able to harden his own ehart he can truely become a blood thirsty monster's worst enemy. However...we also know he sistll doesn't kill all the monsters. infact he kind of sacrifices some people along the way which is less heroic and mroe self serving. But hear killing the Sirans this was what they like to call a Necessary evil. Yes it feels evil to genecide them all but I never said I condem it. You feel shame for killing a man eating shark or bear because it's a wild animal just trying to survive, that doesn't mean you justify the deaths it caused simply because you feel sorry for it. If anything the Sirans could eeasily avoid all this had they stuck to eating fish or anything else that swims. No they deserve to die for killing people, that's a death they brought on their own heads. And yes as you said had they been spared they would have become affective killers. Like trapping an animal who's killed only to let it go would only allow it to adapt to being even harder to kill and catch in the future. But my main point is, if Posoidon caed for the Sirans or the other monsters of the Sea any it would have served him well to understand some symblance of grace and mercy. I'm mostly just giving a commentary. So try not to take my words otu of context even if alot but to little. Still I suppose our choice of words do seem to enfluence how others read us. So I do apreciat the comment.

​​​@@megareavermickeybot7985 Yeah. I do think it went too far. It should have been far quicker for the sirens, for all their guilts. Like how Diomedes did Dolon. Or Ned Stark with the deserter.

I mean all they had to do was not open the bag or just simply ignore the wind god and they’d probably be back home or killing the cyclops I think most would agree that blinding someone and making them sound crazy to their friends isn’t exactly “mercy”

​​​@@guycrew3973exactly. Even "Final Fantasy" characters, thanks to their warrior like honor, know better than to let an opponent live, or to battle amongst each other. Because they evolve along with the world, but then take control of it. "Final Fantasy 4" and its sequel approaches the matter well. Of what it means to be influenced by the world, and then take control of it. Wits are important, but there must be humility too. They're true soldiers and nobles, but in the good sense.

more likely its just their singing, invoking whatever image the sailor wanted the most onto themselves

@khoinguyen5004 Hmm...I guess that makes sense. Though, Odysseus and his crew all had beeswax in their ears, so wouldn't of dulled the effect of the Sirens song?

@@rjmanary4087 we are the ones hearing remember? Ody was playing along only

Gigachad 😂

Maybe it's the same reason they didn't keep and eat the siren tails instead of bugging Apollo...?

my personal theory is that by this point ody gave up on trying to outwit the mythos and their kin, the risk of his entire crew being killed if he failed was far greater than the sacrifice of six men

I think it's because Scylla doesn't attack fellow monsters? I could be totally wrong but i was under the impression that she doesn't attack other beasts due to the kinship between monsters

Probably something to do with her wanting a change of diet. Some land food to break up the pace.

@@JohnBluemonno Scylla just doesn’t eat other divine creatures or monsters. Scylla and Charybdis who share territory would just eat and kill mortals. So Scylla won’t eat sirens as a cyclops wouldn’t attack a siren. They were more as threats to humans than each other.

They has so much chances- eat them, so they don’t need to kill the cows, OR use them as the sacrifice to Scylla. So many missed chances. I think the Epic just is so we can see him suffer for our entertainment more 😢

@@jjrpoektl1925 The tails were needed to feed his starving crew that didnt even have water.

​@@jjrpoektl1925They wouldn't be able to sacrifice them to Scylla, as she doesn't eat monsters (this includes nymphs, dryads, and satyrs). Interestingly enough, it *does* imply that she eats gods.

I've read in comments of couple animatics of scylla that she doesn't kill other monsters cause they are somehow related to her so using sirens wouldn't have worked

@@annseotan8049 That's right. Jay has even said that Scylla wouldn't have eaten the sirens. Though I do think he could have been more merciful in their deaths.

It's a great call, but wouldn't have worked. Scylla only accepted those that belonged to the crew and won't go for sirens because she's kind of related to them.

I think that’s a common problem he’s to busy trying to solve the in the moment problem The sirens could have solved two problems sacrificing them to scyila and the meat could mabye have been used which would have prevented the magic cows they meet later

@@Nyanshait’s still worth a try because at least with the song thiers nothing that would have indicated as such not judging I love the series just something I wish they added

Chances are they had some simplified version of Sign Language/militarized version. For stealth when dealing with enemies.

@@dragonsoul123 that makes a lot of sense

Yeah but then couldn't the Sirens read a "Kill the Sirens" sign too? Unless Sirens can't read.

I mean earplugs don't neutralize all the sound. You still hear things, just muffled. That was prob all it took for the magic to not take effect.

therapy saga

More ppl need to comment on this oml-

Kratos is a god though, I think it would go more like the encounters odysseus has with other gods, they're not on the same playfield, get me? I think a conflict of interests would be more interesting because if it was a straight up battle, I feel bad for Odysseus already.

​​@@HReiss0true. That said, do you think young Kratos might have enough respect for Odysseus to try and spare him ? We saw he did try every once in a while spare his victims, particularly people he held some respect for.

@@JabamiLain I mean, it's possible. But from Kratos mindset I think he would consider Odysseus a threat, the guy is just way too smart and cunning to let him live, Kratos definetly embodies the "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves thing" There's also the thing that usually sparing would be considered an act of disrespect in Ancient Greece, dying in battle is pretty honorable in Ancient Greece.

​@@HReiss0I see. Odysseus and Kratos would make great gods of wisdom and war, respectively. I love the saga, don't have anything really bad about it (other than deny "Ragnarok" existance, that is), but I admit its full monopolization of Kratos could get irritating sometimes. Having learned more about the gods' personalities recently, I wished we could have gotten, for example, an arc involving Aphrodite. Again, this isn't meant to be hatred, just a personal complaint.

there is no chaos, Kratos wipes out the entire crew easily, all 600 of them. Only way they survive is if they meet old Kratos and he feels sorrow and lets them go

Huh thats.....a interesting take, but I think he would be making the same mistake he made with the cyclops, and i believe that the sirens, even with some of their body parts removed, would still find other ways to prey on men on ships. But the concept of turning a feared predator into a ''lesser'' predator by taking the one thing that they have vantage over their preys is intriguing. 🤔🤔

@@maisathedragonartist3364 I kind of get how it could be taken as what he could have done with the sirens would be what he did with the Cyclops, but all in all not really, still had such overwhelming strength that while it was at a disadvantage it could still easily kill anything it wanted, while the sirens, if they were, say, rendered mute, would have been excessively reduced in methods of persuasion, certainly they could attract prey by their visage, what was being hot fish women, but due to their voices having a magical nature, their magical abilities being rendered null would drastically limit their abilities, sure they could physically overpower a sailor once the sailor is in the water, but their method of hunting is mostly reliant on them one way or another convincing or coercing the sailors into the water, what's the easiest method being them getting the entire crew to beach the ship on the rocks, which would make the ship sink. It may seem from a simplified perspective, that doing something like removing their tongues would be the same as removing the cyclops's eye, but comparing their methods of attack, they are drastically different in how they would be affected by the loss of whatever organ was removed from them.

To me, killing the siren is the correct choice. It is the ruthlessness mentioned by poseidon and a way to get rid of a potential threat like athena would do. The problem here is the method Odysseus chose to kill them, instead of killing them swiftly, putting them out of mercy opted for the most brutal and painful death. Leaving them alive after removing a part of their bodies would result in the same outcome of Polyphemus asking for revenge to his father or them suffering for no reason until they starve to death

@@linus8380 I feel like this slightly misses the point that the "Worst possible punishment" was indeed drowning a fish. The second worst, obviously, would be to let them die slowly of starvation because they can't sing anymore but Sirens still eat fish and can trick humans without singing even if it takes more effort they naturally look more humanoid than most beasts. Letting them live was all around a bad idea, especially given them being sea creatures who could very well report his actions to Poseidon the second he left who would most CERTAINLY have killed them all. Do you really think them struggling and losing half their food resources for a bit till they can learn to cope with their new weaknesses and become a threat again is a valid answer? No, you cut the fish's tail, drop it back in the water, and when it sinks to the sea floor and its gills fill with sand while it writhes, it'll realize you're the monster. Not them.

@@leafydoesedits3266 I think you're underestimating how devastating losing their voices would be, that is by far the primary method of hunting for them, due to the magical nature of their voices. If you get rid of that, it is so much more complicated for them to ever hunt, namely due to how they need to be in line of sight, and without any magical allure, any sailor with half a brain will know what they are and kill them. Also, Poseidon was already still on their tail and they just found out information about how to get out of his gaze for a short bit, there's nothing they could have done to worsen their situation at that moment. And as for them drowning, it was a needlessly cruel method. Whilst still being astoundingly inefficient, considering how lopping off their tails would have left less of an effective message then removing their tongues, or what have you. Removing their tails makes it so that they will just drown, but if you remove their tongues they will slowly be hunted by the very prey they hunted

maybe scylla and the sirens have kinship? idk, but it's a good thought!!

I read somewhere that Scylla is smart enough to actually tell who is evil or innocent, and she only eats the innocent ones. She sees the evil ones as ‘apart of the family’ or something. That could also be the reason why at the end of Scylla (the song) she says ‘We are the same you and I..’ to Odysseus because he’s a monster just like her, and welcoming him as a ‘new member of the family’ or something like that.

She has a thing about not eating other monsters and in the end of the Scylla song she sings "we are the same you and I" as ody sings with her basically confirming that he is a monster at least in her eyes

Monsters don't attack each other

Scylla doesnt hunt other mythical creatures/monsters. Heck she has a defacto partnership with charybdis. Also sirens are related to nymphs and scylla used to be a nymph. Or it could be that scylla just isnt into seafood when manmeat is an option? XD

Yes and cod

If they had the tails, I'm not sure why they would need to kill the cows later on.

@@SuperHurricane I don't think it would last them long, they are like 40 men

There are a lot of time skips between songs, for all we know there could be a month between sirens and cows

I don’t blame calypso for wanting to take a bite of that glorious jawline.

Ruthlessness is mercy upon themselves, right?

​@@sensha5470not always. Sometimes, too much ruthlessness makes you short sighted, uncapable of building bridges you could need later. That's why you must always seek to balance it with some mercy. I spent my teen years, after playing "The Guardians of the Galaxy: The Telltale series", developing a system with a specific set of rules to make ruthlessness practiçable without letting it become my first and only choice every time. Video games are a great controlled environment for such experiments.

​@@sensha5470and again, what if they could use sirens as some sort of distraction or shield ? That should have been plan A. Plan B would be the sacrifices.

@@JabamiLain lol, love the nerding out but friend, I was just making a cute little joke XD Also siren shield idea: Scylla doesn't eat monsters and they were weeks away anyway.

​@@sensha5470hence the shield idea. Maybe Scylla's attacks would be more restrained if they had the sirens as living shields, since she refuses to attack other monsters. Also, sorry for the nerding. It happens sometimes when a topic captures a burning interest out of me.

😂 you guys are actually getting this early I was going to release it next week because I need more time to work on Scylla.

@@brittpowwpixel Going full speed ahead through the entire saga huh? Can't wait for the rest then!

I sure am. Full Speed Ahead indeed!!