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In this video, I answer a few questions that I have gotten in regards to boom lengths, 360 charts, and the BOLD line on a crane load chart. I may turn this into a classroom type series if people are interested in it.
Different boom lengths
360 vs over the rear load charts
BOLD line on a load chart

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@Neftyr
@Neftyr Год назад
I have been looking for the boom extention options explanation everywhere with no luck. I really appreciate your explanation. Great work
@ronniebenoit7699
@ronniebenoit7699 4 года назад
HEy Jimmy, I'm an ex-union IRONWORKER and been in the oilfield, played with crane's for the last 20 years. Making my move to operating myself. Thank you for putting things in English where us knuckleheads can relate. Lol
@kylem234
@kylem234 Год назад
Just getting into operating crane myself been oiling for 3 years this is my first year in my own seat,appreciate the videos I’ve learned a lot!
@FeistyGES
@FeistyGES 3 месяца назад
I have been asking about this. Nobody could explain it. Thank you for elucidating it.
@dzlf2504
@dzlf2504 4 года назад
My dad has old videos of my grandfather running his cranes back in the 50s to the 80s. Old pH Pettibone's. There's some shots of him where you could walk under the front of the crane and change the oil he was tipped so much. Lol. But all seriousness. He had the front 3-4 ft in the air. He just knew his cranes. I loved watching them when I was younger. It was movie night and my dad had to set up the projector. I have to get them on DVD or digital some how. I'd live to share them. And really nice video👍
@lucaskalkman8209
@lucaskalkman8209 5 лет назад
Hi Jimmy. I am getting ready for my NCCCO exams and your channel is a tremendous help in understanding all the details. I am operating heavy knuckle booms and now getting ready to step up to all terrain crane. Thank you for all the effort you put into your channel and explaining it all in detail.
@richardsavaglio661
@richardsavaglio661 5 лет назад
Great video!!! Structural vs tipping!!!!! Like you said, the old rigs damn near never broke!!! Case in point, pulling sheeting with a lattice boom and a vibro. We would pull up on the sheeting until there was 2 feet of air gap UNDER the sprocket on the end of the track and then turn the vibro on which would pull the sheeting up a few feet until the tracks were back on the ground. We would keep doing that until the sheeting would finally come up with the cable,,,,,,
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Richard Savaglio, I've seen similar things done with the old rigs. Hard to pull that off with a new one. Hope all is well! Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@carlwilliams8354
@carlwilliams8354 5 лет назад
Good info. I see a lot of new operators that don’t really understand the black lines on the load charts. Structural vs stability is an important difference! We have had older operators that ran old P&H neck breakers and lattice boom cranes that had a hard time with LMI’s on new hydraulic cranes stop them from lifting what they thought they could pick.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Carl Williams, if a person doesn't know what the bold lines mean, they probably shouldn't be in the seat. I could definitely see old timers trying to push past the LMI. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@TimCBuilders
@TimCBuilders 4 года назад
you are not confusing anyone (i hope) Great information on the larger sections just adding more weight to the chart. Thanks
@scottholm7865
@scottholm7865 2 года назад
structural cap, boom angle, and tipping cap . This is also why sometimes a longer boom length gives you a greater cap at a given radius.
@mikemanfred7106
@mikemanfred7106 5 лет назад
very good info on load charts. Glad you took time to explain it. See you on the next one.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
mike manfred, thank you! I may go more in depth on load charts in the future. We'll see. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@plazatowing
@plazatowing 5 лет назад
Very nice explanation. Love learning new things
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Plaza Towing, thank you! Hope you are having a great birthday and recovering well from surgery. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@kevinmatthiesen8961
@kevinmatthiesen8961 5 лет назад
Thank you for the explanation, the die cast model was a great idea. You should keep on making these types of videos from time to time or as a regular thing. I enjoyed the explanation on the how and why things are done. But don't stop the job site videos.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
KEVIN MATTHIESSEN, thank you! I'll throw a few of these in here and there. If nothing else, to break things up a little. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@lakesideranch
@lakesideranch 5 лет назад
Hey Jimmy! Great presentation, you're a wealth of knowledge and explain yourself very well. I find these episodes quite informative and interesting the way you present them. The diecast crane is a great visual aide too. The whiteboard is a fixture (now) that you use it more. Your examples of the straight picks over the rear of the crane make complete sense. I love your passion for safety, your crew, yourself, and your machine. Question for ya: How many hours / years did you train to become qualified to operate since a complex machine? Your stories and experience related comments are very well stated and a joy to hear you talk about. 2 thumbs up from here. Work safe, stay warm. Doug@ the "ranch"
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Doug, as always thanks for your kind words! At times, the diecast does more than just sit and collect dust. lol I had probably 6 or so years of experience operating other cranes before getting into the Tadano. As far as hours...I have no idea. LOTS. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@snakerancher
@snakerancher 5 лет назад
Great video Jimmy! I really liked the beginning explaining how you can get the same length with different section configurations. I never thought to take the weight of the boom into consideration. Don't worry about dumbing it down enough, you did great for us non crane guys. We both have the same handwriting, that's how I was able to read what you wrote. Keep up the great work!! Have a great week!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
snakerancher, thank you! I know there are lots of people (some operators) that don't understand how the different boom configurations affect capacity. Hopefully this video helps. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@markmortensen4341
@markmortensen4341 5 лет назад
Very well done Jimmy. I don't think anyone can explain it much better. Are you ever right about the old machines being built stout. They were heavy and one of the reasons those cranes weren't as mobile as cranes today. Thanks for the great explanation.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Mark Mortensen, thank you! It amazes me just how much we get done these days with lighter machines. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@dmacdonell
@dmacdonell 5 лет назад
Great video as always Jimmy. Your explanations are excellent.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
dmacdonell, thank you! As always, many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@VideosByAl
@VideosByAl 5 лет назад
Excellent information. We deal with several crane companies and I like to know stuff that they know.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
VideosByAl, thank you! If you ever want to pick my brain (what little is there) feel free to do so. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@davidmcolton
@davidmcolton 5 лет назад
Next video you may want to discuss various counterweight configurations and how they correlate with different boom modes. Thanks for the videos.
@mitchs2148
@mitchs2148 5 лет назад
This is great man, I've definitely learned somethings tonight.
@rogueexcavating3839
@rogueexcavating3839 5 лет назад
Honestly I think this was your best video to date!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Rogue Excavating, thank you! Even better than some of the really tall picks or heavy things? Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@rogueexcavating3839
@rogueexcavating3839 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane To be honest I have worked a long time in construction seen alot of tall and heavy lifts. I really want to know the technical side of operating a crane. So personally I like these how to/class time vids better. but my brother also calls me professor googles to fing much.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
@@rogueexcavating3839, LOL! You now have a new RU-vid nickname. "Professor Googles" lol
@rogueexcavating3839
@rogueexcavating3839 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane People call me alot of things LOL
@kengamble8595
@kengamble8595 5 лет назад
Very nice explanation Jimmy ! 😊 Without me asking you answered some questions I had ! Knowledge is a great thing and then throw in some common sense and you got a chance ! 😊 I believe these sessions are great and gives us a better idea of what your job entails overall ! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Ken Gamble, glad I could answer some of your questions. Seems like a video is sometimes the only way to answer some of the questions that I get. I know some people that have knowledge, but no common sense. Lol. As always, many thanks for watching! Hope you take care as well! 🙂👍
@kengamble8595
@kengamble8595 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane Yeah, about twenty five years ago I worked for one of those guys that you speak of, tons and tons of book knowledge and not a speck of common sense ! Thanks again! 😊
@Brandon-yp2wy
@Brandon-yp2wy 5 лет назад
Great video Jimmy! Lots of great information! I really like these kinds of videos
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Brandon, thank you! This is the one I was editing earlier today. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@arundamian9154
@arundamian9154 4 года назад
Excellent informative, high thanks Boss👍👍.. learnt something that need to be as a rigger too👍👍
@big_country8734
@big_country8734 4 года назад
Keep them coming the videos are super helpful, learning evertime I watch a video, still learn test in 3 more days
@Killabeez215
@Killabeez215 Год назад
Big help!! Thank you
@wati52
@wati52 5 лет назад
Hi Jimmy, great how you explain these examples of boom length and load charts and all the other things you do. Many thanks.
@chase8148
@chase8148 5 лет назад
Simplest terms that I can come up with is that the weight of your boom has to be figured into the weight of the pick, due to a crane operating like a very big teeter-toter if you add more weight to the boom end than you have on the counterweight end. (Via having heavier sections of boom further from the fulcrum.) You end up having a bad day. Or if you still have enough counterweight to keep the counterweight side down you could just break the teeter-toter in half.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
chase8148, that is a pretty good analogy. We try to avoid "bad days" at all costs. LOL. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@alexsawicki8717
@alexsawicki8717 5 лет назад
Great videos very informative
@shadowlab9543
@shadowlab9543 3 года назад
we run a 1993 tadano tr-280xl, and i really do feel everything in the seat.
@scruffy6151
@scruffy6151 5 лет назад
I understood everything you talked about very good information and explanation. Thank you.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Scruffy 61, thank you! As always, many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@johnwarren-649
@johnwarren-649 5 лет назад
I'm not a smart man but everything you said make all good sense
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
John Warren, you are much smarter than you give yourself credit for. We are our own worst critics. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@Quadflash
@Quadflash 5 лет назад
Clear and simple explanation, Jimmy. Your points about the weight of each boom section and pick capacity was just excellent. Lots of folks don't consider the total weight involved in a pick includes boom sections. Some load charts don't tell you anything about boom weight at different configurations. But, the operator better understand how each boom configuration changes crane capacity. In another video, you might mention that load chart numbers include 15-20% safety factor. That does not mean that it's safe to lift over the chart!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
David Sonnen, thank you! The load charts for the Tadano don't show the actual weights of the boom sections. But, there is a definite difference in capacities when different configurations are used. I am one of those people who believes that a person should know as much as possible about the machine they are sitting in. Knowledge is what makes the difference between making good and bad decisions. I haven't touched on the 15-20% safety factors because I don't necessarily want new operators to feel like they should push the machine. I suppose I should mention it at some point. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@Quadflash
@Quadflash 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane Agreed, Jimmy. New operators who don't have proper training often try to short cut the charts. Bad idea. I've had a couple wrecker operators tell me that since Crosby snatch blocks have a 5:1 safety factor, they can handle at least 4 times rated capacity... That's the kind of thinking that makes wrecker insurance expensive.
@MangalSingh-we5kb
@MangalSingh-we5kb Год назад
Great knowledge you have done dear sir thanks alot
@waltermattson5566
@waltermattson5566 5 лет назад
Very well explained and someone had good questions.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
walter mattson, thank you! As always, thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@andyb9767
@andyb9767 5 лет назад
Good video Jimmy well done!!!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Andy B, many thanks! As always, thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@robertbradford2734
@robertbradford2734 5 лет назад
That's some good stuff man I never seen one folded up like a taco... LOL but I seen them turn over👍
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Robert Bradford, many thanks! I've seen a broken boom. It isn't pretty. I'm glad I wasn't the one in the seat. To say that it would be scary, would be an understatement. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@mrbenttley
@mrbenttley Год назад
Dope video
@barrysimmons4724
@barrysimmons4724 5 лет назад
I hadn't seen this video before I asked you my question about sequential boom configurations on your Tadano. (; 🇺🇸
@WR4SSE
@WR4SSE 4 года назад
You the man
@motercycles6
@motercycles6 5 лет назад
really good explanation jimmy always love learning new stuff especially about cranes i have always has a fascination with cranes
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
James Bergeron, thank you! Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@motercycles6
@motercycles6 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane your welcome jimmy i will watch any time i might have a new video tomorrow if i think to get a camera out im getting a new tool box tomorrow
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
@@motercycles6, you should make a video of your new toolbox! 👍
@motercycles6
@motercycles6 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane so just a quick update no new tool box today went to the store where i was going to get it from and there was none in stock hopefully next monday when they get there truck they will have one if they dont then were going to order one and have it shipped to our house
@j.chrisbeck7492
@j.chrisbeck7492 5 лет назад
Thumbs Up if you enjoyed the show, please. I always find your crane vids to be informative to me, even though I have never set foot in one.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
J. Chris Beck, thank you! If you ever make it over this way, I can make sure you set foot in one. That is....if you want to. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@j.chrisbeck7492
@j.chrisbeck7492 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane lets see if I make it to Buckinstock, maybe I can swing by on that trip out or on way back
@darrellcruickshank747
@darrellcruickshank747 8 месяцев назад
Hey Jimmy!, Can you explain what's the difference between mode A and Mode B on a rough terrain crane load chart. How and why should you select which load chart to used
@psidvicious
@psidvicious 5 лет назад
Understood 🤜🤛
@mtbmaniac25
@mtbmaniac25 5 лет назад
Hello Jimmy, Recent subscriber here, been fascinated by cranes for as long as I can remember. I really enjoy your videos, especially these ones where you talk about technicalities of cranes. A question if I may - what's your take on textile crane ropes? Like Samson's K-100?
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Tautvydas Kuodys, welcome to the channel! Thanks for the kind words! As far as textile ropes....I don't have a lot of experience with them other than some digger derrick trucks. I would say the technology is intriguing. My biggest concern or question on it is, 'how well does it spool on the drum'? I wonder if it lays like steel, or does it get pulled down into the wraps below it? Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it to give an opinion either way. But, I am intrigued by the technology. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@brucelee64485
@brucelee64485 5 лет назад
Can you make a "picture gram" of how the crane extension system works sometime? I had it imagined while watching your other videos that there is one cylinder that locks and unlocks each section, pushes it out, then locks it back into place once it extends. Then it goes back down for another section. The only section that can be half in and out is the one that the cylinder is locked onto. What keeps the boom from just retracting like a tv antenna when you have more than one section half out? Also, thanks for the load chart explanation. The older cranes that I have been around were always overbuilt as all get out, with no electronics. I had an old hand crane operator tell me the same thing when I asked how does he know what the load on the boom was. He said "you can feel it in your butt." I remember thinking that with that method, you might be a little late. When the Liebherr crane that the wind farm east of town was using to erect the upper tower sections broke its boom a couple of years ago everyone marveled about how thin the steel was inside the boom for the weights it was carrying. It's amazing how the engineers have figured out the minimum that we need to lift the same capacity. It's also amazing how a little more wind in the case of that incident can ruin your day in a hurry.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
matt lee, there are some animated videos on RU-vid that show how it all works pretty well. I also have an older video that explains how the pinning boom operates. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UhM6SdmvWMs.html I have some pics of that crane boom that broke on the wind farm. That was a bad day for them for sure. I am just glad that no one was hurt or killed when that happened. Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@brucelee64485
@brucelee64485 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check them out. I saw the aftermath of the second crane accident at the wind farm and what a mess! There was fiberglass everywhere! Like you said, everyone was so lucky to not have been injured as there was at least two in the tower at the time at the accident and the rotor section that they were lifting just barely missed everyone. If I recall correctly they had to replace the door at the base of the tower cause it got hit. They were that close! Unfortunately the whole "hurry up and get er done" was going on and because the operator is the responsible party, it went on his shoulders and not the contractors shoulders when the blame gets passed around. Thanks for showing the new operators the correct way to run a crane and telling them that legally they have the stop work authority and needs to be willing to use it.
@krd
@krd 5 лет назад
Hello Jimmy. I'm looking over some crane charts in the UK and we don't seem to have yon black line on our lifting charts. Is that something limited to the larger 100t+ cranes or might it just be a difference of specification?
@pyrobeav2005
@pyrobeav2005 2 года назад
A bit late to the game here, but do you prefer to control the radius with the angle of the boom or the extension of the boom? My intuition says angle because it keeps the most weight closest to the base. Also, can you pick a load with the extension cylinder connected or does the boom have to be pinned? Thanks!
@justinlongoria9306
@justinlongoria9306 5 лет назад
NOT A CRANE OPERATOR, actually I run a 100' Ladder/Fire truck. Not the same but similar in many ways. I watch your videos because you never know what you dont know, till you know it. I wish they would make Ladder rig drivers take a basic crane class. You tube and depending on a computer aided saftey system is the best most get.
@MrDaniel3105
@MrDaniel3105 5 лет назад
Nice education
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Daniel Eyster, thank you! Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@reshambajwa3936
@reshambajwa3936 4 года назад
Good
@barrysimmons5489
@barrysimmons5489 5 лет назад
Ya done good... does your computer automatically chart whatever configuration you establish? Or are there specific charts for specific configurations? Including outriggers? Thank You.. and your jib is stored or stowed? ☺🇺🇸
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Barry Simmons, the computer will adjust capacity on the fly, based on what configuration that I put the crane in. It also knows the outrigger lengths. There are specific charts for all of the different combinations of boom lengths, counterweight configurations, and outrigger lengths. As far as the jib is concerned, in this video, using the diecast as a reference, the jib was stored. "Stowed" is on the side of the boom in the transport position. "Stored" is completely off of the machine. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@barrysimmons5489
@barrysimmons5489 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCranestowed vs stored was the trick question on the test. Thanks for your quick response... Have a great day.
@waynetharp
@waynetharp 5 лет назад
Yep...Lots of good info! Thanks... Do you have any idea what each of the 5 sections of boom weighs? Be safe and have a great week!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Wayne Tharp, when we pulled the boom apart on our 100t crane, the five sections together weighed around 22,000 lbs. I was told that the entire boom assembly on the 200t was around 50,000 lbs. But, that's not confirmed. Many thanks for watching! Hope you have a great week as well. 🙂👍
@dougankrum3328
@dougankrum3328 5 лет назад
50K for the 200 ton boom....sounds about right, after watching the video with the dolly back there...
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
@@dougankrum3328, I've got someone from Tadano checking on the actual weight for me. As soon as I hear back from them, I'll update this comment. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
40,000lbs for the 5 sections.
@waynetharp
@waynetharp 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane Thanks...Can they tell us what each section weights? I would think lift capacity would maybe make more sense if we had an idea of how much weight is pushed with each section. Basically...Can you disassemble it 1st thing in the morning and get me some figures! lol 😂🤣 Be safe, Jimmy!
@scottholm7865
@scottholm7865 3 года назад
structural capacity vs stability ?
@wbball15
@wbball15 5 лет назад
Smash that Thumbs Up button folks
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
wbball15, thank you! Many thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@thomasnelson2463
@thomasnelson2463 5 лет назад
My son is a mechanical engineer, your handwriting looks typewritten compared to his!
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Thomas Nelson, LOL! His must be really bad. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@rubenperez1636
@rubenperez1636 5 лет назад
How do I tell th computer to sting my boom different ways I don't understand tell me like I'm a ten year old
@RHales-vu2ie
@RHales-vu2ie 5 лет назад
Do more rigging.
@ToTheTopCrane
@ToTheTopCrane 5 лет назад
Reuben Hales, I'll get some more rigging footage for you. Right now, I am working through some older footage and some classroom type footage. But, I will get some rigging stuff for you when I get the next opportunity. Thanks for watching! 🙂👍
@RHales-vu2ie
@RHales-vu2ie 5 лет назад
@@ToTheTopCrane Ok thanks!!! Love all the info, great job on the videos.
@davidrigoni8231
@davidrigoni8231 5 лет назад
Fold up like a Taco :-) lmao
@thorshammer6857
@thorshammer6857 5 лет назад
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@miguelducasse
@miguelducasse 2 года назад
ive noticed that the people who i have met that have damaged cranes a and involved in flips have one thing in common? it wasnt thier fault it was the crane lol true story met a dude that was in 2 flips 1 structual break and to this day he is completely in denial that is waa his bad judgment smh (old timer) meanwhile this is the same peron that goes crazy when the slings arent spaced out correctly during a pick lol
@MrJeffharper47
@MrJeffharper47 2 года назад
When did Seth Rogan start running a crane?