hey! got a few questions about how it would work if you put the stands in a three tier setup with the elektron devices and cables. I should have shown this more clearly. I have now uploaded an addendum on Instagram which hopefully clears up any confusion. I always appreciate honest and constructive criticism, thank you! Watch here: instagram.com/p/CPSdUlPBK5_/? (let me know if it doesn't work as I am not used to sharing IG links on YT) Here’s the written answer to the 3-tier question. Firstly: low profile or angled cables would be best. Secondly: If you dont put the second tier in its most angled position you can actually tuck the cables in between the legs of the third stand. This is also why I said that I don’t think this is the best solution for a three tier system. I think this is an ideal stand for having one row behind a synth for example as shown in the video. It makes the digis very accessible behind a synth. And if you need to you could add a second even higher tier (like I show) but would then have to make sure you have small cables or angle the stand back more. I should have been more clear. When making videos its easy to think something is obvious and that no one will care about a certain detail. Its this constant struggle between making videos snappy and containing just the right amount of info. Writing all this I realise that this is what I should have put in the video to begin with. So thanks for reminding me.
something i think is cool is that a lot of elektron boxes are built with mounting points for a standard vesa arm, so anything with a normal vesa mounting point will line up with the screw holes on the bottom
Table top stands are the best yet hardest to find at this scale. I save so much space building up since I don't always have the option to install on walls with apt rentals. It's a solution that also makes my work station feel more organized and professional.Thank you for reviewing this item with us.
It's easy to find flat free-standing tabletop shelves like monitor stands... but surprisingly difficult to find angled free-standing risers which are big enough for synths. Notebook risers are usually the closest I can find, and they're almost all too small and not adjustable. So I ended up making mine out of old "Construx" toys I had in storage.
I ordered the cheap IKEA yesterday. Just watched this video and listened to what you said at the end...and I just ordered this setup for my new Digitakt. Thanks!
Also, a different kind of observation that I think is important to share: There is something to be said about the therapeutic value in being able to invest into your music on your own terms... you are worth it to spend to build up, esp if you are the first generation in your family making music or art !
Be sure to let Sven know what kind of stands you want. I will make sure he reads the comments. Also a reminder that I will be taking a break in July-August and when I am gone there will be Summer of Synths. See RU-vid community post for a sneak peek of videos coming.
I bought these thingies for my digitone, Bassstation, k-mix and zoia group from your last video where you showed them. I have to admit that I have to much gear, but now where everything is elevated, I don’t have to dismount things because of space issues. Having 3-4 pieces of gear well organized at one spot is so convenient! Thanks Bo for sharing this neat invention! 🤓🤓 Looking forward to your knowledge nuggets, when you are coming back 💪
I agree completely the custom metal made is so much better and I absolutely love what you have showcased here! I’ve been using metal music reading stands but my setup is all stands, not tables. I came up with what I did to easily break it down and transport it. Unfortunately I had a stroke and can’t play any of it until I recover, but once I do, I will be getting this system, and yes, it would be worth it to me for my Waldorfs as well, to me. Ty Bo hope you’re feeling better!
Hi Bo, Yes this stand system is worth the money for an Elektron product because if you already have an Elektron product you thought that was worth the money! Would we repair our Mercedes broken car antenna with a bent coat-hanger wire? No, we would use the right part for the job!
Great point on supporting the independent creator. This was exactly what I was looking for with my current setup! Ordered a set for my Digitakt and a stand that will help it mix with one of my Roland boutiques. But the reason I'm mainly interested is that I was looking for a solution to combine it with a bigger synth as you explained in the beginning of the video. The way I can set this up was exactly how I imagined it to be. Thanks a lot for sharing and it's super kind of you to use your platform to support an independent creator like this.
Thank you for supporting the community and such a high quality product .You saying "Streichfett" puts a smile on my face 😄👍 , don't say this way in your bedroom 🤭
Thanks for showing this. Digitakt owners are always looking for "the stand". Most of us have weird wooden builds and ipad stands repurposed and it's just not very solid. I ordered this set up and was surprised how cheap it was for a solid metal stand with mounting kits. (This means I'll likely order more if I like it enough!)
I think I have a cool idea for Sven: for musicians who have a minimal setup with for example two electron devices and 2 or 3 19" racks for effects and processors. The possibility to have an enlarged VD 105 module in which the racks could go and the Digitakt/tone above. This would create an ultra compact setup but with full accessibility to all the devices.
I would put a couple small bricks under the elevation risers to weigh it down so it never tips forward. I actually use bricks and wood slabs to build shelves in my home studio. It works really well for me for elevating things, but I like these stands. I my self will probably purchase two VD 100s & two VD 160 plates for my Digitakt I own, and the Digitone I have to purchase. I don’t need the VD 105 Elevator’s in my current set up, but knowing I can add them on later is cool. I just want my two Digi units on a solid angle to help the view of the screen and my neck. I can foresee a custom pelican style hard case for transporting them both with the stands attached since they fold down. That’s only if I ever gig with them. First thing is first though… order the Digitone tomorrow.
That one is specifically made for GoXLR and i would not rely on it being nearly as good as Varidock. Its not modular and not built for playing. Its meant to house an ”audio interface”. And its around the same price as the Varidock stand too.
super cool. i have my elektron's all on a templeboard, which, the upside is being prewired but the downside is everything is horizontal. adding these would allow me to lower them for transport in the flight case and then raise for performance. definitely want a pair of these!
These look really nice for a portable setup. I made something very similar out of wood and twin slot metal shelving parts for the studio install, but didn't go as far as adjustable angles. Just seen that they cover Behringer stuff too, so that should keep them busy.
Ha! Great video man! Good point about quality. Not everyone wants to spend $100 on a quality stand, but hey, not everyone wants to spent $750 on a drum machine either. But with the amount of money you invest into Elektron products and the time you invest into working with them, it makes sense to get the ergonomics correct for the things you use. Nice work, Bo! 👍
Yeah totally! I see both sides to it. For some its way too much, and for others its reasonable given the amount already spent and for the quality you get
Nice option. I use the 19" rack adapter that fits 2 of digitakt/digitone/heat side by in a rack, no chance of that toppling. That Streichfett stand is actually quite interesting, I never thought of using those 4 big holes and some rubber grommet things on the back for mounting them before..
For 2 synthezisers like Digitakt / Digitone and/or Analog Heat you can use the Roadworx Synthesizer Stand pretty well vor 29 Euros. If you buy 2 of them and a connection kit you can stack them. That seems a better solution for me. Varistand it's a little pricy for what it can do.
I really like this... quite tempted... what Id like to see is a perhaps a bit more 'modularity'. e.g. Id like to have my octatrack, a 60hp eurorack, a pyramid all sitting behind my synth. currently this means buying 3 bases, 3 elevators 3 trays ... pretty much 90euros each (30+30+30) what id like is some kind of bigger base/elevator , perhaps extendable? that could take multiple trays. I think many of us would be happy to sacrifice the independence each units, since we'd likely want multiple units at same height/tilt angle (perhaps in the meantime, some kind of multiple buy discount?) the other thing id like, is would be something (bigger trays?) for a 6U eurorack, say 84hp ... or even 9U. anyway, great design... thanks for hightlight Bo.
This question comes up more often. However, unlike other stands, we generally want to avoid locking devices together. For this there are already plenty of 2-tier, 3-tier etc... Only if the devices remain flexible in themselves, you get the desired individual ergonomics. But I will certainly dive into this topic again and see if there might be another clever solution to this. In any case, thanks for the feedback!
@@svenbauer6970 I don't think there are many options for bigger instruments on the **desktop** - there are quite alot for smaller units (like digitakt) sure, separate units helps with ergonomics, as different instruments might need setting back further or different height to get facias aligned. (though, id still want to lock them together, to gain some extra rigidity/stabiity) - but for sure, its a compromise for price.
Great overview and these indeed look like very useful stands. The IKEA comparison indeed seems more like a troll comment because the IKEA ones aren't elevated.
That's a great solution. I need to get something like this. Btw I might have missed this but where did you get that yellow Digitakt!? Is it one of those overlay cards?
I really don't want to sound negative, as you do your best, and it is a good product. But please watch the video again and think of cabling while seeing it. Then the solution around 3:44 wont work. But please keep up your good work, I like watching it ;-)
See the sticked comment and video I linked. I wanted to do good by all of you asking about the three tier solution. I should absolutely have shown it with cables, as it does work, but ofc depends on what cables and how you tuck them in. Thanks for the feedback.
@@BoBeats Good video (instagram), you should add it to this one or replace the scene with a brand new one. Btw. its nice that the stands are hollow so there are space for the cables in between the legs.
Unfortunately youtube does not allow that sort of editing of published videos. Its a big problem when you want to make small changes as reuploading is generally not a good option for a number of reasons.
I think €99 for a complete setup is not too bad. What do you expect for custom made, sturdy stands. It is not like Sven will sell hundreds of thousands of those things. It is a niche, small-batch series. Part of the margin will surely go towards spread in in SKUs (some stands sell better than others, etc).
Been looking for a desktop stand that would work with both the digitone keys and digitakt, and possibly other elektron gear, at an elevated angled position above the keys. No dice,. But one of these would be cool just for the digitakt, allowing me to do what a want. Still need to find something for the keys eventually
That three tier setup will not work if you put cables in the electron boxes. Maybe with some angled cables there would be a way The stands are cool though.
I would love to have a good stand for my op-1 that you can mount an op-z stand to it, there are some stuff out there, but they are all 3D printed products...or even something to mount the op-1 on top of other synths would be very great
@@ltnjones1714 damn! I have no idea how this would work behind it because i dont know the ones size. But the angle is what you are after I think and then you could always prop up the stand if the One is too ”tall”
I don't get why some people buy pricey synths, but don't wanna pay for a good stand or covers that could avoid worns, piece breakages or accidents? I'm fan of decksavers even if they are pricey, they prolly saved me alot by taking dust for my synths at home. Don't be cheap, take care of your synths.
the stands are pretty cool but i really wish he put normal vesa mounting holes on the base unit. this way you pay 30e for a reasonable stand maybe even cheap but then you have to buy his custom trays. If theres just vesa mounting holes on the base thing, you can do whatever with it really. the custom try is nice but it also ties each tray to one module and i think just a big open tray is fine enough.
I don't know if I'll use them, but they do seem quite amazing, and once I have a more stable studio space, I very well might. The price is a little heady, but if you're someone who changes their setup quite a bit (I am), it feels like you could get a lot of value out of the base modules
Oh, and since Sven's supposedly reading: request, although I don't know if it'd fit their production line. What I'm really looking for is some kind of pivoting stand I can use to keep stuff like e.g. the KP3 or the pyramid that I want to have really at hand when I want it, but to be able to move out of the way easily as well in a performance/jamming situation. I've looked at a bunch of swiveling laptop/screen stands, and there's some that might do the trick, but I haven't tried any yet
I would look at ergotron arms designed for (visual) monitors if you want to swing stuff around. If the gear doesn't have a VESA mount you'd have to mount some tray to it, though
@@Lcrymlgy Any feedback is welcome, so thanks! I can tell you that there's something in our pipeline that might be interesting for you, but it will take a bit more time.
That's a brilliant piece of equipment! Sven, what about heavier and larger desktop units like an Access Virus or maybe a Waldorf Kyra? Do you think there will be a way to support those as well?
I know Sven is looking at stuff like that and that he is pretty serious about making sure it can take the weight. Maybe I can do an update video if theres new stuff for heavier synths coming.
Yes, we are often being asked about heavier gear and there will certainly be an option for this sooner or later. But I'd like to make sure it fulfills our standards, thus need quite a bit of testing. So please stay tuned and maybe subscribe to our newsletter for updates.
@@svenbauer6970 Hey! I just ordered 3 of these from your site and can't wait to get them. Do you have a FB page or something where we can get updates? I didn't see anything on the site about contact, just the newsletter. But I'm 100% another vote for one of these that can hold a Analog 4 Mk. II (even if it's a bigger and pricier base). I would love to have it above my main synth, since I usually connect something to it for a keyboard.
Nice video. This is interesting .... but a person like me who works in a mechanical workshop (Lathe / milling machine) can do this by himself, in a short time .... maybe not like this (maybe better than this project). And the great thing is that the cost is ZERO. Just a little ingenuity and desire to do. Brackets / decksavers / etc. fortunately I make them myself, making the decksavers for the Model: Sample and for the 2 F1 of Native Instruments in Lexan. + a support at 30 ° with cap and guide for the audio / power cables, "still to be finished" for the Korg NTS-1
I agree with your point on supporting independent businesses that focus on specific markets. But the import process from Europe or America to Asia (where I'm based) is so tedious, plus the ridiculous currency exchange rate with us being on the lower side keeps me from buying gear abroad (I only buy what's necessary) and look for cheaper alternatives where I'm at. If it's a 15$ stand but it does its job while I'm saving to get a better one then so be it.
Nice stands, I would like a support for a 5U synth like hydrasynth desktop or the GRP A2 but not sure the elevation module would remain stable, it might tilt left/right and these synth are a bit heavy....(but there are the stabilizing feets available actually..)
Hey Bo, I really want to hear your opinion about whether digitakt or digitone should i buy first. I am DJ ing for a long time now and playing mostly raw/hypnotic techno and i also like to keep it simple, minimal but also trippy. I also start to do some productions using Ableton without hardware but it is not going well as i would like to. Especially when i start a project, lining some kick, manuplate it add some features and try to get an idea feels not so insparatual to me. I am looking for some drum machine - sequencer and i heard digitakt is a beast for doing that(also watch all of your guides, they are brilliant). But i also see many of techno producers i have been following most likely switch digitakt to Octatrack at some point but never actually drop their digitone. So i keep asking mysely, is digitone a better alternative to buy for long term. Can i use digitone as sequencer good enough to learn elektron workflow. Or should i just start with digitakt and save money to buy also digitone. I made tons of reseach and couldn't decide it yet. Your opinion means a lot to me. I am also happy to see you well and healthy. Keep up with your good work Bo and i wish you health in this crazy times!
Heya! I think Digitone might actually suite you better since it can do chords and polyphonic stuff. But its so difficult to say. Digitone is mainly a sample player and its mono. Its actually quite good for techno too. But you wanted my opinion: unless you are dying to work with a sample based workflow i’d say the digitone is alot of fun and sounds pretty great. It can do drums too, just remember thats its an FM synth and drums will have a particular vibe to them
@@BoBeats Hey Bo. It is so nice of you to reply. Since i am making research about elektron boxes i have watched many of your videos so i am a big fan of your channel already! I just wanna ask you few more things if it is possible. It is very hard to find answers to this questions since both of the mashines are pretty good and it is great to find some answers from an experienced musician like you. I can only buy one of them at the moment that is why i am trying to be careful, also i won't be able to buy any hardware soon. So if you could only have one of them using it together with a DAW which one would be better choice? Is DAW a good way to bypass digitone s only 4 track limitation? I am totally inexperienced with hardware, even digitakt is sample based, manipulating them with lots of option could be better for learning music production better, or are they similar in that manner? I have no special feelings about sample base production but i also i understand that digitakts detailed tweaking settings makes it a strong groove box. Is digitone as powerful as digitakt at this manner. Also i don't have any other drum synt or keyboard so i won't be making my own samples either. Digitakt being mono is that big of a deal when you producing? Sorry if i trouble you too much with my questions Bo. I really wanna make best choice and i it is hard to find someone as experienced as you to ask this questions. I wish you best and thank you for your great content!
No worries and I will try and answer: For using it with a computer the Digitone will be most fun I think. This is because the computer can manage drums no problems, and its quite fun having external synths to play with. But to complicate things further: unless you want to use digitone standalone now and then I would also look at synths like Minilogue XD. That one is also great for just having as a part of your computer setup. The elektron boxes are absolutely best standalone as their internal sequencers are really cool. So if you are looking to integrate with your daw setup a minilogue xd takes more advantage of your DAW.
Something like this for the MC-101 that doesn't cover the headphone jack should be nice. I've been using a old tablet stand but with that I can use only USB or Line audio. BTW, who in Roland thought that having the headphone jack in the bottom was a good idea?
If mirai was a Japanese word, the meaning would be Future Vesa is an old standard making it compatible with many mounting accessories, some adjustable in many different ways.
You simply can't compare to the Ikea stands - while cheap and reasonably functional, they have too much give when you use the push encoders on Elektron gear. It makes the experience a little mushy and results in the stands slowly creeping across your desk with every press.
this is my bad for not showing: if you angle the second stand (so not the absolute steepest) you can actually fit cables ”inside” of the third stand. But like I also said in the video: I am not certain this is a ideal use case, and mostly showed it because its a possibility but maybe not 100% what I would call functional. But my bad for not just hooking up cables and showing.
Again, I think this is really cool and something that many have been asking for. Though, I notice that there's none made for the bigger Elektron boxes. But I guess that the universal tray can be used, even though it's a little small, it might be stable enough.
@@BoBeats the depth of the universal tray is 15 cm, so that's only a couple cm difference. The length is 25, so that's 9 cm difference. 4,5 on each side. Shouldn't be a problem really 🤔😊
Hmm. Wonder if I could put these into use with VIRPIL controllers (simulators, no audio related controllers here) or vice versa, use VIRPIL stands with my synths. Hmmmmmmmm.
I think I could justify it if it was half the price. But paying 100 euros per stand is a very hard pill to swallow. Maybe bundles could sweeten the deal?
There are different VESA formats available. Small monitors often use 75x75mm, larger screens have 100x100mm. The elektron devices are 100x100 and so is this adapter. However, I think it is important to note, that the Varidock adapter is constructed in a way so that the Elektrons are perfectly balanced on their VESA mounts. That is a significant difference to what those generic VESA monitor feet usually offer. Now if you want to mount something else than an Elektron to the Varidock, you should check beforehand if the VESA size is compatible and if the positioning of the mounting holes will work at the desired angle.
@@BoBeats that is what i meant, with 3 the angle would not be possible. i brought that up because often companies (not you) show gear without cables. your addendum avoids frustrated customers, who themselves do not think about the cables before buying. i liked the 3 tier with the angle, but as you showed in the addendum, sadly it is not working with the current version, but maybe they rethink it and change it in the future..
@@BoBeats i am sure, all information gives the opportunity to clear things up. some elektron users have a lot of units and the 3 tier even with the different angle could be a solution for them.
I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like this. I'm sure it's worth the price. I'm using a wire shoe shelf from Fred Meyer, it's cheap, a tad wobbly. And I am not saying you should go to Fred Meyer instead of the artisan synth stand maker. Also, I had to modify the shoe stand big time to get it to work. I could definitely see myself building synth stands at some point. So, go to the small artisan synth stand maker for sure. Fuck Fred Meyer.
These stands are cool and at that price point interested people will buy them. To be honest the intensity and time spent by you underlying how absurd a somewhat valid opinion was felt a bit out of place
I think going forward you will see me be a bit more outspoken and clear with my opinions on various topics. I have felt like I am sometimes show a bit to much restraint and sometimes I think its hurting me
I usually like your videos but I don't think you should call this one a review. You apparently did not play even 5 min with the stands. There was no cable been used and only quick clips of you randomly twisting knobs in a turned off device were shown. When you considered using 3 on a vertical it made me cringe.. I hope you get this as a valid criticism. People trust you. If you start a video saying it is not sponsored, I expect an honest description of your experience using the product, preferably after some days of use.
I appreciate the feedback and its a good reminder to be even clearer with what I show on video. What I record on video isnt always representative of what I have done with a product. I often film, test stuff some more, film a bit. So sometimes the video I shoot doesn’t cover everything I have done. But I should have filmed even more as this was clearly something people wanted to see. Based on yours and others feedback I wrote a stickied comment detailing the 3 tier system more clearly. Hopefully this helps. As for my time spent with Varidock this is the second video I’ve made about it so I have some experience with the stands. I am sorry if I did not convey this experience clearly enough in the video, and its a good reminder not to assume things and just be even more clear.Thank you.
