Dinosaur Planet (Nintendo 64 Prototype) vs. Star Fox Adventures (GameCube) | Side by Side 

@Energytainment If you actually had the manual, you can actually know what they did to make it.

What I hate is that they got rid of Krystal's entire culture. Like there was an entire society built by these biped anthropomorphic characters, but in the final game your made to believe that these complex megastructures were constructed by quadruped dinosaurs. Normally I'm really REALLY lenient on how far out of line a game can go for the sake of maintaining some aspect that makes the game unique, but even as a kid I thought it was nonsensical.

Same. It doesn't really sound like a true language meant to be spoken, it doesn't really seem like it has any structure or anything. And everyone sounds like they are juggling a hot potato inside their mouths.

@@nimboss Honestly, the only reason it sounds that way is because of the voice acting. It's not a result of bad acting necessarily, it's just that, by nature of being a fake language, every line sounds like it's being read straight from the script. Because it's literally everyone's first time reading the language. It's inevitably going to sound unnatural. It's just not a good idea and the only narrative purpose I think it serves is to give Slippy something to do.

Its cost less in traduction by voice actor...

This happens because it seems that this was one of the last builds for the n64 and they already started to switch to the gamecube. That's why Fox's here.

@Energytainment Saber appears in the upper-left corner for a couple seconds at 12:02. (That doesn't look like Fox, so it's probably Saber.)

Larutaku791 there’s a patch out where you can play as saber already

And Fox calls Randorn his father at one point. I think James McCloud would be perplexed and possibly offended if he heard that.

@@superfightingrobotmkx7776 😂

This fox and Melee fox design is still WAY better than the newer fox design.

@@ybfromoblock3381 I disagree in some cases.

Yeah... Rare were ahead of their times with graphics. Back in the pre-Xbox days, that had a knack for pushing a Nintendo system's graphics to their limits, creating amazing effects like 3D effects in Battletoads and the aformentioned fur effects in Star Fox Adventures... it took Nintendo until like Super Smash Bros. 4 to bring fur effects to fruition!

@@RoseSupreme For real. Even with donkey kong country, while it was pre rendered, was still expensive for the development team. They always go full out in the graphics department.

It was kept and reused in Conker: Live & Reloaded.

Rare already had done so for Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

@@SireOblivion IT was also done on Pokemon Stadium. IIRC that game had a license for some vocal compression codec on the title screen, since it was hard to store and use larger sounds without filling the cartridge up. I bet they used a similar compression here.

There are a lot of games with full voice acting on N64, Star Fox, Turok, Resident Evil, Conker, Pokémon Stadium, the console was capable, the developers were lazy and didn't want to work more. On PS1 they just had to put the tracks on the CD ROM, but because of that there's the issue of loading screens and the audio skipping when there's a little scratch on the disc.

@@ZpinalX I know that there were a few games that were completely synchronized. But still it was rather the rarity. Especially with such "big" games as Dinosaur Planet should be .. And yes, Rare games in particular support that

​​​@@ZpinalXIt's not quite that simple. During the start of the generation data compression technologies were still primitive, hence having more storage space on the cartridge mean't you needed to use the pricier chips, and often you still had to scale down the content. On PS1 on the other hand the large storage space on the discs mitigated this particular problem. More so than rubbish like "dev lazyness" it was simply a limitation of the technology, hence blame Nintendo for sticking with cartridges if anyone. By the end of the generation the compression techniques had evolved however, hence why you'd see sharper textures, voice acting and other scale related improvements near the end of N64's lifecycle. Work done by Factor 5 was especially crucial in this regard.

Miyamoto loves the damsel in distress trope.

I hated that they did that... Krystal is Such a interesting Character with such development, But They removed and Completely ignore her "Mystery of her parents death" Story they had for her...

It didn't help that Microsoft wanted to buy Rare during the later parts of developing this game.

Exactly! Dinosaur Planet's graphics were way ahead of it's time. Especially considering the N64 was on its last legs.

N64 version looks good "for the system" but GC version still looks great even by today's standards!

@@PFBM86 ehh, not that good by today's standards. Particle effects like fire and explosions are really outdated. Art style is a mixed bag, trying to be realistic and cartoony at the same time. GC still looks good, but the 64 version, being closer to the banjo-conker games, is easier to be seen as a real improvement.

But the framerate is very very low compared to smooth butter 60fps on the gamecube

@@hugo-garcia well, obviously. Not forgetting we're talking about a game not finished = not optimized

"NOOOOBODY BRINGS ME GIFTS ANYMORE"

Only the Krystal Swap stone is like that, on Fox's side he's just like in Adventures.

Definitely, the original English VA was pretty charming and gave the game a more classic magical vibe I love, the made up language just sounds stupid, especially when locations, names and titles are STILL in English

Funny thing that I noticed, at 11:32 you can see that Fox/Sabre makes a move like he's going to take his sword and you can clearly see the sword on the Nintendo 64 3D model, in Star Fox Adventures they kept the same movement, but you can't see the sword anymore, which makes the animation a little weird. This is just one of the little things that ended up getting weird in Star Fox Adventure (most of the stuff is plot related), There's a lot more world building and context to everything. SFA dumbed everything down. Did you know they never once explain what a Krazoa is in Adventures, it's really a shame that they didn't follow through with the original idea and ended up messing up the game by trying to fit Star Fox elements into it.

@@lumking972 i blame rare for that more then nintendo/shiggy tho. he just suggested sabre looked like fox or something right. i dont think he forced them to redo the entire plot to make it a spinoff starfox game?? ... i think he just wanted a cameo or something. if rare wished to use starfox in that game. they had miyamoto permission. idk been been while since i researched the sad demise of dino planet on 64. tho i do wish they game could have released on the intended system it was made for and how rare envisoned it before shiggy got involved.

Makes you wonder how it would look if it finished property

@@zero1zerolast393 Remember how Nintendo finished development of the prototype Star Fox 2, then released it on SNES Classic and Super Nintendo Switch Online?? Maybe Nintendo can do that to the prototype Dinosaur Planet too and finish its development, then add it to a N64 Classic and Nintendo 64 Switch Online!!

@@mattimusprimal637 I highly doubt that'll happen. They would have to de-make the whole game from the Sabre's campaign and a whole lot more for the plot to make sense. Plus, it's not like SF2 that was actually finished, but DP had a few months of development ahead and had some tasks to be done before launch. Also, they would need Rare's rights to publish it. Lots of stuff to actually care for DP in Switch

@@Leo-ei8zq No they don't. Rare gave up their rights to DP when it became a Star Fox game. Nintendo owns Dinosaur planet

@@mattimusprimal637 n64 switch online never gonna happen

@@Dragzilla66 I mean, her character in Dinosaur Planet is pretty fun to play as, and her animations in that game are very expressive. She's so damned *adorable*, I really hate that she and Kyte got shafted so hard in SFA.

don't fool yourself, this video only aligned what was there for comparison. The maker didn't show what isn't the same. And ofc, the game would have went a lot differently in the middle and end section.

When you go from an on rail shooter to Fox using a staff the whole game, it gonna piss off people who didn't know what they were buy

@@zero1zerolast393 they should’ve done their homework. I knew exactly what I was buying and I liked how they branched McCloud to a different style game.

@@LRon-ef7ni They showed off flight sections. People didn't realize how little there were, and how short they were, and how badly they controlled, and how boring they were. And, for the English version, the entire voice cast was replaced. _AND_ there were people excited for Dinosaur Planet, who got it stolen away from them and downgraded in both the story and gameplay depeatment. Both fan groups were unhappy.

@@Schwarzorn ah. Well at the time I knew exactly what I was getting but I can now see how people were disappointed. Still I don’t think the game is bad by any stretch. Take out Fox, take out the Arwing, and essentially it would have been what Dinosaur Planet may have been.

Do you remember the entire game? How the basic combat is 80% repetitive button mashing with 0 challenge, how incredibly rushed the last few levels are, and how ultimately linear and empty the game and its collecting is despite the appearance of being a Zelda Clone with Starfox bits forcibly merged into it? Considering what happened to the game/Rare (bullied by Miyamoto then sold to Microsoft almost immediately the day after the game came out), I don't mean to be overly pesimistic. I played this sucker front to back at least twice, and I've got my 5 year old nephew giving it a shot, just because it's simple enough that a child could play it. But ultimately, it was a mediocre experience. Decentish visuals and a really solid soundtrack, but bland gameplay and a plot that had a sledge-hammer taken to it. Which would have been fine, but after the amazing hit that was Starfox 64, and following up Ocarina of Time for what a genre defining adventure could look like, it's hard to argue that SFA wasn't a step down.

Definitely. I wouldn't have minded the weird, janky setting integration the N64 version was going for ("Royal Knight of the Lylat System" still cracks me up), just because it would've let more of Dinosaur Planet's personality show rather than trying to shoehorn it into a Star Fox game..

There's a lot more world building and context to everything. SFA dumbed everything down. Did you know they never once explain what a Krazoa is in Adventures, it's really a shame that they didn't follow through with the original idea and ended up messing up the game by trying to fit Star Fox elements into it.

I'll have to replay it for the details, but yeah, there are many elements left without an explanation.

@@lumking972 Adventures does explain that the Spirits are so powerful that they can bring peace if they're all in their place at the Palace. And apparently just before Scales' attack, the dinos hid the spirits in secret shrines to ensure Scales wouldn't get his hands on them. (The game does mention they can bring just as much bad as do good). They never explained what the Krazoa actually do though.

I think the resident evils looks way better, but it could be argued that they have a different art style.

@@Rihcterwilker the RE games look good (especially the train level on Zero), I just think SFA probably demonstrates the best the gamecube can output natively. The particles, fur effects, water effects, fast load times, and 60 fps. The RE games are more of a testament to clever design, by using high power PC's to render these truly generation ahead environments and then squish them into animated backgrounds on a GC disk. Overall, the RE games probably look better, but i think SFA and the Prime games best demonstrate the native power of the hardware.

@@huntergossett7359 Star Wars Rebel Strike is the most technically demanding game on the Gamecube. But SFA is probably the best blend of tech with with art, although F-Zero GX is up there as well.

SFA looks just as good as Conker Live & Reloaded.

Yeah but you know, haters gonna hate no matter what.

People are trying to restore Dinosaur Planet from the rom that was released. It's mostly there, including Sabre.

Typical Miyamoto story, he did this actually. Discard the whole 2 heroes and suggested (forced) to turned it into star fox game.

Hate to tell you all this, but as much as damsel Krystal was disappointing, some of the developers at Rare were actually really happy to work directly with Nintendo on this, they didn't mind the vision being altered, it was more-so the rush to the Gamecube push plus Microsoft buyout that caused crunch. On that note, this game wasn't even originally meant to be Krystal and Sabre's, even before Miyamoto suggested Fox. It was originally Timber and Diddy Kong's game, which was confirmed by someone working on the game.

It was Kevin Bayliss of DKC fame who revealed that info :)

​@@graveyardsmash2711 Yeah I just read that article the one lead put out and I'm surprised they liked the changes. I guess I'm glad they did but I would've preferred Dinosaur Planet. It could have been a cool series or at least an interesting gem that stood on it's own. But now its just forgotten

Kawaii eyes

Assault would have been a totally different game without adventures!

Didn't Miyamoto just offer to have the game bear the Starfox title due to the similarities, and the heads at Rare took the offer of their own choice?

@@TheDman131 I'm not really sure what do you mean, Assault was announced before Adventures came out so Nintendo was already planning to release another SF game more close to the arcade style

@@kross7023 the game was teased but booed off the stage and put into redevelopment Nintendo didn't actually make the game namco did nintendo just published it. they borrowed from adventures adding Crystal as a part of the crew and Crystal wouldn't have been a part of the crew if adventures wasn't a thing

@@joshuareesor1756 I believe so. In fact, cutting Krystal's part out was *Rare's* decision. It was *Nintendo* that insisted she be put back in as a love interest for Fox.

How so? This is a demo build from after it became a Starfox game. We're seeing a very thin slice of what was made. Not to mention that the entire point of this video is showing the similar bits.

@@iceveins412 It doesn't matter when it changed names to Star Fox. Fox just replaced Sabre as a character and has mostly the same lines and gameplay mechanics and Krystal would've still been playable. Did you even play the beta? It's exactly the same as the final product. Sure some small areas were cut while others were expanded but it still follows the same story and areas.

Same, but you can thank miyamoto for that. I liked adventures, but after finding this out a while back before the leaked footage, that miyamoto was way over his head. Then again, either way if dinosuar planet was released it would have been a hidden gem, that recieved no further sequels due to Microsoft buying rare out. Guess same thing happened with adventures. Wouldn't have mattered either way

@@JohnDman2020 Thing is, signs point to the extreme rewrite to make it Fox's game only being Rare's idea, and Nintendo actually insisted that Krystal at least stay as a love interest.

Preach it! 🙌🏽❤

Not to bash your taste man, but really, I don't get why all this praise with Assault. From someone who has been playing Star Fox since SNES (I'm literally a fanboy of the franchise), Assault was definitely my least favorite game. Of course, the CGi of the cutscenes, the orchestra arrangements and the arwing designs were a blast, but the gameplay and story was meh, it could have been better imo, something like Jet Force Gemini. I think the best Star Fox I've played since Adventures is Starlink: Battle for Atlas, and that isn't even a Star Fox game. But honestly in my opinion, the best Star Fox for me is Star Fox 2, I'd really love a remaster of that game.

@@vito015 isnt the remaster for star fox 2 or rather the remake for it star fox zero? I understand not everyone liked assault I was a particular fan of the cast memebers who played the parts of fox falco slippy (very much so because when I played star fox 64 when I was still a kid I always thought he was a girl,) krystal and all the others I mean sure the story was a bit weak but it did haves its moments for me like fox and star wolf working together to stop a common foe or the wing battle mechanic I thought was a nice touch too I do want to see a return of the aparoids Because they were a force to be reckoned with basicly star fox version of the borg (I hope thats the right name) they could have done it a bit better here and there but I do think the game is solid especially the multiplayer as well!

@@TheDman131 Not exactly, Zero was actually a reboot of the very first game from the SNES, they only took the Walker from Star Fox 2. To be fair, the franchise went downhill since Adventures, it's really a shame, it seems that Miyamoto do not care much with his mascot, if you think about it, Star Fox has served as tests mostly, which is why I like Adventures and Starlink the most (from these last 3d games), because developers did honor the background story from it (specially Starlink which has a lot of fanbase quotes and personality). Assault doesn't really tell any of this, since everything happens really fast within the story and they just vaguely mention one thing or two from the lore. Won't deny that Assault's multiplayer was great! It must be because the game itself was intended to be a multiplayer type game, not single player at all.

@@vito015 Same here dude. I also think Star Fox 2 is the best Star Fox game. Even though Starlink: Battle for Atlas is not a Star Fox game, but it was Star Fox saving grace after what happen with Star Fox Zero.

Fox was added around the transition which occurred after E3 2000. The knight and Lylat line does make little sense of course. As it pretty much swaps Sabre and his original line, Sabre originally says he was from a planet called animos and that was changed to Lylat by the Dec 2000 build.

Dude the game is literally 99% the same game.

@@kevinfromsales9445 It absolutely isn't.

@@kevinfromsales9445 Having played Dinosaur Planet, I can tell you "99%" is very generous. The further along it goes, the more off rails Adventures goes from Dinosaur Planet. Combat is also more monotonous in Adventures. Adventures also features far more filler content while Dinosaur Planet maintains a brisk pace. Adventures is also missing major features, as well as quality of life stuff Dinosaur Planet already had and is now gone for some reason. Not to mention having different stories between the two.

@@eddie142 I'll agree with the filler content and the fact that they removed Krystal as a playable character that was a huge mistake. However the beta doesn't show any worthwhile difference that would drastically improve the gameplay it would still be a watered-down Zelda experience just a far more impressive one on the N64 than on GC.

@@kevinfromsales9445 While I disagree that it was particularly watered down by the standards of that era considering how many mechanics were unique to it, whether it was watered down or not is irrelevant. My point is that it is not 99% the same game, which was the argument.

Could you elaborate on the language please? I do own the game but I never saw a translation guide in the manual.

@@Leon_der_Luftige it seems like it was supposed to be more of a Cypher, it wad basically just all vowels were replaced with other vowels and the rest with the rest so s was d and so on. It wad just kinda weird

@@MaiOhMai255 ah, thx.

It runs at a reported 60fps on Mupen64plus on Retroarch, but does visibly stutter regardless of that framerate. One neat thing is that the music is identical between the two versions and not "downgraded" in any way compared to its Gamecube counterpart.

And worth noting that it would look better on actual hardware.

There would be Krystal in DP, she just wouldn’t look like what she was in SFA and not be a furry icon.

The latter, always.

Emulators are "best case scenario" - aka how the game(s) were supposed to look and play/run. The games don't look "way worse" on real hardware, you've just got a shittier visual-out. Emulator is direct, while obviously A/V with a CRT is going to look worse.

@@Atari-Dude That's a good point but the games didn't come attached to a powerful PC, the games came out for a specific system with its limitations, and their "shitty" output. The proof is that most hacks don't work on real hardware because they are just too much for the machine. The best case scenario would be the limit of the console (640x360i) on N64 at 30 fps.

@@ZpinalX Fair, fair. However this leaked version of Dinosaur Planet is very unfinished so it's a miracle it's playable on actual N64 system at all. Even on emulator, it's super unstable and there's tons of frame drops for me... So suffice it to say, it's not representative of a final product anyway. So I personally don't think it's a huge deal that an Emulator was used to capture footage.

@@mjskillz23 I own both NGC and N64, i know what i'm talking about, I've played those consoles since launch day "kid". I don't know why people get offended by the truth. xD

@@ZpinalX YOU ARE SO CORRECT JUST IGNORE THE IDIOTS

Just wait. People are restoring the Dinosaur Planet game from the rom that was released. Sabre is still in the game. And most of it is intact. Just need bug fixes and touch ups.

@@Careidina342 You got any links to be updated on progress? Twitter acc, or even a Discord server for that matter?

@@damian9303 If the players would actually finish the game themselves, it would be astonishing.

I wish Krystal had been kept something closer to her original iteration. At the very least, I wanted Krystal to be a major playable character à la in the original Dinosaur Planet. Her being trapped in the crystal the whole adventure was so lame.

@@flyforce16 I agree she should've been playable. But she looks way better in the GC version instead of looking like a teddy.

She speaks a little English in Star Fox Adventures too.

I never knew that Eternal Darkness started on N64! That makes sense, because I remember the controls feeling a little janky. It would be so interesting to play it on the N64. There are so many sad what-ifs. The 64 could’ve had an insane library if things like Mother 3 or Final Fantasy had gone another way.

And with a PC port that Nintendo'd never dare try! Because Ninty's full of cowards who don't want to go past iOS and Android devices.

​@@TheBreakingBenny well Nintendo games should be released on their systems. Remember they own the IP, you can't just pirate games.

@@eramos8916 You mean ONLY on Ninty's platforms? Sony does that too, they want all the revenue, and everyone else "can fuck off".

@@eramos8916 You know Steam exists, right?

The bizarre thing is, there's an actual unique "puzzle solved" jingle in the code, but it's not the one used!

This is the first time in listening to it, and it’s already nostalgic as heck, it’s a very pleasant retro sound

Not quite, it really sounds out of place unless they'd had focus Fox as an ancestor of the real Fox McCloud.

@@vito015 maybe that was the initial idea, turning Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox spin-off/prequel, taking place way way back when things were more primal medieval, maybe like seeing how Corneria came to be or something, while playing as an ancestor of Fox, but either Nintendo/Miyamoto refused and told them to not do that and just put the main Star Fox crew everyone knows in there, or they themselves just scrapped that idea for whatever reason

The dinosaurs got hotter, too

@@CS-zn4bu awesome, a man of culture!

@@marioisawesome8218 Yessss!

changes i guess.

Because the game was cancelled for the N64 and reworked for the Gamecube was a Star Fox game.

Is it, though? I don't think he really had much of a character before SFA. You look at this portrait in 64 (which SFA is a sequel to), and you see he had a constant scowl.

Knowing that Ninty's pretty scared of giving us another Star Fox game after Star Fox Zero did so poorly, I don't think that's likely. I'd wager they have no idea what to do with Krystal either.

You can forget about Krystal being in another Star Fox game after the three StarFox games she was in. They will have to make a Star Fox Adventure remake just to bring her back which I highly doubt it will happen.