Disappointing dash.. - Ferrari engined Alfa 105 Alfarrari build part 204

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@watchthisspacecarchannel6523 5 месяцев назад

I like how you take disappointment in your stride , always pays to have that positive attitude, especially with the complexity of projects on this scale, great stuff Jeff

@user-yx3ih7so6d 5 месяцев назад

yeah wish I had the same capacity, knocks me back for a long time. sadly it often puts me off the project altogether for a while. need to learn some mind management.

@FanatikBuilds 5 месяцев назад

Seeing as the latest update on Binky is supposedly covering the gauges (and it’s been over 8 months since their last update) we must assume at this point that this is the single most complicated aspect of building a car! 😉 You’ll sort it out, you always do! ✌️

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

Thanks mate. It is extremely fiddly, but I will get it sorted ;)

@penrich 5 месяцев назад

Great work Jeff. I think an Alfa Mito cluster retrofitted in the Alfarrari would look fantastic. Especially if the tacho background was yellow.

@Zukunftretro 5 месяцев назад

I really love this level of detail! So many builds just dies out, but you keep ok improving it and solve the small issues of the car. Having a modern cluster with the old look is exactly what I love seeing❤

@peterwarner8541 5 месяцев назад

I feel your pain. I often ‘upgrade’ something only to find I’m not completely satisfied and come back to undo it. A lot of the modern stuff doesn’t sit right with older cars (led lights for example).

@helistorm98 5 месяцев назад

You can use almost any diode, it isnt a fast aplication, a 1n4007 is a good and a extremly cheap option

@1991thewilliams 4 месяца назад

I did a similar thing with my Valiant dash, ordered custom speedhut digital gauges in the R/T styling, then grafted them in the Regal dash. Consistent lighting, all digital, and it gave me lots of flexibility in design. Looks very factory!

@stemdan6270 5 месяцев назад

Use two diodes, one fed from the left indicator, the other from the right. Assuming the signal from each is the positive side, the cathodes of each (Ie. The side with a line printed on the diode) connect together to fed power to the light on the dash. A common 1n4001 or similar will do the job assuming the dash light does draw less than an amp.

@Pebsi07 5 месяцев назад

As much as I love the cars you're making, your attitude to work is just as additive. Great stuff!

@geraldstanley9692 5 месяцев назад

Temporary setbacks, Jeff. Yes on the separate water temp sensor and yes on the diodes. Have done both on my Ginetta with Davies Craig controller and adjustable speed LED indicator controller that didn’t have the output for the single dash indicator repeater.

@brianshorey 5 месяцев назад

Jeff holds something in his hands that looks stunning, and expresses disappointment in it. If the new smaller gauges have LED lighting I might try to see if I can find something that mimics the original lighting, or maybe updating all of the lighting to make it consistent?

@FoundingStockNZ 5 месяцев назад

Hats off to the patrons, the new equipment will make things a lot easier for the man!

@Akiss 3 месяца назад

Not sure if someone else mentioned, but having all the fonts look the same makes a big aesthetic difference for the interior to look cohesive. Numbers on the tach/speedo look Jaguar-esque with a serif style, I'd try to have all gauge be in the vintage Alfa font. Amazing content just the same.

@bentleyaltizer505 5 месяцев назад

I did the diode trick on my Alfa when resto-modding it. Worked great. I'll DM you details

@olewurtz7625 5 месяцев назад

As mentioned and suggested by yourself, diodes will do the job of isolating the right and left blinker circuits when using one indicator lamp. I’m an electronic engineer and have worked on a few cars in my time, including an E-type where I updated the instrument lights to led strips. Happy to help with suggestions I.E. draw up some wiring diagrams.

@andrekardol 5 месяцев назад

For the indicators you can use a flasher relais with one dash output. The other output goes to the indicator stalk.

@andytapster 5 месяцев назад

Diodes is indeed the way to go. Had the same problem many years ago with an after-market alarm which caused the same problem. Two diodes (one per side of the car) feeding into the dash lamp will do the trick. Can't remember the ratings, but any half-decent electrical engineer will spec it for you :)

@TigerRogers0660 5 месяцев назад

You'll get the gauges right Jeff. There's now so many options out there.

@dunniss 5 месяцев назад

You can replace the existing bulbs with wedge style LED replacements in the dash, just get a variety as you may need to test out different styles to get the right brightness.

@WillPittenger 5 месяцев назад

With your new shop, be sure to include a fire sprinkler system. Brent of Half Ass Kustoms had his old shop burn down. Two of his project cars were badly damaged. One was burned and had heavy items fall on it. The other was seriously burned. He lost a lot of equipment and memorabilia like his custom desk based on the front end of an old truck, custom decorative signs, and more. He's repaired some of the tools and built a new shop. But somethings just can't be replaced.

@anthonycunningham5872 5 месяцев назад

You, Jeff, are a certified genius. It seems that you are able to make things fit. Congratulations

@ferrariguy8278 5 месяцев назад

Another option you could look into driving X27-168 stepper motors with an Arduino or other MCU then you can have a board behind the current gauges that uses the same needle you have. That might mean learning kicad so you can have a basic PCB made that the x27 can socket into. There's a lot of code ready to use, and I suspect that ChatGTP could springboard you forward to adjust the code if needed. You may want to create a PCB ring of LEDs of the right color for the gauge illumination rather than the old incandescents. Depending on your alternator setup though, older cars REQUIRED a Bat/Alt incanscent bulb (resistance) in order to stimulate charging. That one bulb can't be replaced with an LED. But you have a hybrid old/modern car so IDK.

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

That is an option, but much more complicated than I want to play with :D

@Lou-f 5 месяцев назад

@@HomeBuiltByJeff more complicated than say a V8 in….😂

@mryoung8586 5 месяцев назад

What about a simple 555 PWM/pot adjustment to dim the LEDs

@danijuggernaut 5 месяцев назад

A good varnish job needs 5 to 7 coats. Apply normal furniture varnish with brush and between coats the surface has to be smoothen with steel wool. Sorry but this time i'm not agree with you in this part, this wood parts should be wood natural color and in combination with the original Alfa Romeo wood steering wheel. Hmmm, you have to understand me, i raised up in the 80's with so many Italian friends, hahaha. Cheers Jeff, great job like allways.

@electroborg 5 месяцев назад

That's the dash of the 2000, 1300 junior unificato models, it has the quadrifoglio stylized in the gauges themselves, which is a thing I read on the internet and hadn't noticed even after looking into one for half a century😁

@SpankysHotRodsandCustoms 5 месяцев назад

Hate the dash cluster didn’t work out. Great effort and you’ll get it -Spanky

@volvogt21 5 месяцев назад

Hey you did a great job. Its always hard to match old and new gauges and illumination. You could try making a ring of leds around the perimeter to match the colour temp of your new gauges yes diodes for the turn signalindicator. One for left one for right. Its a common motorcycle problem when changing dashes. Value depends on if you are running led bulbs etc. Chat to your jaycar staff member. .

@user-tc7yy3mv5m 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic build and really interesting to see how you do everything yourself. Now, I have rebuilt a Volvo Amazon Station wagon and instead fuses and relays all over the place i installed 2 ecu's to contol all electronics. I also had the issue with 1 contol lamp for left and right so what I did was programming the ecu saying; if left outgoing indicator is actice also activate outgoing contol indicator and the same for the right. In this way the outgoing control indicator signal was separated from left and right outgoing signals. Port 1 Left / activate Port 3 Port 2 Right / activate Port 3 Port 3 Indicator Hope it make sence and thanks for a Great channel

@terminalpsychosis8022 5 месяцев назад

That console is lookin really good. gonna be as intended.

@cloudfrontsystems 5 месяцев назад

First of all, your entire build is f***ing amazing. It is simply mind boggling that, a fireman in a shed, could, single-handedly, produce such an incredible car! If you are going to rethink the gauges, have you considered possible redesigning them in the orange esthetic of Ferrari from the 90's, think Ferrari 348 or Testarossa. I personally have a soft spot for these gauges and it might be a nice blending of the two marks. If not I think changing the needles on the Raceworks gauges to match the original Alfa's, and touching up the black where you cut the hole for the digital readout, will be a big improvement.

@fly33boxer 5 месяцев назад

one word - Speedhut!!

@billweston6579 5 месяцев назад

With vacuum bagging veneers on. It’s not to hold the wood in place while it dries. It’s to give it an even pressure over the surface so it pushes the two parts together evenly. When veneering two pieces together. You need to make sure they are pressed together so every part. Of the surface is glued evenly together and any air that is trapped between the two is pushed out and there is an even thickness and grip of glue between them. You can also put heavy weights in them or use a press. Leave them pressed for at least 24 hrs. You will be amazed at the surface.

@caztroll 5 месяцев назад

You can get LED bulbs that fit in place of the original bulbs, often with different colour temps. Or maybe raid a modern dash for backlight ideas. I would be tempered to change to both left and right idiot lights for the blinkers. And if you have spare positions add idiot lights for high temp etc. Often you only read the gauges after the light has come on to tell you there is an issue. Using modern stepper motors in an old dash is another way to go. Got to do that to one of mine.

@henkvandebeek7921 5 месяцев назад

This channel gets better and better!

@hammerborg5663 5 месяцев назад

A great effort Jeff, you'll get there eventually.

@trapjohnson 5 месяцев назад

It's not a step backwards, and you learned stuff along the way.

@edwardofernando2763 5 месяцев назад

Hi Jeff I just chucked some diodes in my old motorbike to solve feedback issues causing incorrect flashing (one indicator dash lamp like you). Heres what i did: 1. Cut the two wires going to indicator dash lamp at an appropriate location for soldering, positioning etc 2. Solder one diode on each of the wires to allow current downstream toward the indicator dash lamp. 3. Solder the downstream ends of diodes together and attach to one wire of indicator dash lamp (doesnt matter which one) 4. Attach other indicator dash lamp wire to ground. I think this might be useful for you as it sounds like a similar set up to you, both sides of the indicator curcuits are connected via that bulb which causes issues. I used 1N4004 1A 400V Diode from jaycar.

@ronintres6757 5 месяцев назад

It's a pity that it didn't turn out quite as you had hoped, but I must say that the original style really suits the character of the car. In any case, I hope everything works soon 🍀💪🏻

@88Frank 5 месяцев назад

I had the exact same thing adding a tacho to my datsun 620. There seems to be plenty of gauge face solutions but actually illumination is the biggest headache. I even had an identical Stack oil pressure gauge and water temp gauge and they were lit differently to each other

@jimclarke1108 5 месяцев назад

Don't forget the clock and humidity gauges Jeff😁, Gauges look original, perfect

@user-yx3ih7so6d 5 месяцев назад

had the same headache with my own build. tried to retrofit modern stuff into a classic cluster. lighting is a mess. ended up changing all the old lights for LED and then using a tiny PWM controller to bring the brightness down to a nice level. it also meant that the lights only came on when the exterior vehicle lights were on, like the stock setup. tbh still not 100% happy with it but at least it's not blinding at night and to most observers it looks fine.

@andreashjulstrom9275 5 месяцев назад

Loooking forward to the next episode !!😃😃

@briangreen6602 5 месяцев назад

Get the dash hydro-dipped for wood grain.

@mackellmo1083 5 месяцев назад

Some good lessons here.

@pashakdescilly7517 5 месяцев назад

Also the tach and speedo faces look blue, and the fuel+water temp look black. Nick and Rik have been fooling around with the instruments for Binky for about a year.

@geniferteal4178 5 месяцев назад

Look up Tom's Refurb. He just did A custom dash for his 67 (i think) Mustang. It's very different but he kind of had the same idea to keep the old look. His work is rough around the edges. In the end it came out surprisingly okay. You might be amused and you'll feel better about the quality of your work.😢

@terryrichards5912 5 месяцев назад

Good to see you finally got the throatless shears, best value for money piece of kit you can get for metal fab.

@pasha12343 5 месяцев назад

Great effort 👍🙂🇬🇧

@guywilson187 5 месяцев назад

The dials are an important part of any car so they have to be right. I know you'll crack it mate. I'm onboard with the authentic looking retro analogue dials. Hopefully you can find a matching set that gives you what you need. I'm looking foward to seeing the finished result.

@paulwhite7475 5 месяцев назад

Perfection is the enemy of good enough . The gauges look good in my humble opinion.

@ThrottleStopGarage 5 месяцев назад

I've had the same problem with another car - can't get the old gauges to illuminate at night as well as the new gauges - hate it - haven't changed it yet. Love what you're doing making this work. Do you have a 3D printer? The traces on that circuit board is pure Italy - what a work of art! I wasn't going to comment on the woodgrain. I've done some veneering in and out of cars over the years. If you're happy with the satin - it looks fine. If you're wanting to redo it, there is a veneer product that has a backing of 3M adhesive and it won't ripple. Automotive clear is far better - either clear product can attack the contact adhesive. I have used automotive clear on wood in cars for years. Zero issues.

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I do have a 3D printer. I will probably redo the wood grain at some stage, but it will do for now as I have plenty of other priorities these days ;)

@eslai 5 месяцев назад

It's too bad the illumination isn't right, because from where I'm standing it all looks pretty good. Mismatched gauge illumination is a big pet peeve of mine though so I know exactly where you're coming from!

@dra911 5 месяцев назад

Ahh, it sometimes goes like that. I kinda wondered where this was going when all four gauges were replaced! Maybe a 3D printed backing to mount the new ones would be good too?

@witchcraftauto 5 месяцев назад

Wiring always takes so much longer than people realize! Nice video though, really enjoying the journey

@peterbonnez 5 месяцев назад

At least you didn't find "Oh no! Not again" written on the back of the speedo....

@aarongorman9034 5 месяцев назад

Have you had a look at speedhut gauges?

@backyardprojects9945 5 месяцев назад

@a1962Cobra 5 месяцев назад

+2. I’ve used Speedhut and found them fantastic. They can print any font and your own logo on the gauges. Easy to calibrate to whatever outputs your ecu or senders are giving.

@rjung_ch 5 месяцев назад

Hi Jeff, maybe you can put dimmer bulbs into the two smaller gauges, then the light wouldn't be too bright or is there a dimmer (yet) in that model? Overall I love the looks, on my screen they look super nice and the colours blend in nicely! Cheers 👍💪✌

@Nikoxion 4 месяца назад

Maybe would have been a good idea to 3D print the gauge mountings? If some easy fixture points were available.

@CallFor911 4 месяца назад

Great Chanel, great projects! Nice, like and sub

@machtschnell7452 5 месяцев назад

In Texas that instrument bin deforms in the sun. I have a new one I hope to scan and reproduce in carbon fiber or some other more thermally stable 3D printed material.

@peterlunn2927 5 месяцев назад

Just cut back the gloss with fine steel wool and furniture wax - classic furniture technique

@jimidasaint 5 месяцев назад

Sick work on the two original main gauges Jeff. They look great. I didn’t like that you removed the original glass on the small ones though as they are convex, and the big ones or concave, making the overall look a bit awkward. I’m sure it’ll all look amazing when you redo it 😅

@georgegavrylenko1031 5 месяцев назад

Jeff, have a look at Speed hut gauges, might help you out

@delmarrathbone7092 5 месяцев назад

Have you considered painting the needles on the smaller gauges white to match the speedo and tach?

@geniferteal4178 5 месяцев назад

You should be scratching the green coating off the circuit board before soldering. You can see the copper at the end of the traces. That's how it should look that's what you want to soldier to.

@pagshomegarage514 5 месяцев назад

Hi Jeff, just a thought, can you put 2 indicator lights in the 1 window on the dash. That way the indicators are separate but flash on the dash in the same spot.

@benheynen2705 5 месяцев назад

Surely the auto paint solvent is eating the contact adhesive with the veneer. Trust me, use carbon or fibreglass epoxy and it will work out well. Pour it on and cut and buff it hard as you like.

@MicahBell_1860 5 месяцев назад

I love the original style gauges. I reckon it wouldn't be too difficult for Raceworks to make a duplicate Speedo & Tacho with same illuminations as their smaller gauges. Not a wasted week

@jamest5149 5 месяцев назад

You can use either diodes or relays to stop back feeding the indicators. Are you not running a PDM Geoff? They have a ouput for indicators?

@nigelk780 5 месяцев назад

With the indicator you do indeed use two diodes. just sketch out the current flows and it will be obvious where you dont want current back flow. Solder the diodes into the loom.

@jerehada 5 месяцев назад

amazed how well that went I’m sure I’d have broken needles in glass and all sorts.

@fatTony666 5 месяцев назад

Jeff when are we going to see you drive it in anger ?? We are itching to see you fanging it around the twisty's......

@dombarton2483 5 месяцев назад

Looks like Jeff is still way off it being finished.

@Steve-jq4st 5 месяцев назад

The last little things tend to take ages.

@dombarton2483 5 месяцев назад

@@Steve-jq4st yes for sure

@mikeymasi 5 месяцев назад

@@Steve-jq4styep just ask the binky lads

@TheRealFLX81 5 месяцев назад

Well mate, if you redo the gauges anyway, may I suggest to make the tach yellow like most modern Ferraris with analogue gauges have? That would work so damn well with the theme of the car and the outside color, too! ;)

@malcolmbull596 5 месяцев назад

Are you using the standard bulbs for back lighting? The ones on mine are pretty dim. Perhaps an upgrade to warm LEDs would be in order? Mine has a little button on the dash - it takes the dash from dim to dimmer :-)

@meanredspider 5 месяцев назад

I know you said you’d do it again differently but, with all the time (and I guess, money) you’ve spent even on the dash, a PDM would have made it so much easier. Only posting this again for those considering a similar project though I also wonder if it is still not too late to go that way on this project. You’d end up with a far simpler and more maintainable set up.

@ayourk1 4 месяца назад

3D Printing people go through the same thing with temperature sensors. There are easily over 100 different ways temperature can be sensed with various different resistance tables, etc. Just take a look at Marlin if you don't believe me.

@chrisoo8998 5 месяцев назад

Jeff how do you stay calm haha 😄 im doing up a car at home i hate setbacks

@bobherz6586 5 месяцев назад

I see the license plates on the shelf by the drill press. Neat to see it's a car enthusiast thing anywhere you go... Is there somewhere we could ship you plates from our areas to share? I'm in the US for example.

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

Love a collection of plates. You can send them to; Home Built by Jeff PO Box 1520 Bowral, NSW 2576 Australia

@user-cn8oi1mc2k 5 месяцев назад

cool!!

@jeffhammond8969 4 месяца назад

Hmm, with the modern gauges, could you swap out for some LEDs that are less bright to more closely approximate the original gauge lighting? Seems to me that the build wouldn't be as nice if it had too bright modern look in the cluster.

@AW_DIY_garage 5 месяцев назад

I regards to the center console and trim pieces in wood. What about having them hydro coated?

@neilrobertson72 5 месяцев назад

The single warning bulb for both indicator sides is not a problem.IE when the right indicator is on current goes through the warning bulb and earths through the left indicator bulbs but the the current flow through the small warning bulb is not enough to cause the left indicator bulbs to illuminate.

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

The issue is that the inputs need to be joined together before they go through the bulb ;)

@diegovianavillegas3297 5 месяцев назад

Another way, for me easier, less invasive way to convert an old dashboard to new inputs is to use an arduino controlled servo for the tach anf for the speedo. You can use an inexpensive small servo, and with little to no effort you can keep even the old dials

@bnambisan 5 месяцев назад

I like that you tried to keep the same look on the gauges. Would have enhanced the look if you had used the same font. I noticed they are quite different. I made the comment when you hadn’t yet changed the fuel and water gauges. Now those are changed, will you be redoing the smaller gauge faces and needle to match the bigger ones?

@MattiaRaffaldi 4 месяца назад

Maube you can disable the illumination on the little gauge, you will probably still be able to see them at night.

@darrenpotter2553 5 месяцев назад

Consider LED for the lamps in he dash, will change all the illumination to the same??

@tomthumb4767 5 месяцев назад

Just in time

@Tinker2006 5 месяцев назад

Well if it worth doing once do it twice … actually like the rev counter and speedo you’ve done, couldn’t you have done the same with the other 2 gauges?

@DarrenMartin-bw8zi 5 месяцев назад

Early gang Nice work Jeff!!

@b3nny90 5 месяцев назад

That looked a lot harder than I imagined. I know raceworks are a sponsor hence using their products however I know Autometer have a hotrod range of gauges which might be more what you're after. Also aren't the smaller gauges illuminated off the light switch anyway? Keen to see the end result as I love the style l digital dashes etc are cool but not always fit for the style of the cars they get put in.

@TheBuildRoom 5 месяцев назад

Hi Jeff - I was under the impression that the weight of the needles on gauges effected the calibration? Is this not the case on the new gauges or something? Have you driven it to see it tach and speed are still accurate? RPM would be the scary one here obviously!

@HomeBuiltByJeff 5 месяцев назад

New digital gauges don't work like the old ones.