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I kid you not, that volition check is the exact moment this game became my favorite game of all i've ever played. By that point it was already on my top five with all the stellar writing and beautiful artstyle, but that check is such a beautiful moment where gameplay and story crash and burn against each other, almost like a specific type of interface screw, i wish more games played with their own mechanics like this.
The only way that this moment could have been even better would be if you had the option of getting the other all stats "back to normal" by going to the bathroom and *FURIOUSLY* masturbating until your thoughts became clear again.
it was so exciting for me, I had trusted my skills for all of the game, and then suddenly, I had to second-guess myself, I was compromised, every decision mattered, every second was tense, it was the boss fight to end all boss fights, genuinely never felt more engaged by a game than this. Incredible stuff
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange Not only that, but it totally recontextualizes the rest of the game for you. Up to this point, like you said, I trusted my skills implicitly. But after this, even those they're not so transparently compromised, you now know that your skills are still Harry, and are as flawed as he is. Sometimes they'll be helpful and sometimes they'll mislead you. Hell near the end of the game, Suggestion will mislead you so bad it will apologize to you directly. But this is the moment you learn that you can't trust your skills
Fuck that’s lame. Do you feel proud of the fact that everytime you say the word “simp” you advertise yourself as an apathetic undereducated ignorant immature and reactionary young male with a tenuous grasp on women or positive human interactions as a whole?
This is the kind of gameplay subversion that I love, when the developers invent a unique mechanic just so they can pull the rug out from under you when you least expect it. The skills are outstanding at helping you critically think about external stimuli, but aside from Volition none of them even try to apply those concepts to themselves. I really love how every voice has an individual speaking pattern and how they all have different ways of coming to terms with Klaasje's betrayal. As a side note I love love LOVE the image of this unhinged man who is a complete slave to the chorus of voices in his head, and one day one of the voices cozies up to his ear and whispers, "You can't trust the others".
funny thing after volition check if you have high enough drama it kinda wakes up from her spell and demands you arrest her because its so pissed that it got tricked.
I like how everyone's takeaway is "oh Volition rules, it's the one you can trust!" when the whole point is how having blind, unquestioning trust for ANY of these voices in your head is a bad idea.
Yep, the funny thing is Volition was also compromised, only in the opposite direction, since we later found out that Klaasje's past had nothing do with the murder. Funnily enough, Logic's analysis of the situation was the closest to the truth.
The second the voices became “un-compromised” they all turned righteous and baying for blood. Harry’s inner misogynist talking even through volition…from that point on I knew I couldn’t arrest her.
*Really* glad they got the Volition roll after Woolie leveled up before even trying it. Better to have a 42% followed by a 58% instead of a lone 58% he couldn't retry (without drugs) because of the learning cap. Hope he learns this and/or gets over his fear of white-check damage.
My favorite part about Volition in this particular check is that there is a hidden issue with it's discovery--now it completely distrusts Klaasje, even when she might be telling the truth.
All of these “voices” and “skills”, parts of Harry (us) that help him (us) navigate the world, are subconsciously affected by the trauma that rocked his previous life. This moment when the voices turn on Klaasje ring as symbolic of the disproportionate hatred that men hurl at women that have deceived them, i.e. emotional infidelity. There is a huge problem in that men are given so few avenues to be emotionally open and free and tender that they often unconsciously pour it into a woman they find attractive, and expect that the woman accept those feelings and treat them with respect, all without giving her a head’s up . When she doesn’t give back the same “commitment”, they feel fooled and betrayed, resentful, angry in a way that is, again, disproportionate to the level of one-sided commitment they have established with this woman. Harry had implicitly attached himself to Klaasje, viewing her as a beautiful disco-girl who perhaps is lost to drugs and booze (think Jenny from Forrest Gump) that needs to be protected. Klaasje has survived as long as she has with her wiles and playing men and women alike on their desire to help the “beautiful mysterious woman”,. Harry carries within him a Madonna/Whore complex, an extreme dichotomy that carries great repercussions for those who believe in it irl. The game also takes the “faking rape” cliche and turns it on its head by having Klaasje state outright that she wasn’t raped and that it was a lie made up by the Hardy Boys. We find out she is a liar on many things, but the writers deliberately and consciously chose not to make her Big Lie about false accusations of sexual assault, and I cannot commend them enough on that decision. Instead she goes the “predatory lesbian” route which, while also eyebrow raising worthy, is cleared up by the accused in short order herself, further revealing that Klaasje is a woman who will skirt and evade however she can without directly pointing to someone as the culprit with her own words. She makes you say it for her. As the player you can soften his attitude or go whole hog and chase the MGTOW angle, or meet in the middle as a preachy male feminist. The fact that the game bakes a layer of misogyny, or at the very least a sort of open-wounded timidity yet cautious hopefulness toward beautiful women into Harry’s character (like an abused dog that still seeks out a hand, and once it has it, wants to gnaw on it to the bone) is but another aspect to the game that reinforces that you are controlling a pre-established character, and you are deciding how he deals with his flaws and fallacies.
What? Dude just figured out he was manipulated (cause she is charming as fuck) so that's why he's mad. But also Klasje is better at it than Harry, while Harry is a human can opener
@@talynhastime9343 I feel like I’m being gaslight here because a lot of men don’t one up to the first woman they see dude, if anything they try to act cool A lot of emotional hurt men feel by women happens when a boyfriend/husband opens up about his feelings only for the person that they confined in (significant other) to mock or belittle him for it Spousal emotional abuse is real and common and trying to act like the victims of it are sexist is just…. God your comment is fucking upsetting
An interesting theory some (and Woolie) have presented is that *all* stats are compromised, including Volition. Volition is, as the game puts it, the will and determination to complete the case no matter what interference may come from within and without. It pops up not only when The Cop is about to succumb to temptations of drugs and suicide, but to keep The Cop on track when a line of questioning seems too tangental/boring or if a suspect is trying to misdirect The Cop during an interview with emotionally charged rhetoric. MINOR SPOILERS: Miss Disco Dancer is the antithesis to The Cop's Volition, misdirecting and derailing the investigation for DAYS while beguiling him and everyone else involved with her sensual, dramatic rhetoric. Volition says "I don't add flair" but it is quite clear that despite being one of if not the most level-headed of the stats, they *hate* Miss Disco Dancer for interfering with the investigation, the thing Volition cares about more than anything. This being the case, Volition overcorrects and assumes that Miss Disco Dancer *never* tells the truth throughout the rest of the interview, despite this assumption causing contradictions and further confusion if one is paying attention to the timeline of events of the case.
@@user-rb3yx1bf6g Maybe not guilty of this murder, but certainly of messing up with an investigation (and other international stuff). A lot of what SHE does makes this case be as troublesome as it is. Literally WHY? JUST TALK.
@@FlameHidden She does not trust that things won't be pinned on her, because nobody has the answers about what happened at this point, and she is (rightly) worried that if she's detained her past will catch up with her. So she ensures that everyone around her is as compromised as Harry is now and has them muddy the waters so that no blame can fall on her.
This is probably the single best moment in the game of the voices in your head directly interacting with one another. The developers have gone on record about how hard these moments were during development, but I wish there were more of them - they're all so good, this one in particular.
Ah yeah, Volition showing why it is king. Woolie is correct in suspecting that Volition could be compromised too, because it is, just not in the same way as the others. After this check Volition gets super defensive against Miss Disco Dancer, and never believes ANYTHING she says, constantly telling you to pressure her, no matter how far you go.
======== SPOILERS BELOW ========== There's precious few things Klaasje doesn't lie to you about. Really the only thing I can think of was the bullet trajectory yarn, and even then that was only after she left... after lying about everything else.
Spoilers The other thing is, Kim *cannot* be compromised, and he doesn't detect much subterfuge coming from her, even though most of what she says are half-truths, he even comments on it. I think Klaasje lies, but not because she's secretly a criminal mastermind/spy, I think the story she tells you is SOMEWHAT true, which is why I think between arresting her and letting her go, the latter is way better than the former.
@@TheMrTangamandapio Spoilers Kim THINKS he can't be compromised, that is different. She uses a lot of half truths but neither you nor Kim detect her lies until you get evidence that proves she was lying. And letting her go is definitely the best choice, considering that Shivers tells you that she will be silenced in her cell. The core of what she says is true (she called the cops, she loved the victim, she isn't sure why he was shot, the hardies are involved in covering it up and she has a really bad past that she has to run from) but the details are full of lies, even after you confront her she just changes the lie she is telling.
Just something so enthralling about Klaasje's deathwish lifestyle but now re playing the whole scene and listening to her more closely you can really see all the holes in her persona start to poke through.
Easily on of the best parts of the game. The writing was already super good, but then it takes a step back and shows you the picture can get even larger. Characters having super strong stats, compared to you, is a super cool idea
I still dont understand why woolie would put his skillpoint in BEFORE a white check. Instead of rolling the check and then using the point to reset it if it fails.
I like Woolie’s car theory, that never even occurred to me at this point in the story but it probably should’ve, considering it was the sole access point to the crime scene.
@@ragnar3434 Composure stops damage from getting to you, though, those don't. I am also just completely joking about for the sake of fun here, too. If we're trying to find proper parallels, we probably have to go D&D. Volition is probably wisdom saves and composure, charisma saves, I'd guess.
I know schizophrenia is no joke, but this game kind of makes me wish my brain would advise me the way it advises Harry. God knows my 20's self could've used some interventions...
I don't think the character is schizophrenic, but just mentally unstable. I've a similar thought pattern (which is what made me love this game). before anyone says I should get checked, again it's not schizophrenia. I went to a therapist and it's just a thought pattern my brain acquired growing up to respond and think lucidly and quick during stressful or traumatic situations. it's basically weaponized anxiety and OCD. since I hadn't the knowledge or skills to understand anxiety or OCD as a kid I adapted to them.
Your brain does do this, it's just that Harry is so broken and mentally unstable due to alcohol abuse that his thoughts are fragmented instead of being a cohesive whole. So Harry hears these "voices" instead of simply knowing or thinking these thoughts.
I love that the attorney thinks that you can just erase what your client says by saying "for the record". Looks like this yokel needs to go back to law school.
Authority, composure, EDC, empathy, volition and logic, way up there. Very low visual calculus and perception (shit eyesight, most of the reason he needs you for the early game), low inland empire and hand-eye coordination too.
Klaasje is such an insanely good liar. She fooled me every step of the way. Even when I knew she was a liar, she STILL fooled me at the very last moment
It's cause she's not ALWAYS lying. It's just whenever she does tell the truth, she covers it with lies trying to obfuscate things. So you wind up overshooting and assuming the original truthful thing she said is also a lie. Also she was basically trained to be a liar. It's like if an International spy had to put up with a beat cop with barely 1/10th the training.
I remember when I was Compromised, Its a weird felling, not a good one, just when you think you're in control of yourself and your emotions, BAM You catch feelings and start writing off life long friends because DAT ASS said too.
I'm sorry to hear that. Must have been quite an ass. I was in that situation once and said "nah I'm good". Now she's a car salesman and I still have my friend.
Half light isn't responsible for drug talk, its your survival instinct. Or as Dennis would put it in this context "but the implication." Also, the not-quite-a-hardie-boy is the one with the worn sole, not the woman or child because we've already identified that person in Shanks (the really small really loud yes man to Tidus) ALSO also, you don't need to lose points with Kim if you never press her for details pre blackout with Kim around. You could just wait till he's gone and then ask her, the tasks only exists to remind you. If you practice a little tact the game gives you the info without pissing off your partner for wasting daylight on personal bullshit, so not at ALL a worthy trade, kim points for an in game sticky note.
Seriously spoilers people, it will ruin your experience with this masterpiece. I assumed this on my second playthrough. Such attention to detail, gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
@@isaacbruner65 It is not only required after the tribunal (and becomes impossible to fail at that point) it is also ONLY POSSIBLE after the tribunal. Success in the check before that just leaves you with incomplete information, since you dismiss a shooting angle from that far as irrelevant.
I mean, consider how long they take to finish at least one in-game day and consider how much of that unrealistic but close enough map they still have to explore, not even considering the possible "Joyce-sized" encounters they might run into... yeah, it's a lot.
I knew she was dodgy so much was pointing it out the fact everything about her was off and she has a highly expensive satellite on the roof it's odd and she keeps misdirecting you over and over plus she won't let us see a passport I just couldn't believe her in my time playing 🙊
@bradleypeate3266 the whole city used to be a posh area, but has fallen on Har times. The hostel was part of the business building adjacent to it, and they had a complex radiocomputer company there at one point
Something I just thought of that logic should probably be the one to catch. She says she doesn't know what she's doing when it comes to clipping the phone line, but I feel like the fact that she knew that clipping part of it would muffle her voice kind of implies she actually had an idea of what she was doing ans the way she also talks about it? Don't worry I know the spoilers of who she is but I feel like your logic should have caught that inconsistency
Logic is compromised hard with her, like there is an obvious thing none of your abilities catch on that's either because the culprit can't be any of your choices or your brain already made his mind on who is the culprit
