My sentiments exactly...he as not appetizing at all!!!! The ppl zuma surround himself with!!!! He is going to lose all the time. JJ just at him for breakfast lunch and supper on that talk!!! Im happy we hv ppl like JJ Ntabane👏And JJ still had sympathy for the old man, he showed his humanity! Wow!👏
Just to be clear. Jacob Zuma was arrested for being in contempt of the court. What this guy is arguing here has nothing to do with him going to jail. He should have gone to the commission to discuss this there. When you are summoned by the courts, you go. If you don't, you are in contempt and a warrant of arrest is issued. Even for a traffic ticket. I know, I have had a few. What is this guy talking about?
Erosion of his rights?? What about the rights of this country. Please don't call this Apartheid law! Those who have exploited funds need to pay back forbear the consequences. Those who close their eyes to the truth may themselves have something to hide. Now I await the Gupta sentencing! They were used to do what Zuma wanted. Think of where this country is now. With all the money going into the pockets of people who received a an exorbitant salary!!! It's our rights as tax payers to demand tax money is returned by exploiters.
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 Well nobody will tell me not to watch it or watch it. I think I should continue watching it, so that I will see all black hypocrisy.
This Mzwanele Manyi is busy with stomach politics. He can see that the ship has finally sunk. He is the emotional one not Dr JJ Tabane. I like how JJ showed him flames.
Sorry, it is the Constitutional Court that made the order. You do not understand the law but it is clear. I believe Zuma could have had better legal advice throughout
Some people do not understand why people are angry. 😳 Don't let your hatred mislead you. Injustice is the problem here... These judges will run to Exile when things get worse.
Manyi is crying and can't help himself...if Zondo went to any other lower court it would have served Zuma's strategy of delaying and wasting time. It was good of Zondo to just go to where there will be no room to play a hide and seek. Zuma beaten in his own game for the first time, I am certain he is shocked. MZWANDILE is clutching on straws. I have said it over the whole weekend that Zuma should have just sent his sizes to correctional services for prison uniform instead of all the twisting and turning he was doing.
You clearly don't know the law, YOU DON'T SENTENCE A PERSON FOR CONTEMPT YOU CHARGE HIM FIRST THEN YOU TAKE HIM THROUGH A TRIAL, SECONDLY YOU DON'T BREAK THE LAW TO DEAL WITH A PERSON, YOU FOLLOW THE LAW THE LAW, THAT IS WHY MOGOENGMOGOENG AND JUSTICE JAFTER SAID THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, accept the truth.
@@emmanuelmochemoche142 have you looked at all the facts, all the arguments, read the actual judgement with comprehension? I doubt it, i think youre just another foaming-at-the-mouth zuma keyboard warrior, here to spew nonsense spewed by his masters that continaully abuse you with their actions and utterances.
@@antonvanschalkwyk2570 you can insult me as much you like, but the RSA law does not allow sentencing without trial, On what basis did chief justice and justice jafta say the rulling is unconstitutional?????????? THE SENTENCING WAS UNCONDITIONAL, PERIOD. I am not talking about the contents of the judgment in talking about the law, the constitution is supreme not the judges.
Zuma has repeatedly said he wants his day in court to defend himself, but when he has a chance to state his case eg at Zondo commission, he runs away. We can’t believe anything Zuma says, it’s all lies, obfuscation and dodging.
Zuma never ran away from appearing to Zondo commission. He was ready to go to appear. But he felt that Raymond Zondo was not the suitable person to question him in the Commission because they had their personal issues. Zondo would be biased. But Raymond Zondo refused to recuse himself , why ? Why didnt he give the public benefit of the doubt to agree to recuse himself to see if Zuma wouldnt appear ? It was not about Raymond Zondo and his ego or status. It was about the public getting information from Zuma during the interrogation. Zondo was wrong and he would never be forgiven to have refused to recuse himself. Zuma's crime was to ask for Raymond Zondo to release himself as a Chair person.
Well done for putting Manyi in his Place. Never forget Zuma thought his buddy the corrupt Vincent Smith was going to be the commission leader. This spin doctor is a joke, remember his failed media attempt to cover for Zuma? Zuma could have avoided this very easily, his lawyers were clearly out of depth and playing activists.
We need more people like JJ Tabane who look at and analyze matters objectively. Sending a former president to prison, in his old age, is sad and not a proud moment. However, this shows that no one above the law of the land.
Mzwanele is doing great job. JJ is really emotional he had no proper come back from the facts provided by Mr Manyi. There was no justice in this arrest.
The old man was afforded so many times to.appear to the Zondo Commision . I love what Malema said that wheater the commission was unfair or not that did not stop him to honour the invitation and raise his issues sharply and robust What stopped him to act as a leader Let him go and jailed ,he denied himself that fair process
What Mr Manyi does not understand is that, Contemp of Court is a default judgment, no trial is needed, because the individual who does not choose to appear in court, denies himself a trial and therefore chooses himself to be incarcerated. He keeps on saying Zuma has gone to jail without being tried, it was Zuma's own choice. And a Contempt of Court judgment is available to all courts, not only criminal courts.
Very good well said u have spoken well. These people should know their Law .There’s no trial in comtemp. Zuma is sentenced for not obeying the court order. That’s why he is inside please
Zuma doesn't fear 15 months in jail for contempt. He fears being taken back to Zondo to have to answer embarrassing questions about his conduct, which will hurt him politically.
Sadly the sellout Ramaphosa is executing the orders of his colonial masters. Zuma is going to jail and the murderer D'Clerk is walking freely. I guess we don't value the lives of those Africans D'Clerk destroyed
I respect JJ . Well expressed and truth nailed. History is made. There is ALWAYS the first time. Certain thimgs are bound to happen for the first time. We had Democracy for the first at its inception but people talk about apartheid quite often to defend themselves. People who have to narture and protect our Democracy create visible loopholes without remorse.
Zuma is guilty of corruption, but I think he is pleading the 5th Amendment and refusing to incriminate himself at the commission. Legally aside whether he is guilty or not, the legal process wasn’t followed through.
Arg shame, let's cry, the poor old man who gave the country's resources to Guptas has been arrested. Our country will soon go back to over crowded classrooms as a normal situation. When money has disappeared.
We will never hear Zuma side at the Commission because of people like JJ and Zondo. Putting an old man in jail without trial. We can't celebrate that nonsense. What was so special with Zondo. If the work of the Commission was so important, why didn't he recuse himself. Unless his masters told him to be the only one. Shame on Zondo.
Nelson Mandela was sentenced to live imprisonment by the apartheid courts? Was that justice? Why did De Klerk open dialogue with him when what they did to him was constitutional? Zuma was a victim of his revolutionary arrogance, If 300 witnesses implicated him, why did NPA charge him and place him before a criminal court? if he chose to exercise his right to silence, The court would make its own inference in its deliberations. Zuma is a victim of Black justice based on its inability to mask their egos. He will be released sooner than later.
Stop noting that Jacob Zuma is being jailed without trial, he has had a trial which HE choose NOT to attend. You are being incredibly dishonest. Jacob Zuma avoided his trail and thus got sent to prison. He created this situation himself.
Thank you! Not only is it dishonest, its irresponsible to twist facts into lies, and spread it in the media. Not arresting Zuma would've set a terrible precedent for any court house in the nation.
What is a trial according to you? Stop embarassing yourself. Just listen to submissions made by Mpofu and the amicus earlier today to understand these things.
Zuma is not scared of jail he is only scared to stand trial because he knows he is guilty... We can solve this easily just let him stand trial and stop making excuses
@@sonnyboyfrancenthwane5919 How many more time do you want people to ask him to come stand trial?because Zondo wrote over 20 letters begging Zuma to come stand trial
If that is the case why not stand the trial as quickly as possible so he can go to jail as soon as possible because at least he is not scared of going to jail
Who is Jimmy Manye?? He is a nobody! He is not trained in law to express the comments. He is talking absolute nonsense. Refer to the ConCourt Advocate. He was really excellent . Crisp , principled legal . JJ Thabane is being kind to Manye in his comments.
Neh, Zuma just taught he is a big man and above the law lik most other african leaders.. Blaming bad advise is no defense .. JJ is right, this way the only way zuma was goin to jail, as his strategy was to appeal and stall cases until he dies.. the only mistake his lawyer made was actually telling Zondo and treatening zondo that they will appeal forever, so zondo said, ok, let me go straight to the apex court then
Guys listening is art failing to listen you end up creating things that are not. If you listening to Mzwanele you wounding saying things that you are saying
But that does not mean he must be sentenced without a trial, judges was suppose to use the law to deal with him, not for judges to break the law to deal with him, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHARGED FOR CONTEMPT, NOT SENTENCED,
at the end of the day- Mr. Mzwanele must put food on the table to feed his family. So thing new or holding waters in what is saying. Also, one has to be civil, respect your Dr.JJ and control emotions. After all, life must continue after former president JZ is in custody. History has been made and this will be part of textbooks. CONCOURT you have made SA on the African Map as well the World. Surely African countries can handle judiciary matters locally.
It is very painful for the masses. I can understand why you would celebrate seeing a 79yr old man who did not kill anyone go to jail in the middle of a pandemic. Says a lot about you.
Mr Zuma please go and testify- this could have been avoided. Maybe poor legal advise. I feel for him truly. (Although I know he would not ever feel sorry for an old white woman like me). May God help you.
Then what you, as a person are you going to gain from Zuma arrest ? Is it going to pay your bills ? Why do you delights on other people's misery ? Would you say the same if Zuma was your own father ? Your attitude is so bad.
@@lindammakgoshimanamela4650 Our fathers didn't bleed a country dry and left people struggling to survive. He had no sympathy for the people he stole from so he doesn't deserve sympathy from anyone
Jacob had a chance to defend himself on multiple occasions and chose not to do so, now he wants to come and say he is sentenced without trial. Thats Bull honestly.
Spokesperson zuma is jailed for contempt of court...he should hv handed himself Sunday already...with no drama but chose to do this! Contempt of court bhuti!!!!
Who believes that Mzwanele read all this books behind him? I think they are his kids books
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Those are probably the complete works of Lenin, Karl Marx and Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels . In other words, socialist drab. Manyi panicking because his source of money vanishing.
JJ!!! 💣💣💣 O e feditse kgang! It's actually just the gall for me. The gall of Zuma and his people thinking they can trample on democracy and get away with it. Mzwanele sir, tsa mo robala, tsela e sale telle!!!
What is Zuma spokesperson talking about. No one is talking about modal authority here. We talking about legal authority in a constitutional democracy. A democracy founded upon moral values so indirectly those who have legal authority also possess moral authority as they represent the knowledge base of the community mores
@@ngcebombuyane4413 legal authority is legal authority no matter which way you slice it. It doesn't favor anyone except the person who is right. Formulate your arguments better in future or more precisely if you want to be taken seriously.
@@sashennaidoo27 You should formulate your arguments better. Y’all quote bits and pieces of information which will favor your propaganda statements. You know little of the Law and how it works but here talking as if you knew what transpired. You never talk about how the Constitutional Court judges bent over to satisfy their masters in making unconstitutional decisions
