Dishonored - The Worst Stealth Game You'll Ever Love 

Nah you just had a 52 minute bruh moment

you were wrong about almost everything you said bro

Jokes aside the video was very enjoyable to watch, you put alot of soul into it and I loved that. Don't beat yourself over it too much

@@NarsMcain agree. Very well done. Only think I kinda dislike is the random desperate attempts to tell jokes, they just always fall flat and interrupt flow. I feel there are far less in this video however and I really enjoyed longer periods of focusing on explaining a point. Feels more confident.

The awareness levels kinda work like this, In the mind of a dumb guard: 1. Confused/ Curious at sound or glimpse of something.... Nah, probably just a rat. 2. Suspicious maybe someone is around...maybe I'll look around the corner but I'm probably crazy. 3. Convinced enemy is nearby but unsure where...better make a thorough search and get ready....but after a minute I didn't find anyone so I'll just return to post, must be going crazy or I scared them away. edit: unless i found body or continuing evidence of intruder...i'll keep looking and alert others to be aware. still unsure of player location and technically still unbroken stealth status. 4/ Red/ Broken : KNOWS enemy is near and knows location. Alert everyone else. Sees everything and has telepathic communication with allies and satellite uplink to locate intruder instantly. Rush

The fact that this guy still enjoyed the game while basically going in new on one of the most frustrating challenge runs possible, is a testament to what a fucking masterpiece this game is

​@@36shadowboy also tried to use sleep darts into armor, i mean yeah this is what the masks for.

@@36shadowboy it’s really not that challenging. It’s way more difficult in dishonoured 2 and it was still easy.

He also didn’t realize you could upgrade sleep darts to be able take out alerted guards/npcs

Never doubt it.

Indeed, I believe so.

Blow off, choffer.

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@@dansmusicplaylists198 Do you want to go out for cigars tonight?

This is not a game this the reanimated corpse of M&M Messiah. WITHOUT KICKING.

based frogposter

Every game becomes an old game

@@justletmelistthese really!! Imagine dark messiah gameplay with this game world building. 😲

I have a feeling Strat is just gonna stare at his monitor and start weeping when he realizes this. How do I know? Because I wanted to after learning this, I used to think it worked the way he did lol

Yep

@@RatboyW yep

@@RatboyW I was the same, did three full ghost play throughs before I realised

Also, not to rag on Strat-Edgy since I love his stuff, but I saw him complain that music box Overseer's 'Hitbox is bullshit' while shooting him in the front It is mentioned in notes found in game that you can't one-shot-headshot Overseers from the front, their masks block the shots. It's the same with the music-box man, except he's virtually immune from the front, even from your sword because of the big piece of machinery on the front. You can also see your shots sparking off, and making loud audio-cues in game that it's bounced off and not 'sunk-in' so to speak tldr: Shoot Maskman and Musicman in the back

it's designed to look like a wheellock but there is no dog/clamp with the iron pyrite and it fires a self-contained cartridge. it looks more like a striker fired pistol to me, where a striker in the gun hits the whale oil in the cartridge which acts both as primer and propellant. idk whether it's muzzle or breechloading but considering how fast the gun is reloaded then it's probably breechloading (+ the upgraded version of the pistol makes it belt-fed so it's probably breechloading for that to work). also probably the default version is unrifled because it's pretty inaccurate but it can be upgraded to rifled since the upgraded version is pretty accurate.

@@comradeotaku how did u learn about guns

@@PoorEdward i have a pretty surface level understanding thanks to watching videos and reading various online articles. i wouldn't say i'm an expert but i know far more than your average non-gun owner.

another thing that makes it not a flintlock is it fires bullets not balls

@@kktyr4580 Ever heard of the minieball?

holy shit really?? ive played this game to death and NEVER had that happen to me

@@surelylune that little whisper sound in game that happens on every Blink, is audible to enemies, yes. Technically it’s possible to pull that Bone charm on the first real mission and forget about the sound of blink

@@opinionpaladin6007 I'm pretty sure the teleport "whoosh" itself makes some noise as well. I've blinked past enemies from a distance and had them turn around to investigate a noise they've heard directly behind themselves, rather than at the origin point of the blink where the whisper would have come from. You have to be passing them _really_ close though, like inches away.

i always tought that enemies hear the same "wosh" that i can hear from Daud's Assasins

What bone charm iv never had this issue after a few hundred hours ?

He has reviewed Prey :)

Weren't the ending cutscenes like that too?

i also want prey next

@@Randomness65535 Eh, he's talked about it but we haven't gotten a video like this on Prey. But yes Strat plz Prey omg

Which Prey though?

I've been on my first playthrough of Dishonored for about 7 years now. For whatever reason I will play a little and then take a break, forget about it and then something like this video reminds me and a little voice chirps up in my brain, "Hey go finish the game asshole."

@@michiganjack1337 Same bro lol I just can't seem to complete the game, even tho I find it interesting. It just fails to hold my focus

Go touch grass then I guess

@@user4n55 im like this with dishonored 2. For some reason i cannot manage to pull through in finishing it. While the first dishonored ive done plenty playthroughs without losing focus

i just did my fifth playthrough and while 2 hours is a total exaggeration, i did a collect everything playthrough and it only took 6 or so hours. i think i missed a single painting in the flooded district but thats my least favorite part of the game so whatev

Maybe they were just about to turn left/right or he played on a higher difficulty where guards are more cautious

@@PancakemonsterFO4 i don't think Its the difficulty I'm Not even Sure If the difficulty actually does make the guards more suspicious If so i absolutely didnt notice anything changing

@@shitfacejohnson4085 i listened again, my best bet is he wasn't in sneak mode while zooming so they heard him immediately since he said that he couldn't choke them and that it got better with the sneaky boot upgrade

Because they don't. In the clip that he shows the guard is just on full alert and looking around, he wasn't detected, the guard wasn't even gonna turn his head.

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I use to like this guys videos. The more I watch him the more I realize he's pretty bad at games and understanding mechanics.

he's right about the scripted invulnerability of the guards in combat tho. very annoying and also exists in dishonored 2 in a different way, with undodgeable and unblockable attacks that cannot be interrupted.

@@ozythewise7411 I loved his videos they were artful and well done now they’re trashy and boring

@@nuklearboysymbiote which attacks in d2 you can't block?

@@masinmorswin8578 when the veterans turn around and attack, I'm pretty sure even if you back off and block where their sword is you still take damage. Also you can't do anything about any incoming attacks when you're in the middle of a climbing or knockout or assassination animation. veterans also dodge slide takedowns

Yupp, the only ammo type i spent money at so i could always start with a full supply. At this point i had no idea wich rune abilities become important when so i often had to rely on sleep darts to get out of a pickle. Thankfully the DLCs added narcmines, chokedust and summon asassin I never got use out if bottles tho, i tried to use them to bait patrolling guards into an ambush but they never gave a damn and explosive bottles alert the entire base

@@StratEdgyProductions this is a funnier outcome, and typical of a strat edgy run. Accidental ultra hard mode

Sleep darts saved my skin many a times, so much so I always restocked

Combat sleep darts are great for if you are not doing any stealth and just running circles around enemies with out killing them.

@@RaccoonRecluse even then, sleep darts with no stealth still work, just not instantly althrough it might be long enough for them to shoot each other ruining your no kill run

Sounds about right

So anyway i started shooting... (Althrough time stop, sleep darts and quickly zooming on the rooftops might get rid of the crowd as well. With a siren nearby its gg)

That’s me trying stealth in wolfenstein no joke I’ve only done stealth properly twice

@@ljspencer3 wait, can you stealth in that game?

@@Pilot067 pretty much my thinking

I think the first level made me super cautious and whenever I saw three bolts I assumed it was stealth breaking. So, I guess I made the game even harder on myself.

@@StratEdgyProductions It's crazy how you could make a 50 min video without getting the basics of how the game works. 20:40 the guard doesn't know where you are, he just knows that someone is hiding somewhere, so of course the guard won't rush to your position. So all your rant about sleep dart is really misplaced, they work as intended. When a guard sees another one getting shot, he becomes suspicious and start to look for the shooter. The guards are not "able to do visual calculus on par with that guy from a beautiful mind", they just find you because on most of the clips you show, you stay out in the open after shooting one dart (like 17:45 you're just standing on top of a rooftop in front of a guy, so when they're suspicious now he looks up, of course he's gonna see you, it's not rocket science). And all your rant about crouching feels the same. You have the position of the blade, and the icon on the bottom left of the screen. What else do you want?

@@StratEdgyProductions 3 marks is: i better inspect this- mode. If a guard sees one of his collegues collapse for example or you stand to long in their field of view (depends on difficulty) they will absolutely rush towards you so unless you flee to the roofs with zoom you will get caught immediately as soon as you cross them even for a second

@@PancakemonsterFO4 Sometimes the audio and visual elements are somewhat misleading though and you can have them detect you while only showing two exclamation points. The key indicator for being detected isn't the audio or even the exclamation marks, its the box over their head displaying red for at least a moment. I can see why it is confusing and I didn't even know that last part before testing it today.

@@DeansDiscourse when the bolts scatter in red its over, they start combat and alert all their buddies in the area. You can now either fight them, epically escape or start sleep darting everyone. Time Stop lv2 still allows for chokes even in full alert. Also changing the Area won't stop them, they will enter with you if they are close Sound Cue is at two bolts. You can still hide or attempt a last second bolt shot unless you are very close by. Usually they stare for a while in the direction then continue with their patrols. Three bolts is the chase and search (they never look up so better hide by zooming up)

Its more of a rookie mistake, althrough the guards looking for your hiding place may give the appearance that you already got caught

I love arkane but this tell is just not clear enough.

@@aver155 I personally always thought it was quite clear, but yes, it's possible it's never mentioned explicitly. On the other side, how much time would it have taken for Strat to have looked this up if he had any doubts about this?

@@robinmattheussen2395 If you have to look online for an explanation to something as simple and basic in a stealth game as "how visible am I?" then you are looking at a stealth game that has failed in one of the most key areas of design for the whole genre, player feedback. A good way to look at stealth games is as a series of puzzles, they typically tend to be more based on observation and problem solving skills than twitch reflexes and improvisation. In both puzzles and stealth games a very important feature is the degree of knowledge the player has about the environment, the actors within it and themselves, from that they can plan a solution out and then try to execute it as best as possible (this probably also explains why a lot of fans of old school stealth games have a rather perfectionist attitude regarding stealth), the more ambiguity and unknowns you throw into a situation the more you take it from a planning and execution challenge to one of improvisation at best and trial and error at worst. Now a focus on improvisation works fine in an action game (which is helped here by several of DH's options being very action oriented) but it also probably goes to explain why Strat (and likely a lot of fans of games like Thief) weren't too fond of Dishonored and got frustrated with it easily, not helped by a lot of the press surrounding the games launch proclaiming it to be a spiritual successor to Thief when it is a very different type of game overall.

also there is LITERALLY a stance icon on the bottom left side of the screen that shows if you're crouching or not, review feels rushed

Yeah absolutely. The review itself is bad just cause he didn't know what he was doing. He just needs to give it another go.

Unfortunate because Death Of The Outsider is the worst Dishonored

That's what he does. He takes a game that is considered popular, shits on it, has a laugh, then moves onto the next. I don't know if he's serious or not, but his takes on a good portion of his other videos are not the most reasonable in my opinion.

@@tachankathechub4727 I'm still playing through it, what makes it the worst one to you?

@@RaidsEpicly It is a lot more linear than the first two , and the powers aren’t as satisfying

well kinda but One bolt: Will turn head but continues patrol Two bolt: Stops to look over Three bolts: Actively seeking you out Red bolts: Actively chasing you down/beating your ass cheeks like a Cherokee drum

Many games don't detect light and dark. Check out the credits of this video. I show our system in my game of how we are detecting light values. It's an easy solution but I think at scale, in some of these AAA games, it tends to slow up shit, and doing rays from a directional (GI) light source is probably super inaccurate and CPU intense.

You should play the original thief games. It does stealth perfectly.

@@zak4683 i own a couple of them, and I've played a bit of thief gold, but I haven't really gone back to it yet. But yeah, it does to stealth pretty well.

I loved the Metro games for detecting light and dark. In fact, it felt a lot more consistent than in Splinter Cell Blacklist. Fuck that game. Blacklist was painfully inconsistent, and the flaring lights on his back were misleading. Conviction made it clear that every time the black & white filter appeared, you were undeniably invisible to enemies. But Blacklist? Enemies can still see you in the dark even though the flaring lights told you you're invisible.

@@zak4683 I want to chill out and play stealth games, but instead have to go out and take scores. The landlord is pretty vicious lol

Well there was the hide tutorial with Emily and those mini tutorials with one image and a bunch of text wich is basically the short description for the skill/mechanic. It really borders to “figure it out yourself“

Maybe he is thinking of the second game, which does include those? But at the end there it sounded like he hadn't played d2 yet.

Loading screens with tips

i dont know if they were supposed to be cutscenes, but i remember seeing them as promotional material

He’s talking about Tales From Dunwall, the 2d cinematic

yeah

May as well think that as some praise for Invisible War. I happen to really like the game, good to see someone else does too. Jank, and all. Had a unique main character, globe trotting locations, unique skills... I like all the games in the series to a degree, but I rank IW above MD even though MD is more fun (to play, moment to moment). I like Jensen but he doesn't need two or more games. It's almost all in Prague (wonderfully realized, tbh), and half the skills are carry overs. Great game, sure. But IW is more a DX game to me.

@@simondaniel4028 IW was the first Immersive Sim I ever played, so despite its flaws, as a child, I *completely* filled my OG Xbox's hard drive with different character builds. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but looking back, that was where my love of ImSims was born (though for several years, I called them 'water cooler games' for lack of a better term). My favorite was the Poltergeist (use Walk Silent, Cloaking, and Enhanced Strength. kill everyone by running around invisibly and yeeting barrels and crates at them) I still haven't gotten around to MD, though. HR's endgame left me feeling bitter (like WTF, it's just four buttons that play stock footage and a monologue from Jensen that communicates the themes with all the subtlety of a brick to the nutsack) and even though I still liked him as a character, having him as the protagonist of MD meant that is story could only either exceed and diminish the previous one, or pale in comparison.

Its design still doesn't support that gameplay style very well imo

@@Ashamedofmypast Sure it does. There's powers that dispose of bodies for you.

@@paradocks23 and don't forget, you can just throw bodies into any swarm of rats.

@@paradocks23 one of the must have skills for a undetected low chaos run, unless of course you want to go for the clean hands achievment then DON'T DEAL WITH GRANNY RAGS

@@PancakemonsterFO4 free upgrades bois, but yeah I don't go that clean

@Ghost God if I keep my eyes closed it feels the same nonetheless

@Ghost God he never said what kind of goblin, he only used the general term. Could be disgusting monstrous goblins, or could be shortstack horni goblins

It's vital, remember. You'll shrivel and die without it

@@legion999 That just improves the situation, tbh.

@Ghost God sexual appeal is different for everyone. some folk want a slimy goblin draining them terribly

Glad you're still doing well and are at least well enough to make your awesome video essays. :)

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Perhaps, but if things go to hell and you’re forced to kill you can easily wind up with high chaos. You can even find yourself with high chaos at the end of the first level when you really don’t even know how to play the game yet. That’s a failure of design to me.

@@bizmonkey007or it makes you learn the stealth and or how to escape better or replay the game for different play styles and getting better

​@@bizmonkey007 or it forces you to see what the full extent of your abilities and options are , like as long as your out of eye sight you can easily find a hiding place , preferably high up as npcs rarely look up unless Alerted to someone or thing being up there other hiding places work best when guards are just suspicious or wondering, not to mention there are a few 'safe zones' npcs cant normally get to which you can use to bide your time and plan your way around to more alert area

Also there is literally a silhouette of you crouching in the bottom left corner when you crouch. You have to be really oblivious to get confused by this.

And if you look at the comments, a lot of people thought the same thing. I may be wrong, but the UX in this game isn't getting any better because I am wrong.

@@StratEdgyProductions absolutely you are right, i definitely hadn't considered UX design in a long time because i've run through the game so many times i know its ins and outs, its definitely all understandable confusion, and almost laughable, as anyone whos played the game has shared that confusion, and looked up what exactly counts as a detection, especially considering detections don't even count with certain enemy types, like dogs and river krusts. What i think deserves mention is the prison level also tutorializes these AI states in a subtle way. You have an easier time sneaking through the courtyard while the guards are talking because when guards are in conversation, they are even less aware than normal patrolling enemies, as they're focusing on a conversation. but anyway, thanks for the response.

A lot of his issues seem to stem from not understanding the fundamental mechanics of the game. For example, he seems to think that stealth is broken whenever the piano sound plays, when it really just means you've been detected to some degree. In addition, all the issues he had getting the game to run can't all be the game's fault. It might be anecdotal but I've played this game both on a laptop that really wasn't designed to play games and a purpose built gaming PC (not to mention console but that's not really relevant here) and didn't run into anything even approaching half the amount of issues he had. Every game has it's optimization issues that need to be worked out on the first boot, but this was suspiciously excessive. Sounds like he's got too many other background programs running, or maybe it was outdated drivers, or maybe some of those background programs have hotkeys that he keeps hitting while playing... either way it seems like his issue of "if a game has problems, I get all of em" might have more to do with something he's done than an oversight by the developers.

@@mysticwizard1943 I've had zero issues with Dishonored 1 on a bunch of machines (unlike D2, which wasn't very well optimized IMO), but I don't wan't to suggest he's exaggerating or anything. It's just weird that he had a BUNCH of these issues all together.

@@robinmattheussen2395 By saying it was suspicious i dont mean to say he's exaggerating, but pretty much that its suspiciously weird. Like they seem to be issues with what he's doing on his end or how he has his system configured that are causing the problems.

He doesn't care, skip it.

@@pickledblowfish6178 ok but he still posted it and being up for 26 hours is a great idea

Good for you

good for you

It's steam summer sale. Buy it yourself

It's on Gamepass if you have it too!

It is an underrated game. Even the DLC was excellent. Mooncrash? Almost as good as the main game. In fact a superior SIM experience imo.

@@ameliaward7429 my favourite element of the game was seeineveryone dead, finding a sec console, seeing those who are left and working out the mysteries of those who died and those who still lived.

It's kinda weird when you watch a video break down the game mechanics in Dishonored 2, they made the chaos system worse but I think the powers are better

AC stopped being good after brotherhood

come on man. AC 3 had a better lead character, better story and in my opinion better gameplay. i get its a thing to rag on AC 3 but come on it 100% deserved game of the year

@@legion999 thats odd. Ac only started getting good at brotherhood

@@SharkSprayYTP better gameplay bahahahahaha

I think they did unless I am mistaken

@@WCRyder I meant significantly, like in Thief or Splinter Cell. The way it was done, shadow makes a marginal difference in avoiding getting spotted at a distance.

i have to piggyback here. Prey is a different game entirely, but has similar elements. Its SO GOOD. 10/10 highly recommend will sub to your channel and turn notifications on if you give prey another go. I remember an old video you did about it. Time to revisit :)

"They only raise awareness" Which causes choke to get disabled and the enemy to turn around and see you. Eh? Eh?

@@StratEdgyProductions Nah mate, choke is not disabled untill you are detected, and the guards don't turn around if you are not making any noise behind them. I understand your pain though, because sometimes the game takes a moment to register that you're behind a guard, and the choke won't work until the icon for it appears. Been there, know what it feels like.

@@StratEdgyProductions How u gonna make a 52 minute video and get so much wrong, and then try say others are wrong about what theyre so clearly right about?

A really prominent spot comes to my mind when you try to break into dunwall tower, go over the pavillion where one of the guards has a affair with a maid and if you take too long the maid will catch you as you try to loot the guard shack

Ghosting with powers is laughably easy. Ghosting with Daud's blink is almost cheating tbh

Man ghosting is super easy in this game, especially since you can ease through the game with just Blink 2, Time Stop, Dark Vis 1 and Agility 1.

@@gunswinger3110 agreed, lots of people just never realize how much you can abuse your powers

@@gunswinger3110 Honestly, the moment you realized you have more than enough mana refills and stop conserving them too much, you become god

Also, agree that the soundtrack song in the end was jarring. One thing I missed in the original Dishonored game was a voice for the protagonist (And while I love Stephen Russels voice, casting him for Corvo was a misstep because it was a reminded of Thief). Also, Prey. Yes, please. Only played it recently but really loved that game. Awesome stuff.

Can't bring myself to play the latest too long and I still haven't beaten the 2nd mission. Yet I love these games

@@kersaherpafuqer784 its so good!! play it brother

Dishonored 2 is the best one in my opinion, as you said the level design is phenomenal and I feel that they fixed many gameplay issues from the first one, some people complain about corvos voice act but I personally loved it, I felt as though it added more depth to his character and really made me care about his story more. The travel journal addition was a great idea as well, having better insight into your characters thought processes and emotions based on the actions you made, so many of these small details made the world feel so much more alive and I love how much implied influence your decisions have

@@HadezRaps adding branching abilities, or the stats screen that track your kills or detection (I hated flooded district in the first game because it was so long and so easy to get detected without knowing).

Death Of The Outsider is a game?

I thought I was the only one screaming at my screen too

Yeah I don't get what this dude's problem is. I didn't experience any of the issues he talks about, only one minor AI glitch in the lady Boyle mission

the combat in Dishonored feels really good, tho

I'm with you, DieWelt.

Fuck those other games. Play Prey. It deserves your time!

Prey Prey Prey!!!

Since* Sense is about your 5 senses.

@@StormCrownSr doesnt really matter as long as it gets the point across does it?

@@gigabytetech5509 It does matter; no one should be casual about being illiterate.

@@c.jarmstrong3111 no it genuinely doesn't matter. If I were trying to be proper sure, but it's the internet so it has little to no effect on my life then dealing with the people who feel the need to point out I spelt something wrong.

@@gigabytetech5509 And look what eloquent sentences you can put together when you actually give a shit. Have standards.

Same. I love the art style and atmosphere to death (pun intended). At the same time, because of the thick atmosphere, I couldn't play longer than maybe 2-3 hours I got kind of feeling down because of it. It is one of the most beautiful games ever. Especially in the DLCs. The light, the architecture, it all feels so beautifully nostalgic. Dishonoured 2 is even more beautiful to me. Never before I admired a ceiling lamp in a game for several minutes or enjoyed the atmosphere of a simple room and wished I could live in a flat like this, in a city like that.

Here I was about ready to proclaim it was a tack piano. I think you're probably right.

The only way to win is to not play.

HIYOOOOO! Nah, but seriously, I enjoyed this game a lot.

@@Spit1990 I was half joking. I borrowed a copy of the game from a friend and played it on PS3 around the time it came out. Not PC, hence my joke. I didn't get very far. It didn't interest me even though I love stealth games.

The screen also blackens at the bottom somewhat and the sword's position is the most obvious thing in the world. They could have written in plain text "YOU ARE CROUCHING" and strat would still be confused because he isn't low enough.

@@Malik-ig3ml also, not to shit on him too hard bc i like his content, but if the crouch made you walk slower it would aggressively suck to play

It's a trend in games that you can't sneak while standing up straight, mechanically this makes sense to purposely sneak instead of sneaking all the time. But its unrealistic to only be able to sneak while crouching. And in real life your thighs would get sore walking around like that. Even Breath of The Wild has a sneaking while crouching, it makes sense for hiding in bushses. But since dishonored is literally a stealth game it makes sense they put more attention into how sneaking works.

Sleeping bags in a tent on the bedroom floor

hey

haha exactly

I mean this games stealth is really shit to be fair.

@@KodiiViibes better than other action games stealth mechanics

I agree was fun, but for a stealth game, other games are better

@@zaddyzeeseburgnutz They don't advertise their Thief pedigree.

@@zaddyzeeseburgnutz yeah but this games main inspiration was thief the dark project and thief 2 the metal age, both of which have better stealth mechanics and more interesting gameplay imo