Disney and Sequels 

Frozen 3 Teaser: *Elsa puts on space helmet and flies into the sun

Frozen 5 Teaser: Literally just Elsa making a merch store and making billions of dollars

Frozen 6: olaf sees his entire family get murdered, continuing his villan arch.

Frozen 7: everyone freezes and it's completely over 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@bdbdbd774 Frozen 8: heat wave. Everyone’s back. But… Olaf 😟

It is all connected, in a way. The success of their films and streaming directly ties to developments in the parks. The parks have been so conservative with new additions lately because they're using its profits to prop up their other divisions. Universal is announcing a whole new ambitious, immersive park to eat Disney's lunch right off their plate, and Disney's biggest response they can muster is retheming Splash Mountain. That's all because they can't afford a bigger response because their films are flopping.

@@Vantastic789 And I oop-

@@Vantastic789 I cannot wait for Epic to open 🤯

I was confused too!

@@bdbdbd774 yeah I can't wait for more Universal rides to put me in the hospital during a trip.

Facts.

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@@GLJoshdamn that movie would do better than Wish😂

Wish did awful at the box office. He’ll soon see fans won’t be there no matter what

This is a really interesting insight into how marketing works behind the scenes; a lot of people aren't aware of the strange directions that are given by companies to their advertising and marketing teams based on what is and is not "doing well" according to their data and overall reception. Probably slightly unpopular opinion, but I don't hate the direction of the one-word titles since they're easier to remember and unique enough to stand out when compared to projects derived from stories within the public domain.

@@JustDuckDoinStuff True story: when they showed a preview reel of Frozen at D23, everyone had to surrender their cell phones at the door. One fan ran back from that screening to her hotel and recorded "Let it Go" word for word, note for note, from a single hearing. So we all thought, okay, this is how big this song is going to be. Everybody's going to be obsessed with Elsa. Then the directive came down that the star of the teaser campaign was gonna be Olaf and his detachable head. We were literally told "We don't want people to know this is a musical." In hindsight I think it was better to let people discover how great the songs were, but that was not intentional.

This was my very first thought. I experienced and noticed it as a consumer, but I'm so glad somebody who was actually involved on the production/marketing side said it.

Interesting. Why boys in particular for an obviously sister/princess centric film?

​@@Amazingtacomaniac It boiled down to two beliefs: 1) girls will go to Disney movies regardless but boys have to know there's something for them; 2) boys tend to buy more merch than girls. The success of Frozen actually helped challenge both assumptions.

Yah, that was such a weird way to phrase it

I guess Lightyear doesn't count.

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Light googling and I can’t find a source, but wouldn’t be surprising to announce anything to help with the stock/proxy battle seems to be the MO.

i don't think there's any source on them being unaware, but yes it was announced last year.

How could that possibly be the case, Jennifer Lee is the literal, actual CCO of Disney Animation.

@@atkinbp04 Knowing my luck, it was probably on some random Twitter post without a source.

This! I like Frozen 2 overall, prefer the songs to the original even, and love the art... however I have a few gripes with the story and feel like if they hadn't had to rush the film they could have made an amazing sequel. Watching the behind the scenes documentary was super enlightening. I have always felt like Moana could use a sequel, but with how quickly it is being pushed to theaters I am concerned for the story!

​@@rettathompson1222the worst part of frozen 2 is how Olaf hijacks it and tells unfunny jokes. He used to actually be funny in the first one but in 2 he just becomes the annoying comic relief sidekick

Frozen 2 had a lot of incredible deleted scene songs!

Ralph Breaks The Internet coincided with the departure of John Lasseter and his controversy. I would love to revisit the worldbuilding of Arcade Toy Story.

@@HeroicSheperdfunny how you can remove someone from the company they resurrected and he is never charged and no one knows what he actually did. 🤔

Zootopia would make an excellent series with the world building. It’s the only one that I’ve always wanted more from. Looking forward to the sequel, still. Maybe they’ll bring back the Spy ideas.

We’re gonna fall into another era of “Squishing nine pilots into a feature” movies again I can feel it

@@JumperTV33buddy cop series set in zootopia sounds AWESOME. There’s so much of the world they can expand on too!

My wife loves Cinderella 3. It's surprisingly not bad.

@@OffhandDisney It was one of my favorites growing up.

​@@OffhandDisney it's good because it goes bat shit insane by the end and the prince actually has a character compared to the original

I agree. I love that movie, and I think it's one of the best Disney sequels created.

Good sequels aren't rare, like ... at all. I would name them all, but I would probably die of natural causes before I finished.

And the irony here is that Disney is the one who innovated that medium before becoming partially responsible for making it obsolete.

The entire film industry right now is afraid to take risks. First, They know they cannot make up a bomb at the physical media sales, and a single title won't make up that lost revenue on streaming. Sequels and Franchises are going to reduce that risk, because namebrand can sell at the Box, and franchise binging can sell at the Stream. Second, Disney wants shovel media to fill their content void for their streaming service, similar to when they started the Disney Channel. Its no coincidence that the first sequel to Disney Animation (exception of Rescuers), was in the 90s when Disney had a need to fill timeslots on cable. Sequels are going to happen, if only because of Disney+, the hope is that they actually maintain quality in the world building the originals have (looking at you Ralph). Look at the 2023 top 10 Box Office hits, 1. Barbie (New Franchise starter), 2. Mario (Franchise), 3. Oppenheimer (only "risk" but still a part of the Nolan library), 4. Guardians (MCU franchise), 5. Fast X (franchise), 6. Spider-man (franchise), 7. Little Mermaid (Disney franchise), 8. Mission Impossible (franchise), 9. Elemental (Original, but Pixar library), 10, Antman (MCU Franchise). Even the Disney "Bombs" will sell on stream to the added namebrand library or franchise, and further can make up in merchandise of some sort. All of the recent news about endless sequels is further added from the recent pandemic which sent industries into a panic to mitigate risks and survive the global economic crash. Hopefully we'll see a renaissance in a few years in culture, stories, novelties, and the risks that those come with.

If you want to take risk you got to have enough money. Look what happened to Cinderella due to the film's they came before it where packaged films

it's not impossible to bring back 2D, they showcased it during their Disney 100 short. Funny enough plenty of overseas studios in Eurpoe and Asia still embrace 2D animated movies. So it is possible for Disney to embrace 2D again, I just feel they're playing it too safe. More risks are needed!

They took risks with Encanto

It's still a pointless sequel

@@Amp661 pfft fantasia a pointless sequel

@@samhainabyss well,yes it would be. Sequels don't really require any thought these days

@@Amp661 except for the fact that walt himself expressed how the concert feature was something he wanted to be a continuous work so your opinion on the matter is kinda irrelevant

@@samhainabyss except for the fact that Disney itself is a corporation, and wants to make only money. I dont think it did ANYTHING for Walts memory lately. Fantasia hasn't been doing so hot compared to the legions of other franchises that conquer the box office and gives Disney revenue. Times change, and Disney, frankly, doesn't give a shit about Walts vision. Look how they screwed up star wars and The Omen.

Okay but he should go with contacts.

@@OffhandDisney I don’t think his insurance can pay for them

Can’t wait for Frozen 5: Sven Has Overages On His Yearly Taxes

​@@anth636or Frozen 6: The Search For More Money

@@anth636 Frozen six: we ran out of ideas

Which is why Disney shouldn't have shareholders. Nobody should and when I take over Disney I won't be CEO but Owner the way sports teams have owners. Disney will be an autocracy and I won't answer to anyone but Walt himself.

Don’t you hate that every aspect of our lives is dictated by white collar gambling?

So we're you expecting Scorsese tier writing for Wish lol?

Play safe it's no longer profitable anymore It would be easiee to learn from the mistakes from wish and move with Penélope the adaptatión of the Princess and the pea and bluebeard

That I can kinda see. I mean I just watched for the first time and I didn't have a problem with it. In fact I really liked it, but I do need a couple of rewatches to understand the problems. Not saying your wrong, just laying down my first thoughts now that I've seen it.

Yes! My kids were all depressed about Disney movies falling off - like it was permanent - and we went through the historic list of hims and they realized just how many streaks of bad movies they've made in the past (and why the renaissance was such a big deal).

Yeah this is what I have been saying for the last several years. We just need someone to come in and not be afraid to take risks and do something new and different. They are sticking too much to a tired formula right now because historically in Hollywood sequels and remakes are safe because there is already somewhat of an audience. Which I'm hoping they will come to realize is actively biting them in the arse and losing them more money than they are gaining.

Financial slump sure I could see Disney making a comeback especially if they continue to rely on name recognition by making more sequels to past films and if general audiences never get tired of the constant milking of acquired franchises like Marvel & Star Wars. From a quality standpoint I personally think the company is permanently damaged from the acquisitions that have done nothing but give Disney access to more franchises that they can run into the ground and exploit for money while forgetting about making new franchises and stories that can be fondly remembered.

Electric boogaloo 😂😂😂😂

jungle book 2 as well

I definitely enjoyed Peter Pan Return to Neverland. ❤

While Walt did cave on that, eventually, it's still a key point: the guy just wasn't a fan of revisiting old projects. Heck, a big reason Disneyland got started was because he was getting...well, not exactly sick of movies, but he was just kind of obsessed with no getting stuck doing one thing.

@@jmn327 Walt didn't cave on that, Walt died. And it was all downhill from there.

@@jmn327 He never “caved.” The first theatrical sequel to a Disney feature was Rescuers Down Under, produced decades after Walt’s death. As was recently said, he would be spinning in his grave like a drill bit if he knew what had become of his legacy.

@@KhurtKhave669 Three Little Wolves is a Silly Symphony cartoon. Released on April 18, 1936, and directed by Dave Hand. It was the third Silly Symphony cartoon starring the Three Little Pigs.

@@taffysaur Three Little Wolves is a Silly Symphony cartoon released on April 18, 1936, and directed by Dave Hand. It was the third Silly Symphony cartoon starring the Three Little Pigs.

Not to mention morally bankrupt.

@@timgriffin639 I'm content to leave any moral questions up to the audience, as long as the movies are actually interesting.

@@ttintagel Oh ok....I don't. I'm willing to take a stand for what I believe in.

@@timgriffin639 Me, too, which is why I take ownership over my own media consumption instead of trying to run everybody else's.

@@ttintagel well you just said you let the public dictate the morality. I’m confused - are you trying to tell Me I’m free to have my own opinion? Gee, thanks!

Especially when Robin Williams Reprised his voice Role as The Genie I wish we had an Aladdin 4 but not now because Robin is gone

Amen! 👏

It's weird because this is the same Iger that saw the Disney Company through some of it's best years. What changed?

@@OffhandDisney his success got the best of him, and he let it get to him.

​@@OffhandDisneyHis Ego

​@OffhandDisney I think he's always been this way really, he just made more of an effort in the pre-Fox purchase era when he still had political dreams. And now that's all gone, he's not going to bother to pretend like he actually cares. And that's why people look back fondly on Eisner, despite his flaws. He actually made an effort, he didn't need to look for a higher job because he had that at Disney. As bad as some of the sequels were in his day, they were all just supplemental to the movies and TV shows at the time, they were never expected to compete with anyone except other straight to video releases at the video store.

​@@OffhandDisneyI think you could also partially blame Chapek for this too. I still trust Iger somewhat. I think the only sequels worth doing are at least Moana 2 and some of the frozens. I don't think we need toy story 5 or zootopia 2

Ralph Breaks the Internet really shook me with how bad these potential sequels could be.

​@@OffhandDisneyI feel like Moana 2 and some of the frozen sequels at least have a point to being made. Mostly to explore other areas that haven't been touched on yet.

I'm up for any film to have a test at a sequel.. If Inside Out 2 has an agenda behind it then I'm not interested..

I mostly blame this on Chapek's regime tbh. He clearly was in over his head and made terrible decision after terrible decision.

Strange World was greenlit in 2017, three years before Chapek became CEO. If five years is the average between a movie starting production and being released, we won’t see any of the films he approved until next year.

@@DrFranklynAnderson The film Strange World began production in 2017, yes. The actual writing, casting and recording of the film didn’t happen until 2022, of which Bob Chapek would’ve had say on the film and could have directed it into a different way than what the original creators may have wanted. You’re not wrong, but a lot of the issue with Strange World still falls on Chapek.

Let me correct myself. I misread what I was reading. The trailer came out in 2022. The recording of dialogue would’ve probably started in 2020/2021 when we were in the transition between Iger and Chapek. Chapek is still involved, and it’s his decision to release it in the end. He could’ve went full Zaslov and cut it like a Batgirl movie for a tax write off if he wanted to.

@@dougjackson3890 And be called “the guy who canceled the first Disney cartoon with an openly gay kid?” Pretty sure that’s enough to get you drawn and quartered in Hollywood. 😉

They provided new content with Strange World, Elemental and Wish, and they performed below par at the box office forcing Disney back to sequels.

@@nubby2790 That gets complicated, though... Disney also poorly advertised almost all of the recent box office flops. They are also currently doing injustices to original films like Soul, Turning Red, and Luca by only releasing them in theaters for one week each.... They already got a rough start by being released during the pandemic directly to Disney+ and now backtracking them into theaters is getting lukewarm reception and, once again, poor advertisement outside of the Disney echo-chambers like D23. They either went too hard and high stakes like they did with Wish, or they put in little to no effort like they did with Strange World. Their entire strategy is what's killing their box office performance on top of an already dying movie theater industry. Their best bet would be to pivot to exclusively releasing features on streaming and advertising it on social media, but we all know they won't do that because they see dollar signs in the box office just enough to keep investing in that route.

It's money and they dish out what's popular. It makes money. It's not hard to understand.......

Definitely! Who doesn't like continuation or another Journey story. :)

The world of Wreck It Ralph has so much potential to build upon and exploring the arcade games we've witnessed in the first movie and their characters in the form of tv show spin offs and movies. But no we got Breaks the Internet.

No it doesn't. Leave it alone. That's asking for more pointless shit

I rarely go to the cinema anymore because people have forgotten how to act in public.

No. It doesn't need to happen

I did enjoy this as well

We need sequels to those. Those are the sequels we need.

Everything in the Filoniverse has to be tied to absolutely everything else. Even if it takes massive retcons to do it.

People always complain about new content and when Disney delivers (Strange World, Elemental, Wish), audiences didn't go forcing Disney's hand.

@@nubby2790 Elemental made money, eventually. The bigger point is "do I need to see this in a theater (and spend more money) or wait 3 to 4 month and watch it on Disney + (which I am already paying for)?"

The public at large ignored both Strange Worlds & Wish because they were bad. You seem to be in the minority since you liked them but the majority disagrees with you.

Encanto and Raya bombed because of… certain worldwide events. They likely would have been successful otherwise.

Encanto wasn’t safe

@@DORAisD34D I think they got lucky with Encanto. The synopsis reads like it was written in a boardroom.

Because despite ecanto being a success nobody went to go see wish so I really don't know what people expected.

Agreed

They need to drop sequels almost indefinitely and get new ideas that are interesting

There's also a big difference between the narrative being there and them coming out and telling parents that they are going to focus on showing it to your kids. I know people that have completely abandoned Disney because of it.

@@shaggytallboy4982 Thank you! Even Iger has mentioned this, in the past it was a good story with a "message" now some of the movies feel like a "message" disguised as a story.

And it’s absolutely harmed the company. You can hate it as much as you want, but it’s a giant elephant in the room that some don’t acknowledge.

The true reason of why the original ideas failed it's because they don't have much creativity and passion that it needs to become a beloved classic

Finally, someone else is saying that as well. Michael needs to come back..

More like focusing more on passion and creativity than money

Well said. Disney used to feed and be fed by a broader monoculture. Now everything is much more scattered, but I think it’s possible breakthrough.