Sadly Andor got some of the lowest viewership for Star wars series. Even though it was good....I fear throwing more money at it will make it unsustainable.
@@cameronbolden5064 I would say let them make other shows that are not Star wars. I love Andor don't get me wrong. But Star wars needs to find it's success. And people aren't watching Andor.
@@wkadaliethose watching are loving it, seems it's Disney's mantra now, a sizeable section of fandom likes it, it'll get a chance, hate it it's finished. Because eventually more people will watch andor because of word of mouth.
I think people will be happy it’s cancelled for the fact that there’s a minuscule chance it’ll get through Disney’s thick heads that the majority of their content is garbage and the entire thing of whatever it is that they’re doing needs a rethink.
Why are we happy because it's cancelled?? Well maybe because they destroyed canon with these series and made STAR WARS as a joke. Majbe because they ruined some of our favorite characters even before this show, and we don't want them to continue doing so..... I wll never understand the argument: If you don't like it, well don't watch it.... How will I know I don't like if I don't watch it?? I watched it and I have right to call them out on terrible scripts, wasted potential, and I will call them out on detsrojing something I loved my whole life and I spent tounsands and thusands of dollars on merch, toys and many more stuff. If people like me don't have the right to be happy about cancellation on something that detsroyed franchise we loved, than who has?? I guess it's step forward, I guess they listened to the fans, even they are too proud to say ''Yes, our show was terrible'' It will be cancelled quietly from other portals and media, because they will never acknowledge they faillure. I'm sure KK and Lesley will say for the next 10 years that season 2 is not cancelled because they are too proud to admit somethig failed, same as they never officially confirmed Taika Waititi's movie is never happening, same as Rian Johnson's new trilogy, same as D&D new trilogy, and Patty Jenkins Rogue Squadron. They never officially said it's not happening, and that''s Kathleen Kennedy's mindset. She ill never acknowledge faillure, and she needs to be called out for that.
@@bryannepeguero4953 the one where when they go on the press tours to tell people how great the story and acting is.... they tout the gayness of it. No one touted the gayness of Andor... they had lesbians in it. And no one got mad (contrary to what they will tell you).They touted THE STORY on their press tours.
People need to stop putting their agendas into media and franchises they didn't create then getting upset when their vision is rejected by consumers. If you're not paying homage and sticking to the cannon as well as inserting political or social agendas, you deserve to fail cuz you don't respect the very fans that made the thing popular in the first place.
Every movie/show has a message. Here we go again, but every Star Wars project has left-leaning messages. You just call it an "agenda" when it's a message that you don't like.
When a show is done that badly, you can see the "agenda" a LOT more clearly. See something like Watchmen series. Fantatsic show and is full of "agendas" that you may ot may not agree with. But it is QUALITY tv, unlike D+
The biggest red flag is when people automatically try to lump normal fans with the extremists, it’s not a political problem it’s a quality problem. Fans don’t have a problem with female leads or diverse casts, they do have a problem being treated like idiots that can’t tell that they’re just using diversity to cover up for their complete lack of talent or respect for the IP.
This. A bad tv show is a bad tv show period. Compound that with the expectations of a fandom who have probably waited their whole lives for a Star Wars renaissance only to be greeted with IP bait and you get the online negativity.
This... I love that it had so much diversity but when that's written with lines like "Is he...OR THEY with us?" because the writing was completely devoid of nuance or subtlety, it only works against the cause. Please...have all the representation you can shove into the brand but write it with respect for it.
@@thehacker4012 I dont know about ‘only’, but we’ve ‘only’ gotten stories pretty much blaming the Jedi for everything. No agency for ‘bad guys’; no one is opposed to nuanced characters, but the whole beginning of SW was Obi-Wan recruiting Luke to be a Jedi. That was Lucas’ original purpose of the story.
@@NewDealDem2187 Yeah, I don't believe you. Because a) if you want stories where Jedi are the good guys then this what High Republic is for yet the "fans" show no interest in it. b) if you were interested in nuance then you wouldn't dismiss the Jedi as the "bad guys" in the Acolyte. and c) Lucas himself deconstructed the Jedi in the prequels so appealing to Lucas doesn't work here.
I think in the case of the acolyte it's more like people don't want a story about those 2 twins. If someone like qimir were the main lead and he was the one driving the narrative it would be more interesting IMO.
I think The Rise of Skywalker and The Acolyte are the only two Star Wars things I truly dislike. Sorry to those who liked it, but to cancel The Acolyte was a good call. It was damaging for the brand.
People are happy because The Acolyte represents opportunity cost. Disney only has so many dollars, so many resources and so many release slots it is willing to devote to Star Wars. When a bad show takes up those slots and uses those resources, it means we don't get the good show that might have been made instead. Now maybe we will.
Yes, I'm happy ot's canceled. NOT because I wish bad things on people or that I'm being a jerk. It's because I know they're getting the message and they will put more time, thought and effort into what they will produce in the future.
The reason people are happy is because they’re attack on the fans that didn’t like it for legit reasons. It’s ok to “not watch” something and it be ok, but they attacked the fans for “not watching”. Calling them names instead of just understanding that people just didn’t like the show.
@@thehacker4012and they’re we go with the race card again . That’s all you guys go for when you can’t accept that the show was just bad . No one is saying YOU are not allowed to like it . If you liked it , cool but don’t say the majority of ppl who hated it were racist . Andor is doing well and the lead is a Hispanic , do you see ppl trashing that ? No . Cuz it’s a good story and characters .
@@RubexQewb The majority of people are anonymous users on the internet. And yet I'm supposed to see them as representative of the how ACTUAL people feel about the series and believe they are coming from a place of good faith. Please. RT rating is simply NOT credible, I don't know what else to you this isn't even an opinion but a fact. Btw, Andor was the lowest viewed Star Wars show next to The Acolyte.
@@thehacker4012 yeah , maybe they wanna be anonymous cuz they want to be labeled a racist just cuz they don’t enjoy a show that has black characters. What you ppl fail to see is that these studios use race as a shield for their bad products . It’s almost like they know ppl will hate the story so they throw diversity in there so they can blame the fans for racism instead of accepting the fact that they didn’t care about what they were releasing Cuz they know the LGBTQ or whatever else group will eat it up . Ironically these studio don’t care about these groups , they just half ass a product and add diversity and boom “ look guys ! We care about you! Yeah , we didn’t put effort into the story but look a black woman !!! Look a trans woman !!” I’m telling you rn as I told other ppl already , if The Acolytes story was as good as the fights ( cuz I’ll admit the fights were sick ) you would not hear any complaints . Yeah, a few whiners here and there but the majority would have praised it but no , I’m sorry the show (imo) was just bad .
People are glad it got canceled so they can focus their efforts on better star wars properties. The show was badly written, boring, and adds nothing to the Star Wars universe. Sorry, but when a story is so poorly written, people have a right to praise cancelation and get something better.
People are glad it got canceled so they can focus their efforts on better star wars properties. The show was badly written, boring, and adds nothing to the Star Wars universe. Sorry, but when a story is so poorly written, people have a right to praise cancelation and get something better.
Exactly. Bad product dilutes the IP. Starwars is known for its canon, so I’m happy they won’t get a chance to play with the big toys. I shudder to think about how they would have ruined those characters.
EXACTLY. Not to mention that when a show that divisive/ridiculed continues, it tarnishes Star Wars’s reputation and makes people less excited for future projects
@@crimson8183 one of the Jedi actors in interviews kept saying Anakin blew up the Death Star when we know it was Luke :) Tip of the iceberg on how deep the show went as far as lore and breaking lore...
I'm in agreement with the idea that Disney announced this cancellation because they wanted to send a clear message that changes are coming to the Star Wars franchise just as they are unfolding in Marvel and Pixar. There are more people who disliked or were apathetic to the Acolyte than watched it and that is a financial loss for Disney and its stockholders.
I agree with your opinion about not understanding why people are happy to see something fail when it is a smaller scale production. But this is Star Wars! At one time the biggest franchise in the world. Its really not surprising that the majority of fans are increasingly feeling like they as the mainstream are being purposefully ignored and sidelined for a small niche audience. Completely understandable then that alot of fans feel like "well you ignored all of us and now we are happy that your show for a niche audience didnt work". Star Wars is mainstream - that was the reason why it resonated with so many people. Until Disney come back to that their shows will continue to flop.
Put the budget elsewhere. The whole series just didn't work as Star Wars in keeping with anything that had come before it- and not in a good way. This was more than double the budget of Obi Wan and that had Vader and Obi Wan in it!
John you are the most person that copes for why shows actually fails. It's plain and simple. The show failed because it crapped on the lore of what Star Wars actually is about. And ruined the cannon of Star Wars for the sake of pushing a certain agenda. And it doesn't help to have the director who crapped on actual Star Wars fans either. And having a actor doing what they do best. Playing victim by coming out with a hip-hop video calling people racist who didn't like the show.
Everytime I hear John Campea bring up Russion Doll, I have to shake my head and go yeah but she wasn't the creater of Russion Doll. The idea was from the other creaters and she was brought in to help put a team of writers together. This shows her being the literal showrunner isn't ready and I wouldn't be surprised that she will be nothing more than a writer and director going forward. As a showrunner unless its to tick the box that we all know exists isn't for her.
First time coming across your content, only because someone on a Critical Drinker review stated you were praising this thing and surprised people are celebrating its demise. Like a car wreck I had to watch your take. YIKES. You are right about one thing the show was made for tiny pockets of people, just not actual fans of Star Wars, or even me who isnt a "everything SW is amazing" as I only like the originals and Rogue One. It was just bad
But isn't most of star wars bad? It's obviously subjective but John criticizes this show for the volume use but the CGI in the prequels and even return of the Jedi was all common criticisms when those released.
@@Thed538dhsk correct most is bad in my mind. I absolutely HATE the added CGI Lucas added to the originals (4,5,6) in the 90s. And the prequels (1,2,3) I mostly ignore
@@Thed538dhsk correct most is bad in my mind. I absolutely dislike the added CGI Lucas added to the originals (4,5,6) in the 90s. And the prequels (1,2,3) I mostly ignore
John is 100% right: if you don’t like something, don’t watch it. I hated The Acolyte, but I watched it out of morbid curiosity. It only came out weekly, and I wanted to watch other people’s reviews of it, but I thought The Acolyte was terrible and is probably genuinely one of the worst shows I have ever watched. If you don’t like something, simply put, don’t watch it. I watched like two or three episodes of the new Netflix Good Times, and it was god-awful, so you know what I did? I stopped watching it. Lol.
Fun fact: the actress playing Venestra is Leslye Headland's girlfriend. Gee, I wonder how she got the part? Why is no one criticizing Disney for hiring Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant? There are plenty of up and coming talented writers and showrunners in Los Angeles and Disney chose to hire someone who knew about and may have been complicit in Weinstein's crimes?
As someone who’s happy it’s cancelled I can say the joy comes from the possibility of a new project getting $100+ million dollar budget and not a second season of acolyte
Do we trust them to make that new project good though. Boba Fett....Obi wan....Ashoka....Acolyte. They're on a losing streak..... I don't need new projects I need sweeping changes....to leadership and show runners. Kennedy needs to go...then I'll be hopefull. Even after the failures they still don't understand what the problem is....the audience isn't the problem.
Not happy it was canceled but definitely not surprised. The series had poor writing, poor acting and overall poor structure. Character motivations changed eps to eps, the mystery was poorly executed via the time jump back and forth. I can’t believe how amateur the acting was, not sure if it was poor direction or what. As mentioned, some good elements, but overall a subpar execution.
Disney needs to put the WARS back into Star Wars, Acolyte was dreadful, like Disney wants to check all the inclusion boxes, fine. But those characters still need a good story. Andor and Mandalorian do well because there is WAR in Star Wars. Skeleton Crew looks like Saturday Morning Cartoon level of a concept that I suspect began as something original, a script that was a homage to ET and Escape from Witch Mountain about kids from boring suburb-land who yearn for adventure get invovlved with some UFO Alien etc.
If you tell the part of the fan bace, you dont like to touch grass and not watch. And they stop watching. You can't freak out when they stop watching and go touch grass. I'm with John, I could only take 2 episodes. And I was out.
It was garbage and the last straw! As a part of this franchise it just didn't work. Would have been better as a stand alone sci-fi series like rebel Moon in my opinion!
I'm pissed because it's a missed opportunity. It was sold as a Sith Story, but it ended being a Jedi blunder story were the sith are just passing through. Darth Plagueis, that we saw for a second at the end, was a business man and political animal just like Palpatine. I was hoping for some kind of House of Cards Star Wars version were the Sith are pulling strings, double crossing, scheming and in the end always get their ways. Instead we got....this.
I'm glad it's cancelled, not out of malice but for three logical reasons. 1 I don't want LH demonising the jedi any more, I know they were arrogant etc but making them all liars in denial and ending on a tease that Yoda was in on it was too much. Glad if they never tie that plot point up and make Yoda more of an a hole or an idiot than they already have. 2 I like Star Wars, I don't want The Acolyte ruining the brand even more than most of the live action shows and the sequel trilogy already have. 3 It sends a message that we demand quality not agendas, we demand a good plot not shoe horned messaging, you can't just hijack a franchise for your message at the expense of plot and story, make it make sense. Hopefully there will be more quality control before they spend hundreds of millions again.
It's a shame the show was cancelled considering how it finished, but I understand it. After the first two episodes I waited until it was all out while hearing the "twitter and fandom rumblings" on how upset those who watched, and definitely did not watch, were. Going into it unspoiled, episode 3 was the real killer not for the lore reasons, but because it seemed like an offbrand CW-eqsue episode that did not flow in with anything else. If that episode did not happen, I truly believe it would not have had such a catastrophic dip. Because of this, I feel the wrong lessons will be learned from the show...but who knows.
If a director has great stuff in one genre but terrible stuff in another, it could just be that they're either over-specialized in a particular genre, or rode someone else' coattails. M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender is a famous example of a writer/director being great at producing films for certain types of stories and horrible at other types of stories.
Another one for Kathleen Kennedy's wonderful record as Star War's gate keeper. How many movies and series ruined now? How's the strength of the IP looking now? Granting exclusive license for games to freaking EA of all companies? What a joke. A monkey flipping a coin would have a better track record. As John says, she's probably a great producer. But Ms. "if only we have some source material" clearly doesn't have her head in the game. Somebody who lives and loves the IP should run it. Do the Mouse execs not understand that the MCU becane a juggernaut because Feige loves the source material, respects it and has a vision how to bring it to the screen? This is like watching a preventable slow motion car wreck.
John is 100% right: if you don’t like something, don’t watch it. I hated The Acolyte, but I watched it out of morbid curiosity. It only came out weekly, and I wanted to watch other people’s reviews of it, but I thought The Acolyte was terrible and is probably genuinely one of the worst shows I have ever watched. If you don’t like something, simply put, don’t watch it. I watched like two or three episodes of the new Netflix Good Times, and it was god-awful, so you know what I did? I stopped watching it. Lol.
9:51 that’s the show runner’s (Lesley Headland’s) wife you’re referring to; she was placed into the show because, well, Lesley had the authority to make it so. Also, I have to disagree - everyone, and I mean everyone’s (with the exception of Sol) acting was horrendous. Sure, the writing seemed like A.I. wrote it, but the acting was stale and boring nonetheless, with Amandla’s performance (and her single expressionless expression the entire time) was the worst.
Venestra Rwoh (the green jedi) is one of the coolest High Republic books characters. She's a teenager in the books. They aged her so badly! Such a shame.
Pretty sure this show being canceled was officially announced because Kennedy is finally on the chopping block at Disney. The moment the witches episode aired people tuned out immediately. You saw a huge decline begin and people didn't want to stick around.
I don’t see the point of just going through the dog piling of hate Disney got from this show for a whole season again. A lot of people have their minds that they hate the show and nothing will change that. Cut your losses and move on.
The sad part is we can't even have expectations of quality anymore. We're just bigots for disliking crappy writing. I like Sol's actor, I like Manny. I just don't like nonsense writing between plot and dialogue. But yeah, we're man-baby racists I guess.
Victimizing yourself is crazy considering there is a very vocal portion of the fanbase that dislike the show for racist and bigoted reasons. Just look at Amandla Stenberg’s comment section. Truly vile. And I say this as someone who also didn’t care for the show.
@@DeathRowlz Omitting would mean leaving out something meaningful. It was a video posted on Juneteenth in response to the racism she was facing. Maybe you didn’t read her caption? Moses Ingram faced similar racism and she didn’t post a rap video. So no, I didn’t omit anything. And in regards to the comment section, many comments have been deleted. There are several particular emojis that are still being used by a lot of people. I’ll let you put the rest together buddy.
@@itzdrew1335No idea who that is. I’m positive the people in those comments are vile. Doesn’t mean everyone who dislikes the show is one of them, or wrong.
Could that Rogue One "Top Gun in space" movie work as a miniseries? Use that extra time to have Band or Brothersy (maybe start with them meeting in training then flashbacks to personal origins?) character development that deepen the pilots to create deeper paths for those that survive/die.
To be honest I'm kinda surprised the next season wasn't canceled while the show was still airing new episodes on Disney Plus. With the poor reception, it was getting week by week.
How about Disney gets better writers from marvel and Star wars. I feel they are just pushing these out because they are an existing IP, so we'll watch it regardless. Then buy the merch. I'm sure the suits will only learn the wrong lesson from this too. For example, after mars needs moms failed, instead of really thinking why it failed, The answer was obvious. People didn't want to see Mars movies.... John Carter's original movie name had Mars on it, so they removed the Sir title.
A big problem with this is how television is made in general. They film an entire season and and airbit. Because of that there is no way to gauge what is working and what isn't working and pivot. In the old days if a character isn't connecting with audiences they can change something in the performance or work on the story. Now you either nail it off the bat or people nail you First season of a lot of older shows sucked but they used feedback to improve. Shows now are all too expensive to be allowed to learn or grow. TNG was terrible season one but it was given time to get better
This was very evident with Marvel's Disney+ shows: The shows were supervised by movie executives; which is why they would shoot entire seasons in one go. They had no show bibles or showrunners
I mean, im happy is cancelled because there is a limited amount of resources, if disney had thrown another 100 mi into a second season, thats money that could have being going to something good. Not only in the Star Wars IP, but in any place, disney can use it to make 10 indie series and if one of them is a success it was already worthy axing Acolyte. So, im sorry, but the "dont like dont watched" argument dont fit when the theme is cancelation.
For the life of me.. I DO NOT understand why studios spit in the faces of their core audience/fans and STILL expect to have success. 🤔. Calling people (right/wrong/indifferent) who have held this franchise up for 40+ years, “g@y incels”, will NOT garner you respect. If you disagree with their take.. IGNORE them. But to consistently LEAN INTO bashing these people, it almost comes off as elitist or bullish. Anywho.. to quote the [not-so-great] Joker, “you get what you ***** deserve”.
Ive been a pretty loyal Disney SW fan outside a few exceptions like Boba Fett and ROS. This was by far the worst thing they have done since taking over 12 years ago. It was so poorly written and directed. Almost unwatchable. And its too bad too because they wasted Trinity and the Squid Games guy on this.
“Despite the hate there were many pockets of fans who loved it, art is always subjective” -John Also John- “The prequels were terrible compared to the sequels”
Lmao Are You Serious?? He literally Just Said It's Subjective. Do You Even Know What Subjective Means? Even In This Video He said The Acolyte Didn't Work For Him, Just Like He's Said The Prequels Didn't Work For Him. So What Were You Really Trying To Prove With This Comment?
I think this is a good thing for one main reason. it shows they ackowledged the failure in terms of the viewrship and reception and probably want things to change and to go in a different direction.
The two things I hope they carry from The Acolyte would be the lightsaber fights and the pre-fall of the Republic setting. Other than that? Can chuck the rest in the garbage.
