The Acolyte Episode 5 - I’m Done 

Agreed… @John Campa is right, movies should be the main focus moving forward.

@rileylopez113 First, there are a lot more than just "12 people" who are upset about women, lesbians, etc. Second, not saying the show is perfect but what some consider bad writing and bad characters actually boils down to them not really paying attention. Third, just because someone isn't complaining about women and minorities doesn't automatically mean they are coming from a place of good faith. I think we have to be honest; The Acolyte is NOT being judged by the same standard because they are women and minorities as the leads. There is thing called unconscious bias where you can impose unfair bias without even realizing it. Not saying that everyone who doesn't like The Acolyte suffer from unconscious bias, but we can't pretend that unconscious bias isn't a thing.

I don’t know what to say if you don’t think ep 5 was fun and exciting for a SW fan. I don’t know how you’re defining that because ep 5 was nothing but fun and exciting. The highest level of fun and exciting that any of the live-action shows has produced. Writing and logic, that may be different, but fun and exciting? hmmm

@@jamesmarquezdev it’s not fun and exciting if I don’t care about the characters and where the story is going. All I saw were a bunch of monks swinging around glow sticks. It was cool but it meant nothing.

@@rileylopez7113 You’re describing the prequels.

The people you watch aren’t critics, they’re RU-vid grifters.

Because the critics rated it after watching the first two episodes. They are just too lazy to revisit and revise their ratings as more episodes come out.

@@kylequestGood point ✅

If you're still going by critic and audience ratings then you probably still believe in Santa Claus.

Paid ratings

They must not have found any because of dialogue still has not improved at all. If anything it got worse

@@negx3933 That’s a red flag!!

Remember when Andors director could give less of a shit about Star Wars?

@@Juan-tm8fkYep lol He only said he doesn’t care for Star Wars

They did it to have a different perspective for the story. The larger the size of the writers room the better for stuff like this

Gayest STARWARS remember What did you expect

Pretty good break down of it.

@@mreszotnik Very apt analysis. Spot on. I am so turned off by the main plot so to speak that I didn't even realize that a couple of characters have better arcs. I do like Sol very much actually.

He's not a telepath, he's a Force user. But I do agree with your point. Also, does the cortosis helmet work like Magneto's helmet, blocking mind reading?

Not all the Jedi have the same strengths. We don't know if Sol actually has that ability (it's actually quite rare among Jedi), and neither did the dude saying it. But he didn't want to take any chances.

Then she decided to infiltrate the Jedi order since she couldn't convince Osha that the Jedi were lying to her. Perhaps, she is infiltrating the Jedi to expose them and thus win back Osha's love.

The only WTF moments were not good moments. More like, wtf how did this get 180 million dollars?

bro the show is garbaaaaageeee stop making excuses for it... if we weren't fans of star wars we wouldnt even watch this garbageee we are forced to watch it to see it's good.

@@CodingPhase seeing things the way I'm seeing them are excuses and your way of seeing things is the right way. Sounds like you think you know what you're talking about. All I saw from you is "show garbage...attack me....then more nothing". You didn't even have depth enough to make excuses for why you think it's garbage. What your saying isn't enough. It's an option and a losing tactic, nothing more. At least Campea here has coherent reasons why he's saying what he's saying. I don't see it that way but, I'll be the first to admit that with this show, a call can't be made until everything plays out. Best one can do is say yes or no they're enjoying the journey so far. Anything more you think yourself omnipotent or gave some inside knowledge to how all the different mysteries will play out. If I were a betting man, you have none of those things. Just try to pummel people with the word "garbage" and oh "bad writing just cuz" without an explanation.

​@@taylormadealphawell said. I for one am enjoying the acolyte and I wish to see how it plays out till the end before I make a final verdict on it.

The whole bug thing was a set up and payoff that belonged within the same episode.

Combined it would have been right around 52 minutes without credits. Which is right around a HoD episode. No idea why they didn't just do that.

​@stephenb.5304 cuz they'd only have 3 or 4 episodes. Cuz they don't have a real show. It's a stretched out movie. Episode 3 should have been a 10 or 15 minute flashback of a long movie. Maybe split into several parts over the 1st half of the movie.

@@davidstansbury9309 Honestly I would have no issue with 4 50+ minute episodes. Wouldn't be enough to save this show but it would be way more watchable

I just got really sad realizing that it won't happen...

Andor felt like a HBO show, the potential is there but it seems Disney and LFL have other priorities for their shows/movies

The show should bare bones be this: Sol is investigating a string of Jedi assassinations with qimir ultimately being revealed as the sith acolyte working for a sith lord. That is it. This show should be a detective/who done it thriller. Instead we are dicking around with witches. WHY!?

The use of and affect on children is kind of the point. Nothing works for everyone.

@@jasonbusch8475 I agree with you on that../

Carrie Anne Moss seemed cool for the 30 seconds she was in the show too, lol. Even Jeckie and Yord grew more interesting this episode. A show centered around Sol/Qimir with Carrie Anne Moss, Jeckie, Yord, and just make Osha a Jedi padawan too I guess would've been OK.

Only problem that the show is failing to show the viewer that

​@@Lol75aAlso kinda late to change her mind now that he wants her dead.

Seriously if they knew the scene was gone be that amazing. Why didn’t they make a better story ! This series needed more time to develop. To many characters and no development.

Very good pt!

The same lil padawan that can also go toe to toe with a Sith that just wiped the floor with six Jedi Knights.

IN her defense Jadkie is A BADASS.

Mae never beat a Jedi. She lost to Trinity and was only able to kill her because she made her choose to save the bartender. Master Sol kicked her ass, and the quiet guy took poision. Mae can't beat anyone.

@@johncampea The 'you must kill a Jedi without a weapon' thing might be misinterpreted. Maybe she's supposed to kill a jedi who's NOT ARMED - that's why she was reaching for Indara's and Sol's sabers ;)

Oh shit I forgot about that lmao

Watch HeelsVsBabyFace... And I mean every video critiquing each episode [especially episode 5]...and then ask yourself how does it make sense...You are clearly not thinking about plot...movement...and most importantly character development.

@@user-pv9gb5op2ewhy would you wish such suffering on a person good god Watch redlettermedia the og star wars haters if anything. Or better yet come up with your own opinions and stop downloading them from babies trapped in grown bodies

Idk man 5/10 is pretty bad. Action like this deserves a better story.

@@k--music That I agree with I just don't agree that these are plot holes or problems what he pointed out, that said I agree the writing is bad and right now it's only a 5 out of 10 there's still three more episodes they might be able to get it to a six or seven and if they get it to a six the show is successful If they don't then the show was not successful if they get into a seven the show was good I don't see how anyway they could get it to it or a nine and a ten impossible. But I'll wait until it's done and then I'll judge it it's also possible the next three episodes could be like episode 3 or 4 and make it afford of 10 or 3 out of 10. I am not defending the show as being some great show I'm just saying that I don't think the problem is pointed out or the problems they're making out to be.

@@user-pv9gb5op2e I literally just did explain it and it makes absolute sense. The reason why Mae change her opinion to turn herself into the Jedi was because now she knows her sister is alive and she stayed it so but then on the way to turn herself in she finds the Jedi wookie already dead and then as she continues she sees her master so she knows he is there and she is fairly confident he's going to kill everyone, therefore now she doesn't want to be taking him by the Jedi who she believes is going to be dead he wants to find her sister and try to save her sister which is exactly why she switches tactics again. The situations changed first she thought she was on the planet by herself with some goofy shopkeeper who she trapped she laid that trap specifically so she could then go turn herself into the Jedi and go off the end What changed that was the new information that her sister was now alive and that what she even told by her master and been doing was a lie. Then out of fear after she saw the Jedi working killed anti saw her master and knew the master was going to try to kill her which she did she did not want to be turned over the Jedi cuz she felt they were all going to be killed and they were except for one. She acted at a self-preservation and the only person she cared about at that point was her self and her sister which you tried to then convince her sister to choose her and come with her and when that didn't work the only other way for survival was to take her place. The reason why Sol You can stop to investigator is because she looked just like her wearing the exact same clothes and he had no reason to think that the sister would put the other sister in harm's way and take her clothes and they were running from a massive battle where every other good I had been murdered and his number will concern was getting them out of their safely so he didn't stop for safety protocols that he didn't think were necessary You guys are analyzing this from the outside not from in the heat of the moment You're like people watching a boxing match saying oh he should have ducked right there oh he should have blocked right there That's all easy to do when you're on the outside it's very different when you're in there fighting for your life. As for the master I think he's fully aware that they switched which is why he took her in all of a sudden after trying to kill her sister cuz now it's another try at another person he can try and corrupt and you that betrayal as a way to turn her to the dark side I don't think he's fooled in any way she perform that there was not a switch there. So for those reasons it all makes perfect sense to me why she acted in the way she acted why she pivoted the way she pivoted it why he did not take time to force check her when he's never done that before he's always just assumed she was who she said she was and why I don't think the other guy is fooled and thinks they've switched. Nor do I think he's actually a sit he said some may call me a sith I don't think he's actually a sith I think he's a rod Jedi which is why the one kid knew who he was and the Jedi Master could sense something familiar about him it's something to do with what happened at that temple he is probably trained by the witch. If you would play games or done Legends you would know what force battle meditation is he used the opposite of that which is called force confusion which is how he was able to take all those Jedi down by entering their minds and confusing them which normally would leave him vulnerable to people getting into his mind but he had that helmet on and he even stated so when he asked him to take the helmet off and he said why so you can get into my head so they are explaining abilities that people from Legends already are aware of or if you play the Old Republic game you're aware of. I'm in Norway saying it this show is great it's not but I understand what they're doing and I don't see those as being problems there are a list of other problems with the show and the writing is bad and cutting from seeing the scene was annoying having episodes that are under 30 minutes is ridiculous there's a lot more I could point at that's wrong but these things I understand exactly what was going on and exactly why she did what you did. Day of the day I'm going to wait until the whole show is over and then I'll see if they answered any of the plot holes or problems that people are seeing they're definitely some there If he's actually a sith and every Jedi there is not murdered before they get back to the council that's a plot hole but I don't know that that's going to happen. I still think the witches are going to have something to do with it and I think that green Jedi chick is evil and she'll probably end up killing Sol. Or something else will happen there's more to the story to watch, but if you don't like it your point is totally valid I just disagree with the points for their above mentions that I have detailedly explained why I think you did what you did and how it's totally believable to me but that's me You don't have to agree with me I'm not trying to convince you.

But that’s not true… be honest if it wasn’t for the internet what part of the show would you say is pandering to gay people? And honestly I’m still trying to work that out

The showrunner explicitly said she wanted to write a story that would speak to queer people. That was, in her own words, her goal. And the themes are there, everywhere “the galaxy don’t accept women like us” “the Jedi say I’m not allowed to exist”, “we were persecuted because SOME would consider our power dark (different)”. All the messaging is there, and all of it at the cost of lore and character. Good writers can do both.

George Lucas wrote Star Wars for 12 year olds.

@@hoos3014 and yet, no one thought it was a kids movie when it was first released. "Empire" certainly wasn't a kids movie, but when "Return" was released, I was disappointed with how hard Lucas went toward inserting kid stuff into the movie. I hated the Ewoks, at first, but now I tolerate them because the rest of the movie is so great. If the IP can't evolve into one for adults, I may be done with Star Wars for good.

@@j.jennings1722 People knew ANH was a kids movie when there was a monster in the trash compactor. In ESB, our Wookie mechanic screws C3PO's head on backwards. In ROTJ the master bounty hunter gets yeeted into the sarlac pit by a half blind Han Solo. Star Wars is great in its own right, but let's not pretend we're talking we're talking about the Godfather here.

@@hoos3014 the trash compactor scene didn't feel that way at the time, on the big screen. Star Wars made adults feel like kids again. There weren't a bunch of kids going to the original Star Wars, when it was first released. It was mostly adults at the theater, along with teens who then returned 30 times to see the movie. Back then, kids watched Disney movies, and teens were wild AF.

Well we seeing reports of adults and their kids after seeing this episode playing in their lawns with their lightsabers. Hey maybe you can be the crazy old man yelling "get off lawn". LOL🤣

@Madame702 Not sure what your comment has to do with mine but a little FYI. That was happening before this last episode or even this series

And 3 body problem

@@martincrabtree7378 definitely

Agreed. In completely invested in spite of the corny dialogue and plot holes

I’ll go ahead and tell you the secret, him and the other Jedi got in a conflict with the witches and killed them all. The fire was set by them during the battle and not by Mae. They manipulated Osha to believe what happened is what we saw in Episode 3.

I with you, it could be good...the power of mannnyyy😂😂

that was the only story im interested now and this was their first encounter. so im gonna make this a story between qimir and sol and that was episode 1.😂

​@@DirkHardpeccI mean sure but why did they do this? From Episode 3 I assumed the Jedi killed the witches but what did they see that made them so scared? Maybe they found Sith iconography in that temple?

That would actually be pretty cool if that's what happens.

They let him off with a warning 😂

😂 bye bye

Well when they hire based on a checklist and that checklist has nothing to do with talent this is what we get.

Bad writing....

you can't compare sword fights to light saber fights. One exists, one doesn't.

Wow I agree 100% these were basically some of my same thoughts.

Shouldn't Anakin have been able to sense Padme was pregnant with twins?

You think they would be happy they killed off Padawan Jecki, and all the Lesbian space witches.

@@Madame702 I don't think you understood this comment you replied to

Word. So, what do you like about the show?

@@aaronknautz7364 I thought light saber fights were good, costumes good, most cg good.

It's the internet. Once it airs it's fair game.

@@WLDB nah it’s simple respect, the episode just aired a few days ago and this is a video on a different topic and so that came out of nowhere. Jonathan could’ve easily made the same point without spoiling another show, it’s a simple matter of respect.

Star wars has little ambition. Sadly the poor reception to this show may spook them

That would actually be cool. Carrie Anne Moss could be a cool Sith.

I agree. I don't even think it's a bad character or anything like that but they make it out like it's some big moment and nobody other than Mae knows him. I'm guessing he has a past with Sol somehow but the reveal was not earned.

John’s point, and he is correct, is that the show isn’t suffering because of its “progressive elements.” It’s suffering because of bad writing. Andor had many of the same “progressive elements,” but it was superbly written and directed, so no serious person was whining about the “agenda.”

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Stop

Too early.

Oh, don't write it off yet. Qumir probably didn't train himself...

Fr 😅😂

Not by a long shot.

Bye

I feel ya. I tried. It's so badly written and directed. Can't defend it.

Hell no I love the show keep good work Disney

The Acolyte was a lost cause

@@jred201what?? The fight scenes are cool though

You say that like Scooby-Doo is bad. Scooby-Doo is excellent and has plenty of brilliant episodes in both it's modern and classic eras. Just check out Mystery Inc and you'll know what I mean. Scooby-Doo shouldn't be used as a low bar, while it has a couple of shows that aren't great (I'm looking at you, Velma and Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo) but for the most part it is a very compelling franchise that has managed to stay relevant for over 50 years! It deserves a little more respect!

Don’t mention scooby n this show in the same sentence pls

There were some really cool moves (like the Sith skewering two jedis), but I agree, the overall editing was meh. Plus the plot amour inconsistencies - dispatching several knights with ease but struggling with a padawan. I do give them credit for killing the padawan and the dimwit jedi though, did not expect that. Although Jackie was just stabbed with a lightsaber, so she might be fine next week.

Yeah, take away those Power Rangers on hover scooters. Plus, as long as Boba keeps the helmet on. Book of Boba Fett isn't that awful. "I am Boba Fett" and "Like a bantha" are still cringe.

Yes, they both know

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