Disney World's New Ride Is SUPER Unpopular: Tron Is a WALK-ON Without Its Virtual Queue! 

That is a big part of why I don't go anymore. (At least to US parks.) The system hasn't quite caught on in Paris, hopefully French culture keeps it that way. As for Japan, phones are basically for translating purposes and that's about it. Once again, the best Disney experience is the one Disney doesn't own.

I agree. I don't go to Disneyland to have to be dealing with my device all day long. The info isn't accurate either. I was with my brother in July and we checked Genie+ for Matterhorn times. His device said 4:30 pm. Mine said 10:45 pm.

​@@ThemeParkZilver​I don't think you should look up to modern French culture, like, at all.

@@dogg-paws Don't let the actions of some Parisians and President Macron paint the whole of France in a bad light. It would be like looking at New York or Seattle and saying America has nothing good to offer. There is a lot of good that comes from French culture, not the least of which is cooking. I can also confidently say that while Disney owns both the US and the Paris resorts in their entirety, the French Resort is a noticeably more relaxed vacation than either US park. Prices may be awful due to Disney HQ but the service is very friendly and polite. Also as mentioned before the resort is not molded around you being on your phone 24/7. (In 2023 I didn't even use it my entire stay. Things like reservations can be made in person and there was no need for app ordering anywhere else.) If nothing else that proves Paris is doing something right.

@Jafar-dr6to true. The last few times I went. Guests didn't even notice the lines moved forward until a CM says to "please move forward" or "please move up." Because of so busy looking at there phones

The only virtual que usage I felt was actually useful was for Hagrids Motorbike Adventure at Universal. Its long gone now, but when it was a thing, it was useful, as the average wait time was in the hours. Now, that the standby lines are fully open, it can atill take a hour or longer for that ride depending on time of day.

​@verios44 I agree, virtual ques are great for popular rides that can carry 2hour or more wait times.

@@MICHAELTHOMAS-de4wn they are dumb! Like it could be popular if it was a walk on!

I don't like them either, but remember the 6 to 8 hour queues for Avatar?

No I think they are needed when avengers campus opened here in Cali back in 2020, it was a 6 hour wait just to get in.

It’s not the IP. Don’t give Disney the wrong idea. They are already ruining too many classic rides to try to put in popular IP. Tron is a perfectly fine IP. The concept for the ride is nice. But the ride is too short and they could have done more to make it more immersive.

Disney: Kids love tron right Kids: What's a tron?

The most beloved attraction was based on IP; that was Splash Mountain. Are you not a fan of Tron, like, at all?

Don't forget the advantages given to Hotel Guests. Usually an earlier entry time for the lotto.

I loved playing with the Shadows in the que for Peter Pan. I used to just stand there and space out letting people pass me.

First off, Tron is about a minute, not 30 seconds. Second, you understand that Walt Disney World is located in the middle of Florida, right? You think we call it the "Sunshine State" as a joke? It's hot! It gets very hot. If that bothers you, find a different vacation destination. Because I assure you, it's not going to change. Florida is always going to be hot, rainy, and buggy.

Tron has a huge pavilion over it. You don’t wait in the sun.

Very similar to web slingers

@@ciberdude611 I mean, you aren't wrong. But Disney also has a duty to mitigate that. If the option is a long indoor line or an outdoor one they *should* favor the indoor one. But, that costs money, and requires creativity. So instead Disney is happy to let people line up outside in the sun with little umbrellas and fans to *attempt to* keep people cool. (They use the same strategy in California) It used to be that lines were built to be inside, Indiana Jones at Disneyland, Star Tours (and the adjacent overflow), Space Mountain, etc. The problem is Disney doesn't make lines like that any more and more so, Disney has done very little to maintain crowd levels on popular rides. (So 80% of rides have almost no line, 20% are several hours.) So even lines like Indiana Jones end up with people backed up outside for hours.

@@ciberdude611 no one has a problem with sun or heat, but paying MONEY to stand in the sun for HOURS is not only bad for the park but major brand damage that they WILL NOT find a solution other than charging MORE MONEY for LL. Its infuriating.

don't you disrespect Gadget go coaster like that😂

New kids don't know the Tron IP. Don't care about it

@@LyndsieDances Nope. But I hear a new Tron movie is coming out next year or later this year?

@@flyingfish7787 😆 🎢

The ride is actually very cool and is an intense roller coaster, but it is very short.

The theming in the que is back now! They said that it was only temporary!

i was there during the pandemic when they did away with fast pass but not soon enough for genie plus I had the disability pass yes the wait times are always higher than the wait

⁠@@jonnym4670almost always for sure. I was there the first week all parks were open after the pandemic. While occasionally we did have to wait longer, That usually wasn’t the case. in terms of today, could be longer posted wait times be due to the fact that they want to sell more lightning lanes? Possibly. But more likely it’s to give the guests satisfaction that they waited in a line shorter than what was posted. It’s more for that psychological factor.

There’s one ride where they did the opposite. Splash Mountain would frequently list 2 hour waits, when it was in reality 3 hours. Oh wait, it doesn’t exist anymore. Most popular ride in the park, and they killed it.

@@markx1126 Splash Mountain had frequent delays (Tiana’s has them too but worse) so the wait time on that particular ride was more of a suggestion.

The times are always over estimated. SOP was to have them over by 10 mins but these days it seems like they have them over 20 mins or more.

Let’s hope not….. Lightning Rod is the only coaster I’ve enjoyed by RMC.

Playing Iger's advocate here. (I also think they need to come back.) But, I'll make an attempt. I do want to mention this isn't Fast Pass vs. Lightning Lane, it is Fast Pass vs. nothing. (There is no defense for Lightning Lane.) Fast Pass was at it's peak back when they Kiosks were set up right next to the rides. The only way you could get one was by physically going to the ride. Many were distributed when people saw a long wait and wanted to come back later. Others were just people planning ahead for later during their visits. (At the cost of no more Fast Passes until later.) The benefit is instead of a really long line filled with people, some would come back later in exchange for a short wait. This keeps lines under control. Now the downsides... Those machines were set up at nearly every major ride, often 3+ for each. Those had to be maintained, along with the return time signs and the little tickets had to be restocked. (As well as often including attendants for confused guests.) All of this is an expense for Disney, and if you think Disney was just eating the loss out of the kindness of their hearts, I have a bridge for sale. Those costs would be passed on to customers, $1, $2, $5. Other things went up in price to cover that expense. *In theory* the cost saving from the removal of that version of the system *should* be passed onto customers, but let's be honest we all know they aren't. The other problem with all versions of the system is with an hour return window there was no way to control how many people return at once. The rolling return time helped but if it is 11am you could have people return for everything from 10am to 11am. Maybe that is nobody, or maybe it is everyone at once. There is little to nothing that can be done about that. Disney World would then upgrade their version of Fast Pass to something none of the other parks had. They incorporated the Magic Bands into the system allowing people to simply tap for Fast Passes. This could be done online or at a central Kiosk somewhere in the park. This in theory made things cheaper, though again guests would not get those savings. (Or maybe they do, who knows if Disney would charge *even more* had these expenses not been cut.) This system was fine and dandy while the Magic Bands were free with resort stay. But, once again that is a cost that is passed on to guests. (This time through room costs.) But, eventually you had to buy a Magic Band for $15+ just to access it. (Before they implemented phone codes.) The worst part though of the newer system is the fact that being at a Kiosk no longer was required. Even worse Disney let Hotel guests book Fast Pass days or even weeks in advance. All while maintaining a limited supply for guests. There were days I couldn't get a Fast Pass at 7am because they were booked days in advance. All on top of normal Fast Pass restrictions. The absolute peak of this failure I experienced in 2018 in Magic Kingdom's Space Mountain. The line was moving hilariously slow, so when we got to the merge point I actually counted how many Fast Pass went for each stand by. 70, that's Seven Zero were allowed from Fast Pass and even then it was only after I made a comment about the number we were allowed to pass... just my group. 70 Fast Pass for 2 Standby. It was bad enough that outside the 2-3 Fast Passes each guest got for the day it felt like being a second class citizen trying to get on a ride. (And remember Hotel guests are given priority booking too. Adding to the feeling.) All that is to say, the old system had flaws. *If* they brought it back it would need to be with revisions. Otherwise, it would be better for supply and demand to dictate what rides people wait for. IE. everyone waits in line no skipping. (Disney just hates that because if you are in line you aren't spending money, especially at Disney World.) Were it me, I would return Kiosks to each ride or at minimum each land. You can use phone or Magic Band tech to make the whole process just a tap. You wouldn't need many Kiosks in each location because the line should be tap and go. This means no advance booking, no getting passes by phone half a park away. Maybe you grant a single bonus Fast Pass to Hotel guests that is selected at check in. That I could be okay with. (With the downside being you won't know for sure which park you will go to which day, making it hard to change your mind. Well, if they ever drop the horrible reservation system that is.) They can keep the Lightning Lane infrastructure and just convert the digital part to free. The last thing they would need to do is control the number distributed, something they clearly lack at Disney World. The flow of guests should not impact the wait time of the normal line by more than 10-15 minutes. This is also easily achieved as Disney knows the per hour capacity of each ride. (Say a ride is 1800 per hour that's 450 fast passes max for that hour. About 112 or so every 15 minute period. or 75 every 10 minutes which I think used to be the intervals.) If that isn't enough Fast Passes it is a problem with ride capacity not Fast Pass quantity. (If that many people want to ride, increasing fast passes won't control the wait time.) So to recap, to bring back Fast Passes you would need to. Limit acquisition to a physical location, day of (or in limited amounts at start of stay at Hotel). It is okay to use phone or Magic Band to save some costs. (Phones people have, Magic Bands is a convenience cost.) Finally, the quantity distributed needs to be kept under control. If that can't be achieved it is better to have nothing at all. *Edit: Clock times were turning into timestamps, adjusted so that didn't happen.*

I heard they had a big staff turnover a few years ago... and lost most of the older and more skilled designers.

So do i

Ditto

Same 👑💙🌟🔑☯️✝️🙏

It’s how it used to be still in my mind and will stay that way. We started going to Universal several years ago and enjoy it. Can’t wait for Epic, it will put the nail in Disneys coffin.

That's what she said.

@@RU-vid-tied You beat me to it.

This is sort of a problem with the ride design though, having a ride that’s way cooler at night. The canopy is cool but is it really worth that much more a wait?

Should be an indoor attraction.

Exactly. If this ride was a walk-on, I would have ridden it several times back to back. I do absolutely love this ride, but it’s way too short for such a long wait.

Have you tried Tatsu at Six Flags? How does that rate for you?

@@hamothemagnif8529 I have not. Touring some of the parks like Kings Island and Cedar Point this year. Hoping to get to Carowinds and Kings Dominion next year. Six flags parks are on my to do list too.

Also, the ride time is short. Meaning, it cycles through guests quickly.

They aren’t at Disney right now because the new rides Tron & Tiana’s Bayou are boring not working lots of the time, the old stuff isn’t kept up yet Disney wants more & more money so you can have less & less fun.

They’re not a Disney right now because it’s September and everyone’s in school and working again. Crowds are usually low in September. Also, this guy is lying. I’ve been watching the wait times for most of the day and they have been between 50 minutes and 80.

​@@thefanguy2847lying ? Or just seeing things from a diffrent perspective? Like you and your defence of the corporate rat place

@matthewrowe9903 The different lens is clearly a bias against disney I mean, if you have watched these people long enough it's clear as a day. In personally I don't agree with everything this company does. But I don't go out of my way to just bash everything they do. I would give them more credit if they were actually at the park. And telling us first hand if The rides crowded or not. Because for what I can tell it is If you actually check the app throughout the day. Plus i've Ridden it. it's not that bad. It's actually pretty good. Yeah, it's short and It should be probably longer. But it's not a bad ride and I don't think it's fair to compare it to velosacoaster Not every roller coaster is going to be that ride, Especially in the disney park.

Shanghai also does not have a Space Mountain, and the Tron Lightcycle was meant to be their version.

@@ChienaAvtzon also Shanghai's Tomorrowland is more futuristic & even the soundtrack that is played in that land in that park

@@timslee0618 - Which makes sense, as Shanghai’s Tomorrowland is newer. Tokyo’s new Space Mountain will be ever futuristic too. Paris was smart to switch out Tomorrowland for Discoveryland, as their steampunk version will not date.

@@ChienaAvtzon I really liked the style of the original Futureland. It’s not about what looks the most futuristic or futuristic by 2024 standards. The retro-futuristic aesthetic is charming.

Mmmm it's how ya look at it the outfits that came from it was epic. It should have been the boys line outside of pirates and technically both for Girls and boys

Is that good or bad

Only time will tell but it doesn't look like it's going to happen

Don't count on it.

Blackrock will keep them afloat so long as they agree to keep pushing "The Message". And Disney will continue to do exactly that.

Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain is one of my favorite coasters. One of a kind and fast. Batman is still great. Top Gun at Paramount was very similar. The incredicoaster and avenger tower at CA adventure are very cool too.

I grew up going to cedar point.. nothing like driving over the bridge and seeing the rollercoaster island. It's been 20 years since I've been back. I hope to bring my daughter someday

Not Tiana, those animatronics are expensive.

@@TheParkitect and yet the ride DOESN'T work. Stuff is falling apart, from what I'm hearing

@@shadowbeast2276 Yeah it's cheaply made... not cheap in price tag.

@@TheParkitect and suck, and don't work, and the ride also uses screens and stars a potato!!!

Technically, Americans designed both versions. It was an American product that sold well in China.

No way that ride is amazing

Disney built it for Shanghai, to be their version of Space Mountain. Which is why half of it is outdoors. Since no one in China knew what a roller coaster was, and Space Mountain turned out to be very controversial in Hong Kong.

It does have cool seats, and the Tron theme is cool. Many of Disney’s most popular classic rides are technically coasters - Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn, etc. The issue is that it’s too short, and the theming could be improved to make it more immersive. In short, it would have been nice if Disney plussed the WDW version.

The original movie was revolutionary for its early use of CGI. It was back when Disney was still innovative. There are plenty more obscure IPs in Disney parks. That’s what made the parks charming to begin with. It wasn’t always about milking popular IPs.

I feel that too. But it is just for clicks. When you compare it to something like Seven Dwarfs Mine Train though, which has lines constantly at 70 minutes minimum, and flight of passage at 80, TRON being the similar wait times of space mountain are concerning

1000%

Totally. Who funds this guy? 3-4 videos a day bashing Disney? It’s strange. He’s talented but someone has to be supporting him.

It was 105 to 85 minutes for like the whole afternoon, it was so long that it was at the entrance to the speedway. Also, that picture was taken at night time

Not true, wait times are inflated in an attempt to get guests to buy into lighting lane. The wait times posted in the app and outside the ride are altered by Disney. Pro is right on the money.

Good for you not that that changes anything for those who didnt like it and have issues and are entitled to voice them

remember the lockers???

There are two Tron movies. Soon to be three. The original. The remake. And a soon-to-be-released sequel to the remake. Tron is a great IP. That’s not the issue. Not to mention not everything in the park has to be a well known IP. Splash Mountain was based on an obscure IP and became the most popular ride in the park (before Disney destroyed it). The issue is having a good ride that is themed well. I like the Tron ride as a concept just like I like Seven Dwarves Mine Train as a concept, but in both cases, the rides are less fulfilling than expected.

@@markx1126 No I know that, and agree. I was just quoting Homer from that Halloween episode.

Correct. Ride times are often listed as longer at the end of the night to discourage people from joining right before closing.

Cosmic Rewind is one of the better new rides at WDW. It’s a fun ride with a good story. I wouldn’t say it’s extremely innovative. The roller coaster style is a spinning coaster, which you can find at other amusement parks. And in terms of immersion, other new Disney rides like Rise of the Resistance have fancier special effects. But as a whole package, it works and is a very enjoyable ride.

Gain of Function research provided by US taxpayer money.

Should have made a giant 'grid' room with the cue in air-conditioned comfort being the audience watching those before them ride. A light cycle bumper car type thing? Have it be a continuously operating ride where the individual cycles can be remote controlled by the system when its time for that person's ride to be over. They exit out portals around the room where the riders disembark, the cycles continue on to pick up a new rider and are sent through a portal back onto the grid. Once out there, the directions and speeds are up to the riders. Maybe even have multiple levels like the movie? Now that would be a cool ride and a good tribute to Tron Legacy. Daft Punk soundtrack all around. Cast members lit up as programs. They should be paying me a fortune for this idea.