For merch and info on what we’re about check out Chelseadenofa.com Road Atlanta had some call that had people in an uproar. Let’s take a look and dissect what the drivers did and make some calls for ourselves.
Matt spent all last year shutting down after minor collisions and winning battles. Matt zeroed, made unnecessary contact with Adam, Adam had no boost and couldn't light off (probably why he is running NOS this Orlando event) after he got hit and let off throttle. Clutch kicking hard on that corner is a spin out for sure. I agree with Adam. He had to shut it down. A zeroed driver should not interfere with the lead driver. Matt has a horseshoe up his ass I swear. Lol I'm glad Adam and Matt are still homies after that controversy though. Both great dudes and look after eachother
Adam just got caught up in a new Anti-Flop rule that just like you're saying, comes from how many times Matt flopped last year! Seems like it might be kinda sketchy though. What's he supposed to do? Floor it and wreck?
Bro why do you care live your life and you will be so happy. I see the same kardashianisim with any entertainment lol y’all care about everyone’s life while you neglect your own and wonder why
@@smartiesnestle6679saying a call in sports or motorsports is kinda messed up doesn't mean you have a life. It means you have hobbies. Hobbies are necessary. If it was any other driver you wouldn't be comparing it to Kardashians... But since LZ is big on RU-vid suddenly you don't have a life if you support him or don't support a wack call? You being worried about what other people are worried about seems like you don't have a life... Especially if you're at all concerned enough to comment about someone's online decision or comment. Tryna sound high and mighty while proving you do the same shit.
32:37 Chelsea you talking about low angle reminds me of that time you chucked the car completely backwards at ATL during qualifying. No low angle for 88
They're trying to only OMT good driving this year. Eg: two awesome runs, both drivers did amazing, they can't decide between them, rather than giving garbage runs where guys mess up extra event time. The judges don't want bad driving taking up most of the days event. But.... I definitely see your point lol
I think in drift masters it's who ever zero'd first loses, if it's his own fault. I think FD should have same rule since there's no OMTs in seeding. simply if you zero you lose, and anything that happens in that run after is irrelevant.
@@rickrussell579 I definitely understand that, but they also need to understand that FD has a small audience and when they constantly make stupid decisions off of stupid rules, they chance more people being turned off of the sport.
@@rickrussell579 This is not how judging should be. At that point remove the judges and be radars and lidars at clipping points and outside zones and calculate speed, angle and position and compute a score. Ain't not way you're getting a OMT now.
Super glad Chelsea made this video, because thats just like Justin Pawlak and Vaughn years ago, the famous monster truck Mustang on road Atlantas entry, of Vaughn Climbing Pawlaks car or someone i forget, it may have been Tyler Mcqaurrie . Vaughn had multiple run ins with Pawlak the year before or something where theh would shut it down after being bumped in the door, it got so bad that I remember later that year A mustange climbed another car at Atlanta.. I cant find it but it went against the spirit of drifting, a door bump or false rear bumper gets crinkled they shut it down everytime, maybe Forsberg, but they ended up plowing into eachother and the judges had to rewrite the rules lol
If you want to see Matts true entry, look at his bye run... its just like any other drivers. I honestly think his big swing is to play mind games and sort of brake check the chase driver. Also there is a split second of Forest putting his hand up, good spot by Chelshe
These breakdowns are so validating bc some of the calls live boggle my mind, so it’s nice to know I’m not the only one confused. Also, I’m in Chelshe’s camp about the cursor
Love having Chelsea x2 on the dissect. I appreciate the hot take. I just came off Adam's video but with the detail of what they said in the drivers meeting... that kind of changes things. Still a rough call
Lmao I’m dead. I feel lady chels. The ROTA reference was mad funny because in formula one, the circuit of americas is referred to COTA (coat-uh) and I always thought that was the name of the track for over a year before I realized what it stood for
Adam said that he shut it down because hes running a front mount radiator, and if he had stayed in it, he would have spun around, possibly resulting in Field smashing his rad, ending his event anyways..
@@plumppandaaIt would crush allot of the rad supports, the radiator itself and likely the Intercooler too. There likely isn’t time to replace all of that between rounds
Yup, Matt pushed Adam's rear too far around causing the steering to lock. You can see Adam's bumper gets thrown off and steering locks. In car footage shows steering wheel ripped from Adam's hands as Matt hits him. He grabs the steering wheel but it doesn't move. So like you said if he stayed on throttle the car would've instantly 180'ed causing a crash.
So he choose to lose to avoid breaking his car that would have maybe, maybe, end his event? Weird call... If he doesn't want to compete, maybe he should retire from FD and Drift Master.
Just like Chelsea said, if you watch Adam's in car angle he has one hand on the wheel at the hit, kind of flails and I believe he is being truthful that he would have driven off the track after that point. Hard to judge but removing someone's bumper is not unusual in FD.
I would recommend FD putting in-car cams in all cars. If you see Adams in-car footage, matt being stuck in him on the transition, loaded up the pendulum effect, so when the cars separated, his back end wanted to pass him out. It's controversial to promote damage, and damaging cars in the spirit of "entertainment". Matt field has done exactly what Adam did and shut down in the past when he was hit from behind. Old rules Adam would have won, new rules, Adam looses, that's turds man. I agree a OMT was the best outcome, but the judges don't want OMT's, because it "takes too long" 🙄
They didn't give adam folt because him not getting back on they didn't say anything about that until adam did his interview.. once they seen the interview they used it as the excuse
@@calebcaton773long story short Matt was out so he crashed into Adam. Based on video evidence I don't think Adam could've continued drifting after the hit. I don't think Adam was taking a dive and I don't think his car malfunctioned. Adam's car could not continue in drift directly due to the hit. And no I'm not a subscriber of Adam's channel and I don't like BMW. Lol. I subscribe to Matt, Chelsea and Vaughn. I like Vette, Mustang, most Nissan & Supra.
@@tomjones5974 Oh come on! Adam said he chose to shut it down rather than try to save it. He explained it quite well in his video. He said he knew he could have lit it up and tried to power out but figured it was not worth it because of the complexity of that corner and the possibility that it would still spin. But he literally acknowledged that trying to save it was an option.
Honestly, LOVE the fair and straightforward analysis of all the runs! Y'all definitely know how to do your stuff. But yeah… like what others are mentioning in the comments, I think you guys missed out on some rule changes this year that could've made the LZ vs Field analysis more accurate to the current state of affairs in 2024. With that said, PLEASE keep doing these videos! It's really awesome to see these "driver's takes" on the competition and it brings into perspective what the average fan may not see at first glance when watching. Thank you Chelsea and Chelshe for taking time out of y'all's day to do this 🤙🏽. We appreciate it, for sure 🙏🏽
In conclusion. Drifting in spirit, is not about exploiting rules and finding your own personal narrative in a technicality. Adam's shut down was in fact a flop. However, in the spirit of the sport, both drivers did Zero, and therefore, was left in the judge's hands to give a decision from the first half of the run. Not ideal for anyone, but there had to be a decision. Ideally, it should have gone OMT. This was a great take on the battle. Maybe one day you'll decide to become a judge.
Still blows my mind that FD doesn't invest in in car camera's - literal in car footage can tell you everything you need to know about situations like this.
My favorite is Ryan Sage saying they don't have the resources or staff to be able to add in car cameras. GoPro is literally a sponsor and DMEC seems to manage it just fine.
@@ireeeebzsimple solution, FD is lazy and care more about the bottom line than providing a quality product. They will learn you won't have a bottom line when the product is gone.
@@ireeeebz It just seems super sus, and don't even get me started on the shitty lights on the windshield, they are so delayed showing them on / off the gas they literally shouldn't be used lol. In-car footage would change FD judging forever. No more favorites.
I think the LZ/Field run was for sure at least a OMT Also if LZ is at full lock due to the impact if he continued he would have spun or or had to straighten and reinitiate so I don't think continuing in this situation changes anything. just my thoughts.
I agree with Chelshe... Matt should have stopped after that huge straightening. The hit, regardless of severity, should have been deemed Matt's fault because he had already 0'd out and should not have been a factor at that point in the run. I think that this was one of those fluke things where Matt was able to get back into the chase, which normally doesn't happen after someone messes up that bad. I would say the rules should say that if a driver incompletes in the chase, any contact after that point should be their fault.
The rule book is beyond broken if you can say this is in the rule book because when a zero happens the run is no longer green for whoever zeros and their run has ended when the zero happens so the fact that the hit is even in discussion for who wins or not is beyond delusional and goes against all logic of having the straightening rule because now everyone will go run down the lead driver if the chase driver zeros
Since you didn't mention it, the judges were talking about a directive to NOT OMT bad runs - they want OMT only for good runs that are too close to pick
Hey correct me if I'm wrong but it happened with the Odi-Rome battle. If the lead driver 00's (Rome) the chase driver isn't required to complete the run AT ATLANTA because of the keyhole.
The collision didn’t look at bad on this replays until you watch Adam’s video on his POV, Matt tapped the car, stopped Adam’s rotation then after contact it unloaded the car so where he was turning and if he didn’t let off the throttle it looked like he would have spun out
I think its rad that yall do these together. I havent followed your relationship or these videos, I have no clue what Chelshe knew before yall started dating but if she learned all this just because youre into it, that makes it even cooler. Not many people have a wife or girlfriend who can actually do a breakdown of a sport or hobby their husband is into. Especially this competently. Yall really fit together nicely! And being able to share something like that must be cool. Also I appreciate you always being honest, regardless of who youre better friends with. But it still feels like the LZ call wasnt the right one to make. Especially since Field had already zeroed. I feel like maybe theyre biased since LZ isnt doing the full season but Ive always thought the judges had favorites and let them slide. The problem is, even if they reviewed it afterwards and decided it was a bad call there isnt a way to change that call .. only do better in the future. Of course everyone is there to win, especially with how expensive professional drifting is, but playing dirty or having favorites is wack and shows why klutch kickers, the lz world tour and stuff like that is becoming more popular. Seems like your goal should always be to do a clean run, as close to a 100 as you can and then judge follow for follow. But so many drivers play weird games in their leads. And none of that matters when the judges seem to sorta just makeup rules as they go to fit whatever driver they support or weird call they made.
Love the 4k content man keep it up ! Also I'm 100% on your side of opinion for all the ''drama'' battle , even before seeing this.. I think a lot of people are starting to watch this sport (which is really awesome!) But Don't really understand it properly yet and do some favoritism while watching, And that's okai cause its like any other sports and that show interest ! Anyway can't wait to see you rage in the Porshe man take care.
What does fault determine? I've read the rule book a few times and have no clue why fault is assigned. As a view is nice to know who caused a crash in the judges eyes, but it doesn't seem to play any role in deciding a winner. Thanks for making these videos I don't drive so it's extremely nice to hear an experienced drivers perspective
Adam started to over rotate after the hit. He would have spun if he kept his foot in due to lighting off just before the transition as he would have timed straight after shifting gear. Adam stopped the 'full' rotation and hoped the judges had seen, from a drivers point of view, what happened. I saw the opposite drift by Matt too and was confused the judges didnt.
Totally agree with the analysis given on the lz v field run...however Matt continues to drift and CAUSES Adam to shut down his lead run...Adam didn't shut it down due to mistake or mechanical. This I think is where everyone is pissed with the decision made. Chase driver knowingly 0s and then drives flat out to cause the lead to make a mistake is pure bullshit.. Great show guys big fan
57:14 Odi does not need to finish the lap as the chase driver. When the lead zeroes, the run is over. It does not matter if Odi goes four off or runs a 100 point run after Rome went straight, judges are only looking at the contact and who's at fault for the zero in the lead.
Adam explained it in his video, the impact messed up his car rotation and didn’t self steer to fire off. He would’ve spun and probably get rammed by Matt. Now losses the battle and a damage front rad mount car.
Adam said in his own video the he had to correct his steering after the bump and was full lock and couldn't power out without loosing control and spinning out.. watching the video over and over i can see he full lock at a decent angle. What would have happened if adam ended staying on the power and spinning out?
I mean Field drives straight for ages and then counter drifts and still feel the need to push so hard that he hits LZ. Doesn't make any sense to me at all... Why push it when you know you messed up that bad
Going of of what Mrs. Chelsea said the fact that Field knows he zeroed and just hopes the judges didn't catch it makes Field dishonest to a point.. me I would of slowed still put on a show but not try to win when I clearly lost...
I’m a little unclear on the rule change but I was under the impression a straightening under a certain amount of time is not a zero just a major deduction.
Hey this is a long shot but do you remember an fd battle where you put down a heater lead and spun out after the finish line? I've been trying to find it on youtube to show a friend. Might have been osw or stl. Somewhere where the run ends in a sweeper
I agree adam should have continued but from his side saying he's at full lock and essentially knowing he will over row. Is it really worth the risk of damage or possible injury from spinning and getting run over by the most dangerous corvette?
Whats the likelihood of FD getting telemetry from cars? In this case, they could have had accelerometer data and steering angle from Matt's car when he steered opposite drift. Zero. I feel like streaming telemetry, which isn't hard to do especially on a drift course.
Chelshe's opinion that if a chase driver has already 0'd they should shut it down is based. I see SOOOOO many people overdrive and hit the lead driver after they've already 0'd their chase and it just ruins the day for the lead driver every time.
I don't know the rules 100%, but I feel like it should have been OMT for LZ & Field, just based on the previous round with James Deane, I forgot who was chasing him, but he messed up and then Deane straightened later in the track. So in this run, did the judges not treat Fields straighten as a fault?
I think the car being front rad also has a small part to play in this too. Adam said he felt that car would've fully spun, running the risk of trashing the front end. Saving the car cost him in this case.
one thing to correct you said odi zero'd at the end of his chase against rome but since rome was leading Odi didnt have to finish his run. Thats why he won
This queen and king matches so good an have arguments that each respect and even i have to go back to be completely sure , great vidéo great couple great time! Keep it up each event im watching you lady's and guy ;) love you both !
Iirc, Rome's car was damaged already and the wheel was taken from his hand after the second contact, and he couldn't continue on, I believe he posted in car of it
The only thing I don’t agree with is when Adam got hit I think if he would have fired off how he was going to he would have definitely spun plus cause a lot of unnecessary damage to the front of his car
The only problem with him keeping going is the car is still a front mount rad car so u spin n get get in the front whatsoever ur leaving coolant all over the track
Interesting to see things from your perspective and one thing I noticed you consistently called out and even mentioned at the end is OMT's and that when it's scrappy i.e. a toss up between who made the less mistakes you would wanna see them run it back to get a fair and clear winner. BUT that's exactly what the judges have changed in the rulebook for this year. The judges and commentators have consistently said this year they're NOT giving OMT's for scrappy runs and they're only giving OMT's for greatness. So if we're splitting hairs because both runs had killer leads and chases and did exactly what they were supposed to, the judges will give an OMT. If there's mistakes on both sides and both runs were sloppy, they're not gonna award an OMT, they're just gonna make a decision based on other judging criteria. I just thought I'd mention that cause you don't seem to address that in your vid and it appears you've not watched the full livestreams so you might not be aware. Also Ryan Sage addressed it in a separate vid that the aim of why they're doing it that way is to minimise the downtime of the overall show especially because it's a televised event. So the aim is to keep things moving as much as possible so the event goes at a quicker pace. So because of that the judges are in a pressured situation where they're scrutinising runs even further to reach a result without having to call an OMT.
If a driver FOR SURE obviously zeroes, especially enough for them to know they did they should just shut it down. LZ said that when Fields hit him it lunged the car at the same time trying to shift and he literally had no control of the car for a split second. Fields zeroed, LZ wins. I really hope FD gets the rules and the judging down and consistent one of these days. I've never cared to really enjoy and watch FD religiously purely because those two things are always A) incredibly inconsistent and B) It's ever-changing, new rules, new adjustments every event it feels like.
With the new rules. The OMT is only for good driving. This isn’t a OMT run. But they are supposed to reward good driving and ignore mistakes. Which they did in pro spec. I forgot the driver but he spun coming out of IC3. But still got the win because it was an over all better run. And if they would have did that for Adam. He should have gotten the win.
The other thing about Matt/Adam run that didn’t get mentioned … Straightening must be for 2 seconds to be a Zero. Matt wasn’t straight for 2 seconds, so it’s not a Zero, just a large deduction.
I think they made the right call in the moment considering everything we can see from the outside.. cant say i woulda made a different call in the moment. theres no way for them to see the footage of the wheel essentially ripping out of adams hands in live action. At other tracks that sets a very dangerous precident, not every track is as "forgiving" when you go off. if we remember, Freddie did something similar to Matt at long beach and it sent him face first into a wall. Please correct me if im off on that?
Chealsea what about what the rule says 4.3.2. CHASE DRIVER INCOMPLETES: • If the Chase driver Incompletes the chase will receive an Incomplete for that run, however the Lead driver must continue the finish the course to receive a completed and judged run because he is UNOBSTRUCTED and NOT AFFECTED by the Chase who Incompleted behind him, independently of any other factors.unobstructed
Chelsea just needs to be a judge, his ability to understand car dynamics and drive intention would help keep judging fair. But I feel like judges are always looked at as the bad guys.
No matter how you take what happened and what you think adam did or should of did or didnt do.. the fact they said they made a judgment call from what adam said on his instagram and his interview is a cop out... they made the call before adam made the post or said anything so how can you say we deemed adam at fault because he said he intentionally shut it down... because they didnt know he intentionally shut it down till after they said it was his fault for not continuing the run.. but im sure if he would of tried to continue the run he would of either A. Spun and matt would of rammed right into his front end and destroyed the car.. or B he would of went off course and messed his car up. Matt already zeroed his run. So him doing anything to impeed the lead driver kind of seems like it was intentionally done or just was him being reckless.. which im sure it was both.
I mean I respect the shut down to save the car by Adam being a front radiator car and all the events he has to have it at especially after seeing the in car footage
Iirc odi hit rome twice on entry, and after the second hit when he tried to catch it it gripped up and straightened, but i could be wrong on that. But bits flying off the lead car can easily be seen as the cause of the accident anyways. poor car got hammered that event.
i think the clutch kick from mat when he was already in adams trunk should be enought. Adam should have floored it and spun out to make it obvious to the judges...
I get what he's saying about keep going even after contact it but that doesnt take away from the fact that the ambiguity added to the rules in the offseason allows chase drivers who have a big mistake to disrupt the lead drivers run and get away with it. The fact of the matter is Matt straightened which should already be a zero in a "Drift" competition he then hit Adam weather or not it was enough to matter shouldn't matter he impeded Adam's transition which is Matt's responsibility to avoid. By FD's rules If Adam keeps going but is significantly off line because of the contact Matt caused its still Adam's fault even though Matt caused it, If Adam overrotates and spins because of Matt's contact it's Adam's fault, If Adam does what he did it's Adam's Fault, the only way Adam isnt at fault is if he recovers perfectly. This is an inherntly flawed rule that allows the Chase driver to disrupt the lead driver with no reprecussions. There's no "shared fault" its Squarely Matt's fault.
Nicely written, definitely grey area in the rulebook. I think they want to avoid past scenarios where lead driver won by deliberately spun after small contact from the chase. But they forgot where scenarios that the chase is clearly what causes the spun or shut down. Also removed straighten as zeroed is absurd. Matt straightens and opposite drift, which is a major fault. They should call like 5-minute time out for the judges to properly digest and investigate the run. to avoid this kind of situations.
Is it not the chase drivers job to give way to a lead drivers transition? Considering Adam didn’t un reasonably decel or drop vehicle speed it would seem it’s purely Matt’s fault for being too deep and not giving way to the lead drivers transition.. obviously judges don’t want drivers taking the easy way out and shutting down every time after they feel any minor contact so could be hard to judge for sure. But considering Matt stops Adam’s car from rotating it’s clearly a big enough hit to be Matt’s fault I would think?
