Distributism, Memory, and Evidentialism w/ Dr. Alex Plato

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Dr. Alex Plato is an associate Professor of philosophy at Franciscan university. He has done extensive study of Elizabeth Anscombe, Post-Liberalism, and Epistomology. He and Matt speak on Capitalism, Distributism, and Evidentialism.
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0:00 - Prayer's Repentance Message
5:00 - Defining Productive Property
10:00 - Family's Economic Independence
12:05 - Family Farms' Independence
17:49 - Enemies of Distributism
24:06 - Transcendent good true beautiful
29:56 - Philosophy of Technology
36:41 - Investing righteously
39:13 - The Grocery Box
49:22 - Role of Cities
51:29 - Building for Human Flourishing
1:01:49 - Building a Political Community
1:03:28 - Nature and Grace Distinction
1:14:31 - Feasting and celebration
1:26:36 - Building intentional community
1:38:42 - Technique vs. character
1:41:16 - Impact of literature on beliefs
1:51:24 - Philosophy club initiation
1:53:26 - Certainties and practical beliefs
2:04:12 - Epistemology studies knowledge
2:05:45 - Transition from Descartes to Hume
2:16:48 - Cast into flames
2:29:16 - God's design
2:35:04 - Belief and evidence relationship
2:41:34 - Coherentism challenges
2:46:05 - Reflective equilibrium model
2:53:25 - Disagreement on Hilbert's hotel
2:55:23 - Abductive reasoning vs. scientism

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@greypilgrim9967 11 дней назад

I can feel my brain growing as I listen to this interview

@jennylynn215 14 дней назад

One thing that brought me back to God was The Case for Christ. I went from secular to born again to new age to athiesm and then Catholicism because of the robust discussions like this that I NEED. I am an evidentialist and gained a lot of knowledge from The Case for Christ. Im HOME. 🥰 Pints with Aquinas has fed my soul since I discovered it a few months ago. ❤

@terrynboucher3219 10 дней назад

If you want more to eat, definitely check out Shameless Popery by Joe Heschmeyer.

@andrewbosela764 18 дней назад

Started a group like they are describing back in Jan, 2022. “Inklings of the “place”” is what we called our group as we were nearly 50/50 Catholic and Protestant. Met monthly, 6 month renewal/sunset agreement (dislike groups that linger on beyond their proper time), phones to be left at the door, poem or piece of literature read and discussed, anything written by the group welcomed, oh and a recitation of a poem as the entrance “fee” when attending for the first time.

@Veritas1234 18 дней назад

Dang

@andrewbosela764 17 дней назад

The group has gone to meeting every other week since January of this year

@rs785 14 дней назад

Nnnn

@giannobong6778 8 часов назад

I’m also a member of an identical group called the Inklings’s- cigars, beer, poetry, philosophy, everyone writes as well and brings things to the meeting. It’s been going strong every month for several years, before I was invited. My vote is definitely that they call it the inklings

@CamilaVillaloboss 16 дней назад

I could listen Dr. Alex Plato talk for hours, he is so articulate, please keep having him back!

@benjaminshirley 15 дней назад

This!! As a Protestant I never truly had real assent of will to the Church. I merely leaned in on my own private judgement with matters of religion

@liammurphy3513 13 дней назад

It must be confusing to cite Dr. Plato's academic works. (Plato, 2024).

@xavierburt4218 13 дней назад

Suggestion for the poetry club: “Pints with Plato”

@bradleymarshall5489 18 дней назад

Allen Tate who was a Southern poet and convert to Catholicism stood for the Southern Agraian movement which was the American equivalent of the distributism movement. True American conservatism has far more in common with traditional Catholic thought than most think

@redcatofdeath 11 дней назад

They were Southern sympathizers and/or apologists I believers.

@outofoblivionproductions4015 17 дней назад

I'd love Dr Plato to talk about Thomas Aquinas and scholasticism and how the Nominalists stole the Great Ox's thunder.

@dylanschweitzer18 15 дней назад

They did in one of their previous convos on here

@stephencotter538 18 дней назад

I felt sick with anxiety and uneasiness (in a good way if that makes sense ) while reading Crime and Punishment. It was more intense than the feeling I get watching a horror movie. Edge of my seat. That book is incredible. Thanks to PWA for turning me on to Dostoyevsky. I love all the Brothers Karamazov references sprinkled throughout the episodes.

@pu3he 15 дней назад

> ... putting people over services and products because I think an argument a lot of people would make about the good that Amazon has brought about is I can open up this laptop lid and within half hour or an hour I could build myself a library that would have made Thomas aquinus jealous yes that's incredible. I live in a local village. A wealthy investor (not a local) bought off large swathes of a hill nearby. The steep terrain just below the top on both sides of the hill was bulldozed with large crawler excavators into terraces for vineyards in a matter of months. And then the heavy rains soaked the bare soil on the other side of the hill and caused a slow avalanche that now threatens the village on the other side of the hill. But here's the thing, all these hills around here are all already terraced for hundreds of years by hand. They were just abandoned and slowly degraded by erosion and flora. But transforming the land slowly, the environment has time to adapt. We're just doing so many things beyond our human capacities it's getting maddening.

@socko2085 15 дней назад

Sheesh...talk about nominative determinism. Great discussion as always. Really enjoyed hearing from Dr. Plato.

@carlossardina3161 18 дней назад

I was just thinking that Matt needs to bring Alex Plato back on

@ChristianTheChicken 18 дней назад

An Alex Plato + Tom Ward episode would be amazing.

@Thomasfboyle 18 дней назад

If nobody else thought that it wouldn’t have happened, so in a sense, your thoughts formed this reality we now share

@pajamaninja2157 15 дней назад

same

@giannobong6778 8 часов назад

I’m a member of a very similar group called the Inklings’s- cigars, beer, poetry, philosophy, everyone writes as well and brings things to the meeting. It’s been going strong every month for several years. My vote is definitely that you all call it the inklings

@dylanschweitzer18 15 дней назад

Would love to see dr. Plato and Dr. Jordan Petersen discuss capitalism and distributism.

@vee84j53 18 дней назад

He's one of my favourite guests ❤

@loganleroy8622 18 дней назад

For your lounge you could call it the "Garden of Steubenville". Easy callback to the Garden of Eden, as well as gardens naturally being places where beauty is created through active cultivation of the garden. In this case you would be cultivating knowledge.

@jake6132 12 дней назад

I started a men's reading group a few years ago and it's been very life-giving. We started reading mostly fiction but are moving into more theology and philosophy.

@baileyannross 8 дней назад

I feel like these are big ideas to chew on and I really appreciate Dr. Plato bringing these difficult concepts down to my level at least as much as he could. Thank you PWA for producing this conversation.

@TheDomVerde 10 дней назад

Oh God, to have what Steubenville has all over this country. It is so tempting to uproot and move to Steubenville, but what about where I am? I don't have Christians so much around me, but I certainly do have pagans who are localists/distributist in practice. May God convert us all.

@Crypto_Catholic_Crow 18 дней назад

I’ll come back to this episode when I’ve had enough sleep

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

Smart move. 🧠

@Tman3421 17 дней назад

Can we get Dr. Plato and Dr. Jones together for a conversation? I feel like I could watch that for at least 10 hours.

@phil2d2 15 дней назад

On the subject of technology changing society at the 28:00 mark: Marshall McLuhan said this about the invention of media in the 50’s, “society will create the media which will eventually recreate society”.

@yeetmaestro575 17 дней назад

Never thought Cormac McCarthy would be mentioned in a Pints episode. I just finished “All the Pretty Horses”, and “Blood Meridian” is a true masterpiece, up there for consideration as the great American novel

@kristinwannemuehler9757 18 дней назад

Many Napro doctors would say there are always alternatives to the mainstream contraceptives prescribed to women.

@user-oj7lg5bj3p 18 дней назад

Great advice!

@bobgriffin8306 18 дней назад

Matt, when are you going to get the Dougherteys on? We have heard of them over here down under and want to learn more about how their farming and faith life meld.

@sk8traveler727 17 дней назад

1:34:50 I started a small gathering in college where we would do this every third Thursday of the month. We called it “Man Cans and Poetry”. It didn’t last too long but it was a blast whenever we did it.

@stephaniedorothy6525 17 дней назад

What was that prayer you said at the top of the show Matt????

@annashaffer234 9 дней назад

We named our son after St. Ephrem the Syrian. That was a sweet way to begin the video! (I’m like 3 mins in but I’m sure it’s great.) 😂

@marshallluddite 10 дней назад

awesome

@sw6155 12 дней назад

1:37:42 We need this both south and especially east of the BNA airport here in Nashville metro area!!! 🙌

@anthonygoodman48 8 часов назад

One of the issues with the internet is that it has perversely concentrated ownership. Matt is not seeing it within his community because it is a local community/polity. He is also top 0.1% of content creators so he has no issue with the alogarithms but it’s different for almost anyone else starting out, the cost of advertising is insane and we have done away with localism, this is largely because of not in spite of the internet.

@chase.23 16 дней назад

I want to start one of these men's groups in my city!!

@lesliejamieson6781 16 дней назад

What is the name of the prayer Matt was talking about in the beginning of the interview?

@fotisvon9943 17 дней назад

Im interested in distributism but there arent many good easily accessible resources on it

@nicholasjagneaux 8 дней назад

I feel dumber after listening to this. I mean, I thought I was fairly intelligent; but, this left me feeling like a second grader in an advanced math class.

@rebeccabrowns2063 12 дней назад

My husband and I would love to open a group like this in Atchison/KC area!!!

@samanthatyler6762 18 дней назад

What was the original prayer Matt mentioned right at the start? (like a litany of some sort) Thanks

@jonathanharvey6776 12 дней назад

Prayer of St. Ephrem the Syrian to the Most Holy Spirit

@samanthatyler6762 12 дней назад

@@jonathanharvey6776 thank you

@ryanofsantanvalley4220 11 дней назад

Mens Group for the book orientated boys sounds fun. But what are the more rugged blue collar Catholic men supposed to do? I enjoy philosophy, but sitting around listening to poetry doesn't sound pleasing. Yet I crave community. Any suggestions?

@samuelcampos2642 17 дней назад

That’s a good point here. How to make valuable the chain of value of production. That isn’t contrary to the good of price, because demand has being changing to be more conscientious with the environment 33:31

@samuelcampos2642 17 дней назад

37:10 you can say they are not innit for the money which is not necessarily true. But what you can see is that markets work in a social way. And the conditions that make things hard 37:53 is when governments and big businesses (chronic capitalism) worsens efforts, but it’s not distributism.

@samuelcampos2642 16 дней назад

51:08 but the way to build cities like that comes from the result of a market economy that alllows that. I’m from Costa Rica and live and work in Guatemala and you can’t really build a city like that YET. We have to build a market economy first.

@PoundianAesthete День назад

I'm working on turning Dr. Plato into a Aristotelian-Nietzschean

@yeetmaestro575 18 дней назад

What was that prayer Matt was talking about at the beginning?

@pcplayer9613 10 дней назад

You could call the groups "Inklings", taking inspiration from Tolkien and his group of friends, or something like Pier Giorgio Frassati's "Society of Shady Characters", which he started with a group of young men of his town. Just a couple ideas.

@markbirmingham6011 18 дней назад

Comment for traction

@KEP1983 18 дней назад

Distributism? Awesome. Will have to listen. It doesnt get talked about much but should.

@Veritas1234 18 дней назад

What are your thoughts on how to achieve distributism?

@tomasn4744 17 дней назад

Read Tradition in Action. Distributism is like socialism

@outofoblivionproductions4015 17 дней назад

@@tomasn4744 No. More capitalists and subsidiarity is not socialism.

@Ravageman00 16 дней назад

😢i

@claybody 12 дней назад

@@Veritas1234 Elect people that carry distributist policies. The American Solidarity Party.

@thesipesisrandom4534 15 дней назад

The issue is Usury... That's it. No matter how local or how global the economy is - Usury is the issue. If you have no Usury then good economics will flow. If you continue to tweak and change and alter little by little but keep Usury then it doesn't matter. It will be evil. Economics is ALL about morality and that's it. It's not a "science" that functions outside of morality.

@lawrencesmith43 18 дней назад

Toughest part of small business is finding young people willing to work entry level jobs, particularly in the trades. Hard work. They'd prefer to be a barista in a climate controlled environment.

@catholicconvert2119 17 дней назад

You gotta pay them bro

@lawrencesmith43 17 дней назад

You’re absolutely right. The sole proprietors I know, have margins too small to pay new employees more than minimum wage. They keep their businesses above water by doing the work themselves. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the coming years.

@catholicconvert2119 17 дней назад

@@lawrencesmith43 it’s unjust to pay your employees minimum wage. They can’t live on that. If they cannot afford to pay a just wage then they cannot afford to run a business. That’s all there is to it

@imjustheretogrill9260 17 дней назад

@@catholicconvert2119that’s not accurate. You may have that obligation if they need to live on their own/support a family. There is a place for cheap jobs for high schoolers.

@talinthon760 16 дней назад

@@catholicconvert2119 Not to try and pick a fight, but unjust according to whose standard? The only thing that minimum wage tells me is that this is the amount I must pay employees; anything above that is, and must be considered as, generosity on my part.

@0_3_6_9_0 17 дней назад

51:45 Accurate!

@mashagoepel4000 14 дней назад

I think you're misrepresenting The Grocery Box here. "The only things they sell" (39:20) are not locally produced items. There's King Arthur flour, Domino sugar, Red Star yeast, and Hershey's syrup, etc.. Please honestly represent the local organizations you're promoting, so that people have a real understanding of what locally run/locally supportive businesses can and can't do. If it's not sustainable for The Grocery Box to just sell locally produced items, be honest about that, don't sell your viewers a false view of an idealistically self sufficient community.

@scottsmeltz3585 16 дней назад

I always worry when someone thinks they're going to "engineer" a society, no matter what picture they paint. There are always unintended consequences.

@JustineBrownsBookshelf 13 дней назад

The thing is though, all societies are in fact engineered. Liberalism is engineered; “free markets” aren’t free. Etc. What you’re used to seems natural, but it’s driven by policy.

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

Everything but running around alone in the woods with sticks is "engineered." I'd rather love somewhere engineered by the Church and her principles.

@dawsonehlke1290 16 дней назад

Getting into character is appropriate for reading Shakespeare, because most his works are plays, and the words are spoken by characters with intentions in situations. Not all poetry need be read like that.

@josephzaiger9532 18 дней назад

Like if one of your favorite parts of the week is when a new Pints episode drops 🙌🏻

@haydongonzalez-dyer2727 16 дней назад

nice

@damyankuzmic5605 18 дней назад

Hi hello howdy greeting bless

@wfgstuff8534 18 дней назад

Dude Gabi one week and now a Plato?!?! Getting from Chesterton in Mt. Angel. Didn't realize you were Nick's twin😂

@indy317 16 дней назад

I am about halfway through the episode. Maybe it gets better, but I can only leave the same suggestion I provided when Matt had Dr. Jones: have a Catholic economist/social thinker that understands markets and the economy on to provide a counter point. There are plenty out available; Father Sirico is the first that comes to mind. The combination of constant ad hominem attacks against capitalism (essentially defined as everything we hate about the post-WWII world) and rose colored historical lenses are particularly annoying. There's much to pick apart and the RU-vid comment section isn't the place to do it, but I'll leave just a few examples from the first thirty minutes of the show: 1) guilds were often used to limit the ability for people to enter into labor markets to develop skills in trades and artificially inflated prices. 2) the subsistence farming praised by Dr Jones' is far, far more economically insecure than most professions in today's economy. There's a reason why Dr. Plato's family is no longer working on a farm and he's free to pursue a career in academia.

@BuricIvan 13 дней назад

Couldn't agree more! There's plenty of good candidates, my fav is the guy who has "Cutting The Gordian Knot" podcast

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

He wasn't "attacking" anything.

@somber_whimsy День назад

1:18:00

@AC-sc1pc 18 дней назад

Thursday. Please get rid of the auto focus cameras. That's horrible.

@franciscociddasilva3934 15 дней назад

But how do you redistribute the capital? Distributism needs Socialism to work as Belloc admitted.

@roarkkaufman9339 17 дней назад

28:00 an atomic bomb could be used to destroy large meteors or something to protect earth, but using it on people would always be immoral

@isaacmckenzie5074 18 дней назад

As a Catholic, a Chesterton fan, and someone who has read widely in economics, distributism makes me cringe so hard. At first, it sounds like a good idea. After further study, holes emerge everywhere. Descriptively decent but prescriptively disastrous. I guess it does depend on your 'win condition' though.

@smolbeanna 18 дней назад

I haven't watched the whole video (to preface my question) but what holes pop up in the prescription of distributism? If not that, what kind of economy do you prefer?

@benabaxter 18 дней назад

It also depends on the mode of implementation. An ideal moves the mind to act in its concrete circumstance. Distributism is not some kind of totalitarian ideology implemented from above, but a mode of living where Catholic social teaching is taken seriously. I don't think it's really an economic theory, so much as a an attempt to tease out what is lacking in our particular circumstances and what Catholic social teaching says. I don't know that it goes much further than that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

@davisdrury3339 18 дней назад

What kind of holes? How is it "prescriptively disastrous?"

@samuelcampos2642 17 дней назад

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The problem isn’t the idea per se, but the practice isn’t in any way doable.

@mathematicalgeek8657 17 дней назад

@@benabaxter How on earth will the distribution of say land be achieved to those who have not? The answer is simple. Use government force to do it. It seems to me that is theft.

@grimsithe959 16 дней назад

I don't think that sharing certain fundamentals in common means a capitalist is an unwitting distributist. A capitalist (or some subscriber to a newly invented economic system of thought) could say that it is, in fact, the distributist who is the unwitting capitalist for sharing fundamentals in common with them. Maybe that's a minor point, but it seems presumptuous at the very least.

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

But distributism came first. I can't say my father takes after me.

@grimsithe959 11 дней назад

@@MeanBeanComedy This is missing my point. Nowhere did I say capitalism doesn't take its heritage from other economic systems. But just like us sharing with Jewish believers that the Old Testament is the inspired word of God (among other fundamentals) doesn't make Catholics unwitting Jews because they cropped up in time first, saying that a shared core of fundamentals between a distributist and capitalist makes someone an unwitting crypto-distributist is just as absurd. It also can be construed as condescending, despite what I assume is good intentions from Dr. Plato.

@TriDexterousTiger 16 дней назад

“Passing Peace Pipeline” ?

@TriDexterousTiger 16 дней назад

“Piping Up” also works

@imjustheretogrill9260 17 дней назад

So, distribution is people who can afford to start small business starting small business in their local Community? How is that scalable? Most people can’t run a business. Maybe if the irs was reigned in but you would have to have crazy money to do Matt’s cigar shop for an example.

@zsedcftglkjh 16 дней назад

It's a philosophy for the upper class intellectual.

@prodigaldawtr7907 19 дней назад

What? I forgot and what?

@samuelcampos2642 17 дней назад

Several questions: Who gets to choose who gets who? How wouldn’t that be tyrannical at some point? How does distributions would fix the problem free markets do make work? I’m an economist and catholic and I feel there is a lot of misunderstanding about what allows growth and how it doesn’t go against Gods teaching.

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

It's local. Like a single neighbourhood. Where's the tyranny coming from? It's voluntary.

@user-he5vc6mn3v 15 дней назад

A good Catholic convert from Evangelicalism should know that Elizabeth Elliot, wife of Jim Elliot, is sister if Dr Thomas Howard, author of Evangelical is not enough and Catholic convert. 😃

@klinger800 2 дня назад

As a Catholic org, why do I need to put my preferred pronouns for a membership for ACPA? Quick way to lose.

@anthonygoodman48 5 часов назад

Dawson Europe was built by men working silently prayerfully in prayer, you will never find the perfect community. Start with silent prayer in your imperfect parish and home in your domestic church, and work from there. The medieval guilds didn’t spring painlessly from the dearth of the pagan world.

@TheGringoSalado 11 дней назад

Cities destroy human skill outside speciality. This is why most cannot survive outside a city after 1 or 2 generations

@JustineBrownsBookshelf 13 дней назад

Hurrah, Distributism! There’s a new Distributist party here in England. Small, but green shoots…

@claybody 12 дней назад

The American Solidarity Party.

@mkristof83 15 дней назад

What do U guys call capitalism? 'Couse nowdays there is no such a thing as "free market capitalism".

@MrSmith-zy2bp 15 дней назад

Real capitalism has never been tried before. Real socialism has never been tried before. 🙄 Economic cultists are so tiresome.

@mkristof83 15 дней назад

@@MrSmith-zy2bp If I know the history properly, the free market capitalism has been tried ín the US, ín England. I'm not saying that there was beautiful time, where everyone walked peacefully hand in hend, but that was the real capitalism. What we have now is a sugarcoated communism.

@MrSmith-zy2bp 15 дней назад

@@mkristof83 BS, what we have is managerial capitalism (see the works of James Burnham) and finance capitalism.

@tonyl3762 12 дней назад

Topic of distributism would've been better as dialogue with Trent Horn or Tom Woods. No framework can remove sin. Using government to supposedly decentralize power to families comes with its own risks and dangers

@susanjohnson8847 14 дней назад

Wishing Dr Plato would spend more time giving his students feedback in his classes than sitting here getting noticed. Speaking as a Franciscan parent with a student under Dr Plato.

@susanjohnson8847 14 дней назад

Taking on too many classes in order to increase your income at the expense of your students is not ethical

@susanjohnson8847 14 дней назад

Love seeks the good of the other if I’m supposed to love my brother I would say to Dr. Plato to reevaluate his priorities in this. God speaks to us in our circumstances.

@MeanBeanComedy 11 дней назад

Just message him privately instead of making a public scene, lady. 🙄🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

@theoe354 18 дней назад

Distributism is based.

@7sarahcatherine 15 дней назад

Re: what to call a group of men (or women or a mixed gathering?) who come together to read and discuss great poetry and bug ideas.. Culture Keepers comes to mind.

@7sarahcatherine 15 дней назад

*big ideas 🙈

@jonathanstensberg 17 дней назад

If you can’t see the ENORMOUS difference between Distributism and Localism, go watch It’s a Wonderful Life. Hint: the good guys are distributists; the bad guy is a localist.

@zsedcftglkjh 16 дней назад

Mr. Potter, the globalist banking mogul who brings turns Bedford Falls into a mini Las Vegas, is a Localist?

@alexandersiebers827 17 дней назад

Technique is not limited to machines. The human mind/ technical thinking is the worrisome frontier for this "scientism".

@2amgaming388 15 дней назад

Community building is still so viewed in this country with scepticism, but there are business built off the back of community building, and they will change the world. theconsumerrebellion