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DISTURBING new Protoss strategy. StarCraft 2 (herO vs ByuN) 

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StarCraft 2 Tournament WardiTV Summer Party - herO breaks out the late game strats against ByuN in this slugfest Protoss vs Terran series!
StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - WardiTV Summer Party - ByuN (Terran) vs herO (Protoss) - Best of 5
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@MrGeorgeFlorcus
@MrGeorgeFlorcus 11 месяцев назад
Game 1, that has to be some of the absolute best PvT I've seen on this patch of the game. In a world where Protoss is noticeably underrepresented at the top level of the game, Hero still manages to execute an absolute crazy, high-level game against one of the best Terrans around. Really never felt like he was down or on the back foot, able to assert himself on the map at all times.
@orangepearlf40
@orangepearlf40 11 месяцев назад
HERO was slugging like a heavy weight boxer, just controlling the whole show. Love it!
@lachazaroony
@lachazaroony 11 месяцев назад
Hero is impressive at staying on top of the composition. He seems to always build the exact units he needs for Byuns composition.
@ThiagoIndioAraujo
@ThiagoIndioAraujo 11 месяцев назад
Almost seems that he is a professional player that plays the same game for years
@tpotshax8703
@tpotshax8703 11 месяцев назад
@@ThiagoIndioAraujo Even pros fumble unit composition. Almost seems like their opponents are also professional players that plays the same game for years.
@ThiagoIndioAraujo
@ThiagoIndioAraujo 11 месяцев назад
@@tpotshax8703 couldn't miss the joke, I agree that he is incredible
@josuepereira9782
@josuepereira9782 11 месяцев назад
I like Hero plan He made a good army and instead of trying to push the overpowered Terran defenses, he just took the map and started to save minerals and did not engage in bad trades to preserve his forces. He builds a fleet of 5 carriers. He could go to 10 or 20 but he stopped at 5, and let the Terran build a huge Viking fleet. Eventually, he made a recall push when the minerals on the map were almost done. He lost most of his army but also did good damage. He had 5k minerals in the bank, Byun had 1k. Hero instantly rebuilt his army (Stalkers) tailored to counter what Byun had now (Liberators). He also added Zealots as a mineral dump and sent them to destroy whatever Byun was not actively defending. I think it's stupid as the only way to defeat Terran is for them to not have ways to build an army given how good their defense is (infinite scans, mules, orbitals, liberators and siege tanks) but that's Starcraft 2 in 2023.
@ryanjensen1945
@ryanjensen1945 11 месяцев назад
That game 1 is easily the most fun SCII game I've watched this year, possibly ever. That was incredible.
@novitrix9671
@novitrix9671 11 месяцев назад
HereHERE!
@mathieugaudreault1069
@mathieugaudreault1069 11 месяцев назад
It's crazy how this game still looks so clean after all these years
@markfrantz4612
@markfrantz4612 11 месяцев назад
The first game is why hero is my favorite protoss.
@lachazaroony
@lachazaroony 11 месяцев назад
i always loved the phoenexs to keep the early medivacs honest, not sure why more toss players dont do that.
@00x0xx
@00x0xx 11 месяцев назад
Phoenix is too expensive and near worthless mid-game. Unless your opponent goes mutalisk, it's always a bad idea to built more than 1 phoenix.
@mark11tz
@mark11tz 11 месяцев назад
Early phoenix opening is indeed a good choice but it depends on situations.
@ManDuderGuy
@ManDuderGuy 11 месяцев назад
@@00x0xx Or maybe you're just not good with them. A handful of phoenix can harass workers/keep map presence and provide vision/pickoff re-inforcements as well as provide decent air-vs-air. It's just a matter of being able to give them enough attention and keeping them moving.
@00x0xx
@00x0xx 11 месяцев назад
@@ManDuderGuy I'm good with them, but they are very expensive. 4 phoenix is 600 minerals and 400 gas. That's alot, enough for 2 late game tech buildings. Why would I spend that amount of gas on just 4 phoenix, when I can instead use it for both a templar archive and storm upgrade?
@00x0xx
@00x0xx 11 месяцев назад
@@mark11tz Indeed. I used to do a phoenix opening all the time, it's very good if your opponent isn't doing a fast expand or macro build, or a particular cheese that is strong against an air opening. It works well against Terran, unless they're doing like a battle cruiser cheese. But it's very bad against a macro Zerg.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 11 месяцев назад
Hero uncharacteristically giving up mass gatewayman style for the mech toss and mowing down Byun with it. I think he found a new favorite playstyle.
@florianbielawa2919
@florianbielawa2919 11 месяцев назад
1:03:33 the money shot of protoss lmao
@yugonostalgia8961
@yugonostalgia8961 11 месяцев назад
Incredible play. Her0 almost makes protoss look good
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech 11 месяцев назад
Yet he played absolutely terribly all through the last GSL. What was happening with Her0 in those matches? Against Dark he looked bronze league. Must have been ill or something...
@lijay1
@lijay1 11 месяцев назад
I'd call Hero's first game impressively deliberate.
@Daniel-rd6st
@Daniel-rd6st 11 месяцев назад
I think Byuns one mistake in game one was overproducing vikings. He thought hero would transition into full airtoss, but he never build more than a couple of tempests and a few carriers. The vikings were mostly dead supply which allowed hero to have favourable trades in the engagements. But really cool game!
@mark11tz
@mark11tz 11 месяцев назад
New meta for Protoss. Everytoss: Collect every protoss unit.
@proactivex
@proactivex 11 месяцев назад
I think you might be right but what units should he have invested in ? I was thinking maybe a couple BCs to make hero play chase on defense and then …. What on the ground ? More bio ?
@Daniel-rd6st
@Daniel-rd6st 11 месяцев назад
@@proactivex Thats actually not easy to say. Hero build a very ballanced force with no obvious weakness. Marine/ghost/tank might have worked. But such games are very fluid because hero of course would react when he notices a tech switch.
@proactivex
@proactivex 11 месяцев назад
@@Daniel-rd6st tanks don’t seem viable with all those disrupters and blinkers. It is a puzzle. Hero seems to have come up with a very solid composition.
@Daniel-rd6st
@Daniel-rd6st 11 месяцев назад
@@proactivex True and i think you are right, BCs might have been a good choice, though they also are not great vs blink stalkers, unless mass produced, which takes a lot of time. I think against Heroes jack of all trades composition is no hard counter, at the end it comes down to micro and army movement.
@FilmonGEMZ
@FilmonGEMZ 11 месяцев назад
I want to see that against Maru and then I'll believe this actually works against late game Terran Ghost. Fantastic game!
@LoLoStuff
@LoLoStuff 11 месяцев назад
it's not about ghost, it's about Maru
@FilmonGEMZ
@FilmonGEMZ 11 месяцев назад
@@LoLoStuff yes like it wasn't about Disruptors it was about Hero, but they still had to nerf Disruptors.
@sebastiankrutschoff842
@sebastiankrutschoff842 9 месяцев назад
I love the "I am like everybody else, I ask for likes" into the "I'll probably do it anyways". For some reason I enjoy this approach time and time again.
@davidanderson9103
@davidanderson9103 11 месяцев назад
That first game was awesome! So fun to watch.
@S0re_l0ser
@S0re_l0ser 11 месяцев назад
21:20 that Disco Ball micro is insane! Hero is most entertainment sc2 player in 2023. Always excited to see his games.
@AbzuLifeweaver
@AbzuLifeweaver 11 месяцев назад
Hear me out, forward nexus to recall back to the front after defending your base from a flank attack
@abduktedtemplar
@abduktedtemplar 11 месяцев назад
One of the best matches I’ve seen this year. Love seeing late game matches between pros. Too good!
@HawRazor
@HawRazor 11 месяцев назад
i love it when herO said "its cannon time" and cannoned all over the place
@qwertyui90qwertyui90
@qwertyui90qwertyui90 11 месяцев назад
when was this ?
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 11 месяцев назад
Ghosts should totally be tagged light. They are probably less armored than a zergling
@jean-michellambert8769
@jean-michellambert8769 11 месяцев назад
In game 1: 1. Feels like Battlecruisers for Buyn would have been great. 2. Buyn should have landed the vikings vs the stalkers to get some dmg in instead of losing all units for nothing. Same thing for the 3 liberators vs 3 carriers, he might have got one down if he has just pivoted.
@MrZiva82
@MrZiva82 11 месяцев назад
"I don't know how to decribe it, and that is my entire job" 😂😂😂 never change man, we love you
@whynow4306
@whynow4306 11 месяцев назад
The adding of cannons is nice. Give P some time and not losing base to some 8marines +2 marauders... also it bridges the early middle game when T has just superrior firepower. On the other hand it can slow down the entire game
@JSs586
@JSs586 11 месяцев назад
Looks like Byun is playing out of his comfort zone, like experimenting with mass liberators or ghosts.
@mIKEAleph1
@mIKEAleph1 11 месяцев назад
What an amazing first game!!!! I'm still shocked... What a wonderful play from Hero! Beautiful thank you...
@elgar7252
@elgar7252 11 месяцев назад
Always fun to see non-Zerg games :D Could definitely see Byun's wrists bothering him again, I wish he'd take a break to let them recover a bit so we don't lose the madlad himself.
@proactivex
@proactivex 11 месяцев назад
thank you winter. made my day, just a little bit better.
@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ
@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ 11 месяцев назад
Wall of photon cannons and baterries is new? I've been playing Protoss like this since the inception :D
@Aidendvd
@Aidendvd 11 месяцев назад
Winter - You have singlehandedly got me into Starcraft and made it a part of my daily routine. I only get to watch about 20-30 minutes but I really enjoy them. I wish you could make them a little more condensed but I dont have any good idea how to make that happen. Enjoy them all the same.
@CarlosPerez-kj6dq
@CarlosPerez-kj6dq 11 месяцев назад
I treat each match like multiple episodes. Each day a different game of that match. That allows me to condense it to 15-30 minutes.
@JacksonJoseph-Eugene
@JacksonJoseph-Eugene 11 месяцев назад
very impressive first game ! using that recall to reposition his army on the offensive. it takes balls
@AlexCatable
@AlexCatable 11 месяцев назад
Small satisfaction from noticing the lack of Extended Thermal Lance long before the player and commentator and waiting for them to catch on. Anyway, great games! A pleasure to see Hero strong again.
@laytonmiller5865
@laytonmiller5865 11 месяцев назад
The fusion core fanfare kills me every friggin time. I love it so much hahaha
@l4unchp4dgaming38
@l4unchp4dgaming38 11 месяцев назад
I feel like Disruptors at the highest level are just a trap against Bio. Especially against players like Byun. It seems like storm is just better in every way.
@joethestrat
@joethestrat 11 месяцев назад
I feel like Disruptors provide an immediate threat of harsh damage, while storm is obviously more time-based.
@W.W.81
@W.W.81 11 месяцев назад
Incredible match, many thanks!
@kirahelfire6240
@kirahelfire6240 11 месяцев назад
Awesome AWESOME cast! 500,000 thumbs up!
@Monkey21111
@Monkey21111 11 месяцев назад
ByuN not on his A game here, he played as if he was tired.
@jasonmoore442
@jasonmoore442 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for casting that series.
@benolzinoproductions7110
@benolzinoproductions7110 11 месяцев назад
i like the music choice for these. makes it more intense.
@jawnsolo0
@jawnsolo0 11 месяцев назад
Winter said “social distancing” and I had a whole flashback. 😮
@Dragooncore
@Dragooncore 11 месяцев назад
@WinterStarcraft 40:00 Oh! You should've said "He's not gonna make it off the dance floor"
@angelcolon4306
@angelcolon4306 11 месяцев назад
"Yeah all of the cannons, that is most of them." 😂
@Sivart343
@Sivart343 11 месяцев назад
Mechtoss is an interesting style. I enjoy watching it. Even more I liked Hero's bet that he could replace his units faster than Byun could. That's a play I'd never have thought to try.
@KaiserFlash
@KaiserFlash 11 месяцев назад
I forgot about mules being able to mine gas lol. That was indeed a weird time.
@misha49ish
@misha49ish 11 месяцев назад
"Does anyone think Ghosts should have Stem?" is going to be in my nightmares :/
@evernewb2073
@evernewb2073 11 месяцев назад
it's almost an actual question: so many required tools are in the ghost that it's basically just straight up game if they die or loose their energy, while their autoattack is actually pretty decent what that would mostly amount to is the ability to bleed energy off the medivacs to make ghosts snappier for a few seconds. a better question would be "how can we take some of these tools off of this unit so that they are no longer just straight up required?" but giving them a risky tool to make them less derpy honestly sounds more like blizzard's style.
@JG-ti7id
@JG-ti7id 11 месяцев назад
As always ty for your hard work and dedication!!! glhf fam :D
@Baleur
@Baleur 11 месяцев назад
"Bee-yunn" played a great game today!
@KimmyR3
@KimmyR3 11 месяцев назад
lmao 39:04 halves every toss unit's HP in 1 EMP, yes it's not deadly, totally balanced
@jadejohnson4930
@jadejohnson4930 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for all your hard work!
@Thundermikeee
@Thundermikeee 11 месяцев назад
Game 1, "what did byun do wrong?" - well there was that one time he lost all his Vikings to stalkers, allowing Hero to go way more unchecked with his carriers than previously. Not sure how much that factored in, but he never got up to that many Vikings after that.
@KawaiiSoulB42
@KawaiiSoulB42 11 месяцев назад
where the war of the worlds meme with the colyss-eye as the face? XD
@Cawfeesomething
@Cawfeesomething 11 месяцев назад
49:13 Nice GoT reference
@luisg8873
@luisg8873 11 месяцев назад
Anyone notice at 57:00 the tectonic upgrade for tempests doesnt work when the CC is flying. It only aplies yo structures on ground
@luisg8873
@luisg8873 11 месяцев назад
Also at 1:02:00
@nevecatalani8721
@nevecatalani8721 10 месяцев назад
Tectonic means relating to the structure of the surface of the earth
@realdomdom
@realdomdom 11 месяцев назад
I rate the amount of memes in this video as sufficient. Good video.
@thecaneater
@thecaneater 11 месяцев назад
42:25 Trippy water bottle.
@MattMarshallUK
@MattMarshallUK 11 месяцев назад
That game 1... wow! Whilst herO crushed in the end, there were big trades in ByuN's favour which made it so exciting. Peak SC2.
@natecw4164
@natecw4164 11 месяцев назад
That thumbnail tho 😂❤
@bryanarms788
@bryanarms788 11 месяцев назад
Someone might help and steer me away from such foolish thoughts, but i wonder sometimes how useful liberators are. I've seen their usefulness, but i also see them sit as idle supply, and how long it takes for them to get set up, and i wonder how that gas and minerals might be better utilized as a battlecruiser.
@alosrocks
@alosrocks 11 месяцев назад
Her0 is the best protoss I’ve seen. Using different units correctly is not easy as it seems
@psluxton
@psluxton 11 месяцев назад
Protoss Cannons? About ******* time!!! I put 6 on every entrance to every area (and ramp corner) all over the map, every time. They are such a time/supply sink for players to deal with that I've had many players RAGEQUIT just trying to deal with the "cannon-clusters", gifting me a W. They attack ground AND air, don't cost all that much in small clusters, and totally screw up people's attack plans giving your maxed army plenty of time to reposition. Nice to see the Pro's using tactics I used 12 years ago!! 😁
@kylestubbs2520
@kylestubbs2520 11 месяцев назад
Stimpacks would interfere with the psychic ability of the ghost, hence why they don't have them? Another awesome video by the way!
@qwertyui90qwertyui90
@qwertyui90qwertyui90 11 месяцев назад
watched the whole thing, where did i miss the cannons ?
@DarkKash
@DarkKash 11 месяцев назад
Game 1 was INSANE!! I wish I could play toss that well hahaha
@WolfGangDealers
@WolfGangDealers 11 месяцев назад
That thumbnail looks like the custom maps i would make.
@tehbunnyboy911
@tehbunnyboy911 11 месяцев назад
I never thought carriers would ever stand a chance against late game terran... Guess Hero (and Byun) proved me wrong.
@WineGravybeef
@WineGravybeef 11 месяцев назад
love you winter, keep that chin up my man.
@ghoultek3994
@ghoultek3994 11 месяцев назад
@WinterStarcraft: You mentioned Zest at 32:56. You go on to praise Zest. Bro, please put a link to a playlist of you reviewing some of Zest's greatest wins and losses in the video description box. Keep us hooked into your content. Its been 8 months since I've watched your content and man, it is still so entertaining. Please keep up the great work. Hey Jimmy... What!... LoL.
@DrownedInExile
@DrownedInExile 11 месяцев назад
Awesome!
@pogiman
@pogiman 11 месяцев назад
wow that was a real GG
@SuperG0alie
@SuperG0alie 10 месяцев назад
Does this mean that Hero actually used controlled groups for a change?
@kristoradion
@kristoradion 11 месяцев назад
Wow the first game. That's how to beat T with P!
@Talentaire
@Talentaire 11 месяцев назад
Love the playstyle of hero !
@89Brandon08
@89Brandon08 11 месяцев назад
Watching Terran turtle and lose is like watching a 2 IQ bully get his ass beat. Very satisfying
@Venom-kf6jp
@Venom-kf6jp 11 месяцев назад
instant like once I heard "I'll admit I'm filling time here" crippling honesty just like myself lol.
@janhejcman
@janhejcman 11 месяцев назад
I thought it was a repost of my BLH 😂
@brycecox8249
@brycecox8249 11 месяцев назад
That first game was a stiff arm, well said winter
@IYPITWL
@IYPITWL 11 месяцев назад
The disturbing old potoss strategy from Starcraft 1.
@Deadeye64
@Deadeye64 11 месяцев назад
i was obliged to stop mid step to walk to my pc and comment "wut?!": 39:51
@Neon_White
@Neon_White 11 месяцев назад
Are my eyes fking with me? The Colossus beams seem longer.
@Zulu4impi
@Zulu4impi 11 месяцев назад
OMG😮 I hope Byun sieges that reaper wall off... 💫🎯💫 Hero a master class of PvT
@Malakai2004
@Malakai2004 11 месяцев назад
Am I the only person that didn't know you could put a force field on a bunker? Does this so units from entering and exiting it?
@MrSpleenface
@MrSpleenface 11 месяцев назад
You can force field any building. It’s saved me from many a baneling bust lmao
@jeremyduke4938
@jeremyduke4938 11 месяцев назад
Ghosts should have stim, but it only reduces health.
@HyperFocusMarshmallow
@HyperFocusMarshmallow 11 месяцев назад
New Protoss strategy that was invented in 1995…
@spencerbeard3904
@spencerbeard3904 11 месяцев назад
If I played SC2, I would go nukes every game
@excuseyou1526
@excuseyou1526 11 месяцев назад
Nukes are purely cosmetic in SC2. Fickle to deploy, slow to launch, easy to telegraph and counter, damage comparable to a light tickle. It's the sort of thing you try exactly once just to realize why nobody uses them outside of the pro scene.
@AXharoth
@AXharoth 11 месяцев назад
man hero makes disruptor look broken
@KumarBendrake
@KumarBendrake 11 месяцев назад
Now that you mention it, why wouldn't ghosts have stem pack? Makes no sense.
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 11 месяцев назад
It seems rather incompatible with snipe though
@NewGrow-kb1bg
@NewGrow-kb1bg 11 месяцев назад
Underwater is just maximum rain
@widowmines231
@widowmines231 11 месяцев назад
was the 10 range colossi bug in this series?
@dustingmorgan
@dustingmorgan 11 месяцев назад
ah yes, the counter to cannons.... nukes
@mohamadambrose8717
@mohamadambrose8717 11 месяцев назад
juz bout to go to sleep.. and this notification came.. 😢
@phoenixmaggiore3120
@phoenixmaggiore3120 11 месяцев назад
Sending zest my chaos from afar ;(
@AdvantagePlayer
@AdvantagePlayer 11 месяцев назад
Sometimes Hero plays like game 1. Sometimes Hero plays like a bronze league hero.
@SuperG0alie
@SuperG0alie 10 месяцев назад
Astounds me how pros do NOT saturate forward bases as a priority. PiG has been preaching about this for years!
@sonicflash5090
@sonicflash5090 11 месяцев назад
Great match 1 from hero
@Neon_White
@Neon_White 11 месяцев назад
Certified banger.
@mikegarue5584
@mikegarue5584 11 месяцев назад
What is it no attack 20 min
@dreg9124
@dreg9124 11 месяцев назад
her0 gonna keep toss from being buffed -_-
@LordTelperion
@LordTelperion 11 месяцев назад
Go Hero!
@allhailderpfestor4839
@allhailderpfestor4839 11 месяцев назад
I blame Hero and MaxPax for preventing Toss from getting buffed.
@angelcolon4306
@angelcolon4306 11 месяцев назад
Stim ghosts would be almost as bad as early broodlord+infestor
@jonsolo32
@jonsolo32 11 месяцев назад
This shows the potential of NOT using shield Toss strategy. I wish more Toss players would play this aggressively.
@AbzuLifeweaver
@AbzuLifeweaver 11 месяцев назад
Reminded me a lot of Zerg gameplay
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