DISTURBING Protoss strategy has returned. StarCraft 2 (new patch) 

Also Oliveira tapped out in game 3 because he knew Stats got at least a dozen workers out of the base, but had ZERO workers left. Even if they had equal armies at that point, even with 800 minerals in the bank, Oliveira was restarting his economy from ZERO workers. The game was very over. Edit: Basically I think the moment Oliveira took out all of the Nexuses and Stats wasn't revealed, he knew Stats had a base that could mine.

@@ElysaraCh bueno, los trabajadores hicieron la diferencia porque el protoss saco unos cuantos a tiempo

Definitely the best game I’ve seen in a long time, usually in fights that are as drawn out as that you see a player make a drastic mistake trying to come back from it because they get overwhelmed but they both just slapped each other over and over. It looked so evenly matched, I loved it lol

Game 1 was some outstanding starcraft. Pmconstant pressure making teaching not viable. Nice game.

Is this America? Oh I'm sorry I thought this was America

Correct

It's sad to see 2 ghosts for 4 supply total taking out close to half of the HP of the 100+ supply toss army with 2-3 EMP while 5 disruptors for 20 supply basically only even traded out for 20 ish supply of bio.

@@bluerendar2194 aparte que ese se puede esquivar estando atento, contra el fantasma no. Espero mínimo a que agreguen buffos al disruptor como mínimo una mejora que incremente la velocidad de la bola o alcanze

Ghosts OP like always.

Seriously, are you attempting humor or are you operating with a vision problem, my friend? LOL??? Jokes..... No actual fighting happened on Stats' part, just the poking-and-back dance until the Terran crept up to the same supply. It's almost as if he was doing it on purpose, waiting for Oliveira to hit max supply before engaging in a fair fight. I must admit, the utterly groundless drivel and remarks people throw around here regarding the Protoss being weak and the Terrans being overpowered, and not considering the gameplay or the player, that's the real juicy stuff!"

Maybe not 0 vision but like 1 vision so they still fire if you step on them like you'd expect of a landmine. It isn't like losing widow mine drops would exactly make Terran incapable of harassment. They'd still be able to do that just fine. You also wouldn't have to worry so much about random widow mines being scattered about to make the opponent keep watching for them nor would you have to worry about stuff like oracles or phoenixes happening to fly over them except when near the enemy base. I like the idea but never going to happen. Only Protoss and their tempests get that sort of treatment.

Just delete them. Shitty unit that’s disgusting to watch and play.

Yep make Terran unplayable

@@geuros I'd argue that with no widow mines at at high level, Terran has a little bit worse harass than Protoss due to oracle harass. Medivac harass, however, would arguably be still much better than warp prism harassment once you start to get your bread and butter upgrades. The Terran units kill the probes faster. Yes, the warp prism can warp in but if the Terran kept around as much investment in marines as a Protoss needs to in stalkers to defend a medivac with marines or marine/marauder, a warp prism would be pretty hard pressed to manage to actually warp in inside the base. Just to use the games here as reference, I skimmed to the part in game 2 where Stats spotted the widow mine drop. He chose to have 5 stalkers in the main. If we go by supply, that'd be 10 marines. If we go by resource cost that's 17.5. Whether it'd be 10 or 17.5, I think that'd be more than plenty to deflect any warp prism harass. When it isn't widow mines, the defenses vary but they tend to still be in the 4ish stalker range. Furthermore, Terran commonly sends multiple medivacs. This is not so for the warp prism. So I'd say that even if you removed the widow mine from the equation, Terran's ability to harass Protoss still exceeds Protoss' ability to harass Terran for the vast majority of the game. Note that for purposes of retreating over widow mine cover against banelings, reducing the vision range of widow mines wouldn't disable them as you'd still have the army. The main effects of reducing the vision would be to handicap it against oracles or phoenixes outside the Terran base (because inside the base, they'd have the vision from the SCVs and buildings) and to handicap widow mine harass. Which I might add, would still be doable as long as you keep the medivac in the vicinity. If the Protoss targets the mines, the medivac is fine. If they target the medivac, the mines will have time to burrow because they're not being picked off. This is a significant nerf but as discussed earlier, Protoss already spends more on defending non widow mine drops than Terran would theoretically need to spend to defend any common Protoss mineral line harassment. So I don't think that such a nerf, heavy as it would be, would remotely make Terran unplayable.

​@@NevarKanzakiagreed 👍.

Oliveira is honestly not that good, just a mediocre player that had a good day that one time. Terran is just disgustingly overpowered, having accumulated buffs over many patches while the other races keep getting core units nerfed

And the messed-up thing is that this scenario of P having superior economy but needing to spend it all into flooding just to stay alive occurs far too often.

A 3-3 protoss lost a battle to a 3-1 terrain "same tech". That's tha way things roll. ¬¬

Right?! Die freaking OP bio Terran!!! XD WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!?!

You guys don't understand protoss. I am a true random player I play all 3 races, protoss is a race to the late game or a incredibly inefficient mass ball of tier 1 units. Protoss is able to use its chrono boost to push out like 60 probes in the time it takes to push out 40 scv. This gives them an incredible advantage .

Overall, PvT has perfect 50% balance at pro level. Non-pro is never taken into consideration RE balance. However P is a bit under-powered at the very top in the Premieres, while dominating the Majors.

They can just delete ruptors. Kinda trash at this level and dumb in low level. Not fun imo.

yeah what you need is something like a mid/late game upgrade at Templar archives or twilight council that allows centurions or sentinels (campaign units, basically enhanced zealots) and dragoons buildable from gateways, so you have a reason to not keep them in warpgate mode, or just give them the option to queue stronger units but can only warp in weaker ones (zealots, stalkers, sentries, etc.)

@@chloesmith4065 This is an excellent idea imho. I was thinking something similar. Need something late game to summon stronger gate way stuff. The ability to call in BW-level Zealots or something :D Those Zealots in BW were manly af.

@@_Kroaken_ Agreed. It is their feeble attempt at bringing back the Reaver, but their pride was too hurt to just bring it back after removing it for no reason. Hence the crappier Disruptor was conceived XD

Quien diría que el terran está tomando el clásico A+Click 💀

We should remove Terran race at all once for the self-serving protoss player like you mate. It just shows how much issue you have with anything that goes against you. Instead of reflecting on yourself you just keep complaining and crying like a dog, as if Terran has ruined your life, they pop up in your dream and burn your house? LOL Jokes. Just sad to see you in such a state. Get a life, Mate. Shit doesn't just go your way when you complain. As I told you before, go sign up as SCII development team or balance council and make these changes yourself. Protoss players, it's time to face the facts or you can get stuffed. Once again, we're presented with a game that underlines the near parity between Protoss (P) and Terran (T). A quick look at the trade statistics tells the story - Protoss may lag slightly in trades but maintains firm control over the map. Game 1: Self-explanatory Game 2: 37:22 and 37:52 I don't know what happened there, he literally just A-moved or didn't do any control on the Colossus at all. The Colossus was left alone targeting randoms, instead of getting the observer up, he just gave up the game for no reason. Let's also not forget that cannons exist and only cost 150 Minerals and can be built at any time, it only takes like 1-2 seconds to micro. Game 3: Self-explanatory and remember that Protoss is inherently designed for quicker expansion and production than Terran and such is evident here. So, there's no need for baseless claims that comparing a 5-base Protoss to a 3-base Terran/ 4-base Protoss to a 2-base Terran or base units are challenging. That argument is just invalid and it's not even funny anymore. More like an excuse to make yourself feel better. Let's drop the complaints and excuses for the present or future patches, and channel your energy into improving your Macro/Micro/splitting control. Rather than relying on A-move, please just reflect on yourself on what you could have done with your losses. Again, the fight is not about just A-move and who did a better job with the Macro and micro, who did a better job expanding and building a larger army, who did a better job building the "specific" units at a certain point of time in the game. It's also how you position your units across the map. Like literally every single unit including your buildings counts, every mineral and gas, every movement, and damage input or absorbed. Last but not least, how you outplay your opponent psychologically. nonapa.com/mmrranges nonapa.com/balance You'll see that the majority, or at the very least a significant portion, of Grandmaster and Master players are Protoss, boasting win rates consistently exceeding 50% against both Terran and Zerg. This fact already exists since the past seasons. So come on mate, stop crying for F*** sake.

You're making it out as if Stats made no mistakes here. He had a massive economic lead, he should have gotten more tech he refused to use much, actually have continued defensively playing expansion game that won him the first 15… But his worst mistake was his as soon as the point of the game went where the first army was launched at each other, Stats couldn't help but overreach everytime. Even when he had a small victory attack, let's go here! Nope, and the squad dies. And he did it over and over, instead of you know, actually allowing that superior economy to fully exert itself to max? He would have maxed out much faster than olivera, but wow. Stats, you're the best defensive Protoss. Not needlessly aggro.

I think your statement shows you don't watch many pro games. Stats harassment game was weak and it showed that he's still finding his vibe after being away. You do know that number of expansions alone doesn't mean anything? He didn't establish an actual eco lead until the late game. Upgrades matter less if you fight into a huge concave, are behind in army supply and fighting defender's advantage.

​@@adrianbundy3249 I am making what out? I can make out with you if that is what you are into, Brother. LOL. What am I supposed to gather from this? My apologies, I'm a bit unclear on your message. It does seem like you're reiterating that Stats missed a lot of opportunities to be aggressive in his attack despite having a clear economic and supply advantage. Those brief 3-5 second skirmishes hardly qualify as a substantial engagement. He consistently maintained a sizable 20-supply lead but opted not to fully commit.

Is it desperately needed? Yes. Will they ever touch Terran’s core composition the same way they did to baneling/disruptor? Probably not.

@@laureloneiros1500 Haha its good to dream but i don't think it will be addressed either. On another topic Microsoft bought Blizzard ... maybe they will give sc2 some fresh love and start working on sc3 ... or maybe they will just let the franchise die. Who knows what the future of this game will be. Lets see. 😅

This is such bad news for gaming. @@CAILZZZ

@@laureloneiros1500 Really the main thing that needs to be urgently dealt with is the widow mine. If anything needs a double-nerf it's that ridiculous unit. The ability to one-shot AoE workers *and* do massive single-target damage? It's a comeback mechanic even more broken than the Disruptor ever was. Splash should be 35, no bonus against shields. No idea why they have three times the HP of a baneling either.

@@user-nh2bf4to7g Agreed ! Mines are NOT fun, don't require that much skill, and not only they're realtively cheap, but their single target dmg is able to one shot way too many units ! A big nerf to them would be to make their atk cost minerals, similarly to a Reaver Scarab ...something like 25 minerals x atk !

Aiur I hardly even know her

Tyr aigna

Aiur

Aiur is Just her in general 🤣

This game is wilder than african savana

which is good actually.

@@Ockerlord si, aunque el problema es que el protoss no puede cambiar otras unidades, debido a que el terran domina en esos modos

Wtf you consider 95% chargelot/stalker army with 4-5 disruptors to be high tech?

​​@@geurosDisruptors are a Tier 3 unit - they are high tech. Either way, the point he's making is that even if you make a more highly teched army, Terran is still capable of defeating it with a low tech army.

@@mckendrick7672 yeah try getting 10 thors, 20 tanks (120 supply of high tech units) and watch them getting destroyed by chargelot archon or even just pure chargelot. Or pure ling. Unlike Protoss that can play vastly different styles, there's only MMM+ghost+viking/lib for Terran so I guess unless you give Terran something high tech that doesn't require wrist breaking micro to deal with Protoss, you will have to accept that it's okay MMM can beat disruptors for the price of carpal tunnels of the Terran pro...

Give me Zeratul disruptors from co-op and maybe they'd be worth it now for their supply cost. :)

@@azuma9047 algo rotos, pero más o menos se justificaría si tiene mejora y un aumento en costos

Imagine you didn't have to split from guided missiles that not just dmg your army but kill everything in range

Nose si el EMP cancela eso

EMP drains energy so you wouldn't be able to cast guardian shield - but if you precast guardian shield before you get EMP'd, it starts up and stays up. In fact one of the only buffs to Protoss this patch was a +2 second duration to guardian shield, so it's easier to start it before a fight begins. And yes, an effectively +2 armor / +2 shield upgrade aura helps a lot

That would just compel Terran to make more ghosts to EMP and render them completely useless.

Yes but...do the chickens have large talons?

Why?

you're really really really really REALLY underselling idra

Yeah that was CRAZY!

Watches vid of recently returned protoss beating the World Championship Terran. Scrolls past countless comments of Protoss whining about terran even after protoss wins the set. Still manages to write a sarcastic comment about terran. I'm so surprised.

@@tiibagstyler6556 lol you upset lil boy?? Even had to like your own comment 🤣😂

@CoronaHoax-nd2rr Accident. But yeah, that response about sums up the average intelligence of your comment whining protoss main. I can't wait to find you on ladder F2 a clicking 50 stalkers into 4 siege tanks and then all chatting about how broken terran is.

@@tiibagstyler6556 I dont play sc2, im not a child. RU-vid alone is enough of a waste of time. Grow up

@@tiibagstyler6556 Truth is terran is op, you know it, you're butt hurt and you clearly need to man up if youre still wasting your time playing video games