One thing about the start, Menthar has Herbalist, which is one of the best ancillaries, heals a lot of the first casualties you take in the battle, which encourages using cav or better infantry to open the battle, as they are healed if you have lots of men otherwise in your army. Put that to your main army's leader in the beginning, saves a lot of money and turns recruiting, and waiting for replenishment. With Menthar's low Command he rarely ends up being your main general in early armies so the ancillary goes to waste if you don't swap it.
I love the additions and new barrack system you’ve guys have done for dunland, but I can’t help but point out the all over the place designs of the Ubers and other units. While I can understand a want to spice up the faction and it’s design, and allow it to be decent in late game, the designs are too “advanced” or well not visually identifying as what dunland is usually seen as. The unit that I can’t stand in my opinion the most though is the dunhird berserkers, they’re basically Mayans and Aztecs from base Med 2, not at all looking like even other dunland early units. Honestly, if the Uber tier was just toned down, and more in line with the warband units and what Rohan actually looks like, it would be good. I don’t know if a lot of people agree or not, but hopefully you take some of this into account for the future.
Technically the uber tier, which I think mostly refers to the Orthanc units, are composed of soldiers with arms from an exterior faction, that being Saruman. The other uber unit in my mind, are the Heralds, and they are meant to represent Dunlands power after taking Edoras from Rohan. They represent the combined skills of Rohirrim and Dunnish smiths to my knowledge, though I could be wrong there. I do see your point with the berserkers, perhaps too much warpaint? I do enjoy their utility as a glass cannon armour piercing unit.
@@Augimund I'd say it's the paint, the very different heads (especially the lack of beards) to the rest of the faction and the very clearly aztec styled club and shield. Changing them to use the same heads as the rest of the Dunhird units alone would help make them feel less jarring if that were possible, I think.
I really like the celtic inspired look. very unique and i think works well with dunland. both geographically, with their words, and in context with their rivalry with the germanic and anglo-saxon like Rohan.
Very big work guys😊 But for my opinion - Dunland rodster in 4.6 was better styled - more near for books/films info (new pictograms more Scotland, then middle earth) And 2 part script - "clan" for one and "Edoras" for another, was more logical. But its my opinion - you guys works great, thanks for it!
Midle Earth is based on Anglo- Saxon England whit a bit of Scandinavian things. Scotland whit be a good thing ( for instance the Elves where Welsh and Rohan is a bit like Ireland ) The curent Dunland looks more like the Russian principalities or the Kievian Rus, which is not good.
@@stefankatsarov5806 Disagree. Helmets with a half mask are just more Scandinavia than Rus', but here at least half of the fighters have them. Peaks, as well as hexagonal shields (more often round or drop-shaped shields were used) present here are also not typical for Kievan Rus. More like the armor of Kievan Rus, the armor of Rohan is just like. But this is my opinion, and it is a personal matter for everyone.
Dunland is brokenly op (especially if you fight against them since AI gets 3-4 times more units for their income) I honestly think they should be tuned down a lot since they completely break the overall balance and number system (why should Dunland sometimes have more armor than same tiered Dunedain units ) :) Other than that, awesome video as usual! :)
The abundance of pike units is the most OP. If the pikes worked as bracing and only applied when standing still they would be ok. Now pike units can march right through most units causing mass casualties, even while assaulting through a gate. My tactics to defeat them was to hire pikes as merecenaries and beating them with their own units.
If you tune down the longspears they'll play similar to goblins until late game. They have too much attack and i would say even the wulfguard pikes are too strong as they outclass tharbad and this is coming from someone who likes dunland V4 and V5
schiltrom is great at taking cavalry charges, but is weak against archers and other infantry. I believe it also gives a boost to morale and prevents flanking. Essentially emphasises spearmen's existing strengths and weaknesses in combat. Biggest issue with it IMO is that as a static formation they can easily be ignored/bypassed.
I dont know if its just because ive played so much of 4.5 but i havent really like the changes ive seen so far. Maybe i will just need time to get used to it, but honestly i would have preferred things staying the same (units, scripts, basically everything i gameplay wise i feel like i prefer the old style) and just having changes to reforge the kingdom of arnor and some other flavour things. Side note specifically as dunland, they were always one of my favourite factions in 4.5. They have always been super easy to beat the campaign with. I'm a fairly mid level player and struggle with most factions, but could easily paint the map brown with dunlend. All that said, I'll have to give it chance, but personally I'm not sure about of some of the direction changes.
About the Dunlending Raiders, notice that the upkeep cost isn't that much more so always go for those instead of Clan Axemen, morale also is a big deal. They are reasonably good with that huge pool of 190 men and shield of 4 looks good on paper at least on those numbers.
Hey, quick pronunciation tip for LOTR, the dh that appears in place or peoples names is pronounced like a th sound, for example, ost in edhil is ost in ethil
Goblins are stunted, bow-legged little guys as opposed to the strong legs of Dunlending men, used to running across hill and forest and plains and bracing pikes against strawhaired ponylords. Also the pike man animation in Med2 is faster than normal lol
Freca should have the Stalwarts as his bodyguard not the Harriers. It's not like the Stalwarts are particularly overpowered elite cavalry or anything for their only cavalry general to have the inferior version. Well actually because of his upgrade path I guess it's fine for him, somewhat, but he can still start with the Stalwarts and upgrade to the same ones he currently does which I think would still be better. However this issue is not just with him but for various generals from all factions. I really dislike generals that have tier 1 bodyguard units or super squishy tier 2 ones like Lurtz and his Berserkers . Tanky/ranged Tier 2s are stretching it and Imho should only be kept if said units are unique(as in no tier 3 or above equivalent in said faction), which will most often be javelin throwers(mounted and dismounted alike), horse archers, etc. For all other units if there's at least a tier 3 equivalent than the bodyguard should have the higher tier unit not the lower tier one. Now if it's a question between a tier 3 and a tier 4 than the tier 3 is acceptable for the lesser generals so to speak, the main ones should always have the best possible bodyguard unit for its class in a given faction. As for Dunland being 'too elite' now, I disagree. Yes they have quite a few elite units now but they're relatively low tier of elite units. Like the Wulfguard Pikemen for example which is certainly a powerful elite unit but is nowhere near as strong as the High Elven/Dwarven/etc equivalents. The same goes for most if not all of their elites too, so I don't actually mind their slightly higher elite quantity as their quality tends to be on the low side(for elites that is). Moreover they only have level 3 Blacksmith, or 4 if you betray Isenguard, whereas most of the other factions have at least 4, the best ones having 5 or 6 which makes a significant difference too.
Welcome back after the schooling. Hoping the finals went well. What's your thoughts with splitting Dunland into a sort of 2/3 subfactions? Reminds me a lot of anduin
I have to say I love the new look of late Dunland units. And I don't get why some people say it doesn't make sense, as the Dunlandings proved themselves to Saruman more and more he would continue to outfit them, to me that makes perfect sense.
I think it’d be cool if you can unlock the Uber tier units and have Isengard plate by either capturing Isengard or by getting the ring causing Saruman to become your faction leader and uniting with Isengard might be easier to just give isengard itself then vassalize the rest.
Tried dunland recently isenguard did absolutely nothing and rohan declared and attacked in the south, gathered too many troops from north and got attacked by moria and even rebles took a village off me. Damn you saruman!
In custom battle Dunland has access to some of the Enedwaith elite units. How are they accessible in campaign (Dubhsithe units and Enedwaith Guardsmen)?
Honestly i dont know if Im just not used to it but i really dont like the new models. Low-tier units look like some sort of blend between germanic tribes and indians from north/central america. Elite units on the other hand are mby bit too much armoured and colorful to the point where it does not feel like Dunland. Also some armour choices (especially helmets) look kinda goofy and ridiculous. Feels like it should have stayed the same, but maybe i just played too much 4.5
I’m glad a lot of the factions other than Gondor are getting some love, they really need it. Gondor are just good at everything and I don’t really like it. Other factions should have better units than gondor and dol amroth sometimes.
If anyone sees this, if you want to still be able to produce orthanc at edoras and byrig whilst betraying isengard you must complete and win your assault against them in 1 turn. You must break alliance, assault, and capture isengard all in the same turn or you will lose those recruitment spots to script. If isengard is dead prior to script being able to implement. It will not run.
The slingers also have a problem of line of sight, if they don’t have a direct line of sight they will not fire it seems. Put a waist high wall between them and an enemy and they don’t even try
Love the new updates & additions. You need to spice up the factions. They are still who they are. Just now, a lot more fun to use. Otherwise, they are dull & you just spam troops. Hard to take on other factions if you don't have fun roster to use.
