DIY DECK Part 7 | Building Stairs

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Learn the math and design strategy for building a wide set of stairs for your raised deck structure. Simple tools and a little know how and you can get the math perfect and level.
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@chrisnomad Год назад

Thanks from New Zealand! You have a nice way of explaining things

@123steveholt 4 года назад

Hey just wondering what you attached the top of the stringers to, like what’s behind those vertical boards?

@tannertidwell3523 2 года назад

The rim Joist that goes all the way around the perimeter of the deck

@KevinMichaelMichael Год назад

I had the same question. He wanted to use the rim joist as the first rise, so he mush have had some extension hanging off the rim joists as it didnt appear deep enough to mount against.

@joevaldivia6733 Год назад

Never taper your step in toward the house always taper them slightly down and out. Why didn’t you use the complete 2x6 to hold the stringers that you would secure to the ledger board?

@driveman6490 4 года назад

9:05: when you need to drive a screw in another state, but dont want to leave home.......Jeff has your extension bit.

@rondimassi3943 4 года назад

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@caseykeyser3840 4 года назад

Hahaha

@jtltet 5 лет назад

It's a circular saw, not a skil saw. Skil is a brand name.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 5 лет назад

so is kleenex , do you go around asking for facial tissue?

@scottveilleux3629 5 лет назад

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY HA! Kinda like sawzall...no one says "reciprocating saw" some people...

@mountmorris774 4 года назад

Hmm foundation on blocks. Not good.

@seymourscagnetti1413 2 года назад

This is the first video that I have watched that explains the 27 rule. I had no idea it even existed. Jeff does the best job demonstrating how to build stairs as well as explaining why they are built the way they are. Jeff is legit. I would trust this man to build just about anything for me.

@Jeff82556 6 лет назад

Another great video but the ending is exactly where I wish a video started. I'm unsure about the proper placement and height of the 4 x 4 posts, rails, etc. These are my next steps awaiting while I'm idling in neutral and watching RU-vid videos like yours.

@MichaelHill-f3l 6 месяцев назад

Your total rise was 39.5 inches. Can you please explain how you came up with 7.25" for each individual stringer rise? Thank you so much.

@stephensnaith6210 2 года назад

Insightful video, but you forgot to mention to drop the stringer by the width of the stair tread. With a 7.25" rise while using a standard 2x6 for treads that are 1.5" thick. The bottom riser should be 5.75" high.

@christoperburke8380 4 года назад

Still confused I guess its me these guys are pros they rush assuming everyone's a pro too. I need a slower more in depth video. But man your sure good at what you do.

@gmoney1181 4 года назад

Yea he left the part out how to finish the last step to the floor with flipping the framing square to get the angle on the floor

@robtien7 6 лет назад

You should actually have the strairs sloping away from the deck rather than towards the deck to assist in water drainage

@dalepres1 4 года назад

Never slope any stair down away from the riser - especially an outside stair that gets wet! Do you want to fall on your ass? I've been on steps like that and the fall on the stairs left me hurt for a week. Jeff did it EXACTLY right! Some will say just do it level, and that's basically OK, but a very slight downwards slope into the riser on an outdoor or deck step prevents you from sliding off of a wet step and allows for the invariable settling of landings at the base of outdoor stairs. The treads will drain water just fine.

@robtien7 4 года назад

@@dalepres1 1:100 fall over the length of a tread is completely negligible in relation to slip resistance. I was taught in trade school to always slope away from the risers and im yet to find one resource on the internet that supports your argument. You can clearly see he doesn't have water drainage in the forefront of his mind with the way he attaches the ledger to the deck frame without any drainage gap. Is this just an opinion of yours or are you actually a qualified carpenter? I am happy to pose this question to a carpentry Facebook group im in and we can let them decide?

@kumarravi3 3 года назад

The 5/4 deck boards have a tiny space in the middle. It will drain just fine.

@joekind1 6 лет назад

Yes, you are also correct. I got confused because were working backward. You started with the tread dimension, not the rise. I think if you find the rise first it is easier. Try it using my formula, you will like it better.

@erickaufman4674 3 года назад

What if I’m doing wrap around stairs on a 16x12 deck. If the ground slopes away from the house, but my deck is built level, I would need to compensate at each stringer until I got out to the edge correct?

@johnnybarbar7435 6 лет назад

Why use the square to mark each stringer and risk slight differences when it is so easy to trace the first notched stringer onto the others and end up with identical stringers?

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 6 лет назад

either way you will end up with slight variances.

@Framer_Mike 5 лет назад

To each their own..

@taymac8136 Месяц назад

Deck looks nice but screws to attach the stairs is bad practice they have no shearing strength its should be nails or structural screws

@davetaylor2449 6 лет назад

Rodents will get in under this deck, and not because you left a hole in its perimeter, but because this is what rodents do.

@anandachariananda3748 Год назад

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@BEYKNIGHTERS 4 года назад

how did you attach the stringer just at the bottom of rim joist ?? whats is holding the top portion of the stringer ?

@edsainz1549 5 лет назад

QE Chingon este Viejo Muy intelligent enseña muchos trucos I love this Channel

@NoMoHo 5 дней назад

3:40 The 27 rule is (2 x Rise) + Run = 27. Not 2 x Run, standard stairs don't even fit that rule (ex. 7 rise, 11 run). (2 x 11) + 7 = 29

@karllove57 7 лет назад

"A little overkill" he he he my fault is that when I build anything it can withstand a nuclear blast. ..;-) Or so people say anyway.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 7 лет назад

When it comes to stairs I like to make it solid like a rock. There is nothing worse than that feeling that the stairs might break under your weight.

@skylark4901 6 лет назад

My motto - When in doubt, overkill or when in doubt, remove all doubt! I am the overkill king as long as it doesn't cost any more

@gwarlow 4 года назад

skylark Overkill (by definition) will always cost more, but it is worth it to have rock-solid stairs.

@r1ashad 3 года назад

I'd love to see your take on a DIY video removal of carpet from stairs and putting LVP flooring on treads to modernize and updating look of stained wood railing/ wall stringers.

@robertcasey7312 3 года назад

Amen,!

@ozm8642 4 года назад

How far is the bottom sitting on the deck. And do u just subtract one riser from top if starting beneath deck surface

@terryferan9028 4 года назад

Informing the viewers that you need to deduct the thickness of the tread from the bottom riser is an important omission.

@bcoutts2782 4 года назад

Terry Feran: I just scale plotted my stairs & found this same issue. Good call!

@nunyabisnis1448 4 года назад

and also the thickness of your riser material "if covering the risers" from the back of the top riser against the deck squirting !

@terryferan9028 4 года назад

Nunya, I suspect you are thick in all the right places..

@terryferan9028 4 года назад

Caliente Nevada Paul

@tomvandervoort2437 2 месяца назад

Why did you not use end cut preservative?

@blitzit222 6 лет назад

Every time I see a video of someone using the type of tool that I own I get all excited. Great video!

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 6 лет назад

Very cool peter. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!

@chrislee9963 6 лет назад

lol...

@dennismitchler4508 4 года назад

I also have the same measuring Tape. Got me all excited!!!

@rodralph824 4 месяца назад

Jeff, I need to build stairs that are 30 inch wide but slightly offset from the deck to avoid hitting my well casing. Do I just angle the stringers ? Rod, Golden Lake

@jackdaniels2905 5 лет назад

10:36 that's what she said.

@SkinnySkinch 4 года назад

😂

@peterkonik4262 2 месяца назад

This is old stail I do 8"x10 3/4"

@SWATT101 3 месяца назад

Awesome I have to probably sink piers approx 3 feet to bedrock...the first rise will be the height of the Sonatube... measure 12 times cut once lol

@86309 5 месяцев назад

how do you know if you should use 2x10 or 2x12 for the stringers (7 step) and how do you know where to start your first step from the top (making your first lines) because that determines your run?

@Lemoi73 8 лет назад

Ah! Thank you! I never knew the numbers involved, so couldn't tell what would work and what wouldn't.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 8 лет назад

I prefer a shorter rise and longer stair on a deck but it helps to have lots of room for it.

@gullenator1 2 года назад

Isn’t rule 25, not 27? I think outside of 24-26 it starts becoming uncomfortable?

@stuckster 4 месяца назад

Thanks Jeff. Would loved to have seen what the top of the stringers was screwed into. Did you add any additional blocking or timber below the rim joist, behind the deck skirting?

@hudsonja 10 месяцев назад

Great explanation. For all you DIYers, wear some hearing and eye protection!

@chris14388 Год назад

About to build a set of stairs off my deck onto my concrete pad. For the stringers to attach to the deck there is currently only 1 header with no room for a second as the joists butt right into it. Will i have to pour concrete for 4x4 posts to give it the strength or is there an easier way around it? Maybe put blocking between the joists to act as the second header? Excuse me if that doesnt make sense im just the home owner not the carpenter lol Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

@daveengstrom9250 6 лет назад

Youi made a mistake. Measuring the total rise is from FINISHED height. The way you did it, the top step will be greater than the others.

@logmeindangit 5 лет назад

If he uses the same thickness tread as the decking, it all works. If he uses different thicknesses between decking and stair tread, then yes, he would have to allow for that on the top rise calculations. If he used 1" thick decking and a 2-by tread (typ. 1 5/8" thick") He would attach the top run on the stringer lower by 5/8", the difference between the tread and decking thicknesses. That would keep the rise between the deck and the top step the same as from step to step. Does that sound right, or is it the meds talking?

@Bluecollar711 Год назад

I would like to talk to you

@octiman2997 Год назад

Good job, framing the stairs, but that is not a good fixing or attaching to the deck. Needs to be attached much better.

@adammacer 3 года назад

Nope, building platforms on platforms is NEVER a good way to build a stair. If you really can't work out a string then stacking boards the same width as the rise and strapping them together would be as easy, FAR quicker and less wasteful..

@jonlaughton7689 2 года назад

I cut my stringer 7" rise, 10" run and put a level base of patio slabs but the steps are not level- what am I missing?

@kevinosborne4133 5 лет назад

hes a pretty good builder but a terrible teacher... He has made this more difficult than it actually is. he makes a person trying to learn this more confused. how to... the general height (With installed decking material) for instance... 24" (2ft) divide that by the amount of steps (You can guess) i guess 4. now divide that number by 4... wolaaa 6" 6" rise 11" run. now go out and by some 2x10 or 2x12 and waist some material trying to cut stringers lol

@ActinOut Год назад

Didn't you loose all your support on both sides on the steps where the posts are placed? Unless you attach support to the post for the stair, most of the sides of the steps will be floating where the posts are.

@joeolejar 2 года назад

I like the way you describe the steps of the project that instills confidence in me when I do my projects.

@tomshannon213 6 лет назад

What material did you use for the stringers? It looks like red cedar...is it something else?

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 6 лет назад

pt sienna brown.

@adamcollins5631 3 года назад

You failed to mention how you finished off your stringers.. To your viewer's thst are trying to figure out how to start and finish their stringers, %99 of these RU-vid videos are practically useless, considering rise and run is the easiest process as far as stringers go. Create a video covering the top cut as well as the bottom cut.

@oneaboveall1895 3 месяца назад

bros got master teacher

@tom73055 Год назад

What did you do at the top of each stringer ? Looks like you added a 2x4 and notched it .doesn’t that change the tread depth?

@jjrockjon8610 3 года назад

Before I start any project, I look for Jeff's video. Saves me so many frustrations. And money!

@craigcolbourn8351 10 месяцев назад

👍🏻great vid Like how you braced them together

@logmeindangit 5 лет назад

You didn't add any support for the bottom step's front tread board against the inner edge of the post? Seems weak to have just a small piece at either edge of the tread extend to the outer stringer. Also, I didn't see any rot protection on the boards. It is standard practice to use exterior-grade pressure-treated wood, then paint rot inhibitor on all cuts before assembly. Planned obsolescence? (Rot faster, replace more often, keep a carpenter in a job.)

@chrisbranch86 7 лет назад

These guys need more Subs! Such great information! I'm currently working to fix the sub-par work of a good for nothing contractor and this video saved this novice carpenters life!

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 7 лет назад

Happy to help Chris. Thanks for taking the time to comment on the video. This is what drives growth in the channel.

@chrisbranch86 7 лет назад

Keep it up!

@dalepres1 4 года назад

Over a million subscribers and over 500K views yet less than 3K likes. People really need to show the courtesy of liking the videos they watch.

@Lemoi73 8 лет назад

I had thought that cutting notches into the stringers for the steps would weaken the structure. Could you please elaborate on this? Thank you!

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 8 лет назад

The math is simple really, a 2x4 can carry a 200 lb man horizontally over a distance of 4". on an angle that doubles. In conjunction with other stringers all screwed together, transferring load to each other that doubles again. So as long as you don"t stick over 20 people on the stairs at one time it is quite safe.

@xAnAngelOfDeathx 4 года назад

After cutting the stringers the "meat" that is left under the cut outs is called the effective depth. The effective depth is measured square up from the bottom of the stringer to the intersection of the step rise and run cuts. Your local building code will have requirements for the minimum effective depth, where I am the minimum effective depth is 2 1/2".

@Ratboy2004 2 года назад

Safety first. Safety glasses and clamping wood you're cutting. Safety shoes. If you're teaching, teach right. Otherwise, great info and video.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 года назад

I am more of a safety second kind of guy and production first! Cheers!

@theone1347 2 года назад

You Sir, are absolutely amazing. Love your videos and would love to meet you sometime eventhough I am not in the trades whatsoever. Actually far from it but love working with my hands.

@DOWNMFDOWNMF 3 года назад

Huhh..... I didn't know they have Hollow 1 X 6 deck boards......

@parisamarashi2935 Год назад

Two questions, is it bad to incline towards the deck in terms of water damage. Also, what are you sealing the ends of your pressure treated wood with?

@joe800096 3 года назад

Are you using treated lumber? appears to be of very good quality, better than What I've seen locally

@coachwilson5967 11 месяцев назад

I always enjoy your videos. As an "Owner Builder" of te home I expect to live the rest of my life in I garner great ideas and tips from EVERY video. Funny I live in Reno, NV so Home Reno grabs my eye every time. Thanks again!

@jamesoncross7494 4 года назад

8" is way to high for children and older people. It's above code where I live in Massachusetts.

@BudSchnelker 2 года назад

You made a point about inclining the steps slightly, one degree or so, so that you're not "thrown" down the stairs. But doesn't that promote puddling on the steps when it rains? I thought a cardinal rule was to always direct water away from a structure.

@farmboyhh1 8 месяцев назад

I agree with you that it would probably puddle a bit. My feeling, however, is that if you live in an area which gets snow and maybe ice having it inclined slightly away from the structure may cause you to slip and slide down the steps, whereas a slight incline towards the structure may prevent that and be safer.

@MrDiegogue 3 года назад

Healing through the mind can work harmoniously with medicine.

@allendean9807 6 лет назад

Yes, longer the level, the better.. watched a dude build a deck with a torpedo, and was nearly screaming at my iPad! Great video. You didn’t show your heel cut, and your notches for the cleats, but good job for a guy who’s not a farmer! Lol

@kumarravi3 3 года назад

6:45, did you cut on the line or side of the marked line. Can't tell by video.

@bigslickss Год назад

You’re my hero. I hope that Ottawa building code meets Maryland code bc that’s how I build everything.

@ceobillions1 Год назад

Great video, can you show how you created the notch for the 2x4

@thecanoehead 4 месяца назад

Where is your eye protection?

@russelllangworthy8855 Месяц назад

In Uranus.

@jenniferfarsh675 5 лет назад

How tall is the privacy fence you built? Did you add height with more posts?

@Jdeneik 3 года назад

What if your stair needs to be 15 inches? W 7 inch rise

@billcoley8520 4 года назад

Didn’t you forget the board that will be on the deck?

@jonathanguess4052 7 лет назад

Why don't you cordless tool's

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 7 лет назад

I love the power. And I don't like to spend money on new tools until the old ones are broken.

@dalepres1 4 года назад

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY And every time one gets a good set of battery tools set up the maker changes the battery design and voltage of their newer tools and quits making batteries for the older ones. I still have a pile of Makita 9.6 volt tools on which I spent what was then a fortune for me. Now I have a bunch of 18v Dewalts but can't buy batteries for them locally. When you order them mailorder or online you usually get batteries that have been on the shelf for years - which is worse than having been used for years. Or you get aftermarket batteries with no capacity. There are tasks where the convenience or safety of not having a cord is worth the effort but I try to avoid battery tools as much as possible.

@elazul1328 3 года назад

Im learning english and construction at the time 😎

@jonlaughton7689 2 года назад

you didn't mention what width the stringer should be. looks like 10" . also what if you just prefer a wider step, I like to sit there so I like a full 12.5" run , and a 7.5" rise. is there any reason I can't predetermine that - I know the bottom step may be a shorter rise but don't care as much about that as other factors. good video all the same.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 года назад

the code requires all steps to have the same rise. that is what determines the math. Cheers!

@jonlaughton7689 2 года назад

good to know. thanks.

@gislasa Год назад

What are the names of those dials he put on the square to mark 8" and 10"? Those look nifty.

@srchubz Год назад

stair gauges

@michaelc1042 3 года назад

How did you determine the 7 1/4" rise when drawing your stringer? I thought you determined you wanted an 8" rise?

@MrFlamesfan1212 3 года назад

For one, I think he initially forgot to account for the thickness of the floor boards that will be added to the deck so his original finished height should've been 41" not 40". Then divide your total rise by five stairs which gives you 8-1/5" for each stair (which he probably rounded to 8-1/4" for the sake of simplicity). But that's your finished height so you have to subtract the thickness of the material that will make up the stair treads (again 1") to get your 7-1/4" rise for each stair.

@jamesclarke9149 2 года назад

Very well explained my friend. Great help watching how it's done

@karlacruz7172 4 года назад

Where are you a contractor? Can i hire you? Seriously i need help

@messenger8279 5 месяцев назад

Why is it in the US you cut all the strength out of the stringers and are left with almost nothing to support the treads. Why don't you trench the stairs into the stringers it's far stronger. It also looks far better.

@FloraandYuna 3 месяца назад

Snow & moisture collect on stairs sandwiched between stringers. Open stringers allow tge stairs to extend past stringers & aid in drainage

@13squier 20 дней назад

This is a Canadian channel.

@geoffmaxwell4461 3 года назад

Hey Jeff - Cheater question.. Can you simply raise the grade at the bottom with some screening or something if the prefab stringer comes up short?

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 3 года назад

best to use a concrete block or paver on limestone screenings. Cheers!

@byoutoday6700 4 года назад

What if you want to have 3-4 steps front porch steps with a 29" total rise but can you do deeper treads of 3 composite boards for a 17" (5.5x3 with 2 gaps 1/4") run what should the rise be? will that be a comfortable step or cause tripping? What do you recommend?

@salvatorerizzo8640 Год назад

When you do your math on the rise and run of your stairs that will determine how high and depth wise your stairs will be. Doesn't go by comfortably. Just like building a roof.

@grassabrutta 3 года назад

I think the first measurement is taken incorrectly ... the total rise should be taken from the point of the top of the FINISHED upper surface to the top of the finished lower surface ... the taken measurement here is not from the finished top, but rather from the top of the frame (which will be further finished)

@mattdg1981 8 месяцев назад

Wrong. When framing stairs you always go from finished landing to finish top of framing.

@cliffkolinger395 10 месяцев назад

Definitely prefer the old videos. Thanks

@lornem1160 3 года назад

You're the man! Noah and his ark ain't got nothin on you!

@houseandponds4789 Год назад

It will "work" but it is not correct

@joemilton1010 2 года назад

Are those 2x10s?

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 года назад

yes! but in truth the more gradual the slope the more it is necessary to move to 2 x 12. I ended up adding extra support to that stringer.

@Ceba551 9 месяцев назад

Only video that talks about the tread slope!

@johnsellers2999 5 лет назад

Very nice work brother. Enjoy watching. Always a thumbs up.

@frankminer4061 4 года назад

What....no finished project photo?!

@xcit 2 года назад

Remember back in the day when safety wasnt a big deal. No safety glasses, a cut cord on the skill saw taped w/ electrical tape. Those were the good ol days.

@houstonboy7463 4 года назад

what kind of screws are you using?

@magartus Год назад

Hi Did you use 2x12 or 2x10?

@tennesseemattoutdoors5405 2 года назад

Your Step size explanation was 👍

@MaMa-qh4dy 4 года назад

Jeff, you have a way of making everything appear easy. You are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for sharing.

@philburke1902 3 года назад

That funeral music is erie 7:24

@ladyrenaissance2026 4 года назад

Im making a stairway to my above ground pool. I need 7 stairs so I bought pre made stringers. A 3 step and a 4 step. My question is HOW DO I CONNECT TWO OF THESE

@xAnAngelOfDeathx 4 года назад

Simple answer, you DON'T join two stringers to make a single stringer. You cut the stringer from one length of lumber for maximum strength and you ensure that your stringer material is wide enough when cut to provide at least minimum "effective depth" to meet your local building code. The minimum effective depth where I live is 2 1/2".

@timothydillon6421 4 года назад

With a landing.

@benttwisted210 3 года назад

38 year carpenter here...so much wrong with this & the deck itself! First and foremost, too much meat cut out of the stringers, not enough strength & will not pass any building code, anywhere! An 8" rise is too much, period! 7"×10" is a good place to start, but, if your total rise is 40", then reduce the rise to 6, 5/8" with 10" treads. 2-5.5" deck board treads will overhang enough for another deck board to be used as a riser without ripping the riser. Even still, if your riser board needs ripped in order to create the proper strength in your stringers, then, so be it! Also, never trust an above ground cement post base for your deck, it will sink! Do the work, dig the holes, create a strong & safe deck!

@MrGbastardo36 2 года назад

Always one of these guys lol

@benttwisted210 2 года назад

@@MrGbastardo36 sucks hearing facts, huh? You should go ahead and build yourself a deck like this one. 😏

@MrGbastardo36 2 года назад

@@benttwisted210 you mad? Like he said “old carpenters, have old ways of doing things” 😏

@benttwisted210 2 года назад

@@MrGbastardo36 like minded idiots always stick up for each other. Idiots like this one are the reason decks now have to be inspected in my state! Too many falling apart and falling down because of DIY Johnny thinking he can build something after watching a 10 minute video. I'm smart enough to hire a professional when I don't know how to do something. Btw, there's a reason for the moniker "tried and true", not to mention, architectural drawings and building codes! City inspectors would have him tear this deck down, pull a permit & start over. If you're into wasting your time & money, keep following this guy! Mad? No, the only thing mad about me are my mad carpentry skills & my common sense! Since you're not willing to listen to either, you're the mad one!

@joekind1 6 лет назад

Your formula ONLY works for a 7" riser and a 10" tread.

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 6 лет назад

11" tread 5" riser works so does 12 and 3 ,or9 and 9 or 13 and 1

@huskydog2525 5 лет назад

I usually notch the top of the stringer up under the rim joist then block it from there....I find it to be a lil stronger. But your way works also.....

@gerryrentz8939 7 лет назад

Fantastic detailed video, your efforts are greatly appreciated. One question though I was taught that screws have a very limited vertical shear strength and that either nailing or lag screws or (nailed joist hangers) are the preferred method of joining the stringers to the ledger. Can you elaborate on that. Thanks in advance

@HomeRenoVisionDIY 7 лет назад

truth is there isn't any shear here because both ends of the stairs are screwed in. If you wanted to you could add extra support, however unnecessary. When in doubt go overkill. This is good practice.

@adammacer 6 лет назад

Hmmm, I'm not sure shear is eliminated by fixing the bottom - reduced for sure..