Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to leave such an awesome comment Shay. I'm so glad you like the way I tawk ima git me some of them musterd an french fried pataters Mmmhhhmm. Funny thing is Im toning the muscle shoals area accent WAY down for youtube but I think I'm just gonna let it flow more from now on as people seem to enjoy it. Thanks again.
Thank you Bar Guitar. I do want to be clear that it was in no way a jab at Petey or trying to prove him wrong, I respect him completely. He is a smart guy and has built 20-30 times more stuff than I have since around the time I was born. I knew that if he said to stay away from it... Its a real challenge and by George it really was. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to leave such kind words.
Thank you so much for watching and leaving such kind words Carter. I do like to tinker with things and I love a challenge but this one in particular was just about at the limit of my patience and determination. I am so glad I got it to work in the end.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave such a kind comment Avi bank. I appreciate the suggestion. This turned out to be a very popular video.
Thank you so much Glenn. This one was a whole lot tougher than I thought it would be. Petey is a really smart guy and builds tons of stuff so I respect him totally and I knew there was some reason he warned me about it... but, that kinda just made me want to try it more. The solution was not an elegant one but it did function. Thanks again.
I just want to point out (as a lot of people have) that it seems to be trying to sustain at the harmonic of whatever is being played, in the actual sustainer circuit there is a switch for harmonic or standard sustain that basically flips the polarity of the pickup on the wires (- becomes +) you kinda don't want to ground the sustainer on the guitar wiring if anything keep the wires as far away as you can. I have personally had a lot of success with LM386 based amp circuits for this exact application which runs on 9v, you also get the option of running the pots in trim or wiring them out to the scratchplate so you can dial in the sustain mid bend for example (although personally I'd recommend the set and forget method).
Thank you for watching and taking the time to write such a detailed and intelligent comment Dax. I had a hell of a time trying to get this to work at all. I should have researched the subject before the video to get a better result but I figured id just take a crack at it and see what I could come up with. I have a major amount of respect for anyone that can get one of the DIY sustainer systems dialed in. I truly appreciate the info. I think it will be helpful to many of the viewers that plan on tackling such a project and look down to the comment section and If I return to the subject I will definitely use this information myself. Thanks again.
Thank you so much for watching and leaving the kind words Devil & Sons. As smart as Petey is and with all the 100s of things he has built I knew it would be a tough one... but this was just about at my limit. I'm so glad I got it to work in the end for a while there in the middle I wasn't so sure. If you decide to give it a go, maybe read up on it fist like I should have done... and go in with lots of patience. Its easy to grasp the concept but the execution is the MF. Thanks again.
Great project so far! I've been working on a similar project since like a year and a half ago, so I could make some considerations. First, the sustainer pickup needs to have a magnet too, so to induce a magnetic field into the strings, that will then react to the variable magnetic field from the coil. That's why the blade didn't work quite well. Also, from my experience, higher impedance than 8 ohm is actually better. My last one was over 30 ohm. It'll have also the side effect of making the battery last longer. And you can switch from normal to harmonics and vice versa by reversing the polarity of the signal, either from the input pickup or the sustainer pickup. I'm currently using a circuit around the TDA2822m, which is a sound chip often used in cheap pc speakers. I'm using it in bridge configuration, as opposed to stereo, which would give me 2W in an 8 ohm speaker, but it's working pretty much cold in a higher impedance. I'm still making it work as intended, but that's what I have so far.
That is awesome! Obviously I had no prior knowledge of the project going in aside from a very basic knowledge of how a sustainer system works from memory. I really should have read up on it or watched some videos but I always like to see what I can come up with on my own first and damn this aint easy. Its like trying to ride a unicycle while throwing darts behind you using a mirror. A guy saw my videos and invited me to his facebook forum about diy sustainers and I was glad to see that I was not the only one who had trouble with it but I have learned a little about them since. Like I didnt even know that putting it out of phase is what made the harmonics I just kept changing the wiring until it worked. I appreciate all the advise I will def. come back to this comment and read it again when I try to get a more compact one working in another guitar. I am surprised that you are getting action with such a low wattage I figured I would be able to but with the junky thrown together coils I made it just wouldn't push enough magnetic field with the computer speakers. In fact I was pushing so much into the coil it was getting hot LOL.
@@heavymetalATC thanks for the reply. In fact, the low wattage is being kind of a problem, but I don't see another alternative to make it usable with a 9v battery. Maybe I'll try a tda1013, which is a 4w chip mostly used in old CRT TVs. I'll come back here if I get any interesting results. Cheers!
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment Gieljan. This one was a real tough deal. Its easy to understand but making it actually function is a small hell. Thanks again for the sense of humor and the kind words.
That is frickin cool as hell, is there a way to mimic that effect electronically I wonder like with a few OP amps in a pedal circuit? Im just gettin into effects circuitry so sorry if thats a dumb question.
Thank you Alex. As a kid at the tail end of the hair metal days. I would hear this word sustainiac thrown around and It was a long time until I knew what it was. I think they came in the 80s and early 90s Kramer guitars. Petey has a Fernandes guitar with a sustainer system in it and he uses it in his music to get all kinds of swelling harmonic sounds. Sounds really great this is a kinda pale imitation but I'm just stoked that I finally got it to work right.
@@heavymetalATC sweet. At the time i used a boss pedal that was a distortion sustainer and it was doing the same kind of harmony but built in a guitar is even better
Just get a cheap small speaker (not a tweeter, it will squeak) and attach it to the back of the guitar body, and connect it parallel to the amp speaker, just like you're connecting your thingy on this video. You will get lovely amp feedback sustain. Works even better for hollow / semi hollow body guitars. It is instantly playable and is invisible, no ugly artefacts.
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to write this awesome comment. Great info. I am putting this in my notes.. I may actually make a video about this and if/when I do Ill give you a shoutout. Thanks again.
Thanks for trying I'm experimenting on this too but I can get only 4 strings to sustain (cheap LM386 and driver next to neck pickup) I was about to try amp from computer speaker too but yours not working. well I think I'm going to skip that 😅
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment Puukij. This was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be at first and it does seem that the thicker strings seem to want to vibrate more. I think that if you had a strong enough computer speaker amp it would work but I think a small battery powered guitar practice amp board with distortion and tone controls would be a good option. Thanks again. If you find anymore good info from the experiments and get it working better let me know how you did it.
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment MadDuck. Hey man thats just about right. This was a fiddly mess. I got contacted by a guy on a DIY sustainer forum and once I went in there I felt a lot better about myself. Apparently its just something really difficult to pull off well. It appears to do it perfectly requires a mixture of skill in alchemy, deep understanding of physics as well as electronics and a huge bit of luck. I do admit I shouldve done some research first but I like to just see what I can come up with. I appreciate the support brother I will be back to a regular upload schedule soon.
@@heavymetalATC I can get behind making you own sustainer pickup. I think it's a really cool project if you can figure out all the electronics. But that's the hard part. I have a 2020 Schecter Synyster Gates Custom S with a true Sustainiac pickup, and it's amazing, but trying to understand how it works, is a whole thing in itself
I think the squealing may be microphonic feedback. Maybe consider somehow wax-potting it? Also I wonder if having a step-down transformer (to boost the current) before the driver coil would help. The magnetic field strength depends mostly on the current flowing through the coil
Seems it only wants to resonate at the harmonics. I get the same thing happening with my Ebow clone. Instead of feedback looping, that generates a magnetic pulse and you get an almost instant effect. Have you tried placing it at different places in the pickup cavities?
Thank you for watching and taking the time to respond Tony. Yes I was going for that harmonic sustain like the Fernandes sustainer system but I wasn't able to try different positions due to the signal bleeding into the other pickup and creating a straight feedback (not through the string) like a horrible squeeling microphone type of feedback. that is why I put it so far away but in testing the driver placement did seem to affect which harmonic nodes were. I think if you wanted a straight clean note sustain without the harmonics: using a clean amp without overdrive would probably do that. I was getting a bit of that with the computer speaker amp but it just wasn't strong enough to push the stings and get a singing harmonic tone and when I added a boost pedal to dirty up the signal it just fed back.
@@heavymetalATC Would it be possible to get something like your alumiclone to do it? Or imagine building something into your fretboard, maybe that goes more towards prepared guitar though.
If I did hook that 1 turn coil and transformer to the amp and it drove the strings into sustain without all the feedback issues I think I would cry after all the hell I went through with what I did. Lol I had to remove it to put the other stuff in before I could start.
Thank you so much Barbarian. Do you mean the version by the misfits or the metallica version? I haven't listened to either in quite a while so I cant remember exactly what kind of feedback or harmonic sounds they have in them... thanks again
What if you attached some type of transducer to the tremolo block of a guitar, like a headphone driver, or a dynamic mic diaphram, and run an amplified signal to it so that it resonates the strings mechanically? That way you don't need anything extra on the face of the guitar, and you can use all of the normal pickups that you're used to. I might have the necessary crap lying about to pull this off myself. I only have one pair of over ear phones, that I don't want to screw up, but I have some old earbuds that I'm willing to sacrifice for the cause. I'm thinking I could just use some rubber bands to hold them down tight, and send a headphone out signal to them. Any thoughts? I'm predicting I'll have to find some bigger headphones to sacrifice, that will have more mass and transmit more energy
Dude you just nailed one of the early designs. I saw a little round metal can transducer bungeed to a tele headstock with medical hose ran all into a big mixing console in an old black and white photo. This seems exactly like what you are describing and im quite almost 100% sure you can get that to work especially like way out on the headstock so it has leverage to vibrate and resonate.
I dont think I completely understand the idea. What are the springs for? I do think you seem to be on to something great. I would really like to know more about the Idea. Thanks again for all the comments ideas and communication RAMA.
Thanks Goldeyeball. Thats awesome. It hadnt dawned on me that you could emulate this digitally. I bet that is a really clean note. I'll have to read up on that.
@@heavymetalATC :) i recently watched a 70s blaxploitation horror movie where the zombies had golden eyeballs . those golden eye ball zombies seriously scare the fuck out of me , but not as much as this guys grace in his comment section . nice display of voodoo willpower magic to hit them 8 ohms ... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7RXbfb07r_o.html
I'm gonna have to take a crack at it. I've actually got one of those cheap amp in body guitars. I wonder if the ceramic magnet would have been better though, because the feild strength through the pole peices with the Neo is pretty weak.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Alaric. I guess all I can do is warn you the same way Petey did me... Its a real MF. Having an amp in guitar already should be really helpful. its already set up not to feedback on itself the unwanted feedback was the hardest part to control. I did try the ceramic magnet as well as no magnet and many different placements on both drivers. The ceramic seemed to just not move the strings as hard and no magnet was just squeely feedback city and no effect on the string at all. I wouldn't discount the blade magnet idea altogether. I thing I just over-wound this one. The best way to go may be a hotrails type driver with both coils wound to 4 ohms and put in series like a humbucker it may be able to really pull on a bigger part of the string? dont know but that seems logical. Everything I thought was logical in this experiment seemed to backfire though so??? Thanks again.
@@heavymetalATC If I recall, there's a huge difference in response from phase/out of phase and a few other factors, as well as wanting a short, fat coil. I'll need to make up a bobbin and wind a test.
@@alaricpaley6865 Yes, I found that out of phase it didnt work very well at all and doubled the feedback squeal and in phase was the only way I could get it to push the strings at a low enough volume to stop the screech. If you are going to make up your own bobbin doing a flat shape like a P90 may be the way to go... but this one threw me on every turn so, I guess experiment is the correct answer. If you hit on something magic let me know what it is.
Appalachian accent is what you’re describing and it’s probably got more in color with the old English the first settlers (pronounced seht luhrz) , I’m from East Tennessee but live in north Alabama not too “fur” from the Shoals and people made fun of my country accent when I moved down here from the Cumberland plateau. I just discovered your channel today and I absolutely love this content man you do the crazy stuff I imagine but I’m too damn lazy to do.
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment Addie. I dont exactly why that would be happening but I bet know who can tell you everything you need to know for great success. I found a DIY sustainer facebook group through this video and the guys there know a ton about this syuff and all the problems and solutions: facebook.com/groups/827134577475681
LOL Nice video. Instant ambiant tape loop effects...? Your like a PI, wont give up until you get a result! My accent is Northern (born in East Yorkshire) we would say "AVV" "LAD" AND RAART GRAND" norfolk say "HEFF" "BOOEY" AND "HOOJE". I dont know how it is in your country, but here regional accents are not really as uniquely diverse as they once were (influence of TV and social media I suppose) Thanks for posting a very intersting video
Thank you so much Goldsmith. I didn't know if I was going to get a result out of it or not. I'm just stoked it worked. My dads side of the family was from Devon. I always thought they were Irish until I looked into the old records. "PROEPER JOOB" LOL It does seem that way here as well. The younger kids 16-under don't have much of any regional accent these days just an internet dialect. Everyone is from "nowhere usa" much like the voice I use in the intros. Thanks again.
at 8:00 when it started to harmonize, it might be because you 1) were too close to the 12th fret or 2) you had your polarity reversed. Sustainiacs have a second switch to toggle the polarity and make the effect you just demonstrated. Im planning to make a sustainer with an LM386 amp, but im not too sure about unwounding a pickup. Cool vid!
@@lucasc5622 I saw more videos, everyone winds a coil to have 8 ohms. I thought you could just power a "normal" coil, like a pickup, and have the same effect. I'm not so sure about it now, and don't want to ruin a perfectly good guitar just yet.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave such kind words Pizza Master. This was one of if not the most difficult one to pull off. I knew as smart as Petey is and with all the stuff he has built that if he said stay away then it would be a real MF and it was. Thanks again.
@@heavymetalATC my b pleasure. I love watching stuff like that. U had a problem and nothing was gonna stop you from figuring it out. That’s the shit that separates the men from the boys. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment Virtuoso. Great info, I haven't really tried any more experiments with a sustainer system but I did meet some guys on a DIY sustainer Face book forum through this video if you arent already in this group you should check it out: facebook.com/groups/827134577475681
I know that tune played at the end . Its a Japanese traditional piece called in English " Rainbow Eminates from Rectum ". You must be well studied in your chosen field of music .
Thank you for watching and taking the time to write this hilarious comment George. Made my day... And for my next piece a classic Irish river dance roughly translated from gaelic as "Yo Moma a Hoe" LOL
Thank you for giving it a shot and taking the time to write a comment Wayne. Unfortunately I don't have any instruction on that type of "farming". When I was younger I may have been able to help you with that a whole lot. But... I will say any info you can find on growing tomatoes is applicable. They are are almost 1to1 on what they require to make big fat sticky red "tomatoes" I do hope that you ended up giving the video a fair view as the result was decent in the end.
Thank you. I bought a bag of Super Soil yesterday. Listen to the sustain in Joy Ride by Roxette. What else? My name is one of 11 million etched on Perseverance. A part of me feels back home now. Spanish history from 1492 is hiding gold treasure in BC Canada. I have a wild bird in the house for two weeks now and he won't leave.
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Unfortunately I don't have a schematic for this as it was just a bunch of cobbled up stuff done on the fly for a video but I know where you can get the information to build a much better system than this. I found this DIY sustainer group through a guy that saw this video. These guys know all about these things and will be happy to answer any questions you have or share any schematic or link to amp boards or whatever you might need: facebook.com/groups/827134577475681
Thank you Lisen. I'm just glad I finally got it to operate. It was a fine tuning rabbit hole for sure. I didnt know if it was ever going to work at the 1/2 way mark.
Thats a pretty good thought right there vincent... Im sure it was only so hard cause there is some small detail I wasnt getting correct in some way. People build these things perfectly sometimes but it seems very hit or miss.
@@heavymetalATC I wish I could point you in the right there. I am just a bedroom guitarist with a half made up, subpar understanding of physics and no current access to the tools
That is a great idea. I have thought of doing something similar using sewing machine bobbins. I think it will work out great and you can wire them parallel or in series for different sounds and mount them higher and lower to tune in the string volume and closer or further from the bridge to fine tune the bass and treble of each string when you get into this let me know how it goes and if you record any of it send me a link I would be totally interested in this.
Thank you so much for this suggestion Pablo. I will put this in the note pad and If/When I get around to it I will give you a shout-out in the video I think this will really make a good video and not be extremely complicated so it may jump up the list a few slots.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment Believit. There is a group on Facebook that has excellent info on this subject, they know much more than I do and will be able to help you step by step: facebook.com/groups/827134577475681
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment BFBH! You might be able to mod an e-bow some how to take an input and work as a sustainer? I wish I had just a plane e-bow though. Those things are awesome. I have never understood how it doesn't demagnetize alnico pole pickups though, seems like it was screw them right up?
CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON HOW MAKE GUITAR PLAY IN STEREO AS OPPOSED TO TYPICAL MONO. SO STEREO MOD & MAYBE HOW TO MAKE STEREO OUTPUT JACK WITH FULL STEREO MOD? OF COURSE ONE WOULD NEED EITHER A STEREO GUITAR AMP OR USE TWO AMPS IN STEREO. YOU HAVE THE ONLY CHANNEL I CAN LEARN FROM WITH MY PTSD ASPERGERS & DEPRESSION AS BAD AS IT IS .
stop tapping coils for sound ... use the input jack contacts and good... if it doesn t work there then its kinda useless to start out in the first place
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment Stellarion.. yes, thats a habit I picked up from pickup building I do that to check them before I ever install them and I guess its just my default. Thanks again.
