Our politicians have put out a lot of effort to make sure there are no (or very few) American companies. I guess imports are more profitable when you have the right connections. Many lifelong politicians are multi-millionaires!!!???
Allyse Stefanik is directly tied to Skydio, DJI's lesser competition. She knows exactly what dirty politics she's doing. This bs has to stop somewhere! We have to shed light on these gross people and politicians!
it's just one more law I'll have to ignore. it will cause some inconvenience for sure. I'm just done with stupid laws that negatively impact my life, issued by a government who has lost the moral authority to tell me anything.
@@karthurjr I do understand. That's why I said it will be inconvenient. We will always be able get whatever we want by ordering direct from China, Ebay, you name it. Banning DJI will open a floodgate of back alley sellers.
Not THEIR desks, but their secretary's desk.Who will beech and moan about having to deal with something she can't just 'click away' or ignore and has to spend time opening , reading, and disposing of. Actually more effective that way, especially if legibly hand-written. FWIW this is what a pro lobbyist told me and an activist group I was once a part of.
The drone I have no problem with. The thing that really is a problem is the apps that run on all of our cell phones. We 'sign' a huge contract to play a game or any other function that lets the app have full access to all of our data. My 25 dollar wifi camera uses servers in China as I understand it. Sounds pretty goofy to me. Can they actually produce any real evidence of spying by foreign actors with DJI specifically?
For the record Trump signed a law giving over power to social media gathering your information. Then selling of all you information to third party brokers that sell the information to China.
I think you're correct, Drones give individuals a lot of freedoms and powers. Govt usually doesn't like to give that stuff out freely, because of course they know best and should be given all the power and all the decision making ability.
Thanks for the post and for getting involved. Every point of contact helps and send him a link to the video to help his staff understand what we're up against. Stay tuned for more content on this topic from me in the coming weeks.
In addition to having drone experience, I also own a DJI OM-5 cellphone camera gimbal. If you are going to remain seated in a chair, turn off the face tracking. I thought your presentation was interesting, but I scrolled down below the video so I could make it to the end.
Rick great overview. We have covered it extensively on Rotor Talk Live. Several points. 1. DJI is not going to take this lying down. There are millions of dollars at stake for them. 2. This is not about "national security" but a move by Adam Bry from Skydio to push DJI out of the way. And Skydios drones are more expensive and take longer to be produced and are not as good as DJI (enterprise level). 3. This will have a great impact on farmers in the US as many of them use DJI Agricultural drones. There is no one else I'm aware of that makes them. 5. I see a comprise happening here that will allow consumer drones only with tighter controls on data usage, a moderate tariff on enterprise drones for business use, no tariffs on enterprise drones for first responders. Thank you.
One of the most informative videos I have seen on this subject. Thank you for sharing this information. I wish someone would share a pre-written statement that we could print out and sign to mail to our state representatives and maybe another one we could copy and paste into an email to send to the same people. That way we could inundate them with this information. I would try to do it myself, but I think someone like you that has all the pertinent information in front of them would do a better job at putting those thoughts into a well written letter.
Don't think the current drones that have FCC acceptance will be bricked. New drones that are going to be sold in the US will not be granted FCC acceptance and therefore will not be allowed to be sold in the US. That is what I understand. Obviously it is being pushed by certain people who have a vested interest in making sure DJI lises market share to competitors they have invested in.
@@dheller777 no mater what even if the drones we own now aren’t grounded it will not long after you’ll need service or parts! Where will you get that? This is not good
@Emdrone1 I agree it's not good I have had my Phantom 3 for a very long time now, and batteries are the only thing I have had to replace. The same goes for my other DJI drones. That said, there are a lot of DJI parts floating around. As for service, who knows how that will be impacted. This is strictly an inside move to get DJI banned by some folks that have a major interest in other companies that will benefit from this ban financially. It's too bad that the people making this decision are not better schooled in their own profession to see this move for what it is.
Please provide the necessary info here on the bill, the author, who to contact, etc. so people can do something positive and take action against this please ie make the link(s) obvious
I always thought Google Earth could show you anything you wanted to see. Can you imagine going back to your Parrot Anafi? You have stated the exact truth. Stefanik is a partisan boob for Autel. We need all our first responders to keep their DJI genius machines. By the way I love to fly my DJI drones too. If you write to Stefanik directly by email keep it short or you will be cancelled.
If Skydio made a drone half as good as DJI they would have all the business they wanted. Will my DJI drones just stop flying even if I don’t update it anymore? Will the Feds reimburse me for the DJI drones they make inoperable in this country? This is total BS!
People often say to me, why do you have 9 drones? Well, because I knew this day was possible. I knew the government would probably over reach and over regulate this hobby one day. I also figure that they might grandfather in the old drones vs. an outright BAN. Out of my 9 drones, the last solar storm fried one of my Mini 2 drones. Now I have 8 left. Get the picture? As long as I can fly the drones I already have, I'm hoping I can keep flying for the rest of my life. I'm 59 now so I think the 8 drones I have left will do. If they Ban them all I will take up FPV and build my own but I will not stop flying. You can't clip a bird's wings and expect that bird to live very long. Birds were meant to fly. The sky is their domane. With our drones, we can enjoy and experience what they do. Once you do, there's no going back. Flying becomes a part of you. Worst case scenario, I will spend a ton of money, take lessons and become a full pilot. Either way, I will not stop flying. It is the best part of my life now. I live for this hobby. I wake up every day and the first thought in my mind is where I want to go flying. That's not going to change.
I wanted to share my perspective on the current discussions regarding the potential ban on Chinese drones in the U.S. It seems to me that this ban does not truly reflect a genuine concern from the U.S. government about Chinese drones. Rather, implementing such a ban would eliminate approximately 90% of recreational drones sold in the U.S., significantly reducing the number of drones flown in this country. Additionally, it's worth noting that the momentum for this ban only started to build after SkyDio's exit from the consumer drone market. This timing seems more than coincidental and suggests that other factors may be influencing the narrative. I believe it is crucial for us to address this issue from this perspective in our messaging. Best regards, Lead Coordinator & Remote Pilot Trainer, Syosset Fire Department
Another engineer here. I disagree with you that the DJI drones do not have the technology to transmit data, including photos, videos, and flight paths, back to China. I can update the firmware on my controller and drone wirelessly, so data CAN be transmitted in that manner. However, I DO agree that this data is FAR less risky than the risk posed by the millions of cell phones made in China. Phones which are very often used to capture photos and videos for posting on social media. If the risk from those are acceptable, then the risk from drones should be too. And, as you mentioned, these drones are fun toys, but they are also useful in saving lives. Forcing emergency services to use more expensive drones (meaning fewer drones) with less capabilities will cost lives. This is nothing more than dirty politics.
I am a fan of Autel drones, but I do not understand the hand-wringing, hyperventilating, and lunacy over DJI drones. One of the commenters below sums of the matter clearly: the USA has become a Gong Show.
Thanks for the post and unfortunately Autel was just added to the "Entity" list as well so they will probably be next to be banned. It has nothing to do with security and everything to do with eliminating competition in the market so that companies like Skydio and others can sell less capable and more expensive drones to the government. Shameful and politics at its worst.
@@Dronevalley I figured that this is all about eliminating competition. DJI and Autel beat Hell out of Skydio and other drone makers. If you can't beat the market leaders, resort to politics to cancel them.
Great points but I totally disagree about your statement regarding existing drones. They are using National Security as an issue, which I feel is bogus, but with that issue, how are they ever going to let all the existing drones keep flying if National Security is the issue?
Having worked in counter-intel (35L) in the Army for a number of years, spying is like building a 1000pc puzzle. Each little piece means nothing to you, and it is hard to determine any value to it. However, once you have all of them together, you can start to put them together in the right places, and then the picture can become clear and logical. I know we encountered men and women that would photograph a few (what seemed like) ordinary tourist type pictures, but when several were detained and all the film analyzed all together, they showed a clear potential threat to security of several facilities. We may not recognize any value in the minor details captured on a DJI drone, but when you have many of them active over a segment of time and area, they could possibly provide some useful information that we do not consider important today. When these datapoints are then ran through a sophisticated computer system (We did it by hand mostly, although with a small team) there is no telling what type of picture all those puzzle pieces could present. I think you are right though, and it is just a political game. We are giving up WAY more potential information with our telephones than the drone would provide. This includes current location and past location history, pictures you take, videos you record, and live audio listening.
I am pretty certain that China already has sunsets and clouds, which is by and large all I ever photograph. If they can glean any useful data vs the USA with photos of sunsets, by god I hope they find it. National security is your job not mine. ALL I care about is continuing to video and photograph sunsets and rivers.
Thanks for the post but you have to remember that DJI is the ONLY company that has purposely (and voluntarily) included Geofencing in every drone they've released. This prevents them from flying into sensitive areas and really eliminates the chances of them capturing any important information. Even without these limits, if someone were to fly over a sensitive area, they would have to record the footage and then upload it themselves. Nothing is automatic with the drone and most pilots are horrible at even recording good photos or videos. As I mentioned a drone would be the very last tech anyone would use to spy. I appreciate your comments and support.
Thanks for the post and whats really interesting is that the drones that are already released from DJI will become even more expensive if this ban passes because they will be the only ones able to still fly using the approved FCC bandwidth. Newer drones won't be approved after the ban so the older drones should become more valuable.
Just google your state senator, and when it goes back to the house, your congressman. It will have their email address. Send them a letter in your own words. Don't forget to mention the bills he talked about in your correspondence. I'm doing it. 👍💯
You're right. Because with my (IR) night vision goggles and phone in developer mode with the sensors turned off, someone still wants my face to get scanned but our eyes don't see that. And oh yea MY AVATA DOESNT DO THAT!
Here is the u s. Government In a nutshell.the house of reps is elementary school and middle school,the Senate is high school,corporate America is college and the guy digging a ditch is us.thank you !! This has been a public service announcement!!😊🤠🇺🇸🌭🤗.
Won't affect me. I bought a mini 2 couple years ago and found my phone wasn't compatible. Now have a Samsung A54 5g and can't figure how to fly it. Won't even fly as the way instructed without a phone. I can move the camera, but not activate the motors.
If this Bill were to be passed, when would be the earliest it would be passed? I ask because I'm thinking about possibly buying another DJI drone (I currently own an Air 2S), but I'm waiting to see what new drone models DJI comes out with here in the next few months. Typically, DJI comes out with newer drone models in September (especially follow-up drones to their Air series).
I have a Parrot Anafi. I think they are trying to break the monopoly of DJI. I know it is a really well developed drone, but I think it is just to show they can have the power to ban any company, regardless the profit it generates. My drone was under the weight to require license , but now I need also a permit to fly.
Rick, I think it’s time for Dji to step up!. we are just the consumer that buy products and we have to go to our politics leaders to for us to complain as a consumer!. we all know that Skydio CEOs is the one controlling Congress and lawmakers. I think it’s time for Dji starts do the same thing to make billions of dollars every drones Dji release, and products!. Dji is the giant of the Drones take industry well, the same thing with Apple with their iPhones!..Dji CEOs needs to do the same thing with giving lots of money to the lawmakers!😎👍
I just fly for fun! But what I’m thinking is all the people who got into crop spraying with a dji, if you break something will you be able to get parts!!
Greetings. First, thank you for the thorough explanation of the problem. I am a regular visitor to the USA and as a nature photographer I have flown a dji drone in the past. If the law is passed, will it ban me in the future from bringing and flying the drone in the USA? (Obviously referring to a drone that was created and bought before the passing of the law). Thanks.
Thanks for the post and it was an incredibly hot day out on the deck and I was sweating a bit, which make my gigantic nose a little slippery. I didn't want to redo the clip but will try and control it a little better next time.
It's not really about what it will mean for us..those of us who already own a DJI drone or three as a consumer/user..(hardware already owned is grandfathered in} but what it means to creators who rely on a constant stream of new hardware to create content. Content creators, and drone focused retailers will have to find a new source of revenue.
Thanks for the post and I apologize for the tracking issues. I was using the Pocket 3 and forgot to turn off face tracking. Promise I'll remember next time.
Kinda seen this coming, but all I heard for years by the drone police and keyboard warriors was it was the “Best Buy flyers” and uncertified pilots not following the rules that was bringing down the hobby and “ruining it for the rest of us”. Just remember, it’s almost always about power and politics. Safety is just the byproduct and the sales pitch to get people to buy in to giving up their rights and freedoms a little at a time. If you really research local drone laws/ordinances they tend to be nuisance and privacy based and very little to do with actual safety. Why haven’t we had lobbyists of our own in D.C. this whole time?
Excellent summation sir! Below is what I sent one of my senators the other (Elizabeth Warren) well just forget about, she's useless. Hello Mr. Markey, I would like to address this fallacious HR2864 bill that proposes to ban future DJI drones from entering the US market. The core of the argument is that the company does or will utilize drone imagery to spy on US locales and infrastructure (which is unproven currently) but going with that argument is absolutely ludicrous, the reasons being are: A. There is absolutely no imagery that can be captured by the drones that Chinese spy satellites have not already taken. B. DJI is one of the few companies that impose Geo-fencing on their drones, this means they WILL NOT allow one to fly over critical infrastructure, military zones and commercial flight zones to name a few. This is the antithesis of a company encouraging or utilizing their hardware for spying, wouldn't you say? C. It seems to me that if the CCP wanted to spy on US it would be far, far better to incorporate it into the IOTs (Internet Of Things) as almost every electronic web cam, CCV, laptops, robots are manufactured in China due to other issues with our system that are far beyond the scope of this, nonetheless targeting a specific drone maker wreaks of something else which I will address next. There is no denying the fact that DJI is the market leader in commercial drones, their products are very functional, innovative, and robust, one could call them the Apple of the drone business. This leads me to the most damning of allegations that this bill is nothing but protectivism and this country should be ashamed to implement such a cheat instead of utilizing the free market and making something better. I'm looking at the only real semi-competitive player in the US now and that is Skydio who I have learned has ties to Congresswoman Stefanik. This is crony capitalism and K-street lobbying to its finest. This HR2864 will no doubt be tagged to the tail of a national defense bill that of course we need and that is the point isn't it? attach some lame legislation to benefit a lobbying psuedo-competitive company that initially shows no marked costs to implement, only to be passed on the merits of the main bill. I urge you Senator to not let this happen, scrutinize this bill on its merits and from some of the points I have mentioned. There is a large cottage industry that uses DJI products here in the US not only for recreational use but for commercial such as real estate, home inspections, servicing, modding, etc. All of those will be severely impacted as their access for parts and most of all new innovation will be stymied. Senator I urge you to put forth a declaration that will not impose bans such as this to protect American products that cannot compete the market place. I for one would absolutely love to see an American product dominate due its functionality and innovation NOT by cheating and bogus bans, my God we can do better sir! Thank You,
Well put together, my friend. Remember, to most of us, you're not rambling. I personally want to hear what's on your mind as do the people (prayerfully) in the senate. You may not get the meeting, but a well-spoken video could get to them.
Soo platforms that collect data are perfectly fine, erm Facebook. But flying around with a drone from DJI is not okay? because there is a "risk" that China manages to get video clips of your area? An area which can be seen with the help of Google street view to google earth by the help of Google.
Good video on this subject, The 80-20 rules probably applies here, most people don’t know about theses measures that are in process, (probably 95 -5) , keep up the info clips, the more we know the better, , what is your opinion on Drone Advocacy alliance? letter vs emails??
1:46 - Ask about DJI 舆情分析_规划讨论稿 (Public Opinion Analysis) + 数据平台 (Data Platform) featuring 个人信息交叉匹配 (Personal information cross matching), the program that allegedly never existed!
I appreciate the post but it is this type of fractured claims that creates confusion around the issue. Comparing all of the drone companies now selling drones that were manufactured in China (whole or part), they are by fair the most secure. Just the Geofencing alone prevents the drones from entering any restricted airspace. They collect no user data you don't voluntarily upload and even provide a "secure" mode with local encryption of your flight data. What more could you ask for?
Rick, you had me until you mentioned a couple of Senators who are famous for wanting to ban other rights that I have, namely the 2nd Amendment, Booker and Menendez would both take that right away given the chance. That being said, I will contact both of my Senators. I will also start working on several House members that I know. Thanks for the video.
I appreciate you posting and I'm trying to keep the politics out of it for this one issue and band together as flyers to defeat this. I fly with a lot of other pilots and when we have a drone airborne, I couldn't care less about who they vote for and more about enjoying the day and the flights. I live in NJ and only have 2 Senators to work with so politics aside, I'd work with anyone that can help get this shut down. Please do follow up with your representatives. This resolution is nonsense and not only eliminates our hobby but will also cost these agencies more money to buy these inferior products. Thanks, Rick
I've been flying my DJI Spark illegally for many years, then it became legal with the mini. If it goes back to being illegal, it will suck and will seem very counterproductive but I think a lot of us already had the experience to unfortunately having to fly illegally, no matter how diligent, considerate and willing to jump through hoops we are.
As of now (July '24) US based users can no longer upload flight records (consumer and commercial) to DJI (implemented by DJI), this argument about DJI collecting data definitely becomes nonsensical at this point. The Senators who vote on this bill need to be aware of this change.
The whole situation is a complete joke and money 💰 grab for someone else who's tied to some business person here and they are looking at money potential!! I hope it goes down the toilet cause it's a bunch of crap 💩
Simple answer. Make the DJI api open source. That would allow anyone to build. Connected apps without any secret sauce. If DJI did that it would end the proposed bans.
Thank you for your video I'm in the UK and I think if it happens in the US it might happen here Good luck to you and your people to stop such a stupid law❤
Unfortunately, it's like with tiktok. If u agree tiktok should be banned for collecting and sharing data, the same could be said here, as based on reported location service may request Associated, recorded video from the onboard card.. I'd say, the law needs to force physical separation from the network, which today, as it directly binds to your phone, is not prevented.
"A lot of common sense going on in the house or representatives" seriously? It's all about corporate greed. Most of our problems are due to corporate greed.
Actually it would initially affect any new drones being released by DJI since they couldn't fly in the U.S. without FCC approval. This ban forbids the FCC from issuing any new approvals once approved. They could also extend this to existing approvals and revoke them as well so it's a really big deal for drone fliers.
I'm happy that just maybe reviewers of new drones will stop comparing the product to a DJI model. Like somehow DJI products are the de facto standard that every other drone must be compared to. Maybe it's just me, but I am tired of so many reviews of any flying product will eventually be compared to a DJI product... that costs a lot more. Even a HoverAir flying camera...yup, compared to a DJI drone. Trust me... a Hover X1 is not and was never meant to be a DRONE. It's a camera that can fly preset patterns. Duh. That's it. Yes, it does have a very primitive ability for free flight, but that is not a "sales" feature by any means. Take the Potensic ATOM. It was nearly impossible to find a review that didn't compare every feature to a DJI drone. It was nuts. I think I found one review that never mentioned DJI. Just the ATOM SE on its' own merits. Notice that it isn't DJI that I'm dissing here. They make really good products and you pay dearly for them. Wish they were in my budget. No, my disgust has been with the influencers that trash other products because they don't do everything a DJI can do. Do they pay them to do that ??
You have Google Earth where you can go anywhere you want and see what you want. You can catch an airplane, fly to the US as a tourist, travel around the country and take all the pictures you want. We have let uncontrolled illegals coming into the US from our Southern Border and no one seem to give a hoot. I don't know who is behind this but they should have more things to worry about than us enjoying our hobby. I always said the drone users of American need an organization to represent them in congress such as other groups do. One of those groups is the ARRL American Radio Relay League where ham radio operators and have a voice in their hobby.
Rick....I know you get into the nitty gritty and nerdy details and i need your confirmation on something....so I've heard that if that bill HR2864 passes....it will not only affect drones from DJI but any other product that uses the 2.4Ghz/5.8Ghz like bluetooth devices such has the dji mics 1 & 2, the OM gimbals, the action series and pocket series cameras, even up to the Ronin gimbals....practically anything with a wifi/Bluetooth transmission capability won't work. Is this true?
Yep, the ban is for anything that DJI submits to the FCC for approval and that includes their other gear as well that uses Wifi. That's what makes this so crazy. If you think of all the other gear on the market from other companies that use the Wifi band, it's literally millions of products. Why single out DJI unless you're trying to tip the scales of competition.
