@@MarkusFinholtthey. Have accurate dynamic range data. But they are purposely over hyping things. Because they are not just telling you the useable dynamic range
Your measurement oriented reviews are one of a kind. You explain this esoteric stuff very clearly, even for a less than expert. I’m surprised you haven’t reviewed Sony’s new A7 with true global shutter. I’m really looking forward to that review. A review of the Hasselblad’s X2D, although stills only, would be interesting due to it’s gaining reputation for dynamic range and ultra-calibrated color accuracy, which nobody else measures as well as you do. Thanks for all your great work! Cheers!
Well, it was A9III with global shutter, not A7. And as mentioned above, it's not released yet. And won't be for few more months. All those reviews around web were made on pre-production cameras. I don't think that any was send, all were given to reviewers for some time at press conferences.
I was super surprised when I first got to play around with the 4D 6k, not just because it was so easy to use and you can get dolly-like shots with minimal effort, but it almost looked like the camera was creating light out if nowhere while looking at a city scape at night. Love it
Always appreciate the work you put into these objective tests. Kudos. I'd like to humbly suggest that you add testing actual resolving power (lpp detail, not pixels) to your test suite. A higher sensor resolution does not always equal more real detail (For example the 8K Sony A1 resolves more real detail than the Ursa Mini 12K) so measurements from an actual resolution chart would be very helpful. To keep a level playing field, you could always use the same super sharp EF lens (Sigma cine primes are sharper than any sensor can resolve) adapted to every other mount.
It's insane that we are still NOWHERE NEAR the dynamic range or equivalent ISO of the human eye lol. I believe it's something like 20 stops of range, which is massive. The amount of optics processing that our eyes do is incredible when you really think about it.
Your eyes basically auto expose for whatever they're looking at though, so it can cheat a bit to pump up the imatest score. Alexa 35 probably has enough dynamic range for it to not be a complaint though
@@spdcrzy The Alexa 35 has a couple extra stops over the LF, it's at a point where flaring in your lenses is likely to be the bottleneck before the sensor, it's kinda crazy
the data is sent to the brain for instant processing. It is Iike taking an image and sending it to lightroom for instant processing, labelling and cataloguing so it can be retrieved and compared to other images when needed. and this millions of times every second.
Finally, a camera company has twigged that it’s probably a good idea to get Gerald to check out your new product *before* releasing it. About bloody time! 😂
this is a camera that always intrigued me as I always fly on a gimbal, but won't work for 20% of my work, where I use a 70-200 on a gimbal or a remotely controlled zoom lens on a camera car :C guess I should keep the FX3s
I'm curious about the difference in dynamic range between ProRes HQ and RAW, even though ProRes doesnt compress as bad as avi or mp4 it still would loose some data. But overall the highlight roll off and rolling shutter have been improved.
There is none. The D-LOG curve contains all of the dynamic range the sensor can capture, no matter the codec. There may be reasons to shoot raw, DR is not one of them.
This is what I love about your channel man. When I use cameras I can see the difference and figure out what they’re doing.. but it’s like a caveman starting fire. And then I watch your video on the same camera and it’s like a flying car passing over my fire 😂. Great video 🪶⚡️🤘🏽
Hello Gerald. Regarding putting the 8k footage on a 4k timeline. What algorithm are you using to do the downscaling? How much does that affect the resulting calculated Dynamic Range? Thanks!
Hey Gerald, thanks for doing this, fantastic video. My main complaint with the 6k version when I used it on a couple projects was the forced aspect ratio and crop changes with frame rate. i.e., going from 4k/24p to 4k/120p required either a switch from 16:9 to 2.4:1 and/or a switch from full-frame to S35 crop. It made it a nightmare for composing shots and it was a nightmare for my editor. Have they changed that for this new 8K iteration? It appears you can shoot basically any combination of resolution and frame rate at any aspect and full frame?
I would love this camera for the 4th axis gimbal (my ninja walking is rubbish) and I really don't care about 8K, or even 6K - most corporate clients don't want to deal with those file sizes either. It would be good if they just produced a 4-axis gimbal you could put a camera on yourself - that would definitely get my interest!
Some of your videos fly over my radar but you do it with intelligent class so I keep coming back: compare that to sitting down and studying for a part 107 test. I’d much rather watch your videos and skip having commercial drone footage and put my camera on a long pole!😂
Subject idea: How do a pair of cameras compliment each other? So like many serious weekend photographers or maybe pros we/you are covering a range of capability for fun or work. Which pair of cameras keeps you light and capable in producing fun or professional content with ease and quality? Big question yes, but in the end, we all want to have fun. You know many of us will get two camera bodies, share your ideas. Consider getting up and going to location and back to uploading a fun video with photos or slide show.
Forgive me if you mentioned this... I don't remember if you might have but, Would any of these specifications been different with other brand lens choices?
I always wanted the DJI Ronin ever since your body Josh Yeo did a review. Being retired NOT HAPPENING. But still think it a very neat product. How big a lens can you put on that gimbal? my Tamron 35-150 is heavy!
Can someone confirm! Is it impossible to turn off Dynamic Range Expansion when in 4K downsample? I would have been mainly interested in that mode - 4K downsample in 24fps with the standard (fast) readout.
I need help: The Ronin 4D has been released 2 years ago, both a 4D 6K and a 4D 8K version. Why is there all this buzz about a new 4D 8K camera? I don't understand.
I loved it when I saw they had released the adapter to use our Sony lenses on the gimbal .. if only it was digital and you could control the aperture and AF.. the 24 1.4 GM would be the kill upgrade on the inspire 3.. (as if lowlight wasn’t amazing already at 2.8 )
As someone who works next to the DP on set and has used this camera many times on feature films in 2022...it's not good at all. For a myriad of reasons...but for RU-vidrs like Gerald..it's a perfect camera.
I had the 6K version and sold it. I shoot wedding and a lot of indoor events. One thing I kept running into was the flickering. Great concept but I feel like it’s not complete yet.
There's a setting to do 180 degree or 179 degree along with a couple other settings to combat flickering. Or you could get the OLPF filter installed as well if shooting a lot of screens.
Its an interesting camera to be sure. Flexibility is always going to be desired. I do find it interesting that DJI never lets you disable noise reduction. Several other manufacturers as well. So, we never actually get to find out what the sensor is truly capable of, just close. -2 is not off. You always have to ask why. A guess? The sensor is noisiser than most people would accept with limited knowledge about how cameras actually work. NR is part of a signal chain. Doesn’t matter if its in pre or post. Its almost always there. People assume that a Sony sensor is cleaner than brand X. But the Sony would be running NR in camera and brand X has none in camera. Its a disconnect people have. I honestly wish all manufacturers would allow NR to be disabled. But, its all about marketing.
I think because pure data noise is really noisy. Every manufacturer have to code algorithm to intepret the data coming from sensor in the first place. Even simpler example is raw photo, it's not really rawest form, just base manufacturer intepretation before they apply some more polishing to jpeg/heif. You don't want people returning the product because they mistook noise with artifacts I'd say the analogy is like frozen food or ready made sauce rather than just the ingredients in the initial form with skin, dirt, and all imperfection still intacts.
@@trym2121 Gopro lets you turn the noise reduction completely off, and it's actually useable without noise reduction as long as its exposed to the right.
Shooting ProRes RAW on these newer cameras is the only way I've seen to completely bypass noise reduction. I own an S5 and S5iiX, shooting BRAW, the BMVA applies a very light spatial denoise pass to the image. ProRes RAW, absolutely no noise. I still much prefer a perfectly untouched image as the sensor's pure detail is captured. Expose it high, bring it down in post, noise looks really pleasing anyways if you use the sensor properly. Cameras like Fuji have spatial chroma NR cranked to an INSANE level, if you ever get some F-log footage, look at the Cr and Cb channels, blurred into an oil painting. Just give us the option to disable it.
@@alihammad6318 Interesting point. Didn’t I see Gerald set the noise reduction at -2 on proresraw? And if so, that would mean they are baking in noise reduction?
@@ScottBalkum if it's true raw, like prores RAW, the signal is taken straight from the sensor in its raw Bayer pattern and dumped. The computer debayers and does all the processing. Which means it gets to skip all the processing. I don't have any experience with these DJI cameras so I cannot say anything on that but likely have some sort of spatial denoise filter running, they just turn it down. Pure, completely unprocessed sensor data is quite noisy even with good light but looks the best imo.
It's amazing that the Sony zv e 1 and a7s iii can get 12.9 usable dynamic range stops with better rolling shutter. To match the extra 8k resolution you can just use the Gigapixel AI to upscale to 8k. What do you say Gerald?😅
Upscaling is never the same as actually capturing more detail in the first place. The better comparison is the A1, which matches the readout speed and resolution of the X9 8k while having the same or slightly better DR than the A7S III/FX3.
@@paulkunal5586 Not if you're just shooting in 8k and not doing anything in post with it. The main reason to shoot high resolutions like 6k and 8k is the ability to nearly losslessly reframe and digitally stabilize footage for 2k and 4k delivery.
Great Video. Curious, Why did a multi million dollar company need to hire a youtuber do test their sensor? I feel like they would have their own guys to do that? No disrespect, just curious.