DJM-S11 SPECIAL EDITION - In Depth Demonstration 

Thanks! I love it as well.

Same with that throwback livery! It made me happy that I held onto my 909 as a piece of history.

Thanks Cleveland!

I totally get it. And it doesn't stop once you get one.

Congrats on your purchase!

So I read this before watching the video. If this does what I think you just said I'm super pumped about getting mine in ! Game Changer !

Unfortunately back in 2015 when the S9 came out, they were not thinking about putting those on mixers

We’ll find out together when it is officially announced!

I covered rekordbox in this video

No problem!

thanks Steve!

You can save and recall your effects settings in one of the 4 effects banks. Easiest way to try this is using two computers with different effect settings.

The lack of stretching waveform with DVS is not a bug. It is what is capable between different executions of playback. I have a solution on the bottom of this response, but first let me explain why waveforms do not stretch in DVS. The reason HID/MIDI devices are capable of waveform stretching, and DVS does not is how each protocol prioritizes a function to determine it’s tempo. In HID or MIDI, the tempo is determined by the digital input of the pitch slider. It is not prioritized by the rotation of the platter. Therefore, no matter how you manipulate the platter, the software knows what the tempo is supposed to be, based on the position of the tempo slider. In DVS, the tempo AND the scratch input is determined by the rotation of the platter, based on the pitch of the timecode signal. Because of this, it is always correcting in real time. If you look at the tempo value when you’re in DVS, you can often see it jumping around (128.1, then 128.2, then 128.1 again). It also takes a moment to correct when you change the tempo drastically. The software takes a few seconds to determine the input when there is a change in rotational speed. If waveform stretching were to be applied to DVS, the stretching would constantly be resizing itself. And sometimes, the software can struggle deciding if you are scratching, or playing. This is why you sometimes get weird artifacts when you have keylock on, specifically Pitch n Time DJ. This is the sound you hear when you hear the key jumping in and out keylock when scratching with PItch n Time on. With the exception of the standard Serato time stretch algorithm (disabling Pitch n Time), every DJ software has this issue with DVS and keylock. You can hear this in rekordbox, Traktor, Virtual DJ, and Algoriddim DJ. Because of the constant and on-going correction of the tempo reading, and the lag that happens when large tempo changes happen, waveform stretching would result in a poor experience when using it with DVS. Therefore, the only time it makes sense to use is with any device that works in MIDI or HID, where the tempo value of the slider is the priority for the tempo. Basically any device that is set to INT in Serato (and REL or ABS which are DVS modes). There is one exception though. If you really want stretched waveforms in DVS, you can get this instantly by enabling Beat Sync (yes the sync button). By enabling sync, this will remap the rotation to match the song that is playing, no matter what the rotational speed is set to. Because of this, the waveform stretching can be matched between two tracks. If you wish to match your waveforms in DVS, simply use the sync button.

@@priyonjoni Thanks for this in depth information - it's the first time I've seen this explained and it makes sense. I always wondered why DVS had different characteristics to Midi. While I didn't know the limitations of DVS I was drawn to the Rane Twelves because I thought it would allow me to have both options. However, it seems that the midi option isn't availble with the S11. Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly but I don't have phonos plugged in so am not recieving a DVS signal. The Rane Twelves are plugged in via USB and set to USB Serato. In Serato software GUI the setting is INT. Yet still the waveforms will not stretch (the transients line up but not the waveforms). If I press SYNC with this setup, as you suggest, still the waveforms do not line up. Even though I am not using DVS and no timecode signal is being sent to the mixer, Serato seems to think it is activated and from what I can tell there is no way to turn off DVS in Serato or the S11. The S11 or Rane 12 is automatically unlocking DVS when I plug it in yet if I go into Serato and to Expansions DVS is not shown as an option to deactivate. However, on the Serato settings (cog) screen I can see the DVS calibration. So the bug is not that DVS doesn't allow waveform stretching but that you can't turn it off and use the Rane 12 as a straight Midi controller.

Your decks run on HID (via USB) therefore it runs INT. The reason DVS scopes show up is because you are in fact still using a DJM-S11 which unlocks the DVS automatically. Also note, the MK2 version of your deck has a DVS output. Some turntablist do not like the sound quality and behavior of HID.

For instance @Pri yon Joni, you have 2 rows in your Auto Loop demo where the parameter button changes the loop lengths, and the bottom looked like it controlled the Beat Jumps. But I do not have nor can find how to get the bottom row there, so I can't for the life of me figure out how to get Beat Jump with Serato Pro DJ. Any ideas anyone???

SPOILER, go into serato DJ pro and enable "Beat jump controls".

Mix FX in VDJ does not behave the same way Smooth Echo does. Mix FX engages as you open the crossfader. Smooth Echo only engages when you cut the crossfader. Mix FX engages when the crossfader is moved. I assume it’s meant to be used by folks who use the crossfader to mix and doesn’t have a sharp cut setting. The intensity of the FX increases as you move the crossfader towards the other track. The DDJ-SB and DDJ-SB2’s Filter Fade is similar to when Mix FX is set to Filter. The SB was released in November of 2013 and VDJ8 came out in May of 2014. Smooth Echo is totally different. It is not triggered by opening the crossfader. It’s triggered by closing it. That means it engages once the crossfader is set to the off position on a given deck, and only echos a small duration of the bit. It’s meant to be use when the crossfader is set to a sharp curve. The echo does not engage when the crossfader is in the middle. Furthermore, the echo can be delayed with a controller so that you have to leave the crossfader open for a set beat duration, in order for it to engage when you close. This allows the user to use the cut with the crossfader as normal without echo, then leave the fader open for the specified beat duration prior to a cut to engage it. This way, the echo doesn’t automatically come on when you’re scratching. It simulated when a person triggers the echo with a foot pedal. Smooth Echo can also be set for other triggers, including Hot Cue, Gate Cue, Channel Faders, and Load button. And because Smooth Echo is a hardware based effect built into the S11, it can be used even when not using DJ software with the mixer. The BPM is locked to the Auto BPM reader of the mixer, and can be used when playing with real vinyl or with CDJs in standalone.

Waveforms on the DJM-S11 will only show if you are using Serato or rekordbox.

Yes

In HID mode, the sync function will work. In DVS, the sync will only work if you click it on Serato’s GUI.

@@priyonjoni Perfect, that's what I was hoping for.

Sorry to hear. Have you contacted Pioneer DJ support? Here is the link www.pioneerdj.com/en/support/contact/ They are really good at getting back.

Thank you

It's not actually. It's based on how hot cues were when they first were invented for the CDJ-1000. Back then, hot cues could jump between different songs on a CD. That's how scratch bank works. It allows you to jump not only to different songs, but specific cue points of each of those songs.

@@priyonjoni gonna use it for rekordbox only since I don’t want to add another software - looks like there is still pretty good performance stuff for rekordbox…

Yes. You can use the transport PAD mode to Cue, Play, Key Lock, Beat Sync, and beatmatch manual with the tempo controls.

No. It swaps the audio

Just swap what ever deck u want to scratch on over to deck 3 or 4, then use that deck to scratch!

Sorry to hear about your issue, but let's see if it's something simple first. Have you done the following? 1. Select the FX you want to use (one of the blue buttons that say, Echo, Reverb, Flanger) 2. Set the Level/Depth knob (in the middle between the paddles) to 12 o'clock 3. Set the FX paddle to the on position on the channel you want to affect with the FX

@@priyonjoni I’ve done it all. And still nothing. The only way I can make it work is by resetting the mixer to factory setting and then the beat fx work but not the software fxs. But if I turn off the mixer, the fxs don’t work anymore.

@@Rtist1929 The unit should still be exchangeable. Return it to the store you got it from and exchange it for a new one.

November 2020

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